Gelles, Michael - short clip - IsolationAsARelationshipBuildingTool
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| - | But I don't think isolation's a bad thing. | 0:00 |
| Okay, so let's go back... | 0:03 | |
| Not for a year, okay. | 0:04 | |
| And it's used quite effectively punitively in U.S. prisons | 0:06 | |
| and it has never been challenged. | 0:09 | |
| So there are people who have issues about it. | 0:11 | |
| All right. | 0:13 | |
| So, let's go back to talking about rapport based approach | 0:14 | |
| of a collectivist, an individual who needs | 0:18 | |
| to be with people, right? | 0:21 | |
| Relationship based. | 0:22 | |
| All right, so the idea is that you need to form | 0:24 | |
| a relationship with him. | 0:26 | |
| Let's face it, this is not... | 0:27 | |
| He's there and at this point in time | 0:29 | |
| you don't believe that... | 0:31 | |
| He may have done something very serious | 0:32 | |
| and we need to find out about it. | 0:34 | |
| Okay, still innocent until proven guilty. | 0:36 | |
| But we're gonna do an investigation, | 0:41 | |
| especially if I've got evidence like pocket materials | 0:42 | |
| and manuals and all these other things, | 0:45 | |
| we're gonna find out what you've been doing. | 0:47 | |
| I mean, let's not get lost into, | 0:48 | |
| oh all these poor people at Guantanamo Bay. | 0:52 | |
| Granted, there were plenty of people that probably | 0:54 | |
| shouldn't have been there that got swept up | 0:56 | |
| with those of them. | 0:57 | |
| But there were plenty of bad folks there too. | 0:58 | |
| Plenty of them. | 1:00 | |
| And you had to sort it out, okay? | 1:01 | |
| So that being said, if I need to develop a relationship | 1:03 | |
| with you and you're gonna talk with me, | 1:08 | |
| then, one, why do I wanna have you have access to lots | 1:10 | |
| of other people who could support you being resistant | 1:14 | |
| in your collective. | 1:16 | |
| I don't wanna do that. | 1:18 | |
| And second, if you're gonna talk and you need to have | 1:19 | |
| a relationship, I want you to have it with me. | 1:21 | |
| And I want you to talk to me. | 1:24 | |
| So you're in the process of being... | 1:25 | |
| You're believed to have done something pretty significant, | 1:29 | |
| you're gonna talk to me and that's who you're gonna talk to | 1:31 | |
| for a while. | 1:34 | |
| Now that might be somewhere around several weeks | 1:34 | |
| but I don't know about a year or two years. | 1:38 | |
| And there've been some people who were just housed | 1:41 | |
| in places where they're a house by themselves. | 1:44 | |
| Interviewer | And after several weeks if they don't break, | 1:48 |
| what happens under your theories? | 1:50 | |
| - | Well, I mean, the question is break. | 1:53 |
| Maybe they don't break 'cause there's nothing | 1:55 | |
| they have to say. | 1:57 | |
| I mean, that's a big piece of it. | 1:59 | |
| But could you develop a relationship and a rapport? | 2:00 | |
| And I was always of the belief that there was probably | 2:04 | |
| a good five to 10% of those folks, no matter what you did, | 2:08 | |
| they weren't gonna talk. | 2:12 | |
| They weren't gonna talk. | 2:14 | |
| They just weren't gonna. | 2:15 |
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