Qasem, Abubakir - short clip - spy

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	(speaking in foreign language)	0:00
Translator	There's something that he has never spoken	0:06
	to anybody, not to attorneys,	0:08
	he say even attorneys don't even know this,	0:11
	not to any reporters,	0:14
	this is something that he kept to himself,	0:16
	never really revealed anywhere	0:19
	but since your project is a witness	0:20
	to Guantanamo, related	0:23
	everything that people gone through	0:24
	and their experience in Guantanamo, he thinks	0:27
	that this is the time	0:30
	that he should speak out about this.	0:31
	About two years after he was brought	0:35
	to Guantanamo, one time some people came	0:37
	and to speak to him.	0:43
	They brought this woman, a Mongolian.	0:45
	She said she's Mongolian. She spoke Chinese.	0:49
	And she tried to, they came in	0:53
	without translator first,	0:54
	they tried to talk to him	0:56
	in Chinese and he understood what she was saying.	0:57
	She said that they represent themselves	1:01
	as from the intelligence service	1:04
	from United States	1:07
	and she was trying to recruit him	1:08
	to become informer or spy	1:11
	for United States and said things like,	1:14
	if you agree to work for us,	1:18
	we'll give you passport,	1:19
	we'll send you back to Afghanistan	1:22
	and you go there and you	1:24
	collect information for us	1:26
	and you work for us as informer.	1:28
	And so he understood some of them, but he said,	1:31
	"My Chinese is not good, I forgot Chinese	1:36
	and the only Chinese I know is related	1:42
	to trade and the little things	1:45
	but I don't understand the political things,	1:50
	so if you want to speak to me,	1:52
	bring a translator."	1:54
	And then when she said that to the other people	1:55
	somebody else came and says,	2:02
	"Oh, if she speaks slowly	2:03
	I think you will understand.	2:05
	We try not to use translator,	2:06
	can you try to communicate	2:08
	in Chinese, without using translator?"	2:09
	He says, "No, I don't understand	2:12
	what she's saying, I'm not getting it."	2:14
	Then after few months,	2:16
	she came back with a translator	2:18
	and basically that's what she was asking	2:20
	them do, is asking them to work as a spy.	2:23
	And he says, "No, I'm not interested	2:29
	in anything like that."	2:30
	And then she made the threats,	2:34
	she says, "Either your work for us	2:36
	or we are going to send you back to China."	2:37
	And he says, "Fine. If you have said this	2:42
	to me two years ago, I would be afraid.	2:44
	But if you are telling me now,	2:46
	I'm not afraid of it,	2:48
	If you sent me back to China,	2:50
	they will execute me and I will become a hero	2:52
	in front of my people.	2:54
	And if you are doing this to threaten me	2:57
	or if you are sending me back	3:02
	because I didn't agree	3:04
	to be a spy for your country,	3:06
	sending me back to China	3:08
	make your country look really bad	3:10
	in front of international communities.	3:12
	After you kept me here for two years, knowing	3:16
	that I'm innocent,	3:18
	announcing to the world that I'm innocent	3:19
	and then you are going to send me back to China	3:21
	and the whole world will know	3:24
	what United States is all about,	3:26
	so send me back right now."	3:28
-	(speaking foreign language).	3:29

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Title:

Qasem, Abubakir - short clip - spy

Date:

August 4, 2009

Interviewer:

Honigsberg, Peter Jan

Interviewee:

Qasem, Abubakir

Role:

Detainee

Description:

This interview may include descriptions of violence.
Detainee Number US9CH-000283DP
Abubakir Qasem, male, age 40, a Uyghur from the Xinjiang autonomous region, was detained in Guantanamo from June 8, 2002 until May 5, 2006, when he was released to Albania.
Description was provided by Witness to Guantanamo.

Subject:

Format:

oral histories

Language:

Uighur; Uyghur

Extent:

2:15:45

Digital Collection:

Witness to Guantanamo

Source Collection:

Witness to Guantanamo Video Collection, 2009-2017

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