Savage, Charlie - short clip - TheCripplingFearofAnExDetainee

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-	One Yemeni named Ahmed Khatir went to Estonia	0:03
	a couple of years ago when they finally started	0:07
	resettling Yemenis rather than kind of give up on Yemen.	0:10
	Stabilizing enough that they could repatriate him	0:14
	and he's agreed to let me come visit him.	0:15
	And so I went and I spent sort of a week in Estonia.	0:19
	I talked to him several days, it's all day with him	0:23
	and his apartment or riding the bus around town.	0:25
	Speaking to his friends,	0:28
	went to the mosque with him where he prays sort	0:29
	of a very small mosque in Tallinn.	0:32
	And sort of getting a sense of his life	0:34
	and he's very glad to be out, but also at the struggles	0:36
	He's in this strange place where he doesn't,	0:39
	he's trying to learn the language	0:42
	but doesn't speak it well enough yet.	0:44
	Although they do speak English there	0:46
	and he speaks English that helps.	0:47
	That actually may be a crutch for him.	0:48
	Very small Muslim community,	0:50
	so hard to get halal food.	0:52
	And he's sort of misses his family	0:55
	and hasn't been able to reunite with them and so forth.	0:57
	Larger than that, his sort of crippling fear	1:01
	as he described it, that he will be blamed	1:05
	if a bomb goes off somewhere and they don't know who did it.	1:08
	"Oh that ex-GTMO guide, he must've done it",	1:11
	but his mind at least he was falsely blamed even	1:13
	for being involved in Al-Qaeda because he was	1:16
	in the wrong place at the wrong time.	1:18
	And he's just sort of has trouble leaving	1:21
	his apartment sometimes because he's just like,	1:25
	what if something goes off.	1:27
	And he gradually got used to going around Estonia	1:28
	but would not, has not traveled to other countries	1:30
	in the EU, even though he's allowed to.	1:33
	At least on paper cause it's the Schengen zone,	1:36
	even though he, you know, he lost his twenties	1:40
	and would kind of like to see the world.	1:42
	But what if some bomb goes, he likes the fact	1:44
	that he thinks he's under surveillance in Estonia,	1:46
	because I mean, they'll know if something goes off,	1:48
	that he was just, you know,	1:51
	having cereal in his apartment when that happened.	1:53

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Title:

Savage, Charlie - short clip - TheCripplingFearofAnExDetainee

Date:

January 17, 2017

Interviewer:

Honigsberg, Peter Jan

Interviewee:

Savage, Charlie

Role:

Journalist

Description:

This interview may include descriptions of violence.
Journalist, The New York Times
Charlie Savage, male, age 41, reports for The New York Times on national security and legal policy issues, including presidential power, surveillance, drone strikes, torture, secrecy, leak investigations, and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Description was provided by Witness to Guantanamo.

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1:07:03

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