Guter, Donald - short clip - ConfrontingJimHaynesAbouttheLackofInformation
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| - | At the time, and as I look back, | 0:00 |
| there was a certain point where I said, | 0:05 | |
| "Boy, we're really being marginalized here." | 0:07 | |
| In terms of the... | 0:09 | |
| Interviewer | Who's we? | 0:10 |
| - | The Navy JAG, the Army JAG, the Air Force JAG, I mean, | 0:11 |
| we usually met with the General Counsel | 0:15 | |
| on a fairly frequent basis, I want to say monthly. | 0:22 | |
| We had a particular meeting with him | 0:27 | |
| where we were still all gathered. | 0:29 | |
| We'd meet over lunch. | 0:31 | |
| The JAGs, the Army, Navy, Air Force JAG, Commandants lawyer, | 0:36 | |
| we all met outside the room. | 0:40 | |
| And at that point, I don't want to jump so far ahead, | 0:42 | |
| but discussions had started about commissions, | 0:45 | |
| you know, and what we would do. | 0:50 | |
| And I remember the Army JAG, Tom Romig, saying, | 0:52 | |
| "We need more information. | 0:58 | |
| I mean, we're kind of operating in a vacuum here." | 1:01 | |
| And I said, "Yeah, my guys are saying the same thing. | 1:03 | |
| I mean, they're saying, | 1:05 | |
| 'What am I supposed to be working on?' | 1:06 | |
| And I'm saying I'm not sure. | 1:07 | |
| Keep doing research, you know, research commissions, | 1:10 | |
| you know, write down some opinions." | 1:13 | |
| He said, "Well, we need more information." | 1:17 | |
| And I said, "I'll give it a shot." | 1:18 | |
| So we went into this lunch, | 1:21 | |
| and this is another, it's a vignette, but I remember it. | 1:24 | |
| Jim went around the room, | 1:28 | |
| and we all, you know, gave him reports. | 1:29 | |
| - | Jim Haynes. | 1:31 |
| - | Jim Haynes, | |
| and we went around the room, | 1:33 | |
| and we just gave him, you know, our little reports | 1:33 | |
| of what was going on in our world, | 1:35 | |
| nothing really significant. | 1:36 | |
| And so we had a little talk about the commissions, | 1:39 | |
| and we sat wherever we wanted at these things, | 1:42 | |
| but this meeting, I just happened | 1:46 | |
| to be sitting right across the table from him. | 1:47 | |
| I said, "Jim, are we on the team or not? | 1:49 | |
| I mean, we need more information." | 1:54 | |
| And this collegial meeting turned at that point. | 1:56 | |
| He just looked at me and he said, "No you don't." | 1:58 | |
| I said, "Okay, we don't." | 2:02 | |
| So we walked out afterwards, | 2:04 | |
| and as guys'll do, you know, | 2:05 | |
| and they kind of slapped me on the back, | 2:08 | |
| and I said, "I gave it a shot. | 2:09 | |
| I mean, we're only gonna get the information | 2:11 | |
| they want to give us." | 2:14 |
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