Liu Chaogui (b. 1937) is a resident of Longju Village, Baimi Town Hejiang County, Sichuan Province. He is Liu Chaoyun's younger brother. In this interview, Liu recalls his experiences during the Great Famine, such as being in charge of the food tickets at People's Commune canteen, working at the Production Team, and being falsely accused of stealing. He thinks people starved 'not (because) the country persecuted the people, but the people persecuted the country, the people persecuted the people'.