Gutierrez, Gitanjali - short clip - DemandingAccessToHerClient
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| - | My strongest memory of that week | 0:00 |
| is just being enraged the whole week. | 0:02 | |
| I was just furious, and with him, | 0:05 | |
| because he was Saudi I actually wore | 0:07 | |
| sort of all long black clothing and a hijab. | 0:10 | |
| I didn't cover my face, but I covered my hair. | 0:13 | |
| And so we | 0:16 | |
| finally won the argument with the SJA, | 0:20 | |
| or he finally agreed | 0:24 | |
| that we would all go in this room together. | 0:25 | |
| So we walked through. | 0:27 | |
| I'm furious and just glaring at everyone, | 0:31 | |
| all of the guards, all of the MPs. | 0:35 | |
| They are all a little unnerved by my dress. | 0:37 | |
| And when I wear that clothing it's unclear | 0:43 | |
| what ethnicity I am, | 0:47 | |
| and they probably, it was, | 0:49 | |
| I was in a new camp I'd never been in before. | 0:51 | |
| They probably all thought | 0:53 | |
| that I was a Muslim woman attorney. | 0:54 | |
| So they were very unnerved. | 0:58 | |
| They didn't know how to search me. | 1:00 | |
| They, | 1:02 | |
| and where we were, other men who were in the cells | 1:04 | |
| could look out into the central area, | 1:08 | |
| and so then they also saw a woman wearing a hijab, | 1:10 | |
| and that just, it was just, | 1:14 | |
| that was a good thing for them. | 1:16 | |
| And so they had sort of the opposite reaction of the guards. | 1:18 | |
| So the door opens and Mohammed is kind of just | 1:22 | |
| crouched in on himself in the corner chair, | 1:25 | |
| not looking at any of us, | 1:29 | |
| probably expecting a tall white man, | 1:31 | |
| an American lawyer to come in, | 1:34 | |
| because at that point a lot of lawyers had gone out in 2005. | 1:35 | |
| So there was, at this point, | 1:38 | |
| an impression of what an American lawyer was, | 1:40 | |
| and it wasn't the impression that I made | 1:42 | |
| when I walked in a room. | 1:44 | |
| So, he's kinda crouched in there, | 1:46 | |
| and this big SJ, the big SJA, | 1:47 | |
| the staff judge advocate, opens this door, | 1:51 | |
| and we're all hulking there. | 1:54 | |
| He's hulking first. | 1:56 | |
| My interpreter, who's of Arab descent, is standing there, | 1:57 | |
| and I'm standing there, | 2:00 | |
| and the SJA opens his mouth first, and I was furious. | 2:01 | |
| So he says, they all call him 0632, Mohammed. | 2:08 | |
| They don't, they don't- | 2:11 | |
| - | That's it. | 2:12 |
| - | There's no names. | |
| They call them by their numbers. | 2:13 | |
| They never know the guy's names. | 2:14 | |
| So he says, "Do you wanna meet with their lawyer?" | 2:16 | |
| And Mohammed grunts or just nods his head or something. | 2:19 | |
| And the SJA, I've forgotten exactly what he said, | 2:23 | |
| but he said something again to give Mohammed | 2:27 | |
| the opportunity to say no or get out, | 2:29 | |
| or maybe he was asking for a more verbal confirmation. | 2:32 | |
| And I just snapped at him and said, | 2:35 | |
| "He said, it's fine, get out." | 2:38 | |
| And there's MPs behind us. | 2:39 | |
| There's just a whole group of people hulking over Mohammed. | 2:41 | |
| So they all shove out finally. | 2:45 | |
| And we sit down. | 2:48 | |
| My interpreter faces Mr. al-Qahtani directly. | 2:51 | |
| And I sit with my back to Mr. al-Qahtani, | 2:55 | |
| next to my interpreter, | 2:58 | |
| because I knew of the sexual humiliation | 3:00 | |
| and female interrogators that had been involved | 3:04 | |
| in his treatment in Guantanamo. | 3:07 | |
| And I just wanted to... | 3:10 | |
| I had a lot of time, | 3:12 | |
| I had the whole week with him, | 3:14 | |
| and I didn't wanna be in his face | 3:15 | |
| and push things immediately. | 3:17 |
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