Gutierrez, Gitanjali - short clip - DemandingAccessToHerClient
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- | My strongest memory of that week | 0:00 |
is just being enraged the whole week. | 0:02 | |
I was just furious, and with him, | 0:05 | |
because he was Saudi I actually wore | 0:07 | |
sort of all long black clothing and a hijab. | 0:10 | |
I didn't cover my face, but I covered my hair. | 0:13 | |
And so we | 0:16 | |
finally won the argument with the SJA, | 0:20 | |
or he finally agreed | 0:24 | |
that we would all go in this room together. | 0:25 | |
So we walked through. | 0:27 | |
I'm furious and just glaring at everyone, | 0:31 | |
all of the guards, all of the MPs. | 0:35 | |
They are all a little unnerved by my dress. | 0:37 | |
And when I wear that clothing it's unclear | 0:43 | |
what ethnicity I am, | 0:47 | |
and they probably, it was, | 0:49 | |
I was in a new camp I'd never been in before. | 0:51 | |
They probably all thought | 0:53 | |
that I was a Muslim woman attorney. | 0:54 | |
So they were very unnerved. | 0:58 | |
They didn't know how to search me. | 1:00 | |
They, | 1:02 | |
and where we were, other men who were in the cells | 1:04 | |
could look out into the central area, | 1:08 | |
and so then they also saw a woman wearing a hijab, | 1:10 | |
and that just, it was just, | 1:14 | |
that was a good thing for them. | 1:16 | |
And so they had sort of the opposite reaction of the guards. | 1:18 | |
So the door opens and Mohammed is kind of just | 1:22 | |
crouched in on himself in the corner chair, | 1:25 | |
not looking at any of us, | 1:29 | |
probably expecting a tall white man, | 1:31 | |
an American lawyer to come in, | 1:34 | |
because at that point a lot of lawyers had gone out in 2005. | 1:35 | |
So there was, at this point, | 1:38 | |
an impression of what an American lawyer was, | 1:40 | |
and it wasn't the impression that I made | 1:42 | |
when I walked in a room. | 1:44 | |
So, he's kinda crouched in there, | 1:46 | |
and this big SJ, the big SJA, | 1:47 | |
the staff judge advocate, opens this door, | 1:51 | |
and we're all hulking there. | 1:54 | |
He's hulking first. | 1:56 | |
My interpreter, who's of Arab descent, is standing there, | 1:57 | |
and I'm standing there, | 2:00 | |
and the SJA opens his mouth first, and I was furious. | 2:01 | |
So he says, they all call him 0632, Mohammed. | 2:08 | |
They don't, they don't- | 2:11 | |
- | That's it. | 2:12 |
- | There's no names. | |
They call them by their numbers. | 2:13 | |
They never know the guy's names. | 2:14 | |
So he says, "Do you wanna meet with their lawyer?" | 2:16 | |
And Mohammed grunts or just nods his head or something. | 2:19 | |
And the SJA, I've forgotten exactly what he said, | 2:23 | |
but he said something again to give Mohammed | 2:27 | |
the opportunity to say no or get out, | 2:29 | |
or maybe he was asking for a more verbal confirmation. | 2:32 | |
And I just snapped at him and said, | 2:35 | |
"He said, it's fine, get out." | 2:38 | |
And there's MPs behind us. | 2:39 | |
There's just a whole group of people hulking over Mohammed. | 2:41 | |
So they all shove out finally. | 2:45 | |
And we sit down. | 2:48 | |
My interpreter faces Mr. al-Qahtani directly. | 2:51 | |
And I sit with my back to Mr. al-Qahtani, | 2:55 | |
next to my interpreter, | 2:58 | |
because I knew of the sexual humiliation | 3:00 | |
and female interrogators that had been involved | 3:04 | |
in his treatment in Guantanamo. | 3:07 | |
And I just wanted to... | 3:10 | |
I had a lot of time, | 3:12 | |
I had the whole week with him, | 3:14 | |
and I didn't wanna be in his face | 3:15 | |
and push things immediately. | 3:17 |
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