Urbina, Ricardo - short clip - FindingOrderOutofChaos
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- | Our job was to try to find order out of chaos. | 0:00 |
And I think the judges did a excellent job. | 0:05 | |
The judges with who I worked on the US District Court | 0:10 | |
were very dedicated, very serious. | 0:14 | |
And even if we had, some of us had, | 0:17 | |
kind of different ideologies, everybody was on the same page | 0:20 | |
about giving the detainees | 0:23 | |
a fair process to look to, | 0:26 | |
and giving the world, for that matter, | 0:30 | |
a glimpse of how fair, this is my personal opinion, | 0:32 | |
how fair the American System of Justice was, | 0:36 | |
and could be. | 0:41 | |
Interviewer | Do you feel that the US, | 0:43 |
the government pushed back | 0:44 | |
and that's part of the interference | 0:47 | |
that's part of what created so many problems? | 0:49 | |
- | There was a lot of pushback. | 0:51 |
The Bush administration and even, as you know, | 0:56 | |
in Kiyemba, the Obama administration, | 0:59 | |
viewed this as a very different set of circumstances, | 1:03 | |
no precedent having been established | 1:07 | |
in the history of our country. | 1:10 | |
Where we were pursuing information | 1:13 | |
with respect to broad range terrorism, | 1:16 | |
and issues of National Security | 1:20 | |
that had killed thousands of Americans in one fell swoop. | 1:23 | |
So, there was that element of, I think, anger, maybe not, | 1:27 | |
I don't know if it was anger among the legislative | 1:32 | |
or among the executives so much. | 1:34 | |
But there was anger in the community. | 1:36 | |
And I think the representatives of the people, | 1:39 | |
the House of the Senate, were sensitive to that | 1:43 | |
and wanted to create a structure that would render results. | 1:46 | |
Find these people and punish them. | 1:51 | |
And of course, the political branches are entitled, | 1:54 | |
and maybe responsible, to listen and to react to them, | 1:58 | |
but not the courts. | 2:01 | |
Maybe it was Socrates that said that, | 2:04 | |
"The law is reasoning without emotion." | 2:07 | |
And that's what we were trying to do. | 2:11 | |
To look at these things and find a path. | 2:13 |
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