Li Chunfang (b. 1950) was born in Baiyun Village, Fengqing Town, Yunnan Province. He is educated, and has written a genealogy book for the Li family. In this interview, Li recalls the development of the Great famine, and believes that it is “not a natural disaster, but a man-made misfortune”. Life was good during the first few months in 1958 when the People’s Commune canteen first started, but soon went from bad to worse. In 1959, a few starved to death. The canteen once took down a vacant house for firewood. Li also narrates other movements he experienced with his family and other villagers, such as the campaign of “supassing the UK and the US” in iron and steel production, the “White Flag and Red Flag” campaign, and constructing blast furnaces druing the Great Leap Forward.