Zou Dengchang (b.1952) was born in Zoujia Village, Shangdian Town, Binzhou City, Shandong Province. He is Song Qiuying's second son. He was very young during the Great Famine, but it left him a clear and profound memory. In this interview, Zou recalls what food he ate. His mother went out begging. His older brother died at 11 years old, who got poisoned after eating worms because of hunger. His grandfather starved to death. He also recounts which family suffered more and had more people died during the famine. He also recalls experience during the Cultural Revolution, especially how grandpa Changjin was forced to commit suicide by jumping into the well because he was accused of 'speculation and profiteering' by the cadres, who were punished afterwards.