Clemente, Jim - short clip - InterrogationPlan
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| - | General Miller's right-hand man handed me | 0:01 |
| an interrogation plan to sign off on. | 0:03 | |
| And I noticed there's a certain format | 0:06 | |
| for their interrogation plans | 0:08 | |
| and they have to have the game plan for today. | 0:10 | |
| And then if that fails, have another phase, | 0:13 | |
| and if that fails a final phase. | 0:14 | |
| So I read on and I read the first phase | 0:16 | |
| and it was fear up, anxiety up, | 0:18 | |
| stripping the guy naked and shaving his body hair | 0:21 | |
| and having 20 hour interrogation sessions | 0:24 | |
| with loud music and lights and all this stuff. | 0:29 | |
| And I said, not only no, but absolutely no, | 0:32 | |
| this is ridiculous. | 0:36 | |
| And I said, who? | 0:38 | |
| Well that was phase one, phase two was even worse. | 0:39 | |
| Dogs, attack dogs | 0:42 | |
| all sorts of harsh treatment | 0:46 | |
| including they didn't call it waterboarding. | 0:49 | |
| They called it wet toweling at the time. | 0:51 | |
| And the most important, and revealing thing | 0:53 | |
| about that plan was phase three, which was | 0:56 | |
| and I'll do the best I can to quote it. | 0:59 | |
| But if phases one and two don't work, | 1:01 | |
| the third phase of this plan would be to send | 1:04 | |
| this detainee to Egypt, or another third country | 1:07 | |
| where they were employed torture | 1:11 | |
| to get the requisite information from him. | 1:13 | |
| And I specifically said to him | 1:16 | |
| you realize that's against the U.S. torture statute. | 1:18 | |
| I mean, have you read the statute? | 1:20 | |
| He handed me a second iteration of that plan. | 1:22 | |
| And at that point he had just | 1:26 | |
| taken the word torture out | 1:27 | |
| and said, other means, instead of torture. | 1:29 | |
| I said you can't cure this doing the same thing | 1:33 | |
| but just calling it something else. | 1:36 | |
| I said, this is illegal. | 1:37 | |
| You cannot do it. | 1:39 | |
| And so then the next iteration was something like | 1:41 | |
| to the effect of, that they'll be sent off island | 1:46 | |
| and SOUTHCOM will determine what will happen to them. | 1:51 | |
| You know, just because he didn't want to say it on paper | 1:55 | |
| but they didn't change their plan at all. | 1:59 | |
| They just changed how it was documented | 2:03 | |
| because I was making an issue out of it. | 2:04 | |
| And I said, look, | 2:06 | |
| anybody who signs on to this plan | 2:08 | |
| is joining into a conspiracy to commit a violation | 2:10 | |
| of the U.S. torture statute. | 2:15 | |
| That became an issue, and I realized | 2:18 | |
| at that point that I don't know if, | 2:23 | |
| I didn't know at that point | 2:26 | |
| whether my superiors at the FBI or people at DOJ | 2:27 | |
| or people at the Pentagon, or people at the White House | 2:31 | |
| knew what was going on down here. | 2:34 | |
| So I realized that the people here, | 2:36 | |
| there in Guantanamo were all charged up post 9/11, | 2:41 | |
| there they saw it as their mission to | 2:47 | |
| get these terrorists and save the world, which | 2:50 | |
| is a laudatory mission, but they felt that | 2:54 | |
| there were no rules associated with that. | 2:58 | |
| And, I mean, it's the most basic part | 3:00 | |
| of being an FBI agent that you swear an oath to | 3:04 | |
| uphold the Constitution. | 3:06 | |
| And that didn't change just because I was on Guantanamo Bay. | 3:08 |
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