Frakt, David - short clip - FrequentFlier
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| - | You know, I had asked him about how he had been treated. | 0:00 |
| You know, what was the conditions like? | 0:03 | |
| And he had a number of complaints about it. | 0:06 | |
| But, one thing that he had talked about, | 0:08 | |
| that-it didn't really make any sense to me, | 0:10 | |
| was he said that there was a time, | 0:13 | |
| when they would come and they would just wake him up. | 0:14 | |
| And they would move, you know, move him from one cell, | 0:18 | |
| and then he would move into another cell, | 0:20 | |
| and they would wake him up. | 0:21 | |
| And then it was like, that was very disturbing. | 0:23 | |
| And I thought they were saying | 0:27 | |
| that they just moved him a lot, you know? | 0:28 | |
| And he didn't like that. | 0:30 | |
| But, I really didn't know what he was talking about. | 0:31 | |
| In the discovery, the Colonel Vandeveld sent me, | 0:35 | |
| it was something called | 0:37 | |
| the Detainee Information Management System, | 0:37 | |
| the DIMS records. | 0:40 | |
| And this is basically a log of everything | 0:43 | |
| that happens to an individual detainee. | 0:45 | |
| So I am pouring over these, you know, | 0:47 | |
| years worth of records to try to get | 0:49 | |
| a picture of what his life was like. | 0:51 | |
| And I came across some very odd entries or series of entries | 0:53 | |
| and they weren't all in chronological order. | 1:00 | |
| So, it took me a while to, | 1:02 | |
| I started building the spreadsheet | 1:04 | |
| to put things in chronological order. | 1:06 | |
| And what I found was that he had been moved | 1:08 | |
| back and forth, from one cell to another, | 1:12 | |
| 112 times in a 14 day period. | 1:15 | |
| So on average, in less than every three hours, like 2:47h. | 1:20 | |
| One of the entries said, "Frequent Flyer", | 1:25 | |
| and two said, "FF". | 1:30 | |
| And I had heard, I thought I had heard or read somewhere, | 1:34 | |
| something about a Frequent Flyer, but I just didn't know it. | 1:36 | |
| So, I started doing research on it. | 1:39 | |
| There was a Frequent Flyer program | 1:41 | |
| that was used for interrogation purposes. | 1:44 | |
| To set the conditions for interrogation, | 1:48 | |
| to soften the detainee or disorient them, | 1:52 | |
| or weaken their resistance. | 1:57 | |
| And then, there was another Frequent Flyer program | 1:58 | |
| that was basically to punish the detainees. | 2:01 | |
| And that's what they were doing to Jawad. | 2:07 | |
| Because they did not interrogate him | 2:09 | |
| during the Frequent Flyer program. | 2:11 | |
| They didn't interrogate him | 2:12 | |
| for months before or months after. | 2:12 | |
| So it had nothing to do with intelligence gathering. | 2:15 | |
| It was purely, I mean, I call it sadistic, | 2:17 | |
| but I mean, it was just abuse | 2:22 | |
| for the sake of controlling the prisoner, | 2:24 | |
| punishing the prisoner. | 2:29 | |
| But, there was nothing in his records that indicated | 2:30 | |
| that he was a significant disciplinary problem | 2:34 | |
| or merited in any particular punishment, certainly. | 2:36 | |
| And nothing, there's no. | 2:40 | |
| There would be no legal justification | 2:41 | |
| for using an inhumane method like this. | 2:43 |
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