Mcfadden, Robert - short clip - NoScienceSupportingHumiliation
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| - | Still to this day | 0:00 |
| I don't think we know how it came to be. | 0:02 | |
| And where are these | 0:05 | |
| so-called techniques came from, but | 0:06 | |
| why would humiliation of some kind | 0:10 | |
| reasonably, would you expect | 0:14 | |
| to get good interrogation results from humiliation | 0:16 | |
| whether it's cultural, religious, sexual, or otherwise? | 0:21 | |
| I don't know where that came from. | 0:24 | |
| I have some theories, but I don't know how anybody | 0:25 | |
| could claim to have any degree of experience | 0:29 | |
| in that part of the world would come up with such things. | 0:32 | |
| I think that some of the most senior officials | 0:34 | |
| thought it was the right thing to do, | 0:36 | |
| as they say, based on the briefings | 0:38 | |
| and the intelligence they were receiving. | 0:41 | |
| So I can't really come to any other conclusion | 0:42 | |
| because these are otherwise very, very formidable | 0:44 | |
| senior leaders, men, and women, | 0:48 | |
| that they would have | 0:51 | |
| concurred and approved doing these kinds of things | 0:52 | |
| when there was absolutely no science | 0:56 | |
| or basis for it to work. | 0:58 | |
| And with that, I didn't even talk about | 1:02 | |
| the legal or moral implications of | 1:03 | |
| of doing things that if they were done by enemies | 1:05 | |
| to the United States, to our people | 1:09 | |
| what we would consider that. | 1:11 | |
| But if I can go full circle | 1:13 | |
| in full disclosure and honesty | 1:15 | |
| I would have to say again, if I saw data | 1:17 | |
| that there was some science behind it | 1:21 | |
| not the extreme, not torture, | 1:24 | |
| but some of the extreme mental coercion | 1:26 | |
| let's say that it worked | 1:29 | |
| that it worked quickly, | 1:30 | |
| that it was much more effective | 1:31 | |
| than our building the rapport and an accord | 1:32 | |
| and getting to the intelligence. | 1:36 | |
| I probably would have said, hey boss | 1:38 | |
| can you sign me up so that I can learn that and do that. | 1:40 | |
| But we knew that there was no such thing | 1:43 | |
| involved in that whatsoever. | 1:45 | |
| It was a reaction when it trickled out, they're doing what? | 1:47 |
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