Savage, Charlie - short clip - ObamavsTrumpontheMilitaryCommissions

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	(pencil scratching)	0:00
-	One of the reasons the Obama people were invested	0:03
	in the existing law enforcement approach	0:06
	to dealing with terrorism cases	0:10
	that arose on United States soil	0:12
	rather than sending people to Guantanamo	0:14
	is that as a practical matter,	0:16
	it was not just that they were human rights idealists,	0:19
	as a practical matter, the national security professionals	0:23
	found that it was very effective,	0:26
	that there were, in Article Three with courts	0:28
	they could use various tools available as interrogators	0:32
	to induce cooperation without using torture.	0:35
	They could, you know, offer credit for time served	0:39
	and all kinds of other things	0:42
	that aren't available in the military commission system.	0:43
	And then they could even use the defense lawyer	0:46
	assigned to represent someone as an ally to say,	0:48
	you better cooperate because, you know,	0:51
	you're really facing some serious situation here,	0:53
	maybe you can improve your situation a little bit.	0:55
	And then once someone was convicted,	0:59
	the trial happened quickly, compared to Guantanamo,	1:02
	the verdict was upheld on an appeal,	1:07
	the person disappears into the Florence supermax,	1:10
	never to be heard from again,	1:12
	while the, sort of circus of an attempt	1:13
	to bring even the big, get through pretrial hearings,	1:17
	in a case the commission system	1:20
	continues to be ineffective.	1:22
	And so, it will be, you know,	1:25
	there were practical or pragmatic arguments for this	1:28
	that the professionals had	1:31
	totally apart from the political rhetoric	1:33
	about which way was being tougher on terrorism.	1:35
	One of the things that'll be very interesting to watch for	1:38
	is how national security professionals	1:39
	in the Trump administration handle these issues	1:42
	as they arise and whether they make such arguments	1:46
	and whether they're listened to,	1:48
	or whether there's a desire to show a different approach	1:49
	that prevails over that kind of an argument.	1:54

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Title:

Savage, Charlie - short clip - ObamavsTrumpontheMilitaryCommissions

Date:

January 17, 2017

Interviewer:

Honigsberg, Peter Jan

Interviewee:

Savage, Charlie

Role:

Journalist

Description:

This interview may include descriptions of violence.
Journalist, The New York Times
Charlie Savage, male, age 41, reports for The New York Times on national security and legal policy issues, including presidential power, surveillance, drone strikes, torture, secrecy, leak investigations, and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
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United States

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1:07:03

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