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-	The bigger problem I have is	0:00
	that the Obama administration has been much more insidious.	0:03
	As I said before...	0:07
	They've basically clamped down.	0:11
	We're not allowed to talk about anything.	0:12
	I mean, let me just give you a real basic example.	0:14
	Bush, Cheney, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, Rumsfeld,	0:19
	and countless others.	0:26
	Oh, well, most recently this guy Rodriguez from CIA	0:28
	and tenant from the CIA have all written books talking	0:32
	about my client's torture.	0:35
	They all admitted that he's been waterboarded.	0:38
	Hayden admitted, admitted that they destroyed 90 videotapes.	0:40
	Everybody has conceded it was legal.	0:46
	We've got these memorandum right here from John Hugh.	0:48
	we know all this information.	0:51
	Can my client, through me.	0:53
	tell people what it was like to be waterboarded?	0:58
	Well, what is what the other enhanced interrogation	1:00
	techniques were like?	1:03
	Nah. And why is that?	1:04
	Well, because everything that he says is presumably	1:07
	classified at the top secret level.	1:11
	It's ridiculous.	1:13
Interviewer	Who, who made that decision?	1:14
-	The government, DOJ made that decision.	1:17
Interviewer	Was that under the Obama administration?	1:18
-	Well, no, it was made under Bush	1:20
	but it we've tried to get it relaxed.	1:22
	And Obama has,	1:25
	well under Obama it's become much more difficult	1:28
	to get any information out.	1:31
	If I've signed a deck, get my client to sign a declaration.	1:32
	They won't clear it.	1:36
	They're telling me now that I have to tell them	1:37
	the reason why I want to use the declaration.	1:40
	I mentioned the declaration to authorize the	1:42
	Polish litigation, where he was in prison on the black side.	1:46
	They would never clear that.	1:50
	And the reason is, I wouldn't give him the reason why.	1:51
	Now it would be easy enough for me to say,	1:55
	we want to initiate litigation in Poland.	1:57
	Had I done that?	1:59
	I'm sure they would have said no.	2:01
	Well, that doesn't have anything to do with habeas Corpus.	2:02
	So we're not going to do it, but I couldn't do that.	2:05
	Even if I wanted to, because to divulge my thoughts	2:08
	and strategies would be to violate	2:14
	the term of the work product doctrine.	2:17
	And I can't give up my work product.	2:19
	I mean, that's not something I'm going to do.	2:21
	And I'm certainly not going to tell my opponents	2:23
	the very line attorneys who are handling the case	2:26
	against Abu Zubaydah and let them make the determination as	2:29
	to whether it's a good use or not.	2:33
	That's ridiculous.	2:34
	I mean, but this is what, this is where the law has gone	2:35
	with regard to these detainees.	2:39
	There is no law.	2:40
	They can get away with it and they know they can get	2:42
	away with it.	2:44
	And unless, and until we can get some judges	2:46
	who really have got some balls to step in and say,	2:50
	I don't care whether the DC circuit reverses me,	2:55
	this is wrong, and this is my decision.	2:59
	And I'm ordering this guy released.	3:02

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Title:

Mickum, George Brent - short clip - ThereIsNoLaw

Date:

October 2, 2012

Interviewer:

Honigsberg, Peter Jan

Interviewee:

Mickum, George Brent

Role:

Detainee Attorney

Description:

This interview may include descriptions of violence.
Detainee Attorney
George Brent Mickum, male, age 58, is an attorney who represented Guantanamo detainees Bisher Al Rawi, Jamil El Banna, and Martin Mubanga, as well as Abu Zubaydah, one of the "high-value" detainees.
Description was provided by Witness to Guantanamo.

Subject:

United States

Format:

oral histories

Language:

English

Extent:

2:25:50

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Witness to Guantanamo Video Collection, 2009-2017

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