Abraham, Stephen - short clip - Blood on Our Hands

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	(typing loudly)	0:04
	(Islam prayers)	0:09
-	(indistinct), and many others continued to be	0:19
	and may well to this day still be detained	0:21
	whether at Guantanamo or elsewhere.	0:25
	Not because there was a legitimate and lawful reason	0:27
	for detaining them.	0:30
	And those were two very important components	0:31
	of the discussion of the argument.	0:34
	There maybe a legitimate reason for detaining somebody.	0:37
	There may be a lawful reason for detaining somebody	0:41
	but when there is neither a legitimate nor lawful reason	0:44
	for detaining somebody,	0:48
	we do not I believe have the authority	0:49
	to detain that person.	0:53
	(indistinct) was during all of this time dying.	0:55
	He may still be at Guantanamo.	0:58
	He may be dead.	1:00
	I don't know.	1:01
	But what I explained to the members of Congress	1:02
	when I testified was the simple fact	1:06
	that we cannot as an individual, as individuals	1:09
	and as a nation deny the fact that if he dies	1:11
	there having been no legitimate	1:16
	or lawful reason for detaining him,	1:18
	his blood will be on our hands.	1:20
	I think that we should consider that	1:23
	not as an excuse for letting people go,	1:26
	not as an excuse or a reason for denying the legitimate	1:29
	and lawful reasons for doing everything we can	1:32
	to protect this nation and its residents, its citizens.	1:36
	But when we decide to disregard the boundaries	1:41
	of the legitimate and the lawful,	1:47
	something that I've mentioned earlier to you.	1:49
	This idea of moral hazard,	1:52
	we as individuals and as a nation must accept the fact	1:55
	that if we choose to act (indistinct)	1:58
	we must accept the consequences of it.	2:03

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Title:

Abraham, Stephen - short clip - Blood on Our Hands

Date:

August 11, 2011

Interviewer:

Honigsberg, Peter Jan

Interviewee:

Abraham, Stephen

Role:

Military

Description:

This interview may include descriptions of violence.
Brigadier General (Ret)
Stephen Xenakis, male, age 63, was an Army Brigadier General, and advised senior Department of Defense officials on issues of psychological health. As an expert on torture, he provided legal testimony on behalf of current and former detainees.
Description was provided by Witness to Guantanamo.

Subject:

United States

Format:

oral histories

Language:

English

Extent:

1:38:28

Digital Collection:

Witness to Guantanamo

Source Collection:

Witness to Guantanamo Video Collection, 2009-2017

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