Vigil #10
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| ♪ Kumbaya my Lord ♪ | 0:05 | |
| ♪ Kumbaya ♪ | 0:09 | |
| ♪ Kumbaya my Lord ♪ | 0:13 | |
| ♪ Kumbaya ♪ | 0:18 | |
| ♪ Oh Lord Kumbaya ♪ | 0:22 | |
| - | Getting there. | 0:29 |
| - | Yeah. | |
| - | Can we catch up for a minute? | 0:30 |
| - | Yes. | 0:32 |
| - | As you can hear, Ms. Baez just lead the group in Kumbaya. | 0:35 |
| At this moment, things are quiet. | 0:44 | |
| I imagine that there will be more singing momentarily. | 0:48 | |
| Our microphones are set up at a discussion table | 0:52 | |
| where Ms. Harris, or Ms. Baez, or Mrs. Harris, rather, | 0:55 | |
| had her husband and two other people were in a discussion. | 0:59 | |
| As you can hear right now, they're planning | 1:04 | |
| on what they're going to do next. | 1:05 | |
| As I said before, Ms. Harris began singing. | 1:07 | |
| Apparently a confrontation is in the making | 1:11 | |
| by the board of trustees and the students here. | 1:14 | |
| It has become markedly more serious as of this afternoon, | 1:18 | |
| what was already a very serious effort has become | 1:22 | |
| more serious as it becomes possible in a more real sense | 1:24 | |
| that some of the students here may be putting | 1:27 | |
| themselves on the line not just bodily, | 1:31 | |
| but in terms with their standing with the university. | 1:33 | |
| This, however, is all speculation at this time | 1:35 | |
| because Chairman Tisdale has made no official statement. | 1:39 | |
| - | Ask questions. | 1:44 |
| First of all, answer the ones that we can see here. | 1:46 | |
| - | As you can see, they're calling for questions. | 1:47 |
| Ms. Baez and her husband. | 1:51 | |
| We're discussing the draft. | 1:54 | |
| Apparently this is something they're very concerned | 1:57 | |
| and as well as the issue as stake here of civil rights | 1:59 | |
| and racial justice. | 2:02 | |
| - | Are there any people here that are in the light | 2:04 |
| that we can see that have questions? | 2:06 | |
| - | She's calling for questions from the monitor. | 2:08 |
| She's calling for questions from the floor. | 2:11 | |
| I do not know how this questioning is going to go. | 2:14 | |
| We'll listen in. | 2:18 | |
| - | (mumbles) Harris and, Ms. Harris. | 2:20 |
| And these people coming here speaking to us all | 2:23 | |
| over existence, but that this is not our main focus | 2:24 | |
| and I have to say. | 2:29 | |
| (audience applauds) | ||
| - | As you can see, he has just informed them | 2:33 |
| that this is not a peace vigil, but rather a vigil | 2:35 | |
| for racial justice. | 2:37 | |
| This is something that apparently there was | 2:39 | |
| some misunderstanding on the part of Ms. Baez | 2:40 | |
| and Mr. Harris. | 2:42 | |
| The people here are of course, here having to do | 2:44 | |
| with demands of the union and so forth. | 2:48 | |
| I think this is beginning to be cleared up on the quad. | 2:50 | |
| I imagine Ms. Baez was aware of this, | 2:52 | |
| but was also very interested in this other topic, | 2:54 | |
| that would be war and universal brotherhood. | 2:58 | |
| - | I'm glad we've given them a chance to speak on the subject | 3:03 |
| but it's an entirely different issue and just for the sake | 3:05 | |
| of (mumbles) we might be listening in. | 3:09 | |
| I want to remind you that this vigil is not | 3:11 | |
| a draft (mumbles) and many of the people here do feel | 3:15 | |
| and when they do, there are many people who feel | 3:19 | |
| differently in their lives, but both of us | 3:23 | |
| are on one side. | 3:25 | |
| But I just wanted to make sure that everybody here | 3:26 | |
| realizes the people's live (mumbles) movement | 3:29 | |
| and although | 3:33 | |
| - | Do you want to respond | |
| to that? | 3:35 | |
| - | Oh, let me just check | |
| on that because (mumbles). | 3:37 | |
| (laughter) | 3:38 | |
| - | The main object here is for (mumbles). | 3:39 |
| - | I don't even think we should respond to that. | 3:42 |
| I think we should just ignore it | 3:44 | |
| and move on. | 3:45 | |
| - | Okay. | |
| - | I mean (mumbles). | 3:46 |
| (audience applauds) | 3:47 | |
| - | As you can hear, our microphones are picking up | 3:53 |
| a private conversation as well. | 3:55 | |
| - | Actually, Mr. Sanber would like to respond to that. | 3:56 |
| Okay, I'll respond to it. | 4:01 | |
| - | We've been on a national speaking tour discussing | 4:03 |
| the things that we said tonight, | 4:05 | |
| and when we came to Duke they said everybody | 4:07 | |
| who was anybody sitting out on the lawn, | 4:08 | |
| so why don't you go and say it there? | 4:10 | |
| So that's what we did. | 4:12 | |
| (audience applauds) | 4:14 | |
| - | As you can see, I think the misunderstanding | 4:16 |
| is at this moment beginning to be cleared up. | 4:17 | |
| - | I suppose, to be as polite as I can, | 4:23 |
| I would say I disagree with the young man. | 4:26 | |
| As a matter of fact, what you're about is resistance | 4:29 | |
| and you can't divide them, that's all. | 4:32 | |
| They're all connected and if you think | 4:35 | |
| universities divided from resistance is incorrect. | 4:36 | |
| - | You're all right! | 4:41 |
| - | Even your hissing | |
| is part of your resistance, as a matter of fact. | 4:44 | |
| (audience applauds) | 4:48 | |
| You see, I think this is one of the things | 4:53 | |
| that's happened in our world, is we divide it up, | 4:56 | |
| that we have this specific issue, we have that | 5:00 | |
| specific issue. | 5:02 | |
| I think we have a whole issue of how to be human | 5:03 | |
| and how to relate, humanate other people | 5:06 | |
| and I think you're doing that tonight | 5:09 | |
| and I don't think it's disconnected from resistance. | 5:11 | |
| (audience applauds) | 5:14 | |
| - | Okay, well we're going to take, at random, | 5:22 |
| some of the questions that came up here. | 5:24 | |
| And (laughs) first question came up | 5:27 | |
| was what would you do if you get attacked? | 5:29 | |
| - | Well! | 5:31 |
| (laughter) | ||
| - | Relax. | 5:39 |
| The thing about. | 5:40 | |
| (laughter) | 5:43 | |
| The thing about a hypothetical, well two things | 5:44 | |
| about this particular question. | 5:46 | |
| I gather the person means what do you do individually | 5:48 | |
| when somebody's poking a gun in your ribs | 5:49 | |
| or raping your mother or whatever the hypothetical | 5:52 | |
| situation is, and I say two things. | 5:54 | |
| One is to answer hypothetical. | 5:57 | |
| There's no hypothetical. | 5:59 | |
| There's no answer to hypothetical question | 6:00 | |
| except a hypothetical one and everybody leaves | 6:02 | |
| saying, yeah, but. | 6:03 | |
| So what I'll do is two things and I'll give you | 6:05 | |
| an example of an individual responding to an attack | 6:07 | |
| and then I'd like to say that this is not really | 6:11 | |
| what we're stressing so much as the fact | 6:14 | |
| that 83% of the American tax dollar | 6:16 | |
| goes to building weapons of destruction | 6:21 | |
| and things to kill people with and that I think | 6:22 | |
| that's a different kind of a violence from adrinalin | 6:25 | |
| on the streets kind of violence. | 6:27 | |
| And as long as we allow ourselves to go on supporting | 6:29 | |
| the kind of international murder that goes on, | 6:33 | |
| I think that incidental violence or whatever | 6:36 | |
| you want to call it will keep going. | 6:38 | |
| I think you're just about. | 6:41 | |
| I'd just like to give one example because sometimes | 6:43 | |
| it is helpful to know a real situation that took place | 6:44 | |
| and they do take place and pacifists live to tell about it | 6:47 | |
| and Ira Sandfrill, sitting on my right, | 6:51 | |
| was attacked by a man who had a gun | 6:53 | |
| and it's ideal for a pacifist because everybody | 6:56 | |
| is always saying, "What would you do if somebody | 6:58 | |
| "attacked you and stuck a gun in your ribs?" | 7:00 | |
| And so somebody did one night as Ira was stepping | 7:01 | |
| off a train. | 7:04 | |
| Ira was going to a Quaker meeting (laughs). | 7:05 | |
| Yeah. | 7:06 | |
| A man stepped up to him and stuck a gun | 7:08 | |
| in his side and said, "Give me all your money." | 7:10 | |
| And Ira said, "No, I'll give you half." | 7:11 | |
| (audience laughs) | 7:14 | |
| (audience applauds) | 7:18 | |
| You all realize it's a terrible thing. | 7:20 | |
| - | If I might interrupt our programming at this time, | 7:21 |
| I would like to announce that we here | 7:24 | |
| are not particularly clear in our minds whether | 7:26 | |
| it is necessary to continue covering | 7:29 | |
| the questioning and answering. | 7:31 | |
| However, I would like to leave this open if those of you | 7:34 | |
| who are listening now to WDBS would particularly | 7:37 | |
| like to hear the questioning go on, | 7:39 | |
| please call us at 3686 and we certainly are not | 7:42 | |
| adverse to keeping it on the air. | 7:44 | |
| However, it is my feeling here that it might be best | 7:46 | |
| to return you to our regularly programming, | 7:49 | |
| regular scheduled programming until something else | 7:51 | |
| new breaks here. | 7:54 | |
| However, if you're particularly interested | 7:55 | |
| in hearing this, please call us at 3686 | 7:56 | |
| and in five minutes, I will be in communication | 7:59 | |
| with our station briefly to see what the situation | 8:02 | |
| is on that. | 8:05 | |
| For the present, I'll return you to the main quadrangle. | 8:06 | |
| - | But I think what happens when you begin to think | 8:08 |
| in the terms that everybody has something | 8:10 | |
| you can appeal to as a human being, then you stop | 8:13 | |
| thinking of him as a crook and that's your only | 8:15 | |
| possibility of getting out of the situation alive. | 8:18 | |
| Plus, for instance, in this case, it enhanced | 8:21 | |
| the whole situation beautifully. | 8:24 | |
| You want to say anything about that? | 8:26 | |
| Okay, another question. | 8:28 | |
| - | Well (mumbles). | 8:30 |
| - | Does anybody with B and C have a question? | 8:32 |
| - | There's a question here. | 8:35 |
| - | Okay. | |
| - | You want to use this? | 8:37 |
| - | No, I just want to ask what do we do | 8:38 |
| about our parents who are not, you know (mumbles)? | 8:40 | |
| (laughter) | 8:44 | |
| - | The question is, the young man in the back of us | 8:46 |
| says what do we do about our parents who are not | 8:49 | |
| in favor of what we do? | 8:51 | |
| Well, I just want to answer this first | 8:53 | |
| and if the others would like to say something, they can, | 8:55 | |
| but I just find this extraordinary that all these tough | 8:57 | |
| young men and women and all these revolutionaries, | 9:01 | |
| that then it seems as though the first and last | 9:02 | |
| question always on their minds is well, | 9:05 | |
| what's mommy going to say if I sit on the lawn | 9:07 | |
| too late and catch cold or whatever it is I'm going to do, | 9:09 | |
| what's mommy going to say and what's daddy going to say? | 9:12 | |
| And I really think that, what I would say to you | 9:14 | |
| is to give your parents a little more faith | 9:17 | |
| and a little more trust than you ever have | 9:19 | |
| and you're liable to come through on top. | 9:21 | |
| Trust them enough to tell them the truth. | 9:23 | |
| Trust them enough that you don't keep trying | 9:25 | |
| to hide stuff from them and you don't keep trying | 9:28 | |
| to do it all under cover and keep lying to them. | 9:29 | |
| Say look ma, I think this is where it stands, | 9:31 | |
| I think this is where it's at. | 9:33 | |
| And then tell her. | 9:35 | |
| What I've seen of that is that the mamas and papas | 9:37 | |
| come through pretty well at the end. | 9:39 | |
| They say well my God, we gave birth to a real son. | 9:41 | |
| (laughter) | 9:43 | |
| - | I would briefly like to say we've all had parents. | 9:46 |
| (laughter) | 9:48 | |
| - | Mr. Harris, how do you feel about removing yourself | 10:04 |
| from the system for up to five years and the possible | 10:06 | |
| (mumbles) from being in the system | 10:10 | |
| and say, being out of jail and trying to convert people | 10:12 | |
| as you run out? | 10:15 | |
| And as to people in college immediately giving up | 10:17 | |
| their right to stay out of jail, let's say. | 10:20 | |
| What do you think of the possibilities of still working | 10:23 | |
| while you're in college and trying to enlighten people | 10:27 | |
| to this brotherhood? | 10:30 | |
| - | Would be nice. | 10:32 |
| - | I think it's a good kind of America we've developed | 10:36 |
| and we're right, which is the right to stay | 10:38 | |
| out of jail (laughs). | 10:40 | |
| (laughter) | 10:42 | |
| - | But I try. | 10:43 |
| - | Do you want to? | 10:44 |
| - | Oh, what I'd say is that | 10:45 |
| I don't think the real question is being in or out of jail. | 10:47 | |
| The really question is how it is | 10:52 | |
| that you and I can do work and how is it | 10:54 | |
| that we really can relate to people. | 10:56 | |
| How is it that we really can educate people? | 10:58 | |
| Well, I'd say is that the way people learn, | 11:00 | |
| as I understand it, really isn't from the phenomenon | 11:03 | |
| of rhetoric, or from the phenomenon of what words | 11:06 | |
| that you use, it's really how you say those words | 11:09 | |
| and what kind of life is backing those words up. | 11:11 | |
| So what I'd say, that anything you want to teach | 11:13 | |
| people, it seems to me first, you'd have to live | 11:17 | |
| and one of the reasons I sent my draft cards back, | 11:19 | |
| which, and certainly I did when I was Stamford | 11:23 | |
| body president, but I'd sent them back because I wanted | 11:25 | |
| to do real work and I wanted to say the truth | 11:29 | |
| about the draft, what I thought that truth was | 11:31 | |
| and I thought there was no honest way to say that truth | 11:33 | |
| and continue to cooperate with military conscription. | 11:35 | |
| So I think the really question is a question of how | 11:38 | |
| you're going to live and what kind of values | 11:41 | |
| you're going to live out, and I think the case is | 11:43 | |
| that for living out certain kinds of values, | 11:45 | |
| you may end up in jail, but I think it's much more | 11:48 | |
| important to live those out than to postpone them | 11:49 | |
| because you might go to jail because of them. | 11:52 | |
| I think to live those as fully as you can | 11:54 | |
| is the real task. | 11:56 | |
| And as far as the question of staying in school | 11:58 | |
| as a student and doing work, I'm familiar with the position | 12:03 | |
| of being a student. | 12:08 | |
| I was a student at Stamford University for four years | 12:10 | |
| and one of those as student body president | 12:11 | |
| and I'd say that generally, | 12:12 | |
| being a student left a fairly bad taste in my mouth, | 12:15 | |
| but I felt, | 12:18 | |
| that I really believed in education | 12:21 | |
| and that I really wanted to see people educated. | 12:25 | |
| And the conclusion I reached after my time | 12:29 | |
| in the university was that the university was something | 12:31 | |
| that absolutely contradicted the notion of human education | 12:33 | |
| because it seemed to me the notion of human education | 12:36 | |
| had to begin at a basic respect for human beings | 12:38 | |
| and I saw no university and traveled between a lot | 12:41 | |
| of them speaking that had that kind of respect | 12:44 | |
| and that if I wanted to do education, | 12:46 | |
| if I wanted to be educated myself, I'd go start | 12:49 | |
| an institution or start something that would begin | 12:51 | |
| to do that education. | 12:53 | |
| And I think it's important for any student to realize | 12:55 | |
| that education is a phenomenon that exists | 12:57 | |
| inside your mind and that's where its roots are. | 13:00 | |
| Its roots are not in any institution that you send | 13:02 | |
| yourself to and it's very possible to be an educated man | 13:04 | |
| and continue to educate yourself and educate others | 13:07 | |
| around you and be completely disconnected | 13:10 | |
| from one of these institutions and I think as soon | 13:13 | |
| as you adopt the idea that education is connected | 13:15 | |
| to this institution somehow. | 13:17 | |
| - | As the discussion continues, I am going to pause | 13:19 |
| momentarily to make contact with our station | 13:21 | |
| to find out what the situation is. | 13:25 | |
| I would ask that you wait approximately 10 seconds | 13:28 | |
| while we discuss our further coverage. | 13:31 | |
| Stand by, please, for 10 seconds. | 13:34 | |
| - | This is WDBS in Durham. | 13:36 |
| As a result of a recent phone poll, we have found | 13:38 | |
| that there are 10 people of the 11 people | 13:41 | |
| who called in. | 13:43 | |
| 10 are in favor of continued coverage | 13:45 | |
| and one is against it. | 13:46 | |
| Therefore, we will continue coverage and return you | 13:47 | |
| to our west campus quad studios. | 13:49 | |
| - | Thank you very much. | 13:52 |
| As you've heard, we will continue our coverage | 13:54 | |
| of the broadcast. | 13:58 | |
| - | Believe some people of some of their fears. | 14:00 |
| And to give you an idea of what kind of power it is | 14:01 | |
| that all of you possess. | 14:03 | |
| And I think most of us begin by underestimating ourselves. | 14:07 | |
| You know, you say, well you're going to go to jail | 14:09 | |
| and I said oh, we're going to be destroyed. | 14:12 | |
| It's the first reaction. | 14:13 | |
| And I think that you possess a lot more power than that, | 14:15 | |
| and before that, I want to just give one guy's | 14:17 | |
| experience in jail to give you an idea | 14:18 | |
| of the kind of power that a person possesses. | 14:20 | |
| This was a guy in Atlanta, Georgia. | 14:22 | |
| The police came into his front room one day | 14:24 | |
| and said, "You're under arrest for refusing the draft." | 14:26 | |
| And he said, "Well, by virtue of the power of the state, | 14:30 | |
| "you take control of my body. | 14:33 | |
| "Take care of it." | 14:34 | |
| From that point on, laid down on the floor, refused to move, | 14:36 | |
| refused to talk, refused to eat, | 14:38 | |
| and so they picked him up and they carried | 14:41 | |
| him off to jail and they carried him from jail | 14:43 | |
| into the courtroom and laid him on the floor | 14:44 | |
| in the courtroom and the judge looked over the bench | 14:46 | |
| and looked at him and all the lawyers tried to get | 14:50 | |
| him to say something. | 14:51 | |
| "Come on, come on, talk here, defend yourself. | 14:53 | |
| "This is democracy, freedom." | 14:54 | |
| So he didn't and so they carried him off to prison | 14:55 | |
| and he was in prison. | 14:59 | |
| They mopped him up for six months or so and kind of | 15:01 | |
| force fed him and did all those things that you do | 15:02 | |
| and they came into his cell one day and they said, | 15:05 | |
| "Look, you're too much trouble. | 15:07 | |
| "We're going to send you home." | 15:09 | |
| And he looked up and he said, "Take the body back | 15:10 | |
| "where you found it." | 15:12 | |
| (audience laughs) | 15:14 | |
| (audience applauds) | 15:17 | |
| And made them pick him up and carry him back | 15:21 | |
| to his living room in Atlanta, Georgia | 15:22 | |
| and he got up and walked off. | 15:23 | |
| (audience laughs) | 15:24 | |
| I tell that story just so that people can begin | 15:27 | |
| to think of a phenomena like being sent to prison | 15:29 | |
| within some notion of human reality. | 15:31 | |
| And like, the one where we have in the kind of statement | 15:33 | |
| we have in resistance, | 15:36 | |
| when at Duke, do Duke, when in jail, do jail. | 15:37 | |
| And for all of you people that are concerned | 15:41 | |
| that are supposedly students, I'd just give you a quote | 15:43 | |
| from a guy named Dave Dellinger who was a guy | 15:46 | |
| that spent time in jail for non-cooperation with the draft | 15:50 | |
| and he had, at one time, been a Yale student | 15:51 | |
| and he said, "I went to Yale, then I went to jail. | 15:54 | |
| "And I learned a hell of a lot more in jail | 15:56 | |
| "than I ever learned at Yale." | 15:58 | |
| (laughter) | 15:59 | |
| And I think that's true and I think that the way | 16:01 | |
| you're going to learn is when you really begin your life | 16:03 | |
| and when you really begin living out | 16:06 | |
| what it is that you feel inside of yourselves | 16:09 | |
| and I think if what you feel is that notion | 16:12 | |
| of brotherhood, that living it out means | 16:15 | |
| that you're going to have to spend time in jail. | 16:17 | |
| And I think it's much more important for you | 16:18 | |
| to live that out than it is to worry about jail | 16:20 | |
| and I think that's what all of your concerns ought to be, | 16:22 | |
| is how you can live that out and penalties be damned | 16:24 | |
| because penalties don't mean anything | 16:27 | |
| when you begin to live that out. | 16:30 | |
| Penalties don't even stand up to the benefits | 16:32 | |
| and I think that's the real problem, | 16:35 | |
| is how you're going to live, not where you're | 16:36 | |
| going to end up because of your living. | 16:38 | |
| (audience applauds) | 16:40 | |
| - | Can you ask (mumbles)? | 16:44 |
| - | No, let's read the whole thing. | 16:45 |
| - | Forgive me for interrupting this, | 16:48 |
| but I get very few telegrams and as yet, | 16:51 | |
| we as a group have gotten very few and I think it was | 16:56 | |
| on the same general subject, and this just came in. | 16:58 | |
| Benjamin E. Mays is a longtime friend | 17:02 | |
| of Dr. Martin Luther King's. | 17:05 | |
| Martin Luther King revered him as a great teacher | 17:07 | |
| and Martin Luther King asked him if he were killed ever, | 17:09 | |
| if Dr. Mays would please do his eulogy. | 17:14 | |
| And so it will be tomorrow. | 17:18 | |
| Dr. Benjamin E. Mays is going to eulogize | 17:20 | |
| Martin Luther King in Atlanta. | 17:23 | |
| This telegram. | 17:25 | |
| Dr. John Strange, individual students. | 17:26 | |
| I have learned of your dedicated action | 17:29 | |
| in memory of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. | 17:31 | |
| As students like you are interested in racial justice | 17:33 | |
| and are determined to carry on the noble work | 17:37 | |
| that Dr. Martin Luther King did, | 17:40 | |
| he will not have died in vain. | 17:42 | |
| (audience applauds) | 17:45 | |
| - | There was a girl over there who had a question. | 18:22 |
| - | Let's say (mumbles) and get a question in the audience | 18:25 |
| before we do another one. | 18:26 | |
| - | I think what Mr. Harris is talking about | 18:28 |
| is what you people are doing here tonight. | 18:30 | |
| You're standing up while sitting down. | 18:33 | |
| Excuse my (mumbles). | 18:34 | |
| So what you're believing in | 18:35 | |
| and I think it's fantastic that it's happening at Duke. | 18:37 | |
| (laughter) | 18:41 | |
| So are there any questions in the audience? | 18:43 | |
| Over here. | 18:46 | |
| - | I'd like to address. | 18:49 |
| - | Want to use it? | 18:51 |
| - | Want to use this (mumbles)? | |
| - | Yeah, please. | 18:52 |
| Mr. Harris, concerning your speech, how do you | 18:53 | |
| justify the assumption that 80% of the world's people | 18:56 | |
| are in misery because of the American | 18:59 | |
| military establishment? | 19:02 | |
| (audience applauds) | 19:04 | |
| - | First I said that our military establishment | 19:10 |
| exists as one of the reason and then what I'd say. | 19:12 | |
| (man mumbles) | 19:15 | |
| We spend more money on armaments every month | 19:20 | |
| for the war in Vietnam than is necessary to feed | 19:23 | |
| every starving person in the world today. | 19:25 | |
| (audience applauds) | 19:28 | |
| Second, I would say one of the reasons that people | 19:34 | |
| are miserable around the world is that they have | 19:36 | |
| no control over the resources that they work | 19:39 | |
| and that they have no control over how the roots | 19:41 | |
| of those resources are distributed. | 19:44 | |
| I think one other, | 19:47 | |
| the primary factors in the fact that they have | 19:50 | |
| no control is the American military | 19:51 | |
| because America basically follows an imperialistic | 19:53 | |
| foreign policy, which involved America's controlling | 19:56 | |
| of the governments of countries all around the world. | 19:57 | |
| The primary instrument in controlling those governments | 20:01 | |
| is the American military and the threat | 20:02 | |
| of the use of American military force. | 20:05 | |
| I think very clearly if one can direct | 20:07 | |
| the problem of wealth distribution to the problem | 20:11 | |
| of the people's misery, I think the American military | 20:14 | |
| is greatly involved in that. | 20:16 | |
| For example, let's say you get a country | 20:17 | |
| like Guatemala where 600 people in Guatemala | 20:21 | |
| control over 90% of the land. | 20:24 | |
| Now in Guatemala city, if you've ever been there, | 20:27 | |
| there are three buildings downtown. | 20:31 | |
| The first building is the seat of the Guatemalan government, | 20:33 | |
| the second office is of the United Fruit Company, | 20:36 | |
| which is an American company, | 20:40 | |
| and the third is the United States embassy. | 20:41 | |
| They're all linked, and I think that's typical | 20:43 | |
| of how the country like Guatemala is run. | 20:46 | |
| It's run under the threat of American military force, | 20:48 | |
| as I think most of what's called the free world | 20:50 | |
| is run and I think if you're trying. | 20:52 | |
| (audience member applauds) | 20:54 | |
| If you're going to try and understand how those people | 20:55 | |
| can bed on their lawn, I think the first conclusion | 20:56 | |
| that you reach is that the resources from their country | 20:58 | |
| and the resources of their work ought to go | 21:01 | |
| to benefiting those people. | 21:04 | |
| I think one of the primary reasons they do not | 21:06 | |
| go to benefiting those people is that American military | 21:08 | |
| force controls their governments and controls | 21:10 | |
| how decisions in those countries are made | 21:12 | |
| and I think if there's ever going to be an end | 21:14 | |
| to the misery of people in the world, | 21:18 | |
| it means a whole free alignment of the distribution | 21:19 | |
| of resources and that we in the United States | 21:23 | |
| have to face the fact | 21:25 | |
| that we have, in our hands, the resources | 21:26 | |
| of really curing the fact of starvation | 21:29 | |
| and misery amongst people. | 21:31 | |
| Now in the United States, when you made the decision | 21:33 | |
| that that end to starvation for the people | 21:36 | |
| around the world is much less important | 21:39 | |
| than building the American military because 83% | 21:40 | |
| of your tax dollar goes to filling that military. | 21:42 | |
| And I think it's that kind of decision | 21:45 | |
| and that kind of mentality that the American military | 21:48 | |
| represents that are very directly responsible | 21:51 | |
| for the misery of people around the world | 21:53 | |
| and I think that's a very clear situation | 21:55 | |
| for most anyone in the world today. | 21:57 | |
| (audience applauds) | 21:59 | |
| - | The girl out there. | 22:05 |
| The young lady. | 22:06 | |
| - | Barbara. | |
| (woman mumbles) | 22:08 | |
| - | You want to come up and ask him in this? | 22:10 |
| - | We only have time for one more question | 22:11 |
| because Dean Clelan has to give a prayer or something. | 22:13 | |
| - | Okay, go ahead. | 22:17 |
| - | (mumbles) restrictions to go to jail | 22:18 |
| and which hospital and jail of another key professor. | 22:20 | |
| - | As you can see, we are not able | 22:24 |
| to pick up the questioning. | 22:27 | |
| - | The question was, did I A, ever expect to go | 22:28 |
| to jail and B, how do I feel about going to jail | 22:31 | |
| as opposed to means of evading the draft, | 22:34 | |
| like leaving the country? | 22:37 | |
| And first, yes, I expect to go to jail. | 22:38 | |
| I'm presently on trial and I expect probably | 22:40 | |
| that I'll never see this month outside of a jail | 22:43 | |
| for a while again and I expect realistically | 22:46 | |
| that I'll probably be sent some time in late fall. | 22:49 | |
| And secondly I'd say that I wouldn't leave | 22:53 | |
| the United States of America to escape cancer | 22:56 | |
| and I don't think you can leave it | 22:57 | |
| to escape the disease that I think America | 22:59 | |
| is presently in the grips of. | 23:01 | |
| And I think the militarism and the inhumanity | 23:02 | |
| that generally characterize Americans' relationship | 23:06 | |
| to the world and the relationship to the world | 23:09 | |
| and the relationship to itself are only going to be stopped | 23:11 | |
| by people standing to it | 23:12 | |
| right here, right now, | 23:14 | |
| and that I think it's important that all of us | 23:16 | |
| do that standing to it and I think | 23:21 | |
| if you're concerned with, in fact, | 23:23 | |
| altering what the nature of American society now is, | 23:25 | |
| you can't do that from Canada and you can't | 23:28 | |
| do that by running. | 23:30 | |
| If you want to work with the American people, | 23:31 | |
| that it seems to be that the first obligation | 23:33 | |
| you have is to share the conditions with those people, | 23:35 | |
| which means that you don't have the option of leaving. | 23:37 | |
| You have the option of staying and sharing with people | 23:41 | |
| and I think that that, | 23:43 | |
| I would grant anybody the integrity of his choice | 23:46 | |
| and if he goes to Canada, then that's fine by me. | 23:48 | |
| I'll support him as a human being, but I don't think | 23:51 | |
| it has any relationship to the political fact | 23:53 | |
| of what's happening in America today | 23:55 | |
| and I don't think America will ever be stopped by that. | 23:57 | |
| And my central concern is with stopping what's happening | 23:59 | |
| now in America. | 24:01 | |
| - | Is that the end? | 24:02 |
| (audience applauds) | 24:04 | |
| (woman mumbles) | 24:07 | |
| - | Do you want to say something (mumbles)? | 24:11 |
| - | Who is doing what? | 24:12 |
| - | Because if you don't want to. | 24:14 |
| - | The Dean of the chapel | 24:15 |
| - | Let him (mumbles) | |
| his prayer. | 24:16 | |
| - | Is going to pray | |
| and then could you (mumbles)? | 24:18 | |
| Okay. | 24:19 | |
| - | The three panel members are going to remain | 24:20 |
| until after Dean Clelan leads the group in his prayer | 24:21 | |
| or prayers, and then Ms. Baez will lead us | 24:25 | |
| in a song or two. | 24:29 | |
| So you introduce him. | 24:31 | |
| - | I'd like to take this opportunity | 24:33 |
| to introduce Dead Clelan. | 24:35 | |
| Dean Clelan is dean of the Duke Chapel. | 24:37 | |
| - | Where is he? | 24:39 |
| He needs his prayerbook. | 24:40 | |
| - | Is he standing over there? | 24:42 |
| (laughter) | 24:43 | |
| - | I'm sorry, I delayed. | 24:44 |
| I'm tired. | 24:46 | |
| James B. Duke Scolar, right? | 24:47 | |
| (laughter) | 24:49 | |
| I'm sorry. | 24:50 | |
| James B. Duke, | 24:51 | |
| James B. Duke, professor and he has signed our statement | 24:53 | |
| and we are very honored to have him with us. | 24:56 | |
| (audience applauds) | 24:57 | |
| - | He's got me wrong on about three counts. | 25:13 |
| I'm not a James B. Duke Scholar and I'm not bright enough | 25:15 | |
| to be a James B. Duke Scholar. | 25:18 | |
| I'm just a James B. Duke professor. | 25:19 | |
| (laughter) | 25:21 | |
| There's a great difference. | 25:22 | |
| Secondly, I signed the statement with one reservation | 25:23 | |
| and you ought to know that so that at least honesty | 25:25 | |
| comes along with a certain amount of love. | 25:27 | |
| And thirdly, I want to take you seriously. | 25:30 | |
| I am going to pray (laughs). | 25:32 | |
| And I remember at the Air Force Academy, the cadets | 25:36 | |
| couldn't decide whether to pray at the chapel | 25:38 | |
| or in the chapel, or for the chapel. | 25:39 | |
| (audience laughs) | 25:42 | |
| And I'm going to pray with you. | 25:44 | |
| Now I realize we are divided. | 25:46 | |
| Very definitely. | 25:48 | |
| Protestants, Roman Catholics, Jews, Agnostics. | 25:49 | |
| But you've asked me to pray and I think | 25:53 | |
| with integrity, I must. | 25:55 | |
| Therefore, let us pray. | 25:57 | |
| All things come home at eventide | 26:00 | |
| and we come home to thee, the father of our spirit, | 26:04 | |
| not because we are good, but because we are | 26:10 | |
| thy children, not because we are worthy, | 26:15 | |
| but because we are thy sons and daughters | 26:20 | |
| and home is the place where they must take us in. | 26:23 | |
| Let us offer unto God a prayer of confession. | 26:30 | |
| Forgive us our sins, oh God, | 26:34 | |
| the sins of our souls and the sins of our bodies. | 26:36 | |
| Forgive us our casual sins and our deliberate sins, | 26:42 | |
| the sins which we have done to please others, | 26:48 | |
| the sins which we have done to please ourselves. | 26:52 | |
| Forgive us then, oh Lord, forgive them | 26:57 | |
| because thou art a father and we are like children. | 27:01 | |
| Let us offer a prayer of intercession | 27:07 | |
| for the widow in the family | 27:09 | |
| of Martin Luther King Jr., martyr. | 27:12 | |
| Oh God, who see us (mumbles) | 27:19 | |
| where sense only comes | 27:22 | |
| because we lack imagination through tragedy | 27:26 | |
| and whose saints must die in every generation | 27:32 | |
| because we cannot learn from the past. | 27:35 | |
| We give thee thanks for yet another marker, | 27:41 | |
| but we commend unto thee a woman and four children | 27:44 | |
| who are left in a broken home. | 27:50 | |
| And grant that what we seek to do on this campus for others | 27:54 | |
| may be inspired as if we were doing it | 27:58 | |
| for that family in Atlanta. | 28:02 | |
| And lastly, let us offer a prayer of dedication, | 28:08 | |
| an old prayer, a prayer of St. Augustin | 28:10 | |
| from the 16th century. | 28:13 | |
| Oh God who hast warned us, | 28:16 | |
| that much will be required of those | 28:18 | |
| to whom much is given. | 28:21 | |
| Grant that we whose lot is cast | 28:25 | |
| in so pleasant a place may seek to extend | 28:26 | |
| to others what we so richly enjoy | 28:30 | |
| and as we have entered into the labors of other men, | 28:33 | |
| so to labor that in their term, | 28:38 | |
| others may enter into ours | 28:41 | |
| to thy glory and for our good health. | 28:44 | |
| Amen. | 28:50 | |
| ♪ We shall overcome ♪ | 28:58 | |
| ♪ We shall overcome ♪ | 29:03 | |
| ♪ We shall overcome ♪ | 29:08 | |
| ♪ Someday ♪ | 29:12 | |
| ♪ Oh ♪ | 29:17 | |
| ♪ Deep in my heart ♪ | 29:18 | |
| ♪ I know that ♪ | 29:22 | |
| ♪ I do believe ♪ | 29:24 | |
| ♪ Oh ♪ | 29:27 | |
| ♪ We shall overcome ♪ | 29:29 | |
| ♪ Someday ♪ | 29:32 | |
| - | We walk hand in hand. | 29:35 |
| ♪ We walk hand in hand ♪ | 29:37 | |
| ♪ We walk ♪ | 29:41 |
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