Narcissus Evans interview recording, 1993 July 28
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Rhonda Mawhood | —asking Mrs. Evans, are you from New Bern? | 0:00 |
Narcissus D. Evans | No. Henderson, North Carolina. | 0:05 |
Rhonda Mawhood | And so you grew up in Henderson? | 0:10 |
Narcissus D. Evans | I grew up, attended H.I. in Henderson. Well, of course at the time that I went to H.I., it was a Normal school, two years Normal. | 0:12 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Was the Henderson Institute— | 0:28 |
Narcissus D. Evans | —of North Carolina. When I finished high school I came to Shaw. I graduated from Shaw in what was it, '34, like I said. Then I began working after that, teaching. Where do I go from here? | 0:29 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Well, maybe I could back up a little bit and ask you a little bit about your parents? | 1:07 |
Narcissus D. Evans | My parents. | 1:13 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Your parents, were they also from Henderson? | 1:14 |
Narcissus D. Evans | My mother was from Franklinton and my father was from Lewisberg. | 1:19 |
Rhonda Mawhood | What were your parents' names, ma'am? | 1:30 |
Narcissus D. Evans | My mother was named Amanda Moss, M-O-S-S. Well, it was Davis-Moss, M-O-S-S. And my father was named Sherman, S-H-E-R-M-A-N Davis. There were 10 in the family. | 1:33 |
Rhonda Mawhood | In your family, so you had nine brothers and sisters? | 2:02 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Mm-hmm. | 2:04 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Oh my, where were you in the order there? | 2:04 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Oh, I was one of the younger ones. There were two younger than I am. | 2:08 |
Rhonda Mawhood | When you were growing up, were all your brothers and sisters in the home or had some left? | 2:21 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Yes. Most of them were in the home. There was one married at that time. My oldest sister was married who lived in Raleigh. | 2:24 |
Rhonda Mawhood | What kind of work did your parents do, Mrs. Evans? | 2:36 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Hmm? | 2:39 |
Rhonda Mawhood | What work did your parents do? | 2:39 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Well, my mother was a housemaker and my father worked around tobacco warehouses. | 2:40 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Was he packing the tobacco or what was he doing in the warehouse? | 2:53 |
Narcissus D. Evans | What would I say? Oh, just he—Mostly in the warehouse, what do you mostly do? I guess, look after different things. I don't know about any of the packing that well. | 3:00 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Where you grew up, Mrs. Evans, was it in the town or more in the country? | 3:14 |
Narcissus D. Evans | It was in town. | 3:19 |
Rhonda Mawhood | What sorts of things do you remember about the neighborhood where you grew up, ma'am? | 3:21 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Well, the people were close, very friendly. Each family attempted to not only look after his or her household but the neighbors also, and it was a very neighborly neighborhood. | 3:26 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Were there people who you looked up to in particular, when you were growing up? | 3:47 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Say what? | 3:54 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Were there older people to whom you looked up? | 3:55 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Yes, we did. We looked up and most all the older people, and some of them were teachers and church members. We belonged to the, well, it was the First Baptist Church. The name changed to Shiloh Baptist Church in Henderson. | 4:01 |
Rhonda Mawhood | What— | 4:32 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Most of the ministers came from Shaw University. | 4:33 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Did you travel to Raleigh much when you were growing up? | 4:38 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Yes, I did. In fact, I stayed with my sister at that time. It was a little too expensive for me to stay in the dormitory, so I stayed with the older sister when I came to Shaw. | 4:42 |
Rhonda Mawhood | I know you became a teacher but what in particular did you study while you were at Shaw, ma'am? | 5:02 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Say what? | 5:06 |
Rhonda Mawhood | What in particular did you study when you were at Shaw? I know you became a teacher. | 5:07 |
Narcissus D. Evans | English, history. | 5:11 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Did you join a sorority when you were at Shaw, ma'am? | 5:18 |
Narcissus D. Evans | No, that was the first year. We didn't have a sorority and they had asked different students to return during the summer. Unfortunately, I was unable to return that summer. | 5:21 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Were you working during the summer, ma'am? | 5:42 |
Narcissus D. Evans | No, but I had a mother who was ill. For that reason, I wasn't able to go back in the summer. | 5:44 |
Rhonda Mawhood | What was it that made you decide to go to Shaw University? | 6:02 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Good question. Well, I guess I had met quite a few ministers from Shaw. And all the people from Shaw went—Being nearby, I tried to get close to home. | 6:08 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Were you able to return home for holidays while you were at Shaw? | 6:31 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Oh, yeah. It was just a distance, I guess, forty one mile. | 6:33 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Did your sister have children, the sister who you lived with? | 6:42 |
Narcissus D. Evans | No, she didn't have any. | 6:44 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Where was your first job once you graduated, ma'am? | 6:51 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Oh, my first job was in Tyrell County. | 6:56 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Was it a country school? | 7:09 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Yes it was, very much so, but I was only there one year. Then I worked in Greene County, that was my husband's home. | 7:11 |
Rhonda Mawhood | I see. Were you married yet when you moved to Greene County? | 7:31 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Yes, so I worked there. | 7:38 |
Rhonda Mawhood | What was it like working in the country schools? | 7:39 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Well, I enjoyed it. In fact, my first job was principal of a five-teacher school. I wouldn't guess you remember when they had— | 7:47 |
Rhonda Mawhood | I've read a lot about it. | 8:00 |
Narcissus D. Evans | I had a two, three, four, five teacher school and I did serve as principal of one of the schools there. When I started there were five teachers. | 8:00 |
Rhonda Mawhood | That was your first job as principal. My goodness. How did that come to be that— | 8:20 |
Narcissus D. Evans | I don't know but I seem to have done a very good job at it. | 8:26 |
Rhonda Mawhood | How did you find that job? How were you recommended for that job? | 8:36 |
Narcissus D. Evans | How would I recommend it? | 8:37 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Mm-hmm. How was it that you found that job? | 8:44 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Maybe two members who knew my husband very well. | 8:49 |
Rhonda Mawhood | When did you get married, Mrs. Evans? | 9:00 |
Narcissus D. Evans | In 1935. | 9:02 |
Rhonda Mawhood | 1935. May I ask how old you were when you married? | 9:03 |
Narcissus D. Evans | I was 22. | 9:11 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Where did you and your husband meet? | 9:11 |
Narcissus D. Evans | At school. | 9:20 |
Rhonda Mawhood | He was a teacher as well, Mr. Evans? | 9:25 |
Narcissus D. Evans | He graduated from A&T. | 9:27 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Was that common for teachers to meet in that way and— | 9:32 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Yeah. | 9:37 |
Rhonda Mawhood | —get married? Do you remember any of your students in particular, are there some who stick out in your mind for whatever reason? | 9:37 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Well, I have so many. I had so many. I've worked in the New Bern school system also, and I have quite a few who even would come around and visit me now. | 9:49 |
Rhonda Mawhood | So you made an impression on them. | 10:06 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Yeah. I remember quite a few of the grades when I first started working, I was working in grades fifth and sixth grade. Then when we moved to New Bern I got a job in the New Bern system, so that was like my streak. | 10:07 |
Rhonda Mawhood | The streak. I asked you why you went to Shaw, but I didn't ask you why you wanted to become a teacher in the first place. | 10:43 |
Narcissus D. Evans | It seems as though that was, I guess, one of the only things that you could become. Generally that would be the first thing you think of, becoming a teacher. | 10:59 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Did many of your friends from school also become teachers? | 11:15 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Yes, they did. | 11:18 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Did other members of your family become teachers? | 11:23 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Yes. I have a younger sister who teaches at Henderson, or taught rather because she resigned. Taught and then retired. Taught in Henderson, North Carolina. She is four years younger than I am and she has retired. | 11:26 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Do you remember, Mrs. Evans, when the Brown versus Board of Education decision was given by the Supreme Court in 1954? | 11:57 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Yes. | 12:08 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Do you remember what you thought of that decision when it was pronounced? | 12:09 |
Narcissus D. Evans | As to what then? | 12:16 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Well, as to when the Supreme Court decided in 1954, that separate schools for Black and White children were illegal in the United States. Do you remember what you thought of that decision when it was pronounced? | 12:16 |
Narcissus D. Evans | When they had separate schools? | 12:35 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Yes, ma'am. | 12:37 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Well, in a way I thought it was unfair. At the same time, I wonder if each group would receive the same type of training? Of course, I stopped working. I mean, I never worked in an integrated school. | 12:41 |
Rhonda Mawhood | You were concerned that if students were put together in school they would not be treated the same? | 13:13 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Yes. | 13:20 |
Rhonda Mawhood | What kinds of things besides the academic things that you taught students, what other things did you try to teach them? | 13:26 |
Narcissus D. Evans | I tried to teach them dignity, sense of appreciation. Always tried to do the best at whatever they did, no matter how great or how small it was. | 13:37 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Do you think that these are lessons that other teachers try to teach the children as well? | 13:59 |
Narcissus D. Evans | What, now? | 14:06 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Well, then and now. | 14:06 |
Narcissus D. Evans | I think back then we did more teaching that respect, family life, home life. I think all those things they headed up. | 14:11 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Were the parents of the students involved in their education while you were teaching, ma'am? | 14:30 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Yes they were, very much so. | 14:38 |
Rhonda Mawhood | In what kinds of ways? | 14:41 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Well, we usually could get the cooperation of parents at that time. If we had any discipline in our class, we could always call on them. Only a few instances did we have to take and make a drastic step to get control of the students at that time. I only had one run-in at that time but on the whole, all of the students were very respectable. | 14:43 |
Rhonda Mawhood | I know you said you only had one. Could you tell me a little bit about the run-in that you did have, what the circumstances were? | 15:24 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Well, it was a matter of a student maybe who had been spoiled in the home and hadn't been taught to respect the teacher. Well of course, he felt that whatever he did, he could go and tell his mother, something like that. | 15:31 |
Rhonda Mawhood | How did you handle that situation, ma'am? | 16:01 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Very well. As the mother came and we had a nice talk, and at the end she was glad that she had been called in. | 16:08 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Did you go to visit the homes of students ever? | 16:22 |
Narcissus D. Evans | On two occasions we were required in New Bern to visit. I was working over at old Duffyfield school and we visited the homes over there. | 16:28 |
Rhonda Mawhood | What was the purpose of these visits would you say, ma'am? | 16:54 |
Narcissus D. Evans | It seems as it was to get acquainted with the parents, and bring on a better understanding with the parents and their teachers. Some we find very favoring, others disapprove of it. | 16:59 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Do you remember conflicts among teachers in the schools? Anything over students or the curriculum or anything like that? | 17:30 |
Narcissus D. Evans | No, I didn't recall. | 17:41 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Okay. I asked you if you're a member of a sorority and you said, "No." But were you a member of any other organizations while you were teaching, ma'am? | 17:42 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Well, student council. And some of the other clubs like the Newspaper Club. | 18:01 |
Rhonda Mawhood | It sounds like you were involved in students' activities. What kinds of issues were the student council concerned with? They may have changed over time, I don't know but—? | 18:16 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Trying to bring about relationship in the school. And to see if they could get different students to talk out, to speak out on different subjects. To have a feeling of belonging and able to express him or herself. | 18:31 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Do you feel that the activity in student council, prepared students for public life later on? Was that in— | 19:01 |
Narcissus D. Evans | In some cases I think so. | 19:13 |
Rhonda Mawhood | But in others? | 19:17 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Well, I'm speaking of it, some of the schools that I have worked in and have seen. | 19:18 |
Rhonda Mawhood | You felt that some schools did a better job, shall we say or I'm not sure. | 19:28 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Well, maybe they had different students were more forth going. I should say, or maybe they spoke out or they were up on certain questions and answered more than others. | 19:34 |
Rhonda Mawhood | What kinds of issues would they speak out on, ma'am? | 19:56 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Well, freedom of speech and equal rights. | 20:01 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Was there any communication that you know, where there relationships between the Black high schools or elementary schools and the White high schools or elementary schools? Did the children have communication for Black or White children? | 20:25 |
Narcissus D. Evans | I never worked in the school after it was integrated. It would be only what I heard but I never worked. Due to illness, I stopped work. I gave up the school life at that time, so I never had a chance to work in an integrated school. | 20:38 |
Rhonda Mawhood | When you were teaching in the African-American schools, were the students concerned—As you said, they were concerned with equality. Were they concerned with issues affecting African-Americans in particular? | 21:06 |
Narcissus D. Evans | When then? | 21:25 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Before, when you were teaching, before the schools were desegregated. | 21:28 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Not so much, I don't think. | 21:34 |
Rhonda Mawhood | They would talk about equality in general? | 21:38 |
Narcissus D. Evans | In general terms. | 21:40 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Are you active in a church, ma'am? | 21:47 |
Narcissus D. Evans | I was, up until last year. I belonged to the First Missionary Baptist Church. I have served as secretary treasurer and a pastor aide. I've attended Sunday school, not now but on one occasion and I assisted as treasurer at the church. I belong to the Women Federation Club, the Climbers' Club, a member of that. | 21:52 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Could you tell me a little bit about the Climbers' Club, ma'am? I'm not familiar with that one. | 22:58 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Yes. It's a club that's pertaining to women. There are three that we have, three divisions, Home And Garden Club, Arts And Craft Club. That's one piece up here. | 23:03 |
Rhonda Mawhood | You made that yourself? | 23:22 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Yes, I did. | 23:23 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Oh, I see. | 23:24 |
Narcissus D. Evans | That's another piece and that's another piece. That's from the Arts and Craft. | 23:24 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Oh my goodness. The macrame one, that's beautiful and of course, and lovely. | 23:31 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Home and Garden, I'm also a member of that division. We just had our district meeting in New Bern, Saturday. I think our district meeting's on Saturday. | 23:36 |
Rhonda Mawhood | There's the Gome and Garden division, the Craft division and which one? | 23:56 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Home and Garden Club and also the Book Club. You should include that. Make sure I have it straight. Home And Garden Club, Arts and Craft and Book Club. They're a division under the Climbers' Club. Maybe if you read that, we can understand that more. That meeting was held here Saturday. I didn't attend. | 24:01 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Thank you. So it's women from different churches who belong to this club. | 24:33 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Oh yeah. Different churches from around. | 24:42 |
Rhonda Mawhood | What kinds of qualifications for membership should a woman have? | 24:46 |
Narcissus D. Evans | For what? | 24:51 |
Rhonda Mawhood | For membership in the Climbers' Club, what kind of a woman do you look for as a member? | 24:53 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Not any special education, as long as she is a good homemaker and likes to do things to help others. So many times we make different articles and give them or send them to different, normal people. Some of the members are very good at making quilts. Then we have those who do the artwork such as macrame, crocheting. We have some who crochet who make different articles during the holidays and will give them to some of those in need. So, such things as that. | 25:02 |
Narcissus D. Evans | We have little social hours during the year. The Home And Garden Club for some years has had an egg hunt, for some of those who would not be able to go or who does not go to church and we furnish and dye the eggs for them. We did that two or three years sometime ago under the head of the social service. Of course, the Book Club user planned that program around certain books and gave reports. We have quite a few activities and each division tried to help the other group and that was something that came. | 25:58 |
Rhonda Mawhood | What kinds of books does the Book Club read? | 27:01 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Hmm? | 27:06 |
Rhonda Mawhood | What kinds of books does the Book Club read? | 27:06 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Well, I'm not a member of the Book Club, but they have a different type of book or, I mean, it's not limited to any one class of book but different. They give reports on a different one. I think it's up to each member as to what type of book she would read and report on it. | 27:08 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Must a woman be married to be a member of the club? | 27:34 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Say what? | 27:36 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Must a woman be married to be a member? | 27:37 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Oh, no indeed, no. | 27:40 |
Rhonda Mawhood | How long have you been a member of this club, ma'am? | 27:44 |
Narcissus D. Evans | I've been a member for 25 years. | 27:47 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Do you know how the club got its name? | 27:54 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Oh Lord, that's a long story. Oh, Mrs. Charlotte Road—oh, Mrs—I think. The club is located on West Street. Now, would you be able to check some of this with Mary White? | 28:00 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Yes, certainly. | 28:26 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Yeah? Well they have a meeting. She has a group and they meet. Their clubhouse is on West Street. Now, we have material in the building and the first offices are that they had for this club. I'm sure if you would see her, she would be glad to give you a tour of that building. Right now I have some material on them but I would want it to be exact. | 28:28 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Certainly. | 29:08 |
Narcissus D. Evans | We have all the presidents of the Climbers' Club pictures on the wall, and we have all the different members and the different groups on the wall. | 29:08 |
Rhonda Mawhood | It sounds like it's been in existence for quite a while. | 29:25 |
Narcissus D. Evans | It's been in existence a long time. If you would give me that plaque on the wall? | 29:38 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Yes. | 29:39 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Maybe, yes. | 29:39 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Of this? | 29:39 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Uh-huh. | 29:39 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Yes, ma'am. | 29:39 |
Narcissus D. Evans | I'm distracting from this but to show you some of what my—Me, since you got all of that stuff. We had these pictures made recently the Climbers' Club members. Now, all could not be present at the same time, so the photographer took them at a different times and that was one group and this was another group. Maybe you can locate me on there. | 29:39 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Very nice. Where? Oh no. | 30:23 |
Narcissus D. Evans | I'm on that one. | 30:33 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Oh, yes, here you are. | 30:33 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Then we had three or four other people who didn't get on either one of these and they have those. These were made up in the spring and these are some of the members. Now we have large pictures hanging in the library of the group. | 30:38 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Very lovely pictures. Everyone looks happy. Everyone's smiling. It's very nice. Thank you. | 31:00 |
Narcissus D. Evans | I think you can get a good idea. The three divisions of the club were able, three years ago, to renovate the building and I don't make much work in it. | 31:07 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Are you a member of the NAACP, Mrs. Evans? | 31:30 |
Narcissus D. Evans | The what? | 31:33 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Are you a member of the NAACP? | 31:34 |
Narcissus D. Evans | No, I am not. | 31:35 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Have you been a member? | 31:39 |
Narcissus D. Evans | No, my husband has been a member. | 31:39 |
Rhonda Mawhood | That's just one of the organizations that people sometimes forget to mention. That's why I would like to ask about it. | 31:48 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Now, how much more? | 31:54 |
Rhonda Mawhood | I'm sorry? | 32:04 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Do you have much more to— | 32:05 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Was there— [INTERRUPTION] | 32:07 |
Narcissus D. Evans | It was necessary for me to ride buses, I guess between '40 and '50 from New Bern to Henderson, North Carolina. My mother was of age and very sick and I often traveled from New Bern to Henderson to help the other sister. Of course, her condition wasn't very favorable at all. | 32:11 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Most of time I would stay and work or help her until I was tired. Then when I would get on the bus, I would maybe have to sit on a suitcase or stand and hold the railing, although there may be a seat nearby that I could have taken. On one or two occasions, I attempted to occupy a seat. | 32:47 |
Narcissus D. Evans | So, nothing was said but the person who was sitting next just got up and moved. I did go through that a lot because I rode the bus quite often. That was one of the things that I remember quite vivid because it went over a period of I guess by 10 years, maybe 1940 to 1950. | 33:20 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Sometimes you would stand but sometimes you would sit in a seat beside a White person. | 33:56 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Very seldom. | 34:04 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Very seldom. | 34:04 |
Narcissus D. Evans | If one would get up and give it to me that would sound very nice. On other occasions maybe I was tired and feeling vague and I would just have to hold a rail and stand. Whereas there would be a seat here, a seat up there up in the front. | 34:04 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Sometimes a White person would stand up and give you a seat. Would this be a White man? | 34:27 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Say what? | 34:34 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Would this be a White man or White— | 34:35 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Yes. | 34:37 |
Rhonda Mawhood | How did you feel about that when that happened, ma'am? | 34:42 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Well, I thought he was the one. One of a kind. He was different. And I felt that all are not the same. | 34:46 |
Rhonda Mawhood | On those occasions when you did choose to sit when you chose to take a seat, what made you decide to take that seat on that particular day or evening? | 35:03 |
Narcissus D. Evans | I wasn't feeling so good. Maybe I felt weak and having left sick relatives. I usually to worked until I left because there was just two of us who were helping. I would probably feel sick sometime and just had to sit. Of course if I said I was feeling bad. Or the driver just said, "All right." Sometimes there were some drivers who were very nice. | 35:16 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Other times there were drivers who were not so? | 36:01 |
Narcissus D. Evans | No. | 36:09 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Were there unpleasant events, conflicts with drivers? | 36:09 |
Narcissus D. Evans | I never ran into that. I never did because I guess I only wanted just to sit. | 36:13 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Did any of your friends have unpleasant conflicts such as— | 36:28 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Well, I don't know if they know riding in the bus or if ever they had to go a distance. My husband was kind of agent, and being a kind of agent, I didn't feel that I could draw him away from his work. Every time I got to go to see my mother, maybe stay a week or two so I would ride the bus. | 36:38 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Did you ever know of any stories, ma'am? If you don't want to answer this I'll understand it completely, but did you ever hear of any stories of people passing into White society? | 37:09 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Pardon, what? | 37:24 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Of African-American people passing for White at times? | 37:26 |
Narcissus D. Evans | No. | 37:30 |
Rhonda Mawhood | You didn't know? | 37:31 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Mm-hmm. | 37:33 |
Rhonda Mawhood | In your experience, how were relations between police in New Bern and the African-American community? | 37:41 |
Narcissus D. Evans | How what? | 37:53 |
Rhonda Mawhood | The relations between police in New Bern and African-Americans, how were those relations? | 37:53 |
Narcissus D. Evans | I don't know that I ever—Y'all getting ready to go? [INTERRUPTION] I never encountered any of that. I don't know. I don't know of any personally. | 38:05 |
Rhonda Mawhood | But you knew about other people? | 38:24 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Hmm? | 38:28 |
Rhonda Mawhood | You knew about other people having problems or— | 38:28 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Well, that's what you hear, or maybe the newspaper. | 38:34 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Mrs. Evans, before I go, I'd like to ask you if there's any advice that you would give to young people today? Young people coming up today, giving them the benefit of your experience? | 38:44 |
Narcissus D. Evans | Well, I guess the first thing I would try to advise them to stay away from drugs. And not to be influenced by others who are on drugs and if possible, to see if they cannot be of some help. If they know anyone going that way, and try to help those in some way, be an example for those who may be doing some of those things they shouldn't do such as drugs and guns. | 39:01 |
Rhonda Mawhood | Well, thank you very much, ma'am. Appreciate it. | 39:52 |
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