Tape 143 - Economic outlook for 1974
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| - | Welcome once again as MIT Professor Paul Samuelson | 0:02 |
| discusses the current economic scene. | 0:05 | |
| This series is produced | 0:07 | |
| by Instructional Dynamics Incorporated. | 0:08 | |
| This program was recorded December 20th. | 0:10 | |
| - | This is the occasion for my annual outlook tape | 0:14 |
| on what's going to happen to the American economy in 1974. | 0:20 | |
| A year ago, I had the same task | 0:30 | |
| to try to peer into the future | 0:34 | |
| and decide how the odds looked | 0:37 | |
| with respect to the American economy in 1973. | 0:39 | |
| It's worth a word or two at the beginning | 0:45 | |
| to go back to that time to see how things developed in 1973 | 0:47 | |
| and compare that with how they looked to be a year ago. | 0:51 | |
| At the turn of the year from 1972 to 1973, | 1:00 | |
| there was the usual fashionable forecast | 1:04 | |
| that the fashionable forecast | 1:08 | |
| was on the whole an optimistic one. | 1:10 | |
| It predicted a strong increase in money GNP. | 1:15 | |
| It looked forward to a continuation | 1:21 | |
| of substantial real growth | 1:26 | |
| not as rapidly as in 1972 itself, | 1:30 | |
| but more rapidly than is required just to keep up | 1:35 | |
| with the long term trend of the American economy. | 1:41 | |
| And that fashionable forecast was reasonably optimistic | 1:43 | |
| with respect to some abatement | 1:48 | |
| of the rate of price inflation. | 1:51 | |
| Indeed, it was in the backwash | 1:55 | |
| of that rather optimistic fashionable forecast | 1:58 | |
| that the Nixon economic team | 2:03 | |
| made the fateful decision on January 11th 1973 | 2:06 | |
| to suspend the phase two price controls. | 2:11 | |
| How did things shape up? | 2:17 | |
| In the event, we now know that the money GNP | 2:20 | |
| did increase strongly in 1973. | 2:27 | |
| The experts were right in that respect | 2:31 | |
| but they were not right for precisely the correct reasons | 2:34 | |
| because the experts all underestimated | 2:40 | |
| the degree of price inflation. | 2:45 | |
| They underestimated the degree of food price inflation | 2:47 | |
| in the first part of the year. | 2:50 | |
| These are supply and demand prices. | 2:51 | |
| They underestimated the amount of increase | 2:54 | |
| in industrial prices under the decontrol program | 2:57 | |
| as the phase two was gutted on January 11th. | 3:04 | |
| And the experts overestimated the rate of real GNP growth. | 3:11 | |
| This is very striking because within a couple of months, | 3:19 | |
| two to three months after the turn of the year, | 3:25 | |
| the more canny of the experts were changing their tune. | 3:28 | |
| And you could see the new fashionable forecast forming. | 3:32 | |
| And actually if we turn to the shading | 3:37 | |
| which had taken place by March | 3:42 | |
| from the January unmitigated optimism, | 3:44 | |
| it had moved in the following way. | 3:51 | |
| Namely, there was then by March | 3:55 | |
| came to be universal agreement | 3:58 | |
| among the fashionable forecasters, the experts, | 4:00 | |
| that there would be a growth rate slow down in real terms | 4:03 | |
| in the last half of the year. | 4:08 | |
| And as a matter of fact, | 4:10 | |
| they shifted their position just in time | 4:12 | |
| because just as they were shifting their position | 4:15 | |
| in the second quarter itself, | 4:17 | |
| the so-called growth recession already began to set in. | 4:19 | |
| So I would say that this has been a pretty good year | 4:24 | |
| for the experts. | 4:30 | |
| I was at a meeting just recently | 4:31 | |
| and they were all congratulating themselves | 4:33 | |
| on how closely they had hit the year. | 4:36 | |
| I was not quite as congratulatory to them | 4:39 | |
| as they were to themselves because there was after all | 4:42 | |
| that period from January to March | 4:46 | |
| before they really got the word of what was going to happen. | 4:48 | |
| Namely, that we would be moving | 4:55 | |
| into the growth recession sooner than before. | 4:59 | |
| Actually, there's a panel of 60 economists | 5:04 | |
| followed by the American Statistical Association | 5:08 | |
| and their median forecast has done pretty well | 5:11 | |
| over the years. | 5:15 | |
| It does as well as the random experts | 5:17 | |
| in the fashionable forecast. | 5:20 | |
| It does better than pure monetarism | 5:22 | |
| and it does better than non-judgmental computer forecasts, | 5:26 | |
| but perhaps not quite as well | 5:33 | |
| as the very best of the eclectic | 5:36 | |
| computer judgmental forecasters. | 5:39 | |
| Well, more interesting perhaps | 5:44 | |
| than the median figure given by the experts | 5:47 | |
| was a number which they collect | 5:50 | |
| which is the probability of a downturn | 5:52 | |
| two months ahead, four months ahead, and so forth. | 5:55 | |
| And already by the end of 1972, | 5:59 | |
| the probability of a downturn ahead | 6:05 | |
| was going up on the part of these experts. | 6:07 | |
| One of the reasons that the experts are complacent | 6:12 | |
| is that they give themselves the alibi | 6:15 | |
| that they couldn't have foreseen the increase | 6:17 | |
| in food prices and other prices. | 6:19 | |
| Well, if in the year | 6:23 | |
| when your price forecast turns out right, you take credit, | 6:25 | |
| then I would say those who take credit for the sun | 6:28 | |
| must be prepared to be blamed for the rain in some part. | 6:32 | |
| And so that is a defect of the forecasting art | 6:36 | |
| if price increases happen because of exogenous factors, | 6:41 | |
| harvests, and so forth, | 6:46 | |
| and if you aren't able to predict those, | 6:47 | |
| then you must admit that that is part | 6:49 | |
| of the imprecision of your forecasting ability. | 6:51 | |
| Let's turn from the past to what the outlook is ahead. | 6:56 | |
| And here, I think we should do it in two steps. | 7:04 | |
| We should begin with what the outlook was | 7:07 | |
| prior to the October war in the Mid East | 7:11 | |
| because once again there was forming a consensus, | 7:15 | |
| a clustering of the fashionable forecasters | 7:20 | |
| around a particular scenario. | 7:24 | |
| That scenario, you know very well. | 7:26 | |
| It was that 1974 was to be a year of growth recession. | 7:29 | |
| That the real output in 1974 was to grow positively. | 7:34 | |
| It was not to be a national bureau year | 7:43 | |
| of genuine recession, | 7:45 | |
| not even of the mini-recession type. | 7:47 | |
| But that positive rate of growth of real output | 7:50 | |
| in the four quarters of 1974 | 7:54 | |
| was to average out perhaps at 2% per year annual rate, | 7:58 | |
| 3% per year annual rate. | 8:03 | |
| Some of the fashionable forecasters might have said 1%. | 8:06 | |
| But within that range, | 8:11 | |
| you would capture most of their forecasts. | 8:12 | |
| They also forecast there would be | 8:16 | |
| some degree of inflation abatement | 8:18 | |
| so that instead of enjoying or suffering | 8:21 | |
| a 7% rate of increase in price inflation | 8:26 | |
| of the overall price index that's used as the GNP deflator | 8:31 | |
| which is what we did experience in '73. | 8:36 | |
| In '74, the optimists thought | 8:39 | |
| that we might go down to 5%, five and a half percent. | 8:43 | |
| There were a few optimists who even went down below that | 8:48 | |
| and a few optimists, | 8:51 | |
| and now I mean a few optimists | 8:53 | |
| with a good forecasting record, | 8:55 | |
| who thought that as far | 8:57 | |
| as the cost of living index is concerned, | 8:58 | |
| the improvement in the rate of inflation | 9:00 | |
| might be even more than that. | 9:03 | |
| You could begin to talk in some of the quarters in 1974 | 9:04 | |
| of 3% rate of increase in prices and not more than that. | 9:08 | |
| This growth recession did mean | 9:17 | |
| some lessening of the steam in the economic boiler. | 9:21 | |
| It would imply some upward climb | 9:24 | |
| in the rate of unemployment. | 9:28 | |
| But the unemployment rate which had gone down | 9:31 | |
| in the fall of this year | 9:34 | |
| just before the Mid East war to four and a half percent | 9:37 | |
| could stand a bit of climb | 9:43 | |
| in the view of lots of economists, | 9:46 | |
| particularly non-university business economists. | 9:49 | |
| They were concerned whether the natural rate of unemployment | 9:52 | |
| at which inflation would begin to accelerate | 9:56 | |
| was as low as four and a half percent. | 9:58 | |
| So they thought of us as being in an overheated economy, | 10:00 | |
| the result in part of stimulating the economy | 10:04 | |
| for an election year. | 10:08 | |
| And so they were prepared to suffer. | 10:11 | |
| Of course, they wouldn't be out of jobs, | 10:15 | |
| but they were prepared to suffer fairly cheerfully | 10:17 | |
| an increase in the unemployment rate | 10:21 | |
| from four and a half percent | 10:22 | |
| to four and three quarter percent, | 10:23 | |
| to 5%, to five and a quarter percent, | 10:25 | |
| five and a third percent. | 10:28 | |
| And they were only going to begin to worry | 10:29 | |
| about that unemployment rate | 10:31 | |
| if it seemed to threaten to go to five and a half percent | 10:33 | |
| and above five and a half percent. | 10:38 | |
| With respect to profits, | 10:41 | |
| there was some spread of opinion among the forecasters, | 10:44 | |
| but on the assumption that the decontrol program | 10:48 | |
| would be favored by the administration | 10:53 | |
| and politically, it would be acceptable. | 10:55 | |
| They had some optimism that profits would not fall off | 11:00 | |
| in this growth recession in any degree. | 11:06 | |
| Some of them had a very slight drop in profits. | 11:10 | |
| Some had profits level throughout the growth recession | 11:13 | |
| to be followed by a climb later. | 11:17 | |
| And some even had an increase in profits. | 11:19 | |
| I'm of course speaking of money profits. | 11:23 | |
| Those are the kind that the accountants let you report. | 11:26 | |
| As an afterthought, many analysts pointed out | 11:30 | |
| that those profits were swollen | 11:34 | |
| by inventory valuation upward adjustments | 11:36 | |
| due to the inflation itself. | 11:39 | |
| And so if you put everything on a reproduction cost basis | 11:41 | |
| including the cost of reproducing the machinery | 11:44 | |
| that was being depreciated during the year | 11:47 | |
| in order to produce the output on which you made a profit, | 11:49 | |
| then you would find that your real profits | 11:53 | |
| corrected for price inflation | 11:56 | |
| were by no means as rosy as the reported money profits. | 11:58 | |
| The dollar looked as if it was going to improve. | 12:07 | |
| The medicine of exchange rate devaluation (mumbling) | 12:10 | |
| that took place in February. | 12:16 | |
| The even stronger medicine more often applied | 12:18 | |
| of depreciation of the dollar | 12:22 | |
| relative to some key currencies | 12:24 | |
| which took place in February | 12:26 | |
| and in March on an official basis | 12:29 | |
| and which continued on a floating basis | 12:31 | |
| of pretty much of a clean float basis up until June | 12:34 | |
| meant that the dollar | 12:40 | |
| was becoming more comparative all the time. | 12:42 | |
| And although we were troubled by our rate of inflation | 12:45 | |
| here in this country in 1973 and in 1972, | 12:48 | |
| when we looked abroad, | 12:52 | |
| we realized that the rate of inflation abroad | 12:53 | |
| was even greater than here. | 12:55 | |
| And so more and more of our export industries | 12:57 | |
| felt that they were becoming competitive. | 13:00 | |
| A very good example, of course, a dramatic example | 13:04 | |
| is that of the compact car and the mini car in Detroit, | 13:07 | |
| the American Motors Company cars, | 13:11 | |
| the Ford Maverick, the Javelin, the Vega, the Pinto. | 13:14 | |
| These were holding fairly constant with respect to price | 13:21 | |
| at a time when Volkswagens were going up in price | 13:25 | |
| in part because of the depreciation of the dollar | 13:30 | |
| which meant the appreciation of the mark. | 13:34 | |
| The Toyota, the Datsun, the Mazda, the Honda, | 13:36 | |
| they too were going up in price. | 13:41 | |
| More than that, with food scarce all around the world | 13:44 | |
| with the United States having in Iowa | 13:48 | |
| on our commercial farms | 13:50 | |
| great comparative advantage in foodstuffs, | 13:52 | |
| we were finding ourselves with very ready markets | 13:55 | |
| and at high prices. | 13:58 | |
| You might say that what the Arabian countries | 14:00 | |
| are experiencing this year | 14:04 | |
| which is a very high price for their exports, | 14:05 | |
| we were experiencing early in the year for our foodstuffs. | 14:08 | |
| And therefore, there was a very nice comeback | 14:16 | |
| in our merchandise balance of payments, | 14:20 | |
| a comeback in our current balance of payments | 14:24 | |
| on current accounts including invisibles, | 14:28 | |
| net export surplus rising nicely. | 14:31 | |
| And the basic deficit which takes into account | 14:34 | |
| the fact that the United States became a pretty good place | 14:38 | |
| to buy into, to invest in, to buy land if you were Japanese, | 14:41 | |
| to buy stocks if you were from Western Europe. | 14:47 | |
| The basic deficit was also improving. | 14:50 | |
| And so one had reason to look forward | 14:54 | |
| to a continuation of this trend. | 14:57 | |
| All in all, since following periods | 15:00 | |
| of overly strong expansion, | 15:04 | |
| there tends to be some need for periods of relaxation | 15:07 | |
| the way we have to run our mixed economy these days. | 15:12 | |
| That was a fairly cheerful picture | 15:18 | |
| and although it didn't seem so cheerful to many of us | 15:21 | |
| who were making that forecast at the time, | 15:24 | |
| in retrospect, we look back with nostalgia upon it. | 15:26 | |
| Then came the Mid East War. | 15:31 | |
| The impact of the belligerency itself on the economics | 15:34 | |
| is not particularly notable. | 15:40 | |
| Obviously, that was a very intensely fought war. | 15:43 | |
| It meant that inventories of tanks | 15:47 | |
| and munitions were depleted on both sides | 15:49 | |
| so it meant some nice reorders for the Russians | 15:52 | |
| on the part of the oil liquid Arabians, | 15:55 | |
| those countries which had oil giving Egypt and Syria | 16:02 | |
| which didn't have oil the revenues | 16:06 | |
| to support them in that rearming. | 16:09 | |
| It meant to some degree for the U.S. repurchases | 16:11 | |
| either by the Israelis who were paying for it themselves | 16:16 | |
| out of their own resources | 16:21 | |
| or to the degree that we were making loans, | 16:23 | |
| or putting it in the cuff, | 16:27 | |
| or making gifts as the so-called aid program, | 16:28 | |
| it meant some increase for the defense business, | 16:32 | |
| but this is negligible. | 16:35 | |
| If you reckon the total of this | 16:36 | |
| in comparison with what is needed | 16:39 | |
| to change the business situation for 1974, | 16:43 | |
| the Mid East War as a war | 16:48 | |
| has no important macroeconomic repercussions | 16:50 | |
| on Western Europe, on Russia, or on the United States. | 16:53 | |
| But in the aftermath of the war, | 16:58 | |
| we did have developing the oil boycott. | 17:00 | |
| The OPEC Monopoly of 1216 leading oil producers | 17:04 | |
| primarily in the Persian Gulf but not all of them Arabian | 17:11 | |
| was already flexing its muscles | 17:16 | |
| and increasing prices all the time. | 17:19 | |
| There was squeeze play on. | 17:21 | |
| Typical monopoly operation. | 17:23 | |
| And isolating each of the big consuming countries, | 17:25 | |
| some of which were very dependent upon Mid East oil. | 17:29 | |
| I'm thinking of Western Europe and Japan in particular. | 17:33 | |
| The monopolist was able to strike some very sharp bargains. | 17:36 | |
| From the standpoint of the monopolist | 17:42 | |
| and from the standpoint of the non-Arabian countries, | 17:44 | |
| the war was a godsend | 17:47 | |
| because it enabled a vast increase in the price of oil. | 17:50 | |
| And so the whole outlook has changed. | 17:55 | |
| If we are to have for as long as say half a year of 1974 | 17:58 | |
| a shortfall in oil from the Mid East | 18:05 | |
| which by the President's reckoning | 18:08 | |
| will be in the order of magnitude of 17% of our oil needs. | 18:11 | |
| Let's say three million barrels per day | 18:17 | |
| out of an 18 million barrels per day needed. | 18:20 | |
| Then all of the fashionable forecasters | 18:25 | |
| began to go back to their computers, | 18:28 | |
| began to recompute the picture | 18:29 | |
| and they were able to find | 18:31 | |
| that we went from a likely growth recession | 18:34 | |
| with minority odds for a genuine recession | 18:37 | |
| in which you had | 18:41 | |
| at least two quarters of drop in real output | 18:42 | |
| to the odds favoring that real recession. | 18:45 | |
| And so I have to say | 18:51 | |
| that premised upon that prudent man's view | 18:53 | |
| with respect to energy | 18:57 | |
| that 1974 is going to be a year of genuine recession. | 18:59 | |
| The first half of the year is going to be weak. | 19:05 | |
| That output is going to decline | 19:08 | |
| for the first half of the year. | 19:09 | |
| The unemployement, if it was previously going to grow | 19:11 | |
| to five and a third percent, | 19:14 | |
| perhaps five and a half percent, | 19:15 | |
| then I have to go along with the fashionable forecasters | 19:17 | |
| who think that by the end of 1974, | 19:20 | |
| we'll be talking about 6% unemployment. | 19:23 | |
| In the case of some forecasters, even more. | 19:28 | |
| Now, I'm going to qualify this if proposition | 19:31 | |
| about energy in a moment, | 19:36 | |
| but let's stick with it | 19:38 | |
| because I think a prudent man must do so | 19:39 | |
| in the absence of knowledge to the contrary. | 19:43 | |
| This means for the year 1974, stagflation with a vengeance | 19:46 | |
| because instead of there being an abatement | 19:51 | |
| of the rate of price inflation, | 19:54 | |
| whatever abatement there may tend to be | 19:56 | |
| with respect to foodstuffs, | 19:59 | |
| whatever abatement there would tend to be | 20:02 | |
| with respect to international metals | 20:05 | |
| because Europe is going to be in a growth recession | 20:07 | |
| or now with an energy cut off to her too | 20:12 | |
| and I'll include Japan in this. | 20:16 | |
| She's going to move into a more genuine recessions. | 20:18 | |
| Whatever abatement you could have expected | 20:23 | |
| on the rate of inflation from those factors | 20:25 | |
| is going to be much more than outweighed | 20:27 | |
| by the increase in the cost of energy itself | 20:29 | |
| which is dramatic. | 20:33 | |
| Many of my listeners will have known that just a week ago, | 20:35 | |
| 86 million barrels of oil were sold at auction by Iran | 20:40 | |
| not at the one dollar and two dollar price per barrel | 20:46 | |
| which was typical of just a couple of years ago, | 20:51 | |
| not at the three and four dollar per barrel | 20:53 | |
| which are typical of what's going on now, | 20:56 | |
| but at the 16 dollars a barrel | 21:00 | |
| and for low sulfur oil, | 21:03 | |
| for as much as 17 dollars and 40 cents a barrel. | 21:05 | |
| The part of the country where I am, | 21:09 | |
| we're beginning now to get the fuel bills | 21:11 | |
| which have gone up from 20 cents to 40 cents a unit. | 21:14 | |
| And the end is not yet. | 21:21 | |
| So when you take into account the energy induced shortages. | 21:25 | |
| I just saw a large tire company. | 21:30 | |
| I saw a letter to their suppliers | 21:31 | |
| speaking of a 26% increase | 21:33 | |
| in the price of tires by the spring. | 21:35 | |
| I make that out to be an annual rate of 100%. | 21:38 | |
| There is no way of reckoning all these matters | 21:42 | |
| without having for the first half of the year | 21:46 | |
| a horrendous increase in the annual rate | 21:50 | |
| of the cost of living index. | 21:55 | |
| In fact, everybody should begin to talk | 21:58 | |
| about the GNP deflator | 21:59 | |
| because that won't show quite such horrendous figures. | 22:01 | |
| And so we're now talking about stagflation. | 22:06 | |
| On this basis, a drop in profits is implied year over year. | 22:10 | |
| A drop in profits is implied | 22:15 | |
| from the fourth quarter of this year where we are now | 22:19 | |
| to the fourth quarter of next year | 22:23 | |
| even though that may be followed, | 22:25 | |
| according to the most fashionable forecast, | 22:27 | |
| by an increase in profits | 22:30 | |
| from say the fourth quarter of a year from now | 22:32 | |
| to the middle of 1975. | 22:35 | |
| I've looked at a round up of the conventional wisdom | 22:40 | |
| and it's amazing how a monetarist economist | 22:46 | |
| who does detailed forecasting has a figure | 22:52 | |
| which is just like that of a Keynesian economist. | 22:56 | |
| The different consulting firms, | 23:02 | |
| the Wharton School model, | 23:05 | |
| they all show pretty much a similar picture. | 23:07 | |
| And therefore, in summary, | 23:14 | |
| that is the single most likely picture. | 23:19 | |
| However, more valuable than having a particular number | 23:23 | |
| is to have a probability spread. | 23:29 | |
| And so I must call your attention | 23:33 | |
| to something very important. | 23:35 | |
| If you've read the London Economist | 23:38 | |
| this last week as I'm speaking, | 23:40 | |
| you will have been alerted to the fact | 23:42 | |
| that there may be an element of charade going on | 23:44 | |
| in the oil boycott. | 23:47 | |
| If you calculate how many tankers | 23:49 | |
| have been loaded in the last weeks of the boycott | 23:52 | |
| from the Persian Gulf on their way to Western Europe, | 23:57 | |
| to Japan, to the United States, | 24:01 | |
| then you would expect a tremendous shortfall | 24:03 | |
| from an earlier period | 24:06 | |
| or from what could have been expected from this period. | 24:07 | |
| And yet when the alert journalist of the London Economist | 24:09 | |
| did their numerical exercise, | 24:14 | |
| they found that not to be the case. | 24:17 | |
| I heard from a well-placed journalist | 24:21 | |
| with respect to Japan that he couldn't understand | 24:24 | |
| how the flow of oil was still continuing there | 24:26 | |
| in view of the tough talk of the Arabian nations | 24:29 | |
| and in view of the cries of pain | 24:32 | |
| by the Japanese government and the Japanese public. | 24:35 | |
| He still couldn't see it in the actual tangible statistics. | 24:39 | |
| Even Holland which is being made the special victim | 24:44 | |
| of a power play of diplomacy | 24:48 | |
| seems to have in Rotterdam pretty good inventories. | 24:50 | |
| A bank economist in the Midwest took a poll | 24:57 | |
| of the customers of his bank | 25:01 | |
| and not one of them had yet suffered | 25:03 | |
| from any energy shortage. | 25:05 | |
| And only one out of a fairly considerable number | 25:07 | |
| had legitimate grounds, | 25:12 | |
| tangible grounds for concern for the months ahead. | 25:15 | |
| So the conventional wisdom is beginning to think | 25:20 | |
| the three million barrels per day | 25:24 | |
| is not the correct number, the 17% number. | 25:26 | |
| The oil foundation research unit | 25:33 | |
| put the number down from three and a half million per day | 25:35 | |
| to two and a half million per day. | 25:40 | |
| And so we're getting a revisionist viewpoint. | 25:41 | |
| Moreover, the whole point of this | 25:45 | |
| is for the purpose of resting concessions from Israel. | 25:47 | |
| The only way to get those concessions from Israel | 25:52 | |
| is to put pressure on the United States | 25:56 | |
| to put pressure on Israel | 25:58 | |
| because Israel needs the munitions to maintain her security. | 26:00 | |
| And so if there seems to be some semblance | 26:08 | |
| of successful pressure on the United States | 26:13 | |
| and for this purpose, you know, | 26:18 | |
| the threat of an oil boycott, | 26:20 | |
| a Potemkin oil boycott, an unreal one | 26:22 | |
| may be as effective in terms of public relations | 26:25 | |
| as a real one. | 26:27 | |
| If there's effective pressure on Europe and Japan | 26:28 | |
| to put effective pressure on the United States | 26:31 | |
| to put effective pressure on Israel to make concessions. | 26:35 | |
| And if the Russians are able | 26:41 | |
| to put some kind of effective pressure on the Arabians | 26:44 | |
| to seem to be going along with the concessions, | 26:48 | |
| and we don't know what the Russian interest is | 26:52 | |
| whether their interest is in making trouble here. | 26:54 | |
| The fact that we have detente going | 26:58 | |
| doesn't mean a thing | 27:00 | |
| in terms of you're being able to predict | 27:01 | |
| what's going to happen. | 27:02 | |
| I may also say nobody has the slightest reason to know | 27:04 | |
| whether some concessions made by Israel | 27:08 | |
| will in fact in any degree satiate | 27:12 | |
| the desires of the Arabian countries. | 27:15 | |
| Henry Kissinger doesn't know that. | 27:19 | |
| He cannot know that. | 27:21 | |
| And I'm not sure the powers that be | 27:23 | |
| in the principle Arab countries | 27:25 | |
| are in a position to know that. | 27:28 | |
| Nevertheless, it's possible | 27:31 | |
| that having flexed the muscles of the monopoly | 27:32 | |
| that there will be a letting up of the embargo | 27:35 | |
| and then the stage is set actually | 27:39 | |
| for a rather unagonizing reappraisal of optimism, | 27:42 | |
| and you could have a lot of tinder around | 27:46 | |
| for an overheating of the economy, | 27:50 | |
| and an expansion, and for further price rise, | 27:53 | |
| and I may also say for stock market boom. | 27:57 | |
| But now, since my time is short, | 28:00 | |
| let me say that given the oil embargo picture, | 28:02 | |
| you must expect that long term interest rates | 28:07 | |
| will not come down very much. | 28:12 | |
| Housing starts being hard hit by the energy shortage | 28:14 | |
| for reasons I needn't detail in this annual survey | 28:17 | |
| will mean that mortgage rates will go down some | 28:21 | |
| as a result of determined federal reserve | 28:25 | |
| and housing agency actions. | 28:28 | |
| Corporate bond rates will not go down as much | 28:31 | |
| and so if you talk about 50 basis points | 28:35 | |
| on the long term rate | 28:39 | |
| between now and say the average of next year, | 28:41 | |
| you may be talking about | 28:45 | |
| all that you can get in the long term sector. | 28:46 | |
| In the short term sector | 28:50 | |
| in the face of this stagflation, | 28:52 | |
| the flation part, I don't see how you can get | 28:54 | |
| more than 100, 150 basis points reduction. | 28:57 | |
| You certainly are not going to get down to 4% | 29:03 | |
| and to 5% in my judgment. | 29:06 | |
| With respect to housing, the permits picture looks bad. | 29:11 | |
| There's a backup of units to be sold. | 29:19 | |
| People don't know where they've got the heating connection | 29:25 | |
| if they start to build a house. | 29:27 | |
| And so I think we have to be prepared | 29:29 | |
| that housing will fall off | 29:31 | |
| unless it is given special support. | 29:33 | |
| Given the energy shortage, I see no alternative | 29:36 | |
| but for the government to be accommodating. | 29:40 | |
| The Federal Reserve, I think, | 29:45 | |
| will have a countercyclical increase in the supply of money | 29:47 | |
| given that assumption. | 29:52 | |
| And this, they will be uncomfortable about | 29:55 | |
| because it will be in the face | 29:58 | |
| of rather horrendous price news. | 30:00 | |
| However, six months ahead | 30:05 | |
| if we're now talking about the middle of the year, | 30:09 | |
| unless you think of the embargo as permanent | 30:12 | |
| and I've seen no responsible persons | 30:14 | |
| who have been making policy on that basis | 30:16 | |
| and I reproached ourselves for that lack. | 30:18 | |
| The general picture | 30:22 | |
| should begin ahead to look more cheerful. | 30:23 | |
| The unemployment rate will be worse | 30:27 | |
| but the last half of '74 looks to be better | 30:30 | |
| and the conventional wisdom for whatever it is worth | 30:33 | |
| looking a year and a half ahead | 30:37 | |
| would think that we will be on the upswing again | 30:39 | |
| from the middle of next year to the middle of 1975. | 30:43 | |
| And this means that the stock market | 30:50 | |
| which always tries to discount ahead. | 30:53 | |
| Some people say it over discounts matters ahead | 30:57 | |
| will before that event actually comes into immediate view | 30:59 | |
| will already begin to act upon it. | 31:07 | |
| Now, I guess I should tell you if I'm going to be wrong | 31:11 | |
| in this general round up of forecasts | 31:18 | |
| in which direction I think I'm most likely to be wrong in. | 31:21 | |
| I think that we may all be too pessimistic | 31:26 | |
| rather than not pessimistic enough. | 31:30 | |
| It's part of the elevating of our consciousness | 31:34 | |
| with respect to the energy shortage. | 31:36 | |
| Even with the boycott being genuine, | 31:39 | |
| if the problem is handled at all well in Washington, | 31:41 | |
| there are lots of improvisations which can be made | 31:46 | |
| and there's a lot of good will on the part of the public | 31:49 | |
| which have nothing to do with price | 31:52 | |
| which will ration things out. | 31:53 | |
| Actually, we've already begun to see | 31:57 | |
| in the statistics of energy use | 32:00 | |
| some tremendously encouraging amounts of economizing. | 32:02 | |
| The trouble is it's like reducing. | 32:08 | |
| It's very easy for anybody to reduce for a short time | 32:11 | |
| but without the price incentive, | 32:13 | |
| it will be very hard to keep patriotism | 32:15 | |
| and social solidarity working. | 32:17 | |
| In short, the mixed economy is still in a healthy state. | 32:21 | |
| We can look forward over the '70s | 32:26 | |
| to a satisfactory rate of growth. | 32:29 | |
| Undoubtedly, we live in an age of creeping inflation | 32:35 | |
| and there is no solution in sight | 32:39 | |
| to the unemployment inflation trade off problem. | 32:42 | |
| Undoubtedly, we're moving into an epoch | 32:47 | |
| where energy is going to be dear. | 32:50 | |
| One prediction I can make with great confidence. | 32:54 | |
| There will be shortage of economic problems | 32:57 | |
| in the year ahead. | 32:59 | |
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