Fallon, Mark - short clip - ConflictingInterrogationTechniques
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| - | So we thought we'd bring these folks in to the | 0:00 |
| interrogation rooms, but it just, it failed miserably. | 0:03 | |
| Because their training, their experience was so different | 0:06 | |
| that they weren't able to work with with the CICF | 0:09 | |
| and the FBI agents effectively. | 0:12 | |
| And, and so we had to just break it apart. | 0:15 | |
| Their training was different. | 0:17 | |
| They at the time and they still | 0:19 | |
| do quite a bit of training in things called pride up | 0:21 | |
| and ego down | 0:25 | |
| and ego down harsh | 0:27 | |
| where their training had told them. | 0:30 | |
| Interviewer | Can you give us an example | 0:34 |
| of what that means? | 0:34 | |
| - | That is trying to disparage someone | 0:35 |
| so their ego is depleted or yelling at them | 0:37 | |
| or trying to make them feel bad. | 0:39 | |
| And based on the career that I've had, | 0:42 | |
| and that my colleagues have had, we understand | 0:47 | |
| that's not a good approach | 0:49 | |
| not to even mention what that would do to your memory. | 0:52 | |
| If you're looking to extract information, | 0:54 | |
| to elicit intelligence from individuals, | 0:56 | |
| you want someone who's in a relaxed state | 0:58 | |
| who can recall and remember things | 1:00 | |
| because a lot of these folks were cooperating. | 1:01 | |
| A lot of these folks wanted to give us information. | 1:04 | |
| A lot of times, our own tactics | 1:06 | |
| of what prevented them from getting intelligence. | 1:08 | |
| So those techniques and there's been | 1:11 | |
| a lot of research subsequent to that. | 1:14 | |
| And even surveys of some | 1:16 | |
| of these folks who have that training in the field | 1:17 | |
| who now say they all revert back | 1:20 | |
| to rapport building approaches, because even | 1:22 | |
| though they were trained in it, when they get to the field | 1:24 | |
| they found they just weren't effective. | 1:26 | |
| It was quite difficult. | 1:28 | |
| We would make progress with a detainee | 1:29 | |
| at some point and find that the JTF folks went | 1:31 | |
| in the middle of the night and it started to, you know | 1:35 | |
| interrogating them very harshly. | 1:38 | |
| And it would, it would disrupt the progress we made | 1:40 | |
| and we'd have to rehabilitate it and things like that. | 1:42 |
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