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-	And at some point I got information again,	0:00
	via the same channel,	0:02
	people in Gitmo,	0:07
	to Mark Fallon, to Ralph Blencowe, to Mike Ellis,	0:08
	that there may have been some physical hitting, slapping,	0:14
	some level of physical abuse that has occurred.	0:19
	At that point,	0:27
	literally with probably not much more than that,	0:28
	and not a lot of specifics,	0:32
	I went to see Alberto Mora	0:34
	who was the General Counsel of the Navy at the time.	0:36
	that that is the lead lawyer for the Department of the Navy.	0:39
	And I believe my first meeting with him	0:42
	it was probably Mike Ellis and myself	0:44
	who sat down with him and said, look,	0:46
	I haven't gone much farther than what I've heard	0:51
	which may be second hand, maybe not	0:54
	but I'm telling you upfront	0:57
	that I'm going to pull NCIS people out	0:59
	and I'm going to do it unilaterally.	1:03
	So if I can't bring this to rest immediately	1:05
	then I'll just pull our people out.	1:09
	But it's, again, it's sort of	1:11
	a black and white thing for me.	1:12
	I don't need to think about it. I don't need to justify it.	1:13
	I'm just going to do it.	1:17
	So he's my boss, he represents the Secretary.	1:18
	I said, look, I didn't even ask for his opinion	1:20
	at that point, didn't ask for his approval.	1:25
	And honestly, I'd worked with him closely	1:27
	and knew him well and respected him.	1:29
	But now we're getting into politically sensitive area	1:31
	and I'm not sure exactly what his reaction is going to be.	1:34
	And I'll always have the highest respect for Alberto	1:39
	and highest regard because he immediately,	1:43
	immediately without hesitation	1:47
	without questioning without, well, I don't know.	1:48
	In essence said, do what you gotta do	1:52
	because this is absolutely unacceptable.	1:54
	He had an incredibly aggressive this is unacceptable,	1:57
	it goes against our basic premise as a country,	2:01
	our moral standing, our moral fiber.	2:03
	And honestly, just went to his chain of command immediately.	2:08
	As I said earlier,	2:15
	I have great respect for him because candidly,	2:16
	practically he just put his career on the line	2:20
	because it was a incredibly sensitive topic.	2:23
	It was vague enough in the world at that time	2:27
	as to who was doing what and who had responsibilities	2:30
	and what was going on	2:33
	that even from a	2:34
	back seat perspective	2:38
	I could see that this issue that he had taken on	2:39
	put him, and was going to put him	2:44
	right in the middle	2:46
	of a very, very volatile scenario.	2:47

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Title:

Brant, David - short clip - MoraPutHisCareerontheLine

Date:

March 11, 2011

Interviewer:

Honigsberg, Peter Jan

Interviewee:

Brant, David

Role:

Military

Description:

This interview may include descriptions of violence.
NCIS Director
David Brant, male, age 58, was the Director of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service from 1997 through 2005. He reported questionable interrogation techniques to Alberto Mora, then General Counsel of the Navy.
Description was provided by Witness to Guantanamo.

Subject:

United States

Format:

oral histories

Language:

English

Extent:

1:26:36

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Witness to Guantanamo

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Witness to Guantanamo Video Collection, 2009-2017

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