Jasper Scott (primary interviewee), Louise Scott, and Eddie Francis, Jr. interview recording, 1993 June 28
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| Jasper Raus Scott | Mm-hmm. And, see, right today, early and she could work for him five years and, you know, she working for the government going back and finding, and she found a lot of them still living back there in the woods. She had to park her car down and walk back there. | 0:01 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I went there and lived down there three years and four months. And during that time try to find some of my people. And I found a few of them, but I found a lot of them ain't never even seen a train. | 0:17 |
| Sonya Ramsey | And where was your family located? Where was your family from? | 0:28 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | They lived back in the woods. They didn't even to come out. | 0:34 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | But it was in Halifax County, right? | 0:38 |
| Sonya Ramsey | In this county? | 0:38 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yes, in Halifax County. | 0:38 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Oh, okay. | 0:38 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | They place called Hollister. | 0:41 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Halifax and Warren County, that's where the Indians are. | 0:42 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Oh, okay. | 0:44 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah. | 0:45 |
| Kara Miles | What tribe Indians? | 0:46 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Huh? | 0:48 |
| Kara Miles | What tribe? | 0:48 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Haliwa. | 0:48 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 0:48 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Oh, okay. | 0:48 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Haliwa and later on they identified with the Saponi. You see, they— | 0:49 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | But Saponi was first, right? | 0:56 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | They just established. See, they didn't have a name. All they could tell is they were different. I tell them, I told the chief, I got his picture there, he gave me a book. I went down, I carried my daughters out of there. One of my daughters had to have something for her thesis and she wrote me a letter from Washington DC, asked me to write her a letter. And so I wrote her a letter, and she said, "Oh," she said, "They took that letter. That's exactly what they want." And I told the history of our people. And so, they weren't unorganized when my daddy was there. My daddy been dead—You don't remember Papa, do you? | 0:57 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | No sir. | 1:32 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | You just knew of him. He been dead 60 years. | 1:33 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | No, I'm only 50. | 1:34 |
| Louise Scott | Is this thing too hot? | 1:36 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And I'm—Yeah, he been dead 60 years. | 1:36 |
| Louise Scott | I don't want it to be hot in here. | 1:36 |
| Sonya Ramsey | No, it's fine. | 1:36 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | But they didn't have name. They got scouted. When they had the death march and made them all go to Oklahoma, a lot of them hid out in the woods. And they out down there, but about 10 years ago, they didn't get federal recognition, and so they gave themselves, they had to give themselves a name. And so they gave Saponi; they gave Haliwa, I mean. Well Haliwa was, Hali was Halifax, W-A was Warren. | 1:42 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Oh, okay, the different counties. | 2:09 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Because, it crossed the line. | 2:09 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Two counties, yeah. | 2:09 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So that's all that mean, Haliwa, when you said Haliwa Indian. Haliwa Indian. Well later on, they tried to identify with the Cherokees in western North Carolina, but the Cherokees wouldn't accept them. | 2:10 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Why not? | 2:25 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | They said they were too mixed. But Saponi accepted us. Saponi is the original. That's its original tribe. So now, they're known as Haliwa-Saponi. I got one of their books, I went to see a powwow [indistinct 00:02:39]. So that's why the Saponi come in. Saponi said the Lumbee wouldn't accept. Lumbee was Croatan. And they changed to Lumbee because they—most of them down [indistinct 00:02:48]. And I've been on two reservations. I've been on the 'Munkey reservation. She called it 'Munkey reservation, it's Pamunkey. P-A-M-U-N-K-E-Y. Pamunkey reservation in Virginia. I been out there, and I also been to the little Croatan, which is Lumbee now, down in Scotland County. I haven't been in Cherokee. I've been planning to go but, I never got out there yet. | 2:27 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Croatan. | 3:11 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | But that's right, that's the seat is Cherokees of North Carolina. Some years ago, they went and put a road through there. And they was going to put it through here by right at the end of the road there. When they searched up the record thing, they found they couldn't put it through there because the government didn't own the land. The government made some kind of treaty with them, but they were still holding the land, and so they couldn't put them through there until all of them signed. | 3:11 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | They couldn't put that road through there. And they held on as long as they want to, but they finally persuaded them to put it through there, knowing it'd be good for them. So now they makes their living off the tourists and things coming down. I guess you read about the Cherokee in Western North Carolina. That's out near Tennessee. Yeah. | 3:33 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Mm-hmm. And your grandfather was a Haliwa Indian? | 3:49 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | My grandfather, he was just a born of Indian parents. | 3:54 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Oh, okay. | 3:57 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | See, there was no tribe. They didn't have a tribal name. In other words, if one tell you say, "Well I'm not a Negro." They call them Negro, they go "Well I'm not Colored." They say, "I'm not Colored." They say, "Oh, What are you?" They say "We're different." And that's all they could tell you. | 3:59 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And I told the chief about it, Mr. Robert Richardson; I got his picture right there. I told him about it and he didn't deny it, because he knew I was telling the truth. I said, "When I lived out here," I said, "y'all didn't have no name." He said, "No, we didn't." He said, "We had to be savage. Y'all named our group." He said, "But you got a name since I left here 50 years ago." Because I stayed out here three years and four months. No, I didn't know him. I knew his wife's daddy. I knew all the older people which were dead, but I didn't know him. He was a boy. He's about 73 years old, now. | 4:14 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | But they didn't have a name. They lost their identity. See when they made them all go away to Oklahoma, they hid out. And they didn't want to call themselves Indian. | 4:48 |
| Kara Miles | Oh, because they'd get in trouble? | 5:05 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | They'd get in trouble. Now, you correct. The first one I ever saw, I didn't know my daddy was one because my daddy didn't even tell people he was Indian. In other words, back when I was a kid, I don't know when Rube was a little kid, maybe his daddy was like this. But when I was a kid, people were really afraid of Indians. Indians, they could come right up there, right to the road here and set up a tent there and stay there three or four days, and nobody didn't bother them. People didn't bother them. They were actually afraid of them. | 5:05 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Why were they afraid of them? | 5:30 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | They were afraid of them because you see the Indians, they didn't have anything and they would steal. In other words, I been raising chickens about all my life. There was a tribe of Indians right down, they didn't have anything to eat, they'd steal all my chickens. Even my hogs and all that. They were impoverished, didn't have anything. I know this to be true. Because some— | 5:32 |
| Kara Miles | They had something— | 5:45 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | —some pitched in our community. The first set pitched right where the cemetery is now and they stayed there three or four days. | 5:50 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Which cemetery? | 5:53 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Huh? | 5:54 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Which cemetery? | 5:54 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Down Chapel Cemetery. | 5:56 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | You remember the church we came by, I told you my grandma— | 5:58 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Uh-huh. | 6:00 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Where you all were buried out there, that was in Pine Woods. | 6:01 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Oh, yeah. | 6:02 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Uh-huh. It was field right down there, right on before you crossed the bridge, coming from the church was a field back there, right by somebody. I don't know what they raised. Something planted down on that, but the rest of it was in the woods. And the Indians lived, they pitched a tent and stayed there three or four days. I don't know what they done, if they stealing chickens, or whatever. Some of them come into Halifax several times, they made them leave. The law went down there and made them leave, people were raising, stealing some of their chickens. | 6:06 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | But they was doing that out of survival. | 6:09 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's right. Yeah, out of survival. And another thing why people was afraid of them, they were called savage. They wasn't recognizing these northern people, and people were actually afraid of them. Heard they were savage, they eat each other and all that, and that was far wrong. That was—Cannibalism didn't exist so far as my father knew. But he would never tell you he was Indian, because people would be afraid of him and they wouldn't want to recognize him. He just said he wasn't Negro, that's all he ever told his children. | 6:10 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He lived 67 years and died. Without his—only thing he was a skilled medicine man. That's right, he got his training but he adopted into a family, about 15 of them I reckon. And he adopted in the family. His uncle Brady can tell you about it. Brady can you about a time he said he'd like to die and said [indistinct 00:07:11] die—Yeah, Brady tell that thing, he remember that. | 7:01 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | His daddy was a doctor. | 7:29 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, that's right. | 7:30 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Oh, okay. | 7:30 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah he was a self-made doctor. He took that up in run with that. Though he had a— | 7:32 |
| Louise Scott | You like that chicken? | 7:38 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | —he wasn't ever licensed. He was under another, he got another doctor to let him practice under him. And this doctor told the druggers, all the druggers, said, "He writes a prescription," he said, "y'all fill it." So anyhow— | 7:39 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | That was a White doctor? | 7:52 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, a White doctor. Doctor Ferguson. So anyhow, before I was born, I'm the youngest of eight children. | 7:53 |
| Kara Miles | I'm a turn that fan off. | 8:00 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And before I was born, people down there used to tell about the time they carried him to court. Mr. Francis knew about it, his grandfather. Time they carried him to court for practicing medicine without a license. He must have heard that and said he called a case. And he said, "Jackson, you are charged here with practicing medicine without a license." And he said, "Doctor Ferguson", he's a White doctor, went down and spoke, said, "He don't need no license." He said, "He's a better doctor than I am, he doctors under me." And he recognized him, too. | 8:01 |
| Sonya Ramsey | You said he was a medicine—He learned how to be a doctor from the Indians? | 8:35 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, that's right. | 8:39 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Oh, okay. | 8:39 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That was the hand, but see they didn't call themselves doctor, they call themself Indian, medicine men. | 8:41 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Mm-hmm. And who were his patients he worked on? Black people? Did he work on White people? | 8:46 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | White people, Black and White people. A lot of White people. Because it was a settlement. They don't mind. At that time was a settlement. | 8:50 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | That's where we just came from. | 8:56 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's right. | 8:58 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Reason I was laughing, Mr. Scott, was because I was telling them about Mr. Hawk operated on his brother. | 8:58 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Correct. That was my cousin. | 9:04 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | For appendicitis. | 9:06 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Oh, okay. That's your cousin. | 9:13 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | They were all cousins. | 9:14 |
| Sonya Ramsey | It run in the family. | 9:14 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | They were all Indians [indistinct 00:09:14]. Tell you about it, but man named Hawkins was my mother's first cousin. | 9:14 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Can you tell us about that? | 9:17 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Huh? | 9:19 |
| Sonya Ramsey | About the appendicitis? | 9:19 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | The appendicitis? Now that was before I was born, but he got it all right. Because I hear him telling—His brother's name was Kit. You didn't know him, did you? | 9:22 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yes I did. | 9:31 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | You did? | 9:31 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yes sir. | 9:31 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, well he about the raggediest man you ever saw. You know that thing couldn't write. He had to put his hand right. He bought a boiler from Mrs. Chipman with how much that ring worth, and he wrote the contract. No, Mr. Terry William, a White man wrote the contract. And he put on his old glasses with some strings on it and made him change that contract. He made him rewrite it. And when he went out, Mr. Chetley, he was an old [indistinct 00:09:57] beard down here. I tell you right now, he goes, "That old Kit is out trying to make sense there. You don't fool him these kind of things." | 9:31 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | But he operated on his brother. Carried him to the doctor, the doctor said he had appendicitis and they carried him to the hospital. Oh, I reckon it was a hospital in Rocky Mount. I don't know. Anyway, he took him down to the Hawk and operated on him himself, and liked to die. But he pulled it off, he lived. And he— | 9:57 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Pondview Hospital. | 10:20 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, Pondview. Uh huh, I thought it was probably Pondview since it's right down there. Yeah. | 10:20 |
| Louise Scott | That you don't know, but yet you know it. | 10:20 |
| Kara Miles | Did he not trust the hospital? Is that why he operated on him himself? Or for his own brother, did he not want to take him to the hospital? | 10:20 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Now, I never known exactly why it was, whether it was lack of money or whatnot, but he just figured he could do it. | 10:20 |
| Kara Miles | How did he learn how to do that? The surgery? | 10:20 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I don't know. That was too far back, but evidently they done something like that before. Well, you take back in my day, young day, when a person went to the hospital, he just about dead. There were several people in the community that were doctors. My mother, she was a herbalist. My father said he never got to learn it, but my mother did. My mother was a healer and she was from White family, plus Indian. Do you know Claude Healy? | 10:22 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Sure. | 11:25 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, Claude is my mother's brother. Claude Healy's granddad is my mother's brother, full brother. You had no idea. | 11:26 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | I sure didn't. | 11:33 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And I learned Claude was 60 some years before I learned it. I knew all her people that'll break [indistinct 00:11:40], but I ain't know who they were. So, I put in and decided to go and find some of them. Now, I made the trip out there and find them. And I identified myself right quick. I think Claude and Bunny Bo. Already know Bunny; Bunny lives out here and both of them joined the tribe, I think. [indistinct 00:12:02] because I was talking to Claude. I had a bunch of folks around and I was talking to Claude; that was some years ago. I was talking to him, telling him about background, his wife and all, and I told him I had just come from Hostings, so Claude asked me, "What you been doing? Are you exploring our background?" I said, "Yeah, I was." With that, maybe he joined them. I think he joined them. | 11:34 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I know Bunny did. Bunny lives out there. His name is Joe, but if you call— | 12:20 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Joe Healy, I remember him. | 12:32 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | —him Joe, I went out there looking for him and called him Joe, ain't nobody know. I said Bunny, everybody knew that. You know him? | 12:32 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Sure. | 12:34 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah! Oh, yeah. That's my families. | 12:35 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Now, let's get back to Mr. Hawkins. Now that family was an unusual family. | 12:40 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's right. | 12:47 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Knowledge-wise, you know. Now, this is the man that operated on his brother. I mean, machinery that they never seen before and he's gifted the same way, Mr. Scott is. | 12:49 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Oh, okay. | 13:03 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | You know, it's a challenge to him and he's going to find out. In fact, he has a shoe shop right next door and one of the best, the greatest shoe maker that you will find, and he's known all over the country, all over North Carolina anyway, as a shoe maker. And some of the machines that you have out there in the shop, you made them yourself, didn't you? | 13:03 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Right. | 13:23 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | That's right. | 13:24 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, I built them. | 13:25 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | And Mr. Hawkins, as I remember him, was the same way. The first man I knew that go around, taking pictures was Mr. Hawkins, when nobody even had a camera. He was coming around in a van, you remember that? | 13:28 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Right. | 13:38 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Had a van made up, you could sit in it. | 13:39 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Had a PDQ camera then, might've been. | 13:40 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | That's right. People would line up to get in that van and take that picture, and I think he would charge like, a quarter for a picture at that time. | 13:40 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's right, and he made good pictures. | 13:50 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Sure did. | 13:50 |
| Sonya Ramsey | What decade was this? About what time? | 13:50 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | This was in the late '40s and early '50s, because he died somewhere in the early '50s, didn't he? Or maybe right about mid '50s, '57 or '58. Something like that. | 13:55 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, now I can take you back to his father. You don't remember him. | 14:06 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | No, sir. | 14:10 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | There was three of them, Jedda, Joe and Henry. The first I ever heard of Mohammad was uncle Henry, that was the third of my uncles. My mother was from the family. You heard of uncle Joe Hawkins, didn't you? | 14:10 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yes, sir. Didn't know him> | 14:24 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Your daddy bought that place down there, right down from the house, from the Joe Hawkins from the hired Jones, his daddy's house was down at the bottom. | 14:25 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | You mean my granddaddy. | 14:39 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Your granddaddy. | 14:40 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Right. | 14:41 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And it was about 10 or 12 wells, they were caught in the sand. | 14:42 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | I helped him fill them up. | 14:44 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | All right, you know what I'm talking about. | 14:44 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Right, there at the railroad. | 14:44 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Uncle Joe, he dug holes all over the country. He slaved an awful lot. He was in the Civil War. | 15:01 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Okay. | 15:01 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That was Joe Healy. And he believed, and he was the one that predicted World War number one when I was a baby. You heard all that. | 15:07 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | I sure did. | 15:13 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, I'm a witness to it. I went out many a night with him and he'd say, "Ooh! Look at all this!" He said, "Come on, come on son! Come on." Be in the wind field. Said, "Look out there. Ooh! Look at them flying in the air! They're dropping bombs! Ooh!" And he'd just have a fit out there, mama would tell him, "Joe, come on in the house." She said, "Lord, [indistinct 00:15:35] are looking down." Said, "They're even shooting from under the water." | 15:13 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And George actually joined and Johnny stayed and enjoyed the silver. Sit down many times and told her he predicted that they'd come just in over and fight, come just like he said. | 15:38 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | And this was before aircraft, right? | 15:54 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's right. | 15:54 |
| Sonya Ramsey | He had a vision about it? | 15:54 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's right, that's right. He was a prophet and didn't know it. He predicted these things. He predicted, and just like he predicted, the war came. He died during that time. He died, he was about 93 years old. He was so old for some time, he drew all the affluent people up on a wagon, bring him wherever he stayed at. | 15:54 |
| Sonya Ramsey | You said he was in the Civil War. Did he ever tell you about anything that happened to him during the Civil War? | 16:10 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, yes he told us plenty that happened to him. He was in the Civil War, and about how he load the cannon, told us where the cannon ball was and how he shooting, and how folks was dying on the battlefield and he didn't never expect to get back. And was another man here, he was born in slavery. I'm just one that's living that actually talked to people that was born in slavery. Most of them are dead, but I've actually talked with him. Sit down and had a conversation with them, with people born in slavery. | 16:23 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Now, his great-grandmother, Aunt Nancy was born in slavery. You don't remember her. | 16:48 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | No sir. | 16:55 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I do. | 16:55 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | The name is, you know, but— | 16:55 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I remember many times I been to her house. She had a grape vine there. She ain't allow nobody go to the grape vine without asking. She stayed in the house, she never cracked the door but that wide when she come to the door. She'd see me coming, she'd crack that door. "Hey there, boy. Don't tell me, I don't want y'all squirting my grape vine now." As a little boy, I remember that thing just good as anything in the world. | 17:01 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Then there was a Mr. Harberry that born here. Now his wife was named Matilda and they were very prominent people. In other words, she operated the café here. And she published the first—I can't remember the name of the paper. She published the first paper that was published in Halifax, newspaper. | 17:17 |
| Sonya Ramsey | For Black people or the White people? | 17:46 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, it was in general. Mostly were news, but she covered, she published that paper. | 17:51 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | She was White . | 17:56 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Her name was Matilda Harberry. All of her children is dead now. She was born in slavery. Well, I, once a year, made it my business to go see old people, mostly born in slavery. Want to sit down and talk to them. I'd go to Ms. Harberry, I'd go to Ms. Richardson, I'd go to Mrs. Cook lived right down there. They was people who were here, born in slavery, and who were the next born. | 18:04 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Anyhow, that's Ms. Mary Jones, she's still living. She's 93 and I told her that Mrs. Harberry went to Shaw University, I think she told me she went to Shaw University. And Ms. Mary tells me that she didn't go. She didn't ever go to college, but here's what Ms. Harberry told me and I believe exactly what she said. She died in Buckworth [indistinct 00:18:57]. Ms. Harberry said, "My daddy was White and my mother was Black." She told me that more than one time. I sitting down, talking to her, herself. | 18:25 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | She said, "My mother died, and so I stayed in a log house with my father." She said, "He was good, my White father." She said, "He had a lot of land and is one of these slaves had him boss, looking after everything." And said, "He told me, he said, 'Matilda, I got to go away.' He say, 'I'm going to leave you with,' whatever the name was. And he said, 'You'll be taken care of.'" So she say, "I understand that he had to go away to war, Civil War. So he told me, he said, 'I got to go to war. You pack up all your clothes, I'm a carry you [indistinct 00:20:02].'" | 19:13 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Said, "He left me up there, took me that morning and daddy helped there," said, "I was 12 years old. And he told him, he said, 'Listen. Here's her money.' He said, 'I want you to finish school here. I want y'all to send her to college.'" And said he did, but Ms. Mary to the best of her recollection, she said Ms. Harberry never went to college. And Ms. Harberry told me that more than one time. | 20:01 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So I asked her husband; her husband used to [indistinct 00:20:12] the whole thing. And he had the reputation, inside of them was them barrels, and molasses was in barrels. And he had the reputation of being, and he was, he was about the strongest man you'd ever see in your life. And he could pick up a barrel of molasses and throw it in the wagon. Carry it to the store or wherever they want it to go. So, I was talking to him one day and he was in his 90s too. And I was talking to him one day, and he was telling me about the war and he was up here at Petersburg, the battlefield. I been up to see those battlefields. And he says, I was telling him, asking him how he got down here. He was born in Pennsylvania, I believe. | 20:11 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Anyway, I said, "How did you get out here?" He said, "Well, I'll tell you. I was going with a girl and she was a pretty girl." And he said, "I fed the general's horses." And he said, "One day, she stood out until I got through feeding the horse and I started walking along." He said, "A cannonball hit her and tore that whole side off." And he said, "It killed her right there on the spot." He said, "So I didn't have another girlfriend, didn't know nobody. Soon, the war was over." And he said, "I heard that down south, they was paying 25 cents a 100 for picking cotton." He said, "I began to travel. I ended up down here in Terry, North Carolina." | 21:01 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And he said, "I could pick 300 pounds of cotton a day, 75 cents." He said, "I tell you, that was some money!" And then he'd bring her [indistinct 00:21:59]. And I went as long as he lived and was able to. He finally got so blind, they carried him back to Pennsylvania and he died. So, he was one. | 21:50 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Then my uncle; there's three of them. Uncle William, and Jackson, which was daddy. My daddy was a doctor, but I didn't know him til after he was dead. He was a doctor in the—Did you know he was a doctor? | 22:03 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | No, sir. | 22:21 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He was a doctor [indistinct 00:22:24]. | 22:21 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Oh, no. | 22:49 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah. My uncle William told me one time, he said, "I don't know whether Jackson is our half-brother or step-brother. Ma and them wouldn't tell us," and said, "She raised him without ever knowing except for he's not our brother." So she brought him there, but somewhere how she got him, I don't know. | 22:51 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So somebody had told one of my sister-in-laws, she died a few years ago in May. Somebody had gone around and told them, and told several more. And my uncle William told me that. His name says Jared Prichett Richardson was his name. Was his daddy, let me get it right. And he told me who his daddy was. And he said, "Ma brought—" Well at that time, sometimes they adopted a child; that child would grow and sometimes never did know who it was. Because they had it out when their baby was born and said mama find more stump holes, the midwife find the stump hole and go out there and cook then. That was the way we had it. Did you know that— | 22:51 |
| Louise Scott | Lord, you used that? | 23:13 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Oh, yeah. That was the way— | 23:13 |
| Louise Scott | Brought it in a cup to you? | 23:13 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So they brought him there. She died [indistinct 00:23:14]. But this man, he had a club foot. One of his feet was turned bottom up, just like that and he walked with a stick all his life. | 23:14 |
| Louise Scott | Jasper know a lot of stuff. He told me lots since I been married to him. He sure have. | 23:15 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | This man brought him there. What I never could find out and I can't find out from nobody; all the old folks are dead. Mr. Richardson told me, he said, "Well, only thing I can tell you, if he's a Richardson, he's kin to us because all we Richardsons are kin." But he couldn't trace back that name, Jared Prichett Richardson. They got a Jerry Richardson, but that wasn't him. Because my daddy supposed to been born in 1858. | 23:51 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So anyhow, my aunt Priss, which is my grandmother. I didn't know her, she died before I was born. She was a doctor woman. They had doctor women all in the country. Didn't have doctors like you got there, just had women or men that did doctoring. Some of them were witch doctors and some of them were root doctors. | 23:57 |
| Sonya Ramsey | What's a witch doctor? What's a root doctor? What's the difference between a witch doctor and a root doctor? | 24:24 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, a witch doctor, he use such signs. In other words, if I couldn't get along with my wife, we go to a witch doctor; she could straighten us out. Now, Morris—What's his name? There was two, I know them but I can't remember their names. They were Morris. There was two, they lived between Wilson. See, I knew the Wilson's, and they had a trade as sure as you born. | 24:31 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Now, they were witch doctors. They were called witch doctors. She don't remember, but she went when the lady down there. The lady went down and she helped, she met Mr. Morris. Let me get it right. One of them was a witch doctor and the other one was a root doctor. Now, a root doctor, he doctored just like any doctor; roots, herbs, berries and balms. | 24:56 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Oh, okay. Okay. | 25:15 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | But now, the witch doctor, boy I tell you this incident. A man went to—Morris Bond was one of them's names. Forgot the other name, but they were twins. But a man's wife had gone away so he went to Mr. Morris Bond, the witch doctor. I know the man, I can't remember his name yet. He went down there and told him, say, "Mr. Bond, my wife is gone and I want her back home. Can you get her back?" He said, "Oh, yeah." | 25:20 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He asked him what he'd charge him, and I don't know. They say he didn't charge, says he would just give him whatever. So he gave him a half a gallon jug with something in it. He said, "You put this at the foot of her bed and you count the days, 49 days out, she'll be in the bed." Told him, "All right." Went on and sure enough, that happened. So he was a witch doctor at the time. And he even had it, they could take a knife and a fork and do something to a chair that if you sat down, you'd have trouble getting up. And you see, that worked. Now I ain't actually talked to anybody, but I talked to this man. | 25:44 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And there's another incident that I talk a man—What was that? Oh, yeah. That was the other one, though. The one other doctor. He went to him and they give him something to take. And he said, "I can't swallow that." He said, "Watch me," and he took it. He said, "Go on home, you'll be all right." And that man went home and for a day he was bad off, and then he got just as well as anything. So he went back to him and told him, say, "It worked." | 25:44 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So it's a miracle. Now they were, see the old people now, they can tell you. You might run across someone else who was a real old people in that era, can tell you. But they were known in Halifax County and everywhere. So the difference was the root doctor performed tricks and the herb doctor, the other doctor, he doctored by some herbs. Now, it was a root doctor down there, his granddaddy must've killed him because they ain't never seen him. Or grand step-daddy. Uncle William. You know about him? He'd know Watkins, don't you? You heard about that, about busting Watkins' head? | 26:51 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | No, sir. | 27:26 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, I knew Watkins and Coleman too. Knew both of them, and so he was going about charging people a quarter. You got to kill his chicken and cook him and save him the gizzards. So, William put out that he wasn't doing nothing in the world, but just robbing folks out of the money. And Watkins got hold of him. Samuel was with him; Samuel was a little boy with him. You remember Samuel? | 27:36 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Samuel Silver? | 28:07 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, Samuel Scott. | 28:07 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Scott, I mean yeah. No, I don't remember. I only remember the name. | 28:07 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Oh, well he was with him, a little boy. And so, Watkins got hold of him and uncle Williams put out that he wasn't nothing but robbing folks. So Watkins got hold of him and one day he went up into the woods, every where you live and every where I live, just full of woods. Just tend the crop here and yonder. And if you went from your house to mine, you went through the woods. You understand? | 28:09 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Right. | 28:24 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So, Watkins got hold of him and run up there with him one day. And he says, "William." They called him Bill, too. Said, "Tell me that you been around here putting out some news on me." And he said, "If you fool with me, I'll put a spell on you." And uncle William said, "If you mess with me—" Uncle William walked with a stick. You remember William? | 28:30 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | No, sir. | 28:50 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | No? You heard of him? | 28:50 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yes, sir. | 28:50 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That was your step-granddaddy. | 28:50 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Right. | 28:50 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And uncle William told him, said, "I'll put this stick upside your head." He said, "Ah!" And he performed some kind of miracle. Went around like that and uncle William said, "Don't you come close to me. Don't you come close to me with that mess!" And William was scared of him. So when he got a little too close to Watkins. Watkins been around here right three or four years. He got a little too close to uncle William and William cracked him with that stick. And he come at guy again, he cracked him again. Watkins left during that night, don't know what become. Nobody's never heard from him since. You've never heard of him, have you? | 28:52 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | I heard it before, yes sir. | 29:16 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Uh huh, well that's true. Watkins, he never came back anymore. And he had been around there all—Well, Mr. Francis, I was here down in the barn with Horace Jones. He doctored on him before he cut his leg off. Remember one-legged Horace Jones? | 29:28 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | I remember, yes sir. I remember him. | 29:31 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Uh huh, well he doctored on that. That was one of his patients. That was the first place I met him. When he come, you always had to cook chicken and save him the gizzards. | 29:39 |
| Kara Miles | Why did they save the gizzard for? | 29:41 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I don't know. I don't know. | 29:41 |
| Louise Scott | That's what he wanted. You know, it's big for somebody that don't know what the baby's for. | 29:41 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | But they had all such tricks like that. In other words, they'll take a dog's liver and dry it out, and put it in a bag and carry it with them. No dog would bite them. They say you get some dirt off a graveyard, but I don't know about that. | 29:55 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | It does what? | 30:12 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Get dirt off by a dead person born. Get some dirt off that and put it in a bag. Something like a little flower or tobacco bag. People used to—One of those cigarettes first days, you had to roll your own. You take a little tobacco bag, put it in there. A lot of them carry that because all them old dogs then mostly would bite. | 30:14 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | But these new doctors, they had a thing, they carried a dried dog's liver in a bag. And they tell me—I don't know it to be true, but they tell me the dog wouldn't bite them. I don't think it bite Mr. Coleman. I don't remember enough about him to talk about him, but I remember Watkins all right. That actually happened during my daytime. | 30:22 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | But going back to tell you about—Well, I told you though, about Mr. [indistinct 00:30:53]. I told you about that. So I've actually talked in a lot of these stories and things. I kept a lot of them and a lot of them, you know, just drifted away. I even made a record of a whole lot of things. My daughters came down a few years ago and was cleaning up, and destroyed the records of some things I done had for over 50 years. | 30:46 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Oh my goodness. | 31:04 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's right, and I don't have a worldly recording. | 31:12 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | One of the things I was telling them about was the [indistinct 00:31:17] community and how those men came together and bought that entire community. That was the largest purchase of land by Blacks in those days, recorded. And he know the people who did it. He know every one of them. | 31:15 |
| Kara Miles | How did they go about doing that? | 31:36 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | My father wrote deeds, married couples, he was a licensed minister. | 31:41 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, and a doctor. | 31:47 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He wrote deeds and married couples. Practiced medicine. He had a large store right near where the home place is now. | 31:51 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | We went down there. | 32:02 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And I set up there many days. His father, the first tractor I ever saw, he bought the first tractor in that community. | 32:07 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | My grandfather. | 32:11 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Your grandfather. The tractor had lights, so he'd go out there and plow a lot. | 32:11 |
| Louise Scott | He taught me a lot. | 32:11 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's right. We had all our land. And really there's something else, I been able to tell the historical. Right down there's a railroad, where you cross the railroad? About 400—I don't know how many feet, but anyway, to the left before you cross it, it's a iron rock called [indistinct 00:32:38]. It's that big. | 32:20 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | It used to be there. | 32:53 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Is it gone? | 32:53 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yes, sir. | 32:53 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well you know, I used to go down there and get the mail and Mr. Francis buried that. He buried that. | 32:53 |
| Louise Scott | He sure did, I remember. | 32:53 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And I went down and looked at it. And he buried some old iron stuff with him. It was so big, couldn't move it. So he dug a whole and buried it. And since then, it's gone. | 33:17 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Mm-hmm, yes sir. | 33:18 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, good. | 33:18 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Those same wells that you say the man dug, he used to cover the wells with. | 33:18 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's right. Oh, he did? | 33:18 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Right. | 33:18 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, he buried it, he dug it up then. He buried it because it was so big, he couldn't move it. | 33:18 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | That's exactly right. | 33:19 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | A lot of that. | 33:20 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | I helped them do it. | 33:21 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, yeah? Is that so? | 33:22 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yeah. | 33:23 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, I'll be darned. Well, that was years ago when he buried it because when I was quite a boy. I used to, I'd sit on it. Yes, sirree. But I don't want anybody to know about it. I say, "I'm going to get to there," because that might still be there and I think it's a historical value. | 33:27 |
| Kara Miles | Right, right. | 33:40 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | It's sitting right out in the middle of the field. | 33:41 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Huh? | 33:44 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | It was sitting right out in the middle of the field. It was near where that meal was. | 33:45 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Uh huh. Well, that was Gaston Company. That was before Delmar Company come there. | 33:48 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Oh yeah? | 33:53 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah. | 33:54 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Mm-hmm. | 33:54 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | The rock I'm talking about was sitting there before Delmar come there. Delmar Company in about 1916. This was about 19—I remember when they first come there. | 33:55 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Oh, yeah? | 34:03 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yep. Because that 1916, they loaded the last boiler. 1926, I helped load it. The last piece of equipment, I helped load it. Every one that worked there dead to me. Now, way to help you, I came from Wilson. Worked out, helped loading all that stuff. | 34:12 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Oh yeah? | 34:18 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Uh huh, sure did. And that was 1926. When Mr. Morris left, everything left. Left the post office to Daniel Silver. He run the post office for a while and everybody gone, nobody's getting no mail, so they come own and they close the post office down. | 34:22 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | That's right. | 34:34 |
| Kara Miles | That's in Delmar? | 34:34 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That was in Delmar. | 34:34 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Right down where we went to the railroad? | 34:38 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's right. | 34:38 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Now, this man that he was just talking about, Mr. Silver, he was a Black man. He was a postmaster. In those days, that's in 1926. | 34:43 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's right. | 34:47 |
| Kara Miles | So when did they close the post office? | 34:48 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Closed the post office. | 34:54 |
| Kara Miles | In 1926? | 34:54 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And the post office is—A lot of people even post master's now, but they know I'm right. Post master was Lawn, on account of [indistinct 00:35:02]. | 34:54 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | That's right the name of the town was Log. | 35:02 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Did I ever tell you how he got his name? | 35:02 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yes, sir. | 35:07 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Okay. | 35:08 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | When the men got off the train, they didn't see nothing but logs. | 35:09 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, you see that used to be before I was born, that used to be Reed's Crossing, how you cross the railroad up further was Buck's Crossing, if I ever heard of Buck's Crossing. | 35:11 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | That's right. | 35:25 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So, gas and lumber company, my father said came down. They wanted the post office but didn't naming the Gaston, but they couldn't do that because that gas was right overt river here. They couldn't name it Delmar because it was another place that had a place named Delmar so that was hooked. And the place was growing about 300 people who had assembled there, that come there. | 35:26 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And so, they sent a delegation there on the train, of White men, to see if they could find a name. And Mr. Silver and my daddy, the man we tell about who owned the land, and probably your daddy. I don't know, but I know Mr. Silver and my uncle Dave, and papa all met down there. | 35:49 |
| Louise Scott | Is that the book? | 36:19 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | No, that's her book. | 36:19 |
| Louise Scott | Huh? That's hers? | 36:19 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Uh huh. The shoe fly into the train and it stopped there 10:30 in the morning, you had a flagger. And it stayed in the evening, and that was the train. So, they could have a train station, but they couldn't have a post office in Delmar. So this man came up there and they suggested different names. Dad looked at the list and said, "We already got that in North Carolina." | 36:24 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So one of the men, now I wasn't there, but that was the story. So it's very true; it come from all of them, all them old folks. So one of the men looked across and they had about five acres of logs. When they brought logs in on train, [indistinct 00:36:51] was there in there. He brought logs and they dumped the surface logs right on the ground, and they'd pick them up as they need them. So from here, I would say there was houses all around us. [indistinct 00:37:12] houses or a stereo company. The Carolina stereo company. So one of the men said, "Well, I don't see nothing here but a bunch of buildings and a bunch of logs." | 36:38 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He said, "Well, how about let's name it Log?" And so the name is Log. Now I got many letter—I thought I had a letter from Virginia that was wrote for me a long time ago— | 37:13 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | I want one of those letters. | 37:21 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | —out of Log, North Carolina, but there's some here, one here somewhere. But I looked at it and saw it had moved to Imfield. May the 10th, 1926, I left Delmar for good. | 37:23 |
| Louise Scott | Come to my house. | 37:30 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | This girl, she wrote me a letter. She wrote me a card, she wrote it at Imfield because I told her— | 37:30 |
| Louise Scott | Took me from another fellow. | 37:30 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | —I thought it was Log, but it weren't. But I got one from someone here or another, and I can tell some of the past masters now, and they don't know nothing about it. They get through looking at me. I told two post masters here, and they looked up and said, "You're right." | 37:42 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | You showed it to me. | 37:56 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, there you go. | 37:57 |
| Kara Miles | How many people lived in Delmar? | 37:57 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | It was about 300 people worked there. Yeah, I never known how many houses they built for those people, but it was a bunch of those houses. | 38:02 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | I remember the last one they tore down. I helped my grandfather tear them down. It was up there where Elijah Silver used to live. | 38:09 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, I worked there six months tearing down a house. | 38:16 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | You know, one thing I remember about that? The toilets were all built over a ditch. | 38:19 |
| Louise Scott | Let me get that old door from behind you. | 38:23 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Do you remember? | 38:25 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Built over a ditch? | 38:25 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Over a ditch. | 38:26 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, I never heard of that. Ain't heard that before. | 38:26 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yes, sir. | 38:26 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I know how all of them was built, alright now, but I didn't know it was built over a ditch. Well, what they call that place back there, now? Where the Colored folks live. | 38:36 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Where? | 38:38 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | You remember you go straight across and had the houses on both sides and you go down and then you made a L turn, but they were pointing that way. | 38:41 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Across the railroad? | 38:47 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | No, the house in Delmar. Do you remember the houses in Delmar? You don't remember how they were situated, do you? | 38:48 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | No, sir. | 38:51 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Oh, no. That's too far back. | 38:51 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | I remember the ones on this side of the railroad where the rock was, you was speaking of. Because I helped my grandfather clear that land off. | 38:55 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Uh huh. | 39:02 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Anything across the railroad, I don't remember anything about it. | 39:03 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, all of them was across the failed road. Wasn't nothing across this side, but the mill. The mill was this side. Weren't no houses on this side. | 39:06 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Mm-hmm. Mr. Dan Silver's house was on this side. | 39:13 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Daniel Silver's house was way back up. Yeah, that's right. | 39:15 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yeah, near the woods coming down. Right. | 39:16 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's correct, that's right. | 39:20 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | That was the last one we tore down. | 39:22 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | But you see the stage mill and the storage room and all that stuff was on this side. | 39:25 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Other side? Yeah. | 39:28 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, on the side next to Mr. Francis. But there weren't no houses nobody lived. No houses, I know that. All the houses on the other side and where the Colored people live, they call it the Alley. | 39:30 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Oh yeah? | 39:39 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Uh huh, that was called The Alley. It was somewhere up about, right about 40 houses on each side. You go down, never was paved or nothing. Just straight down and you get down there, you make a turn, go the other way. I know so well because I sold fish and beef and all that stuff in the wagon. When they killed a cow I had to go down and carry them all, sell them all beef. Fish at that time wasn't sold by the pound. It was sold by the string. | 39:45 |
| Kara Miles | When, "by the string", what does that mean? How— | 40:06 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's right. | 40:06 |
| Kara Miles | —many fish are on the string? | 40:06 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah. Depending on the size. | 40:08 |
| Kara Miles | Oh, okay. | 40:09 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | They were 10, 15 cents a bunch. Sold many of them. | 40:09 |
| Kara Miles | Now, Black and White people both lived in Delmar then? When the Black people owned it? | 40:19 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, that's right. The White people lived up on the hill because it was on the other side, but it was up. They lived on the front. Colored folks lived back in the Alley, called it the Alley. | 40:36 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | And then when the mill moved away— | 40:36 |
| Kara Miles | Oh, that's where they worked as well. | 40:38 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | —that's when the Blacks bought it all. | 40:38 |
| Kara Miles | Oh, okay. | 40:41 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | When the work went away, the people left. They came there from vessels and they had a cotton contract experiment. And they cut the contract out, all the men left and people then moved. Sometimes, if you talk with a man today and the next day, he's gone. Never see it. I saw some of them. | 40:42 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | There's a man living in Terry now. He lived there, Willis Wesley's step-son. I met him about two years ago. He's the only one. I went to Lewis some years ago and all the names I called, this man was a minister and he was a cab driver. And all the men that I called, I saw the mill and everything, they come to Delmar. But all the names that I called, the people were dead. Uh huh, that's right. | 41:02 |
| Kara Miles | What year did the mill leave? When did the mill leave? | 41:28 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | '26. | 41:35 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | The mill? | 41:35 |
| Kara Miles | That was '26? | 41:38 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yeah. | 41:39 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Started in 1916 and then— | 41:39 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, and then that's when all the Black people bought all the land? | 41:41 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | No. Black people bought land way before my day. The Black people bought land, I can't remember. I used to remember who bought it. I remember who did a lot of surveying when they was cutting it up. Mr. Carr, his grandchildren is dead now, anyhow. And another man from [indistinct 00:42:05] City. I carried the line many days for civilians, the different plots of land in there. They were surveyors. I was a little boy, and I can't remember the names, but my father wrote most of the deeds. | 41:44 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | But he's dead too, and he was, my father got in kind of bad health and I wrote the, where aunt Velma live, I wrote that deed. Out on the Wallace Francis track. All the Francis track. | 42:11 |
| Louise Scott | Where Velma lived? | 42:33 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Uh huh, right along in there was a house, right side of our store. | 42:34 |
| Louise Scott | That's right. | 42:36 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, I'm right. I wrote the deed. Papa dictated and I wrote it. And so, when they got ready to sell it to Mr. Francis, I helped him get it. Got ready to sell it to Mr. Francis, Wallace sent me the deed and that's my handwriting. | 42:37 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Oh yeah? | 42:52 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I did it with my handwriting. I told him then that Papa dictated and I did the writing. So, you had to, I had to go before a notary republic because Papa was dead. And I had to swear that that was my handwriting, and then they had to send out to Roy before he delegated deed. And Roy [indistinct 00:43:00] got it straightened out, but I wrote that deed. And Mary had a sister, Parker, to call. You remember her? | 42:52 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yes, sir. Mm-hmm. | 42:59 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That was the first marriage I was over and I signed her marriage license. Uh huh. | 42:59 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Because they left and moved to Terry, too. | 42:59 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's correct, that's right. Yeah. | 43:00 |
| Kara Miles | You talk about your father being a minister. Did he get—where did he get to go to school? Did he get to go to school, and where did he go? | 43:00 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He was self-educated. I had his hand—What do they call that? I had one of his cards he signed. I got to look for that. | 43:00 |
| Louise Scott | I don't know. I think you put it up. | 43:00 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He went to school at base, so he don't told them but his brother folks. [indistinct 00:43:50] because they had a club foot, children laughed at him and never forget it. No, he was self-educated. He had a beautiful handwriting. I wish I—You remember this guy? I'm a show it to you. I got his handwriting? | 43:00 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | The what? | 43:00 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Papa's hand writing. | 43:00 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | No, sir. | 43:00 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I got it here. He had professional handwriting, and could write faster than I can. | 43:00 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Oh yeah? | 43:00 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Oh, yeah. | 43:00 |
| Kara Miles | Where was your mother from? | 43:00 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Bankerville. Father was from Harrison and mother's from Bankerville. They got down there following the lumber company. He started his own lumber company, but with having a club foot, they started him towards the war. If you had a group of men, they usually have it. That's where the word water boy came from. You hire a boy. If he had a bunch of men working out in the field. They hire some boy and they didn't have wells like that. Most the time it's springs all over the country. And he'd bring them water, you understand? | 44:25 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's where the word water boy come from. And so, he started with this company, Montgomery Lumber Company, as a water boy. And if anybody got hurt or got sick on the job, he was skilled with medicine. And most people, as I said, doctored with herbs and whatnot, but he told me about different people that did doctor with herbs and he said he didn't do witchcraft. He didn't believe in witchcraft. He definitely didn't, no. I repeat what he said. He said if you believe in the Bible, you don't believe in witchcraft. | 44:37 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And another thing, he said, "Nobody can hurt me." He said, "They'll try." Said, "Nobody can hurt me because I don't believe in it." Said, "If you don't believe in it, they can't hurt you unless they put something on you or in you." And he lived with that philosophy, as long as he lived. | 45:01 |
| Louise Scott | I think he got the truth there. | 45:25 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | That's my philosophy. | 45:25 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | But uncle William, his step-granddaddy, he believed in it. We were going to prayer meeting one night and got along up there by where Nate [indistinct 00:45:44] house. You remember that house, that house was built for Nate [indistinct 00:45:46]? | 45:34 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yes, sir. | 45:45 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Got up there and a Black cat run across the road, going to the left, and he turned all around the road and made a circle. And then went on. | 45:45 |
| Kara Miles | Why did he do that? | 45:53 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Said that was bad luck, Black cats. He had to make a circle. And I known him many times after he and aunt Josie busted up, he wouldn't go anywhere without sprinkling sulfur all the way around the doorstep. Did you know that? | 45:55 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | I heard of it, yeah. | 46:07 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I was a witness. Sprinkle sulfur. He going anywhere, sprinkle some. Scared Josie was going to put out himself and hurt him, his wife. Yeah, so he believed in it, but papa didn't. | 46:08 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Was [indistinct 00:00:02] as guidance. | 0:01 |
| Kara Miles | Oh, okay. | 0:02 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And he told them that they would never [indistinct 00:00:07] the church in [indistinct 00:00:07] I heard as well when he said, "I wanted to preach in his church one more time." He said, "I was a baby back then in 1907 and that was the year I was born." But [indistinct 00:00:20] But when he moved from [indistinct 00:00:24] my only sister died and her [indistinct 00:00:34] I was born down there, but they were born down there. This [indistinct 00:00:37] down there, they changed the name from Montgomery [indistinct 00:00:41] Anyway, he was a water boy out there. So when the company moved, he moved, that's the way he [indistinct 00:00:48] and he first [indistinct 00:00:50] and then he moved out here when he bough the [indistinct 00:00:53] and he was skilled at helping people, somebody got sick, he helped with his job. Now, I never heard him call himself doctor. A lot of people call him doctor. | 0:03 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Sure did [indistinct 00:01:03] | 1:02 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | But [indistinct 00:01:03] I said, "I help people, I'm just man," that was all he did. [indistinct 00:01:03] the ancient tradition, they didn't call themselves doctors, they called themselves medicine men. I knew a [indistinct 00:01:18] Frank Wilkins [indistinct 00:01:19] he never call himself doctor, he called himself medicine man. Like he take his—get him some medium, get some leaves. Rub 'em up in [indistinct 00:01:34] meal and half, cook about a half [indistinct 00:01:39] make his pills, give them to you, give you some tea until you drank so much of that. So I was working there and they arrested Frank, but Frank was taking the doctor's pill, the rest of him [indistinct 00:01:53] And so they had a trial and I come to work even though I asked [indistinct 00:02:07] the same way [indistinct 00:02:07] he was just [indistinct 00:02:07] like on the front of the street, bottom of the street. I asked him what [indistinct 00:02:09] she said nothing [indistinct 00:02:11] | 1:02 |
| Kara Miles | [indistinct 00:02:12] | 2:10 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So he told them he wasn't practicing medicine, told him he was doing the same thing his forefathers had done along with the White man they would come to this country [indistinct 00:02:18] just like [indistinct 00:02:22] to Jacksonville [indistinct 00:02:24] so he [indistinct 00:02:24] the case dismissed and that was it. So Frank left, then about three months after that, the [indistinct 00:02:35] hospital wanted him there and about five or six years I went back there after [indistinct 00:02:35] to get a job and he was back there practicing again but he moved out just before I come, but [indistinct 00:02:35] that's where I live, the last time I live in [indistinct 00:02:35] that's where I live in Frank's [indistinct 00:02:35]. | 2:11 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So they had a tradition, my father, he took it up from some of his forefather back there, so after he got out [indistinct 00:03:03] and got in that area, that area's why they got sick [indistinct 00:03:06] and stay away from the home two or three days [indistinct 00:03:08] come to back to Mama and, "Jackson, where in the world has you been all this time?" And so [indistinct 00:03:14] sometimes he would [indistinct 00:03:16] walking, sometimes driving but weren't no cars. She [indistinct 00:03:23] so and so just to [indistinct 00:03:24] I went out there and just stayed and got done. But most of time he didn't hardly ever lose a patient, he went [indistinct 00:03:34] and he had the record of not losing a patient, he did lose a patient, [indistinct 00:03:38] he called [indistinct 00:03:40] So he didn't lose the patient. Yeah, they had to [indistinct 00:03:44] man, you heard it. He talks [indistinct 00:03:46] | 2:35 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | I heard he was one of the best in the community. | 3:39 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's right, they [indistinct 00:03:46] but he don't even [indistinct 00:03:46] | 3:39 |
| Kara Miles | [indistinct 00:03:46] | 3:39 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That was his, I reckon, first [indistinct 00:03:46] and they broke it, probably [indistinct 00:03:46] on him, they got some [indistinct 00:03:57] it got so bad they called him Dr. [indistinct 00:04:00] and he died the next day, I was there when he died. Now [indistinct 00:04:04] | 3:45 |
| Kara Miles | How did your daddy get to be friendly with Dr. Ferguson? | 4:06 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Huh? | 4:09 |
| Kara Miles | Dr. Ferguson was a White man, right? | 4:10 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yes, White man. | 4:11 |
| Kara Miles | How did you daddy get to be friends with him? How did your daddy did to work with him? | 4:12 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I don't really know how the friendship began, I was too young, but I know when I was quite a kid one of calls Dr. Ferguson had a [indistinct 00:04:29] and he would come down any day and come right to [indistinct 00:04:33] Ma would put me on the [indistinct 00:04:35] already and before [indistinct 00:04:37] that thing had springs under it and I had [indistinct 00:04:40] the ward, he might come down [indistinct 00:04:44] I don't know why [indistinct 00:04:46] Robert Jones and he [indistinct 00:04:50] and he got [indistinct 00:04:50] your family, all that. And we have [indistinct 00:04:55] So then he bring me back home, and I don't know how the friendship started, I know Dr. Ferguson [indistinct 00:05:06] Travis and Mr. Hale, when I was a little boy they'd come over there and [indistinct 00:05:09] and didn't have nothing but black powder[indistinct 00:05:14] daddy still smoke, black powder and they would smoke [indistinct 00:05:19] But how it started I don't know because I guess that started before I was born. But I know that relationship started and Dr. Ferguson died one September and my father died next both at the same age. | 4:16 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Now back in those days with the Black doctors and the Black undertakers. It's my understanding that the Whites didn't necessarily want to doctor the Blacks and want to bury the Blacks. | 5:34 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's right. | 5:49 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | So therefore they endorsed a Black person in order to take on to bury the Black and to treat the Black [indistinct 00:06:00] | 5:49 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I think that's very true. It was certainly true with the burial. Right, it was certainly true with the burial if not with the doctor. But Dr. Ferguson treated all of them. When [indistinct 00:06:12] father had a hard case, and back there was where he office was, where [indistinct 00:06:17] office was and they were sitting many days. Back in those days, I don't know what, but most of young folks they had [indistinct 00:06:24] I had them myself. [indistinct 00:06:26] they living and they could tell you how [indistinct 00:06:31] had chill. [indistinct 00:06:34] during the day get [indistinct 00:06:36] get sick and [indistinct 00:06:39] come and get in the bed and you would get hot, cold, Mama piled all the covers she could get on you. And really after a while, after chill went off you have fever anyway. So I had them myself, but my mama, she knew a lot of root doctors still. She was not root doctor, they didn't call it, they just told people to just helped people there in [indistinct 00:07:13] And so they had, what was that [indistinct 00:07:16] take a peach tree— | 6:00 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | The bark. | 7:19 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | —and do something. I don't know what they do with it. But anyway, Mama put a string around our waist and somebody told her to tie a knot every time I had a chill, tie a knot, they said before she got there. [indistinct 00:07:33] I stopped having them and she tried and it worked. I remember that string just [indistinct 00:07:37] she didn't have twine, she had a big old some kind of coil string and that [indistinct 00:07:42]. Every time I have a chill she tie a knot in. | 7:19 |
| Kara Miles | Did you mother and father ever work together when they went to help people? | 7:46 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | No, they worked separately, they didn't get along together so good, no way. Somebody would come there, Papa would do something for them, and Papa would be gone then my mama she would do what she could for them. And never [indistinct 00:08:06] take a cent of money, she wouldn't take no money. | 7:50 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | That's right. | 8:08 |
| Kara Miles | Do you remember any other of your mother's treatments that she would give people to make them better? | 8:09 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah I [indistinct 00:08:17] what it is, it's called [indistinct 00:08:19] and she'd take the [indistinct 00:08:23] and you know we had a fish pond right out the house, there was a fish pond down there. | 8:16 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | 'Cross the railroad? | 8:24 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | No, I [indistinct 00:08:31] where I was born. | 8:24 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | [indistinct 00:08:34] | 8:24 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah. | 8:24 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Oh, yes sir. | 8:34 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:08:35] they call it. | 8:34 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Right, that's right. | 8:34 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:08:35] | 8:34 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yes, sir. | 8:35 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Mama, she should've been—most of them had sores on their leg. I got marks on my leg know where I had them in that dark place and Mama she use all the [indistinct 00:08:51] dark and all the [indistinct 00:08:51] root and she's take it and boil it and strain it and she kept it. And like children have sores and things, she give them that and tell him, "Take so much and so a day." And then peach tree leaves. She used peach tree leaves for something, I've forgotten now what that was because now this [indistinct 00:09:10] came there about three years ago and asked me could [indistinct 00:09:15] and she wanted some peach tree leaves say "you got some peach trees, you mind if I get some from the grove out there?" She had brought it here herself and [indistinct 00:09:23] and she used that for some kind of ailment, I don't know what it was. And catnip, C-A-T-N-I-P. My mother used that for something, she grew it. And sage, I got my sage bushes gross that [indistinct 00:09:37] she grew sage to [indistinct 00:09:39]. | 8:41 |
| Kara Miles | What did she use the sage for? | 9:39 |
| Louise Scott | [indistinct 00:09:42] | 9:39 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I don't remember, but she used [indistinct 00:09:45] | 9:39 |
| Louise Scott | [indistinct 00:09:45] | 9:39 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I can't remember these things it's so far back. I can't remember exactly [indistinct 00:09:50] | 9:45 |
| Louise Scott | [indistinct 00:09:51] | 9:49 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | All the time and sassafras, but [indistinct 00:09:55] she used that in— | 9:52 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Sassafras. | 9:54 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | She used that as a tea and then used that as a medicine too. | 9:55 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | How about [indistinct 00:10:04] root? | 10:03 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Huh? | 10:05 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | [indistinct 00:10:07] root? | 10:07 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I believe she used that for dogs. | 10:07 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | [indistinct 00:10:09] dogs, that's right. | 10:09 |
| Kara Miles | She worked on dogs? | 10:09 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah. | 10:09 |
| Kara Miles | Oh, okay. | 10:09 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He was [indistinct 00:10:15] dogs. | 10:09 |
| Louise Scott | [indistinct 00:10:16] dogs, that's right. | 10:09 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, she knew how much to give them. And I try them dogs and kill the dogs and [indistinct 00:10:22] I gave them too much. I didn't know it was that. But [indistinct 00:10:25] told her, he said, "I'm going to tell you something." He said, "Anything that'll help you will hurt you, anything that'll kill you will kill you." He said, "[indistinct 00:10:38] I know the right amount to use"— | 10:19 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | That's right. | 10:39 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | —"And you don't know it. So you could take too much and kill you." He said, "I can give you the right amount and it'll help you because that's what [indistinct 00:10:48]." | 10:39 |
| Kara Miles | Did they ever teach you or your brothers and sisters how to doctor people or how to help people? | 10:48 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, they called me healthy [indistinct 00:10:54] here's doctor [indistinct 00:10:54] | 10:53 |
| Kara Miles | Oh, okay. | 10:53 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | —because I kept the medicine, now [indistinct 00:10:54] ask my wife and I talked it over with Shirley— | 10:53 |
| Kara Miles | Oh, and she [indistinct 00:10:54] | 10:53 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | —and several people in the community. | 10:53 |
| Louise Scott | [indistinct 00:10:54] I reckon. | 10:53 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | There's a man in the rest home now. | 10:53 |
| Louise Scott | [indistinct 00:10:54] | 10:53 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:10:54] You got a [indistinct 00:10:54] doctor with him. | 10:54 |
| Louise Scott | Who is it? | 11:14 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He was [indistinct 00:11:16] | 11:15 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | [indistinct 00:11:16] | 11:15 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Just worked out of the train station. When I first come to Halifax, baseball hit him here and busted the [indistinct 00:11:24] clean up in here. He came to me when I was in [indistinct 00:11:28] time and didn't have no money, didn't [indistinct 00:11:30] | 11:16 |
| Kara Miles | During the depression? | 11:30 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He came to me and I was down to [indistinct 00:11:33] He said, "Scott." He had heard [indistinct 00:11:34] we worked like that. He said, "Scott, I would fix my [indistinct 00:11:36]." He saw a [indistinct 00:11:36] that guy can't [indistinct 00:11:36] a doctor. He says, "Scott, I ain't go no money to go to the doctor," and he [indistinct 00:11:42] just cry he's a great big old boy. And I say, "Well, oh, no, no." I said, "I'm a barber, I got [indistinct 00:11:42] you take my [indistinct 00:11:42]." And he tried saying [indistinct 00:11:42] got around that [indistinct 00:11:42] I started [indistinct 00:11:42] fix his hand anyway. I said, "Now listen, if this goes good or bad," I said, "Don't you put my name in it." | 11:33 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And when I got through with him, I told him, I said, "Now, you come back in [indistinct 00:11:56] a week," and I said, "Let me see it." I said, "I may need to take [indistinct 00:11:56]." I got some silk thread, sterilized the needle, and I come just putting it together, so I make no mistake if he was—Yeah, he'd been driving a car around here the last year. He [indistinct 00:12:35] he didn't tell it and I didn't tell it. | 11:38 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And so he didn't come back and I saw him about two weeks after that and I say, "Hank, come here, come here," and I was kind of [indistinct 00:12:48] I looked at his hand, his hand was going to heal up with [indistinct 00:12:53] tell you to come [indistinct 00:12:54] he says, "Scott, it was doing so good I didn't want you [indistinct 00:12:57]." He said, "I'll just let it go." I said, "You keep your mouth shut, I [indistinct 00:13:01] for you, I told you to come back." And then he walked around here in about 7 to 10 years [indistinct 00:13:05] I told him, and I told him [indistinct 00:13:07] a bunch of [indistinct 00:13:11] to a baseball game, I'll tell you what I saw [indistinct 00:13:15] Dr. White was living [indistinct 00:13:17] I'm going to tell Dr. White when I get [indistinct 00:13:19] and put you in jail [indistinct 00:13:21]. So learn quite a few. I have my forceps now where I pull teeth and [indistinct 00:13:25] I pulled all of his teeth out. | 12:33 |
| Kara Miles | Oh, okay. | 13:30 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And I wouldn't pull them unless they had a certain [indistinct 00:13:32] they kept doing [indistinct 00:13:37] didn't sell nothing [indistinct 00:13:41] So I did several things that I learned under my father because these are just incidents and [indistinct 00:13:45] died in Baltimore, his mother be up there until she died, his sister lived down there and I told her, "You can tell [indistinct 00:13:46] you want and never gets old." They been working around here [indistinct 00:14:02] and he's been heading in up here in about two or three days. So he come in the shop [indistinct 00:14:08] He says, "Scott", he said, "I got a toothache," he said, "I [indistinct 00:14:11] the last two days and they [indistinct 00:14:12]," they didn't believe in no doctor. | 13:30 |
| Kara Miles | Oh, okay. | 14:12 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | His whole family didn't believe in no doctor. So he said, "I don't want you pulling this tooth." And I said, "Open the mouth," [indistinct 00:14:14] and I looked back in the back, wisdom tooth, and I didn't see no tooth and I said, "I don't see no tooth." And he said, "It's right by back there but it was swollen." I said, "Oh, my goodness." I said, "That's a abscess," I said, "[indistinct 00:14:14] you know my daddy, Mama going to [indistinct 00:14:14]." He sat there and [indistinct 00:14:14], "Scott, do something for me." He said, "I know you can." He said, "I've seen you do things like that." I went to [indistinct 00:14:21] where he worked [indistinct 00:14:21] So anyhow, I keep [indistinct 00:14:21] | 14:12 |
| Louise Scott | Was [indistinct 00:14:21] | 14:13 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:14:21]. I can show you know, I snapped with [indistinct 00:15:08] it has a loop underneath it, I'll tell you about that [indistinct 00:15:11] | 14:20 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yes, sir. | 15:10 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So anyhow, went and got my [indistinct 00:15:11] and sterilize it [indistinct 00:15:11] put him in the barber's chair and when [indistinct 00:15:19] I hit it like that, and when I hit it, the blood gushed out, he said, "Woo, man, that feels good," and he put hands on his jaw." I would've got scared, but I had some [indistinct 00:15:35] to stop the bleeding already, I had stitches [indistinct 00:15:36]. And so I went and got some stitches, I had [indistinct 00:15:36] stitches that [indistinct 00:15:37] | 15:10 |
| Kara Miles | That [indistinct 00:15:37] | 15:35 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So he [indistinct 00:15:41] and put him some of that or some [indistinct 00:15:43] then I [indistinct 00:15:43] start to put down his [indistinct 00:15:46] he washed his mouth out, I looked down there, the [indistinct 00:15:49] was pushed up and trying to break through, and I when I hit it, that [indistinct 00:16:00] popped open just like that. And he talked about that a long time to break through. | 15:41 |
| Louise Scott | It was trying to break through. | 15:59 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Trying to break through and [indistinct 00:16:01] it broke through so much so that when I hit it, with the lance, I hit with a lance, a lance is real sharp, I cut [indistinct 00:16:09] | 16:02 |
| Louise Scott | Right. | 16:10 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And when I hit it like that it just popped open and the blood [indistinct 00:16:13] and I couldn't tell what's what. But he slapped his hand and goes, "Woo, man, that feel good, gracious of me." That's the only thing that helped. | 16:10 |
| Kara Miles | Let me see, you were a barber, you were a doctor, and you made shoes? | 16:21 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, [indistinct 00:16:21] a doctor and I doctored on the side. | 16:21 |
| Kara Miles | Oh, okay, I believe that. | 16:21 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | But these are actual facts. So now going back to [indistinct 00:16:37] this woman live around here [indistinct 00:16:40] something fell down in the [indistinct 00:16:43] penetrate the heart and she knew about [indistinct 00:16:50] she heard about it and she figured, "Well, my husband's gone over here," and so I looked at her [indistinct 00:16:52] a little piece of coal just below [indistinct 00:16:52] I could see it. But I got a magnifier, took the magnifier and looked at it, and I said, "Well, you better [indistinct 00:17:08]." She said, "Well, you don't [indistinct 00:17:08]." And I said, "No, [indistinct 00:17:09] I said, I can ask you what [indistinct 00:17:13]." He said, "I'll tell you the truth," he said, "[indistinct 00:17:15] every night," and he says he would do anything [indistinct 00:17:19] So I got the [indistinct 00:17:21] I hooked onto it and [indistinct 00:17:24] I ain't going to [indistinct 00:17:27] that. So he gets [indistinct 00:17:27] knocked it right out of her. He said it was a loose [indistinct 00:17:33]. | 16:21 |
| Kara Miles | Oh. | 17:32 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So he put some [indistinct 00:17:37] come on back and she got it. So once [indistinct 00:17:40] come by here, he lives out here in the country, he came by here sometime after that and he said he [indistinct 00:17:47] he say he went to the doctor too, he gave a shave [indistinct 00:17:54]. I said, so I looked at his [indistinct 00:17:57] I said, "Ms. Claredon," I said, "You got something in your eye and that problem get [indistinct 00:18:01]." I said, "You going to the doctor." I said, "[indistinct 00:18:01] let the doctor get you [indistinct 00:18:01] because I ain't got no [indistinct 00:18:01]." He said, "Get [indistinct 00:18:01]." I said, "No, you better go," and he said, "Get that for me, I'll pay you." He said, "Just like you pay a doctor." Well Dr. White then [indistinct 00:18:01]." And so I went there and got my [indistinct 00:18:01] pulled up and trying to [indistinct 00:18:01] I was like that turn it on [indistinct 00:18:02] and I saw what it was and I put the [indistinct 00:18:28] I said, "Now, Ms. Claredon," I said, "No, don't give me nothing, this [indistinct 00:18:35] you going to the doctor." And I said, "Don't sit [indistinct 00:18:39]," because I might have not have got to all that, but I got [indistinct 00:18:41] what I saw. | 17:35 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So he lay on down and he was a drinking man, he liked to drink. So he comes back later on and had him a sip of wine [indistinct 00:18:50] he come in the shop and I said, "How are y'all?" He said, "Fine," and I said, "What did Dr. White say," and he said, "I aint' been to Dr. White," and put a dollar in my hand. He said, "You've got it." That's right. | 18:43 |
| Louise Scott | [indistinct 00:19:01] | 18:56 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So his brother [indistinct 00:19:02] | 18:56 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | No, sir. | 18:56 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:19:07] to tell you showing [indistinct 00:19:07]. | 18:56 |
| Louise Scott | Oh, I know of him [indistinct 00:19:10] where I lived. | 18:56 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, now [indistinct 00:19:11] there and I'll tell you that. [indistinct 00:19:13] he said he going to the doctor, he had a [indistinct 00:19:21] he said he going to the doctor. So I cut his hair and I said, "[indistinct 00:19:21]," and I said, "Now, I'm not a doctor," and I said, "But I think I can take care of you here." I'd been getting [indistinct 00:19:26] and doing such as that the whole time, I [indistinct 00:19:30] he threatened to take my license, he did [indistinct 00:19:33] but he would've [indistinct 00:19:35] | 19:12 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | [indistinct 00:19:39] | 19:33 |
| Louise Scott | [indistinct 00:19:39] | 19:33 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, a whole lot of money, so I worked on [indistinct 00:19:43] and I said, "Now if they [indistinct 00:19:43] you going to the doctor." He [indistinct 00:19:45] don't worry about it and I didn't see him in a week. | 19:43 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | You lanced it? | 19:47 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yep. So in about a week he come to me and tell, "Here's something for you," put some money in my hand and I said, "What's this for?" He said, "[indistinct 00:20:09]," he said, "That's [indistinct 00:20:09]," he said, "[indistinct 00:20:09]. I said, "You go to a doctor?" | 19:48 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | "No, I didn't go to no doctor." And he'll tell you [indistinct 00:20:09], "I didn't go to no doctor, son, you fixed it. That thing [indistinct 00:20:10]." So I had several instance like that and [indistinct 00:20:14] he's dead, but [indistinct 00:20:14] blacked out. I fixed his neck for him but he blacked out [indistinct 00:20:20] | 20:08 |
| Kara Miles | [indistinct 00:20:20] | 20:08 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He said [indistinct 00:20:23] Now, he didn't faint on [indistinct 00:20:26] he fainted on that liquor he drink and he looks like he's [indistinct 00:20:27]. He said [indistinct 00:20:28] he comes out [indistinct 00:20:30] he went home, same thing happened to him. [indistinct 00:20:33] I was fixing [indistinct 00:20:35] | 20:30 |
| Louise Scott | With what they call cow [indistinct 00:20:39] | 20:37 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, [indistinct 00:20:42] in the wreck and the doctor [indistinct 00:20:47] and that [indistinct 00:20:50] they fix it up and about a month he started getting in trouble, he in all kind of trouble. So he say, "come in down here and look at it." And I said, "Yeah, I've been [indistinct 00:20:57] this place a long time." I said, "Jack, I can fix you up." And so the doctor he sowed up [indistinct 00:21:06] he telling [indistinct 00:21:08] such a thing today. But she was right back here. | 20:39 |
| Louise Scott | Back in your [indistinct 00:21:24] | 21:23 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | But she [indistinct 00:21:24] slightly and [indistinct 00:21:24] In fact, it has puss in it and anytime you had puss you got infection. And so anyway, I pulled it up and [indistinct 00:21:27] | 21:23 |
| Louise Scott | [indistinct 00:21:29] | 21:26 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So I pulled all of that up and [indistinct 00:21:34] So after I pull all the hair, he asked me, he says, "Is it regular hair," he looked at it, "It's regular hair [indistinct 00:21:42] grow back? I said, "Yeah, it'll grow back but it'll be gray" And sure he enough he [indistinct 00:21:46] with gray hair, he's gray all over and come back [indistinct 00:21:50] he live 25 years [indistinct 00:21:53] he come back. | 21:30 |
| Kara Miles | How did you know it would be gray when it came back? | 21:54 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Because I had done that before. | 21:55 |
| Louise Scott | He got cleaner sense. | 21:58 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | The one man when [indistinct 00:22:07] he had a great big bump on his jaw. | 22:07 |
| Kara Miles | [indistinct 00:22:08] | 22:07 |
| Louise Scott | Oh, [indistinct 00:22:08] | 22:07 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And I asked him, "Where does that come from?" And he said, "[indistinct 00:22:08]." I said, "You to open down in here." | 22:07 |
| Louise Scott | Yeah, I wouldn't be here with you. | 22:11 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He said, "[indistinct 00:22:12] can you do something for it?" And I said, "Yeah, I think so." So I reset [indistinct 00:22:16] a pinpoint, got my pinpoint tweezers and Chris is around here working on [indistinct 00:22:22] and he got a whole [indistinct 00:22:23] and pull out a strand of hair about that long. | 22:11 |
| Louise Scott | [indistinct 00:22:34] | 22:24 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | She had some [indistinct 00:22:36] it couldn't come out and it just went around, and around, and around, and around under there. I had had some cases like that before, but [indistinct 00:22:43] had the same problem and that's why I knew Jackson [indistinct 00:22:47]. So I guess I took that out and I did some things that I hadn't seen [indistinct 00:22:51] I've seen pull black teeth. Yeah, [indistinct 00:22:59] last year [indistinct 00:22:59] when she was a little girl, she's got grandchildren now [indistinct 00:23:03] two. She says [indistinct 00:23:07] and I said, "All right, [indistinct 00:23:09] over here." So I had [indistinct 00:23:13] sit down here. She was about 50, 60 years old, so I told her, "I'm [indistinct 00:23:16]." I said, "All right, I think I can fix you." So I took the forceps, put them on there and when I grabbed the forceps she said, "Aah," and jumped up like that and [indistinct 00:23:27] and I said, "You [indistinct 00:23:28] hear you." And she [indistinct 00:23:33] or nothing, she'll tell you because last time I saw and she [indistinct 00:23:36] and I asked she remember [indistinct 00:23:36], "Yeah, sure, I ain't never going to forget that," said, "You scared me to death." She hollered though and she hollered the truth come out. Yes, siree. | 22:36 |
| Kara Miles | Where did you get your instruments for helping people? Did you make them? | 24:01 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Where did I get my instruments? | 24:01 |
| Kara Miles | Mm-hmm. | 24:01 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, maybe here and yonder. Yeah, I don't remember. The forceps I lost it, [indistinct 00:24:02] I had [indistinct 00:24:02] but I don't know where they moved out, I lost them somewhere [indistinct 00:24:02] I ain't going to [indistinct 00:24:02] use anyway, but I can pull it with the [indistinct 00:24:13] I got my [indistinct 00:24:15] and I did all such a thing as that plus [indistinct 00:24:23] toenails, all that. | 24:01 |
| Louise Scott | Mine. | 24:27 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | My wife, I was afraid she was going to get an infection so I had to [indistinct 00:24:31] | 24:28 |
| Louise Scott | It was so heavy [indistinct 00:24:35] | 24:31 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | You remember [indistinct 00:24:38] | 24:36 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I took care of them, but [indistinct 00:24:40] anywhere, I'm [indistinct 00:24:42] anywhere I see a sign of infection, I don't [indistinct 00:24:46] | 24:44 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yes, sir. | 24:45 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's a doctor's job. In barbering [indistinct 00:24:50] but a barber's not allowed now. She used to take all warts and moles, and all of that in 1937, they stopped the barbers [indistinct 00:25:01] some people breaking [indistinct 00:25:04] all that, and some of these old folks [indistinct 00:25:14] trim the cone and we ended up [indistinct 00:25:18] and one day I was [indistinct 00:25:19] and I saw a sign of infection, so I [indistinct 00:25:19] to the doctor and [indistinct 00:25:19] so I [indistinct 00:25:19] Then when I see a sign of infection that's out of my range, I was always [indistinct 00:25:20] and they didn't know what infection was, they always look for infection, anything like that [indistinct 00:25:20] sign of infection [indistinct 00:25:20] | 24:46 |
| Louise Scott | You've sure done your part, but [indistinct 00:25:20] with you. But papa wouldn't have done half what you done for me. | 25:20 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I got all the stuff now [indistinct 00:25:20] | 25:20 |
| Louise Scott | [indistinct 00:25:20] he got a lot from me, I [indistinct 00:25:20] save my money, I had to go to the [indistinct 00:25:20] to do for me and I was glad I had him. | 25:20 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I sold them [indistinct 00:26:04] showed them how to use it [indistinct 00:26:08] and the cone between the two [indistinct 00:26:12] and explained to them [indistinct 00:26:16] and that's all in between [indistinct 00:26:18] was callus and that means [indistinct 00:26:19] This is [indistinct 00:26:23] between the toes is cone but that's soft cone you cannot take a soft cone out into your [indistinct 00:26:31] when you get it dry and you take it out, it's between your toes it's [indistinct 00:26:38] and that's what I saw [indistinct 00:26:40] I give you a soft cone [indistinct 00:26:43] yes, sir [indistinct 00:26:47] Later on they made something [indistinct 00:26:52] | 25:20 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | [indistinct 00:26:54] | 26:50 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I got a cone between my toes, [indistinct 00:27:01] could you don anything with it? Yeah, [indistinct 00:27:05] you do something with it. But why are you arguing? And [indistinct 00:27:08] you hear something because I say I got a [indistinct 00:27:12] they going to take care of that. But I start to hear a lot of people around here they [indistinct 00:27:18] | 27:13 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | You remember Dr. [indistinct 00:27:21]? | 27:19 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Out here? Who? [indistinct 00:27:24] stay in the hospital 71 days. | 27:21 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Under him? | 27:27 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, when I got my legs broken [indistinct 00:27:31] | 27:28 |
| Louise Scott | Right there [indistinct 00:27:34] | 27:29 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Got my legs broke and I was the only one that got hurt, broke my legs [indistinct 00:27:43] it's why I limp. | 27:39 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Tell them about it. | 27:49 |
| Kara Miles | [indistinct 00:27:49] which incident. | 27:49 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And all of [indistinct 00:27:53] four hours on the car and all [indistinct 00:27:54] with me and I got the [indistinct 00:27:54] and I got my legs broke and I wasn't in the car. | 27:52 |
| Kara Miles | How did that happen? | 27:53 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So I broke my legs and I wasn't in the car and where was I? | 28:06 |
| Louise Scott | The car hit you. | 28:06 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Standing on the running board, cars had running board then | 28:13 |
| Kara Miles | Oh, okay. | 28:18 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Cars had a running board and I got on the running board [indistinct 00:28:20] and I said, "I'll get on the running board." So I got on the running board, and [indistinct 00:28:22] turned the car and broke my legs, the car fell over but I was in a ditch. Shit, throw me through the air about 20 feet and I landed in a ditch and the car fell over [indistinct 00:28:24] when I was in the ditch, but [indistinct 00:28:24] broke my legs. I think the [indistinct 00:28:24] the spinning in the air what broke my legs. I stayed in the hospital, I stayed there 50 days, I think it was 50 days or 48 and I told him, "See Doc, I have a band and I play the violin." The doc [indistinct 00:28:49] he was going down to [indistinct 00:28:50] to play [indistinct 00:28:53] and so Ms. William, Ms. McClaredon, they were the head nurses and so I took my fiddle and play a little piece, well, they went and put the casts around my leg, I [indistinct 00:29:07] that left [indistinct 00:29:08] and I felt it when it slipped, it slipped like that. So I [indistinct 00:29:08] and I said, [indistinct 00:29:08] that fracture slipped." And she said, "How do you know it slipped?" And I said, "I felt it slipped." | 28:19 |
| Louise Scott | That's [indistinct 00:29:08] | 29:05 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | She said, "[indistinct 00:29:08] and he's going [indistinct 00:29:08] but I don't know what we going to do.?" So I told her, I said, "Bring me some cotton." And she went out and got some paris of cotton [indistinct 00:29:15] and I picked right tight. So when the Dr. [indistinct 00:29:28] said come in, he didn't [indistinct 00:29:28] the next morning because [indistinct 00:29:28] and I told him it slipped. He said, "Well, I don't think it slipped," and he said, "You just think it slipped." He said, "What [indistinct 00:29:44]," and I said, "I did, I got your [indistinct 00:29:47] to try to hold on place." So he said, Well, [indistinct 00:29:52] let's go with that." He said, "I can't take that cast off [indistinct 00:29:54] and clean up the body across the body." So [indistinct 00:29:58] so I stayed there a month and so [indistinct 00:30:02] he walked in after he tried to finish operating [indistinct 00:30:06] he and Dr. [indistinct 00:30:07] said, "Well, Jasper" he said, "We've come here this morning to take that cast off your leg and see how you're doing." I said, "Oh, I'm glad [indistinct 00:30:27]," I said, "I'm tired of laying here in this bed." | 29:07 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So they come there and they cut the casts off, when they cut the casts off [indistinct 00:30:27] says, "This here [indistinct 00:30:28] so yes, so Jasper's right, so he told me slipped so it did slip." So they [indistinct 00:30:37] He said, "Well, Dr. [indistinct 00:30:40] I'm here at the [indistinct 00:30:41]," he was resting [indistinct 00:30:44]." So Dr. [indistinct 00:30:46] said, "Well," he said, "The one thing to do." And I said, "What is that?" He says, "[indistinct 00:30:52] and put pins in it," and he said, "I did that last week, sir." I said, "No, siree, I [indistinct 00:30:58] quick." The nurses, there were two nurses in there with me, they all laughed at me. He said, "Well, that leg's going to be shorter than the other one and he says [indistinct 00:31:10]." He says, "But that leg going to be shorter," and I say, "It won't be a foot shorter," and he said, "Oh, no [indistinct 00:31:14]," and I said, "Let it go, [indistinct 00:31:17] over here." | 30:15 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So they took that cast and put it on and put another cast on top of it and then I had to stay there for 71 days with just a white bed sheet, I hadn't seen the sun in all them days [indistinct 00:31:41] they kept the sun out in the day and when the sun got over here [indistinct 00:31:41] I couldn't see the sun. They took that cast off and three days [indistinct 00:31:47] help me get out of bed and next day, I think, I [indistinct 00:31:52] carried out the door and the sunshine hitting my face, they had to carry me back, I couldn't stand it. And then I stayed on crutches for about six months, and going back up [indistinct 00:31:59] and I thought she wasn't going to [indistinct 00:31:59] all that. | 31:40 |
| Louise Scott | Many times I went there to see you in the hospital and [indistinct 00:32:02] | 31:58 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah. So I tell you, I had a good visit and [indistinct 00:32:02] | 32:01 |
| Louise Scott | In the [indistinct 00:32:02] of course I was going to [indistinct 00:32:23] | 32:01 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:32:23] don't tell that [indistinct 00:32:25] | 32:23 |
| Louise Scott | I done told that, it took me [indistinct 00:32:26] | 32:25 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:32:27] | 32:25 |
| Louise Scott | I love you to bits. | 32:25 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah. | 32:25 |
| Kara Miles | Tell me some more about Dr. Dugaset. We heard he was run out of town, do you remember that? | 32:32 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | All right, well, I can tell you before when I was living there and I was barbering three doors from the hospital and Dr. Dugaset was just like a brother. When I got out of the hospital and when he was going to see patients, he had patients [indistinct 00:32:49] and when he'd go and see patients, I couldn't work nowhere, I walking on two crutches. But I sat around the barbershop and he come down and get me and says, "Johnson," he said, "Come on and [indistinct 00:33:05]." So I got to go to [indistinct 00:33:06] And so I [indistinct 00:33:13] during that time, he talk about his passed life, how he came to the United States and what he did, how he got his education and so forth [indistinct 00:33:22] | 32:45 |
| Louise Scott | [indistinct 00:33:23] | 33:20 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So I learned his family— | 33:20 |
| Louise Scott | Right in my hometown. | 33:20 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | —and a lot of it I remember today. Dr. Dugaset, they came from Grenada on a ship, they got off in New York and they [indistinct 00:33:38] the answer to the questions. They got off in New York and got a job as a dishwasher, he got naturalized, he worked his way through Howard University, he taught in some branch of Howard University, I don't remember, now, what he taught, and worked his way through medical school. When he got through medical school, he took his first practice on under Dr. Furlon and Dr. Furlon was from Grenada just he was and Dr. Furlon has his hospital in [indistinct 00:34:10] | 33:28 |
| Louise Scott | [indistinct 00:34:11] | 34:09 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And so he worked with Dr. Furlon until he got to go on his own. From there his put his office in Wilson, he doctored in Wilson for a good while, maybe about two or three years and he found a [indistinct 00:34:29] he adopted that. So he came into [indistinct 00:34:34] Liz's ma had been down, he knows [indistinct 00:34:39] they was [indistinct 00:34:40] and he don't know the whole sector, he know the sector. | 34:11 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | That's right. | 34:42 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | This is the old sector I'm getting into now. [indistinct 00:34:48] had been there for years, they being Jews and he was brown skinned just like [indistinct 00:34:54] and we didn't talk with [indistinct 00:34:57] So they got him to doctor on her and he was doing her so much good until somebody else got it, and it took Dr. Nickolson and Dr. Fleming's patients. And that's when they got [indistinct 00:35:10] run him out of town. | 34:49 |
| Louise Scott | That's my hometown. | 35:17 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So later on, he had [indistinct 00:35:21] got to the hospital. | 35:19 |
| Louise Scott | [indistinct 00:35:22] | 35:21 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I got to order my papers there like [indistinct 00:35:27] because they had a club and I joined the club, and I still got my club card. The [indistinct 00:35:28] once a month. | 35:24 |
| Louise Scott | And it's some [indistinct 00:35:33] | 35:28 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:35:33] and we paid him up. Anyhow, he built a hospital called Community Hospital and that was [indistinct 00:35:42] hospital and I spent 71 days there. And so he stayed there after I went to [indistinct 00:35:49] he stayed there, I think, about two or three more years. Oh, in the meantime while I was there, I was sitting in the reception room one night and there was a big commotion going on the front, out the front. And I didn't pay it on mind, and I come to find out it was the Ku Klux Klan right across from his hospital. And put some papers out there and threatened to kill him if he didn't leave town. I could walk pretty good and I was going to her house, I think, that night and the Ku Klux Klan, the first time I ever seen the Ku Klux Klan, they come [indistinct 00:36:29] they going to [indistinct 00:36:30] with the hoods on and I'm looking at them because there was a White fella there, they beat his wife, I can't think of his name, and they went to his house same thing and I was right along that area when he come by. | 35:32 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So the next morning I goes down to find out what that was. I was right there and I didn't know [indistinct 00:36:47] They put [indistinct 00:36:49] out there, I knew he was out the front, Dr. [indistinct 00:36:53] out there and throw the cross down and stop [indistinct 00:36:57] and then [indistinct 00:37:01] come back, of course, they did here. But then I know [indistinct 00:37:04] they kept that place guarded with shotguns [indistinct 00:37:08] two weeks [indistinct 00:37:09] and come back [indistinct 00:37:11] | 36:41 |
| Louise Scott | [indistinct 00:37:12] And they [indistinct 00:37:14] | 37:12 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So I was [indistinct 00:37:15] which was just 12 miles away, that's why I went out there, that's next [indistinct 00:37:18] that's why I went at, it was about two years after that I was down [indistinct 00:37:24] I got, he said, "Jasper," he says, "I'm going away." He said, "I'm going to leave Halifax and I'm going back to New York." And Doobie, his son, his daughter Nicky had got [indistinct 00:38:03] in North Carolina [indistinct 00:38:04] you know where it is? | 37:14 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yes, sir. | 38:03 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, if you go there, you ask [indistinct 00:38:04] | 38:03 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | The [indistinct 00:38:04] | 38:03 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:38:04] he's a doctor. | 38:03 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Oh, yes sir. | 38:03 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He's a doctor. [indistinct 00:38:04] he'll know me. | 38:03 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | I'll be sure to. | 38:04 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:38:06] I forgot now what first name is. But anyway, we always call him Doobie. So he told me, he said, "They tried to run me [indistinct 00:38:18]." He said, "They tried to run me away," and he said, "They couldn't run me away." He said, "Now, they want me to stay here," and said, "Dammit, I'm going anyhow." So he went back to New York. During the time he went back to New York, [indistinct 00:38:33] New York or when he moved back. But when he moved back, he moved to [indistinct 00:38:38] North Carolina. I got a letter [indistinct 00:38:38] he typed it. | 38:08 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | [indistinct 00:38:38] | 38:37 |
| Louise Scott | [indistinct 00:38:38] | 38:37 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So guy told me where he was and I [indistinct 00:38:38] wrote he letter, and he typed me a nice letter, I keep that [indistinct 00:38:38] All right, from Trenton, he moved to Goldsberg, took [indistinct 00:38:38] and I went to see him three or four times. One time when [indistinct 00:38:43] now Hershel in a barber and [indistinct 00:39:07]. And one time I went to see him and he had gone home, Ms. Green said, "He's gone home." So he said he going to [indistinct 00:39:15] he says it's so far. They didn't have airplanes back then to fly [indistinct 00:39:20] go by ship. Took him 14 days to go to Grenada, so next time I went to see him, if my memory's correct, he going up to [indistinct 00:39:34] his home, he had a heart attack and he say he [indistinct 00:39:38] and the next time I went to see him, not the next year, he was back in the office and he was so glad to see me but he was sick then [indistinct 00:39:53] he had stopped [indistinct 00:39:54] and go back to the room for a patient, and I stayed there and had a long conversation with him. | 38:37 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | But he married another woman, they had one child and the lived on Gully Street, right next to [indistinct 00:40:06] next door. I went to the home [indistinct 00:40:07] had died, Doobie and Nicky's mother died, and he still was on [indistinct 00:40:13] Gully Street. In the meantime, he run for town council and he missed that and didn't elected [indistinct 00:40:18] didn't get elected. | 39:58 |
| Louise Scott | [indistinct 00:40:19] | 40:17 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And he was sick too so he went back to New York and died the same day. | 40:20 |
| Kara Miles | And where was the hospital going? What time period were you in the hospital? What time period was that? | 40:26 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | What time? | 40:27 |
| Kara Miles | Mm-hmm, you said the 1930s or the 1940s. | 40:27 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Oh, you [indistinct 00:40:36]. | 40:27 |
| Kara Miles | Mm-hmm. | 40:27 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Went there on May 4th, came out July 13th. | 40:27 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, of what year? | 40:44 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That was 1928. | 40:45 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, so how long was the hospital open [indistinct 00:40:51]? | 40:45 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | For the reception? | 40:45 |
| Kara Miles | Mm-hmm. | 40:45 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Probably for 20 years. | 40:45 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, okay, and it was open during the 1920s? | 40:45 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's right. That right. | 40:45 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. Did the hospital have a name, what was it called? | 41:03 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Community Hospital. | 41:05 |
| Kara Miles | Community, okay. | 41:05 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Community Hospital. | 41:05 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 41:05 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I think that's right [indistinct 00:41:06] moving a whole lot, but I really think [indistinct 00:41:06] that's the [indistinct 00:41:16] over there, all his patients and all his patients [indistinct 00:41:20] he gave patients [indistinct 00:41:23] they paid 50 cents a month, that prescription didn't cost. He filled his own prescription, he charged for a prescription and that was $1 I think. But if you remember the organization, and also he had a forum, a [indistinct 00:41:38] very much and we could go ahead and sit in that [indistinct 00:41:41] back there all night and he stamped on that date and [indistinct 00:41:44] I kept. Yeah, [indistinct 00:41:48] His daddy never been sick—not daddy, his granddaddy— | 41:05 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Granddaddy— | 41:48 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | —[indistinct 00:41:48] he hurt his arm and [indistinct 00:41:49] you don't remember that, do you? | 41:48 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | No, sir. | 41:53 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Doc [indistinct 00:42:04] was the doctor who carried that arm in the sling, the [indistinct 00:42:06] was the doc. [indistinct 00:42:09] didn't tell about? | 42:03 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Oh, yes, sir, he told me about it, but not before my time. | 42:09 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Dr. [indistinct 00:42:13] was the doctor [indistinct 00:42:14] | 42:12 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | I—I were born in '41. | 42:12 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:42:17] 41. | 42:12 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | I was born in '41. | 42:17 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | You were born in '41, I see, I see. No, that was before you were born. | 42:17 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Right. | 42:23 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Because Ms. Francis [indistinct 00:42:27] the first trouble that he ever had [indistinct 00:42:32] really got to a doctor everybody except [indistinct 00:42:35] | 42:30 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | That's right. | 42:41 |
| Louise Scott | Is that a [indistinct 00:42:42] or a tablet. | 42:41 |
| Kara Miles | It's a tablet. | 42:41 |
| Louise Scott | A tablet. | 42:41 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | No, [indistinct 00:42:42] ladies, that's these girls. | 42:41 |
| Louise Scott | I don't know, I ask [indistinct 00:42:45] | 42:42 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:42:46] | 42:42 |
| Louise Scott | I'll just say [indistinct 00:42:49] | 42:48 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | And [indistinct 00:42:51] went to the [indistinct 00:42:51] | 42:51 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:42:54] All right, now you know anything else about Dr. [indistinct 00:42:58]? | 42:51 |
| Kara Miles | [indistinct 00:42:59] Who was the doctor here before Dr. [indistinct 00:43:04] came? | 42:51 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Now, that was [indistinct 00:43:07] who was the doctor. | 42:51 |
| Kara Miles | Was there a Colored doctor there before him? | 42:51 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I don't think [indistinct 00:43:14] | 42:51 |
| Louise Scott | That's my hometown [indistinct 00:43:17] | 43:15 |
| Kara Miles | [indistinct 00:43:18] | 43:16 |
| Louise Scott | That's my hometown [indistinct 00:43:19] | 43:18 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:43:19] before I was born— | 43:22 |
| Louise Scott | That's my hometown. | 43:30 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | —he had to sit with our sister. | 43:33 |
| Louise Scott | When I went to [indistinct 00:43:34] | 43:33 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | It's been [indistinct 00:43:34] didn't stay there long [indistinct 00:43:34] | 43:34 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | [indistinct 00:43:37] | 43:34 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:43:37] a long time. Yeah, [indistinct 00:43:38] he went to— | 43:39 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | No, he died. | 43:40 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Huh? | 43:40 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | He died about five years ago. | 43:41 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I thought somebody told me he died. | 43:43 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | No, he was practicing in— | 43:44 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Petersburg. | 43:44 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Petersburg, right. No, when he died, he died in [indistinct 00:43:50] | 43:48 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, yeah, I see [indistinct 00:44:10] last time I talk [indistinct 00:44:10] | 44:01 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | That's right that was [indistinct 00:44:10] | 44:09 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I [indistinct 00:44:10] one day and he told me he was [indistinct 00:44:12] | 44:09 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | That's right. | 44:11 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, he was a [indistinct 00:44:14] Yeah, when he got [indistinct 00:44:21] he got the [indistinct 00:44:21] he got [indistinct 00:44:21] some kind of [indistinct 00:44:21] | 44:14 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | That's right. | 44:21 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:44:21] that's why [indistinct 00:44:21] But we was so valuable, the Whites [indistinct 00:44:23] he told me in his words, "Now," he said, "I'm going," he said, "They don't want me to go so I'm going anyhow. So they couldn't run me away," he said, "Now they don't want me to go." He said, "I'm going anyhow." So I don't know what to say about that well, he said, "I'm [indistinct 00:44:35] and I appreciate you." He said, "I [indistinct 00:44:43]." And he did [indistinct 00:44:47] | 44:21 |
| Kara Miles | Do you remember the Ku Klux Klan any other times doing any other things to other Black people? | 44:49 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I've never seen the Ku Klux Klan, just I probably saw members but you didn't know who they was [indistinct 00:45:06] but I never before seen any that I saw that night, so [indistinct 00:45:06] too. By coincidence they stopped right there [indistinct 00:45:09] So I saw the hood over the face, all the caps up, the first time I ever. I don't know why I didn't [indistinct 00:45:20] but it didn't frighten me a [indistinct 00:45:22]. | 44:54 |
| Kara Miles | Did ever see any after that, any more Ku Klux Klan? | 45:24 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | They were very active during the integration, they made kinds of [indistinct 00:45:34] they wanted to kill Reed Johnson. | 45:32 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | I remember all that, I was working with them. | 45:36 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He was working with them. He can tell you more about it through that area. What's that White guy that worked with Martin Luther King, John Lewis [indistinct 00:45:52] he was White, but he was working for [indistinct 00:45:52] they really wanted to kill him some kind of bad. | 45:39 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Oh, yeah. | 45:54 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:45:56] | 45:54 |
| Louise Scott | He he was [indistinct 00:45:59] | 45:54 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He was in Alabama. | 45:59 |
| Louise Scott | Oh, I know who you're talking about. | 46:02 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | It's John Lewis. | 46:03 |
| Louise Scott | Yeah, he was working with the Civil Rights. | 46:04 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, White from Mississippi and somewhere. | 46:05 |
| Louise Scott | That's right [indistinct 00:46:09] | 46:05 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, that [indistinct 00:46:11] he was working for Martin Luther King. | 46:05 |
| Louise Scott | [indistinct 00:46:16] | 46:05 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | —[indistinct 00:00:02] I ever participated in my life was in Enfield. | 0:03 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Is that so? | 0:07 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Over July, 1963. | 0:08 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, it is, you remember. You were in Enfield. I didn't go down there at that time. I have to do [indistinct 00:00:15]. I didn't go to any [indistinct 00:00:16]. I probably went down to do that, I just went down [indistinct 00:00:20]. | 0:10 |
| Kara Miles | Mr. Scribe, could you talk about how you helped with the voter registration, what you did? | 0:21 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | What? | 0:24 |
| Kara Miles | Could you talk about how you helped with the voter registration? | 0:25 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Oh, yeah. I, uh, tried to make an impression on the people, the value of voting. | 0:28 |
| Kara Miles | Mm-hmm, what did you tell them? | 0:37 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | What did I tell them? | 0:38 |
| Kara Miles | Mm-hmm. | 0:38 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, for one thing I told them in truth, they were not a citizen. | 0:38 |
| Kara Miles | Mm-hmm. | 0:41 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | They were not a full fledged citizen, as they register for voting, wouldn't be? That we are out of slavery and we'll go back into the slavery, and voting is our only hope. So I went cheering, all out from Enfield, and different places where they asked me to go. But that was my theme, was the value of voting. That was the theme that I worked on. | 0:42 |
| Kara Miles | Did you work on your own, or did you work with the group? | 1:00 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | With the group. | 1:02 |
| Kara Miles | What group did you work with? | 1:03 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Voter Registration. What was the name? I [indistinct 00:01:06]. | 1:05 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | [indistinct 00:01:08] voting. | 1:06 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Voter registration draft. | 1:06 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I think so. I had a card. They issue cards? | 1:11 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | That's right. | 1:11 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | They issue me a card. Anyway, and last, I got out there because I got to a place I couldn't care where it was, the progressive association. I think that's still in. I used to have to a meeting down that little palace. [indistinct 00:01:30], our people were pitiful, and not only did I work with them there, I worked with them in my barber shop, where we had a barber meeting in February, is the pastor of the First Baptist Church. Now made our welcome address down to Washington Hospital. | 1:11 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yes, sir. | 1:49 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And Dr. Edwards preached our son. And he said, "Why I should cut people in half so to remind them of Jesus Christ, the one who died, the savior." And he laughed at me. I spoke out, I said, "I've been doing that for a long time." I spoke out and he laughed at me. But I told him after, he said, "Well, that was all right." After everything was told, he done said [indistinct 00:02:19]. He said, "Well, I don't know." I said, "Well, nothing is wrong about that." So there's a man here, he had a nice family, and he was rough. Henry Bonney, you know of him? | 1:50 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | I sure do. | 2:40 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | All right. His last year was rough. Now as his wife Marie and varying children, show all up and register to vote. So one day I was cutting his hair. I say, "Henry—" I said, "—you're a friend of mine—" I said, "—a customer, and you have been for a long time. I tell you what I want you to do." And I say, "I want you to join the church. Quit gambling, straighten up, and join the church, and I want you to rush in and vote." And I say, "You are getting up in age now. You have a very nice family, girls, and boys, and your wife." Said, "They are all rushing, you are not rushing, and not even a member of the church." | 2:42 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | So he got outta his chair. He said, "Well, I'll tell you what Scott said, you may be right, but I'll tell you.I'm just as well off as anybody else." He said, "He ain't got no more than I got. He just built that nicely [indistinct 00:03:37] out here." He said, "He ain't got no more than I got, unless Scott got more money. He may a little more money, but I got something to last." And he said, "I'm just well off without doing all that. I don't care about [indistinct 00:03:48]." I say, "You may be as well off, but you're going to find out you're not as well off." | 3:24 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | My wife was working there with me. She had a good help then. He got out and got in the car and she jumped me. "What in the world you fool with that fool for? See how he insult?" I said, "He ain't selling me." | 3:53 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | I started telling him, I said, "Get out of here, get on out here." | 4:05 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | She said, "Yes, you need to, see how he talk to you? Toya, he was just [indistinct 00:04:12]." I said, "None of that insults me." I said, "I'm prepared for that." Three after daddy had a wreck, broke his arm, and liked to [indistinct 00:04:22]. His wife left him because he had his girlfriend, and didn't own the car, all that car. And that's why he started falling down. He fell from then on until he died. He never stopped. Some people tell him, he say, "You must have saw something." Oh yeah, I feel something, that's why I stopped to him. I thought he talked to him just like that. She was listening because he talked that, but he didn't insult me. But I'm trying to help people. They don't insult me, [indistinct 00:04:51] insult me, that's a [indistinct 00:04:51] me, that might hurt. | 4:11 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Because I can, the first I had that time, I [indistinct 00:04:56]. I've done that, I've gone out of my to help a lot of people. If they were living, they'd tell you now. I had a lot of them come back and tell me, "Shit, you [indistinct 00:05:06] didn't take any of our advice." Yes sir, because when he hit—When he brought his pistol in there, after that, he brought his pistol in there and told me what he planned on doing. I said, "Why you get this pistol?" He brought it again, you wanted to see I'm all right. Wanted to see he was all right. But I was gunsmith. And I inspect you, and [indistinct 00:05:24] was going to do all the drug dealing [indistinct 00:05:24]. | 4:51 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yeah, that boy he can have some more hats. | 5:23 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, I've done everything Nick wanted to do. | 5:33 |
| Kara Miles | How did you learn how to do all these things, Mr. Scott? | 5:38 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, through books, practice. | 5:41 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | He read books and things. You can read books, in fact, and they'll tell you how to do things, so that way, [indistinct 00:05:48]. | 5:43 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I personally [indistinct 00:05:49]. | 5:48 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | All of things, I read the books, the teachers told me what to do, and I've done just what the teachers told me to do. Bought me books like that. | 5:52 |
| Speaker 6 | Tell them about your career as a musician when you and— | 5:58 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Dave [indistinct 00:06:02]. | 6:00 |
| Speaker 6 | —uncle Elijah and Uncle Dave. | 6:02 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Mm-hmm. | 6:03 |
| Speaker 6 | When you, and Uncle Elijah, and Uncle Dave had your band. | 6:04 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's right. | 6:06 |
| Speaker 6 | You can tell them about that, how your White folks will come to get you to play. | 6:08 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | I got a smart dress— | 6:12 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, in 1925— | 6:12 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | —a smart one, a nice one too. | 6:12 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | We always had the Daddy [indistinct 00:06:19] Daddy Store. I was playing a uk. | 6:21 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Teacher didn't want it, but you didn't [indistinct 00:06:24]. | 6:22 |
| Kara Miles | A Ukelele? That's what's a uku, a ukulele? | 6:26 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Ukulele. | 6:26 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 6:26 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Ukulele, but we call it uk for short. | 6:28 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 6:30 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And so Elijah is playing the guitar, and Johnny Hasty, he's knocking the wash board with the timber's on. And David was playing the guitar. I know a little bit about music, I had one to lead, and one in second, but we decided that we need a violin for lead, and I had never played a violin. So my daddy loaned me $5 and I ordered me a violin from Steel Groupak, and I got the bottom. I took my first lesson from United States School of Music in Chicago. | 6:32 |
| Kara Miles | Was that a mail order at [indistinct 00:07:06] or how did you get—Was it a book or something? Where did you get the lesson? | 7:05 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | California to school. | 7:11 |
| Kara Miles | Oh, okay. | 7:12 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | See, there's teaching correspondence school. | 7:13 |
| Kara Miles | Oh, okay. | 7:13 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Got a correspondence for a violin. So I learned to play the violin. So I left that and went over to Enfield with our headquarters. And we got well enough to play for the schools. | 7:25 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | At my school, every [indistinct 00:07:32]. | 7:30 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Because every school in the [indistinct 00:07:32]. And I tell you we had a crowd too, everywhere we went to, we had a crowd. So the White people that got onto this band, and they began to want us to play for them. And when segregation was all full of segregation, because that was in the late 30s, I think I played in the school there. It's White school. Colored couldn't even go inside the door, unless you went there to sweep the floor. | 7:32 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I also played for the veterans down here in the building, now I told the building now I played. But anyway, we played for all the White square dancing thing, and I could play square dance music. And all out the other side of the Enfield, and people from all down the Greenville gonna get it. So much so— | 7:58 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | You're [indistinct 00:08:20]. | 8:19 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | —she gave a [indistinct 00:08:21] party one night, and I had already committed to playing. And I couldn't be the part of the folks there. I couldn't be there. They didn't dismiss playing for White people. Didn't dismiss until about one o'clock. And I had got tired of it going on them for about 10, 15 years. And I told them, I didn't go, told them all [indistinct 00:08:42]. And I still have my violin across the room that's not even playing, although I still have it across [indistinct 00:08:48] a guitar in the box for so long. So that was little music. | 8:20 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And that's what I had. I didn't have a job during the winter time. One of the jobs to coach people during the weather, unless there was a little work to done on the farm, or something. And I went to night school, well, I stuck to my night school, and I did that and bought my books and everything, that's the way I got it. Lived [indistinct 00:09:11] others walking around with no money, didn't know what to do, and I'm dressed up all the time, playing music. But I was a barber. I started borrowing in 1924 and of course, I got to cutting the hair out here in [indistinct 00:09:30]. | 8:54 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | [indistinct 00:09:31] | 9:29 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I didn't get back in the barber shop until 1926. That's when I started this special barbershop. So I barbered for 67 years, stopped last year, [indistinct 00:09:41]. | 9:33 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | 67, ooh. | 9:40 |
| Speaker 6 | How long did you retire? | 9:45 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Huh? | 9:46 |
| Speaker 6 | When did you retire from barbering? | 9:47 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | No, '91. | 9:49 |
| Speaker 6 | Oh yeah. | 9:51 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Uh-huh, '91. I'll tell you with some sick folks too, but I told 'em I'd go quit. | 9:51 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Is it too late for them to see your shop? | 9:56 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Huh? | 9:58 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Is it too late for them to see your shop? | 9:59 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | No. They can see it. They [indistinct 00:10:02], yeah, they can see it. | 10:01 |
| Kara Miles | Are you feeling okay? We don't wanna keep you too up. Are you getting a little tired? | 10:05 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Huh? | 10:09 |
| Kara Miles | Are you getting a little tired? | 10:10 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | No, I ain't getting tired. | 10:11 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 10:13 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I'm all right, [indistinct 00:10:14]. I'm [indistinct 00:10:19] show? | 10:19 |
| Kara Miles | Yeah. | 10:19 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I'm gonna say something like, "My baby said that." Yo, I know I told y'all, do you remember my baby? | 10:20 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yeah. My baby said see me [indistinct 00:10:35] that old call the police on that [indistinct 00:10:35]. | 10:34 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:10:35] she said, "Yeah." But some said, "Yo, no man. He's so old. You can't [indistinct 00:10:38]." | 10:34 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | You remember Mom Mabel? | 10:40 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah. | 10:41 |
| Kara Miles | I've seen her on television [indistinct 00:10:53]. | 10:42 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, she came out here in North Carolina. I ain't know about [indistinct 00:10:54], out here in the western part of North Carolina. But she used to be on television. Yeah, she was just as funny as she could be. | 10:53 |
| Speaker 6 | Mom Mabel said she came home late one night, and it was a young man in her house, who had broken into her house, she said she called the police, told her and said, "I just got home and I found a young man had broken into my house, I want you to send somebody around here in the morning and pick him up." | 10:57 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, you know, Virginia Barber used to work in Portsville, now she worked with AA and people a long time, Virginia Barber, her company gave her a trip to Florida. She and her husband, and she met Mom Mabel. She said that and told her, said, "Mr. Scott—" and I said, "You wouldn't have never known that if somebody hadn't told me that." Said, "That's a fine looking woman." You see her on stage with all the old clothes and shit. So that's just what she knew going on stage. Said, "That's a fine looking woman." | 11:18 |
| Speaker 6 | You know who introduced me to her? | 11:45 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Huh? | 11:46 |
| Speaker 6 | You know who introduced me to her? | 11:46 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Who, Mom Mabel? | 11:46 |
| Speaker 6 | Yeah. | 11:47 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, you seen her too? | 11:48 |
| Speaker 6 | Sure, Henry Haste's, his sister, Olivia? | 11:49 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, Olivia. | 11:51 |
| Speaker 6 | The one that got killed? She introduced me to Mom Mabel and Red Fox too. | 11:52 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Is that so? | 11:56 |
| Speaker 6 | This was in 1960. | 11:57 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Was Mom Mabel dressed up? | 11:58 |
| Speaker 6 | Yes, sure, 1966. | 12:00 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Did she look like she looked on stage, did she? | 12:00 |
| Speaker 6 | Oh, no, no, [indistinct 00:12:03]. | 12:02 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's what Virginia told her. | 12:03 |
| Speaker 6 | Oh, [indistinct 00:12:08]. | 12:07 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Virginia told me, he said, he went along. | 12:07 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Is this yours? | 12:07 |
| Kara Miles | No, that's yours. | 12:07 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Well, [indistinct 00:12:10]. | 12:10 |
| Kara Miles | Let's put the mic tape. | 12:15 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | [indistinct 00:12:17] Saturday morning. I wanted to let uncle [indistinct 00:12:20], her mother know that I was gonna keep the baby for [indistinct 00:12:23]. And the little girl won't let nobody keep her but me. She said, "Louise." I said, "Yes, ma'am." She said, "Will you keep little [indistinct 00:12:31], I gotta go to Richmond. She had some things she wants get." And so I said, "Yeah." | 12:17 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | So I went up there that Saturday morning after I left my mother's house, I helped her. And the little old girl, I think she's about six years old. | 12:38 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Yes, sir. | 12:47 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | And she come running "Here come Louise." And she run and grabbed me. Just as sweet as she can reach. "Here come Louise." I said, "Look, don't you run in this road. I come and see you." Grabbed her, and that water was nice and that. Just as nice she could reach, and her mother had to go away. She had to go to Richmond and she told me she wanted me to keep the child because the child wouldn't let nobody have anything to do her but me. That's because I nursed her, brought her up, her momma went away and lived me and her there all day by ourselves. And they were real nice to her. And she come and she come out there, "Louise, Louise, Louise." Cutest little thing. And she stayed with me all day until her mama came back. | 12:49 |
| Kara Miles | And you said this was the richest White woman in town? | 13:31 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | One of the richest White. | 13:33 |
| Kara Miles | What was her name? | 13:34 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | She's Elizabeth. She married Mr. Sam Pier's son. And she was Elizabeth. That little girl wanted me to stay with her. And I used to take her home with the little child, went home and bring her back at evening. And she said, "Mom, I want to go back." She said, "No, you can't go back." Well, they were nice people. People talk about White people, but some White people are just as the nice as [indistinct 00:14:05]. And I know they are. | 13:48 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | No, they are not that nice. | 14:04 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | I said some, I'm talking about the ones that I— | 14:10 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | But all of them in the cemetery. | 14:10 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Well, I'm talking about the ones that I worked— | 14:12 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | And they're not finna be damn but nice. | 14:13 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | I'm talking about the ones that I worked for. I'm not talking about the ones that I don't know. Yes, I know I worked for some good ones. Yes, they was. There's some mean Negroes too. Some Negroes is mean. Don't tell me, I know about all of them. I worked through school. I helped them. And then after, probably my daddy made me stop because there's too much work for me. And then I went and got this rich White lady. I asked, I said, "What you going to do with me now?" She said, "Have you finished school?" I said, "No, I stopped. My daddy told me to stop." And it was too much on me, I think because I had to work in her evening, and go to school. So I just went on and started working, I stayed right there until I married this man. I sure did. | 14:14 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | You didn't have to work no more then, did you? | 15:07 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | No, sir. Listen— | 15:08 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | She done married Dr. [indistinct 00:15:13] then, he sit down. | 15:08 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | —this lady was teaching, and she's somebody told me that Sunday, said, "You go to church Sunday?" I said, "Sure, I went to St. Paul, that's my church." She said, "I saw your boyfriend." I said, "You did?" Is she allowed to see him anytime? I said, "Well, I'm glad." She goes, "Did you talk to her?" She said, "Yeah, I spoke to her." After y'all talk about me. She said, "Look, as you know, I wasn't talking about you." That's as nice as they could be. Yes, sir. And I ma—I married him too, school teacher was born with me. | 15:18 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | But listen, Louise, saw him that Saturday night. My brother academy, we went to a place we used to stop by where he was, and stop, and talk. And so anyway, that Sunday, I went to church and I saw him and I said, "You going to with me home?" "Yeah, I'm going to with you home." Well, he loved me and I loved him, and I've been with him 50 years ready, [indistinct 00:16:17] fresh to finish my school. | 15:47 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | More than 50 years. | 16:19 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Well you tell it then if you know more than it's 50 years. You know more than I do. I know you know more than I do. Ask him. It may have be a week over, but I've been with him 50. | 16:22 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's as close as you can get without going over a week. | 16:40 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Listen, that's all right. I've been with him. And I ain't been with him all those 50 either that I haven't. All this stuff here, I'll volunteer if this is only over in been 50, we'd be looking worse than this. Sure would. This is stuff, and I bought this and put it in here. If nobody don't like it, they ain't got to sit on it. I'm gonna keep you here. I ain't got no whole lot of money. | 16:44 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | You want to use the phone, right? | 17:13 |
| Kara Miles | Mm-hmm. | 17:13 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | [indistinct 00:17:15] | 17:13 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:17:15] was calling saying he had some [indistinct 00:17:17] down on the [indistinct 00:17:18], so he took the hatch and cut his toe off while he [indistinct 00:17:27]. And he got infected. He died from him. A lot of people— | 17:24 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Oh my God. | 17:30 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | —don't know that, but he did it. I was staying in the [indistinct 00:17:34]. You remember Wal and Sampson [indistinct 00:17:36]? | 17:31 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Sure, that was Liyara's daddy. | 17:35 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Your mother and my mother's sister. Where's Frank? | 17:39 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Frank dead, ain't he? | 17:40 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Frank Adams. | 17:40 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Frank. | 17:40 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Frank Adams. | 17:42 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Go ahead and put your right hand. | 17:42 |
| Kara Miles | What's your current address? | 17:52 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | My current address? | 17:53 |
| Kara Miles | Mm-hmm. | 17:56 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Not this name Box 337. | 17:56 |
| Kara Miles | 337. Okay. | 18:07 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Afax CNC. | 18:07 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 18:07 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | It's 27839. | 18:07 |
| Kara Miles | And thank you. | 18:08 |
| Speaker 6 | [indistinct 00:18:12] box. | 18:11 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, thank you. And your home telephone? | 18:12 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | 583-2111. | 18:18 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 18:22 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Post 919. | 18:22 |
| Kara Miles | Okay And what is your middle name? Mr. Scott. | 18:24 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | R-A-U-S, Raus, pronounced Raus. | 18:25 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, you said you were born in 1907? | 18:31 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Born 1907. | 18:34 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. What was the month? | 18:36 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Huh? | 18:36 |
| Kara Miles | What was the month? | 18:36 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Oh, April the 5th. | 18:36 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. And where were you born? | 18:42 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I was born in Belmont. | 18:44 |
| Kara Miles | Oh okay. | 18:45 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Which is the Enfield township. | 18:50 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 18:55 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Enfield Township? | 18:55 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Mm-hmm. Yeah, Belmont is Enfield township. | 18:55 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 18:59 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Then you'd be in my [indistinct 00:19:01]. | 18:59 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Mm-hmm. | 18:59 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | I didn't know you was born in [indistinct 00:19:04]. He said Enfield, yeah, he was in Enfield township. | 18:59 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. And what's your wife's middle name? | 19:07 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Middle name? | 19:09 |
| Kara Miles | Mm-hmm. | 19:10 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Uh, Elizabeth. | 19:12 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Louise Elizabeth Scott. | 19:14 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | We just used Elaine. [indistinct 00:19:20] Scott. | 19:19 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | I was Elaine, but they changed. | 19:23 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | The name's [indistinct 00:19:24]. | 19:23 |
| Kara Miles | And when ere you born? When was your birthday? | 19:23 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | March 14th, 1906. | 19:23 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | 1906, March 14th. | 19:23 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, and where were you born? | 19:30 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Linville. | 19:31 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Linville, North Carolina. | 19:31 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | I was born in Rocky Mount, Passville, but that's my hometown [indistinct 00:19:38]. | 19:32 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Oh, is that where she [indistinct 00:19:40]. | 19:32 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | They took me to Two Sisters. Took me to the hospital— | 19:32 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. What was your mother's first name? | 19:44 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Sallie. | 19:44 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | —In Rock Mountain. | 19:44 |
| Kara Miles | S-A-L-L-I-E? | 19:48 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Right. | 19:48 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. And did she have a middle name? | 19:50 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Gooden. G-O-O-D-E-N. | 19:53 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. Was that her maiden name or her middle name? | 19:56 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | No, that's her— Hewlin was her maiden name—it was middle name. | 19:57 |
| Kara Miles | Oh, G-O-O- | 19:57 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Sallie Godden Hewlin. Sallie G Scott. | 19:57 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, what was her maiden name again? | 19:57 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Her middle name was Godden. | 19:57 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Did they play [indistinct 00:20:08]? | 19:57 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, and what was her maiden name? | 20:08 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Maiden name, she was a Hewlin before she married to a Scott. | 20:12 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, how does she spell Hewlin? | 20:17 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | H-E-W-L-I-N. | 20:19 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. Do you, by chance, remember her birthday? | 20:21 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Huh? Her [indistinct 00:20:26]? | 20:25 |
| Kara Miles | Mm-hmm. | 20:26 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | No, it's hard. She wasn't keeping birth records back then. | 20:26 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 20:30 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | It's hard to tell. We got some evidence, but don't rely on that. | 20:30 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. Do you remember the year she passed away? | 20:39 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | It's on the paper [indistinct 00:20:44]., I don't remember. | 20:43 |
| Kara Miles | It's okay, [indistinct 00:20:47]. | 20:44 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Oh, you ain't got it though, it seemed like in 1959. | 20:44 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 20:44 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I don't know. | 20:44 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. Do you, by chance, remember how old she was when she passed away? | 20:58 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Mmh? | 20:59 |
| Kara Miles | Do you by a chance remember how old she was when she passed? | 20:59 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | 80. She was just [indistinct 00:21:38] that age. We had to take that from somebody else. | 21:04 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | What is that? | 21:38 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | A camera. | 21:38 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. And do you remember where she was [indistinct 00:21:38]? | 21:38 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | A camera, [indistinct 00:21:38] somebody else. | 21:38 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | When she was old, records [indistinct 00:21:38]. | 21:38 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, how do you spell it? | 21:38 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:21:38], of course, I understand. | 21:38 |
| Kara Miles | B-R-I- | 21:38 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | B-R-I-N-K-E-Y-S B-I-L-L-E. | 21:38 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 21:38 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Brinkey because it was a steel [indistinct 00:21:38] at the time, was going [indistinct 00:21:38]. You never know it had [indistinct 00:21:38]? | 21:38 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | No sir. | 21:38 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Our Air Force Young Brother Heads folks that should write a full—Staff cost 2 cents. | 21:38 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | No. We don't know [indistinct 00:21:38]. | 21:38 |
| Kara Miles | Do you know what County Brinkeys Bille was in? | 21:38 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Halifax. | 21:39 |
| Kara Miles | Huh? Oh, okay. | 21:39 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | The question is [indistinct 00:21:40]? | 21:39 |
| Kara Miles | No, that's fine. I just wanted to know what county Brinkeys Bille was at. And what was your father's first name? | 21:39 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | General Jackson Scott. | 21:43 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 21:44 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | He was named to be famous. | 21:50 |
| Kara Miles | Mm-hmm. | 21:51 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:21:52] Scott. | 21:51 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. And he was born in 1858, you said? | 21:54 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He was born in 1858. | 21:55 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 21:55 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:21:59] | 21:55 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, do you remember the year he passed away? | 22:00 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | 1926. | 22:05 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 22:06 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I remember that. | 22:07 |
| Kara Miles | And do you remember where he was born? | 22:07 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Remember why he was born? | 22:08 |
| Kara Miles | Where? Mm-hmm. What city? | 22:08 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He was born in what is now Hollister, North Carolina, right up on Bakersfield. | 22:08 |
| Kara Miles | [indistinct 00:22:09], okay. | 22:08 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Of course, at that time, they used to have three names there, [indistinct 00:22:24], Montgomery, Fostberry, and Hollister. Is that right babe? | 22:09 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | That's right. | 22:22 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | You don't know, but that's correct. | 22:22 |
| Kara Miles | Is that in Edgecombe or Halifax County? | 22:33 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's, actually [indistinct 00:22:35] in Halifax County. | 22:34 |
| Kara Miles | Halifax, okay. And after for your father's occupation, he is a medicine man and a minister? Did he do anything else? | 22:37 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yes, that's correct. | 22:47 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. That's fine. Now this section asked about the names of your sisters and brothers, because you said you were the youngest of [indistinct 00:22:58]—Do you remember their names? And you can put those down. | 22:48 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah. Well, all of deceased, but you want their names? | 23:06 |
| Kara Miles | Mm-hmm. | 23:14 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's sisters and brothers. | 23:14 |
| Kara Miles | Yeah. | 23:14 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | All right. Lilian, Louise, Florida. | 23:14 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 23:14 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I don't even know her [indistinct 00:23:15] sister. | 23:14 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 23:14 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | All right, [indistinct 00:23:22] trying to get them all in order. | 23:14 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. If you remember any of their birthdays, just tell me, but if not, we'll just keep going. | 23:24 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | No, I don't remember, there's just one of them, there's two of them living. I remember [indistinct 00:23:33]. | 23:31 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. We'll then just— | 23:32 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:23:36] Louis Rich Scott. | 23:38 |
| Kara Miles | Rich, okay. | 23:40 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Nothing bothers you. Doesn't bother you? | 23:46 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Ulysses Sandy Scott. | 23:48 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Doesn't bother me either. | 23:48 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 23:49 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Claire Victoria. | 23:49 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 23:49 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And she was Scott, but she died Warri, that [indistinct 00:24:05]. | 24:02 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 24:04 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | I was Elaine, but I'm a Scott. | 24:09 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | OJ. Scott. Oliver J. Scott. Oliver Jackson Scott, [indistinct 00:24:13]. | 24:11 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 24:13 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He was a minister. | 24:13 |
| Kara Miles | He was a minister? | 24:18 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Uh-huh, [indistinct 00:24:19]. | 24:18 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 24:18 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | All right. Now didn't put ID. Ira Davis Scott, he was a minister. | 24:19 |
| Kara Miles | What was the first name? | 24:30 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I-R-A. | 24:30 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 24:30 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Ira Davis Scott. | 24:30 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 24:30 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Chestel Wayne Dear Scott. | 24:30 |
| Kara Miles | Jesse? Okay. | 24:30 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | C-H-E-S-T-E-L. | 24:30 |
| Kara Miles | Oh, Chestel. | 24:30 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:24:45] | 24:30 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | A lot of Scotts, ain't it? | 24:30 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He's alive. | 24:30 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 24:30 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Now he's a [indistinct 00:24:50]. | 24:30 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 24:30 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Now that's all, except me, [indistinct 00:24:58]. | 24:30 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. How many years older is Chestel than you are? | 25:01 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | 90. | 25:02 |
| Kara Miles | He's 90, okay. | 25:02 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Mm-hmm. | 25:02 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Where does he live? | 25:02 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:25:03], you remember? He don't never went to [indistinct 00:25:03]. He lived in [indistinct 00:25:03], he was here about two weeks ago. | 25:02 |
| Kara Miles | Oh. Was all your brothers and sisters born in Halifax County? | 25:02 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yes. They all born, so far as I can [indistinct 00:25:24] born Halifax country. | 25:17 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. And you were their 8th? | 25:27 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yes ma'am. | 25:28 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. Now this section asks about the names of your children. | 25:32 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | The names of my children. | 25:36 |
| Kara Miles | Mm-hmm. | 25:36 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | God. All them children, great, [indistinct 00:25:39]. | 25:38 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Oh, [indistinct 00:25:42], I got to [indistinct 00:25:44]. | 25:41 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Well, I will. | 25:46 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | All right. | 25:46 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Go on. | 25:51 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:25:51] | 25:51 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | [indistinct 00:25:51] I get ready to write these names down for something before I get tired, [indistinct 00:25:54], I kept having all them girls. | 25:51 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Yeah, well we know that Scott—Both names. | 25:56 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Having all them girls and one boy, don't tell me it didn't make me tired. But I love them just the same. | 25:59 |
| Kara Miles | Lilly and Louise Scott also? | 26:04 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Lilly and Louise Scott. | 26:06 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | That's my name is Louise E Scott. I was Elaine. My home was in [indistinct 00:26:13]. | 26:06 |
| Kara Miles | Do you remember her birthdate or anything? | 26:12 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | He's in March. | 26:17 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:26:20] | 26:17 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | I get sick of birthdays. I don't even get up and [indistinct 00:26:26] my birthday— | 26:22 |
| Kara Miles | Give me two [indistinct 00:26:28]. | 26:27 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | —[indistinct 00:26:30] in my bedroom, I get sick of getting anything I got to do. So no, I ain't going there [indistinct 00:26:36] nothing. I'm getting older now. I ain't going walk myself to death, but they don't know holding my name now. They won't know. | 26:29 |
| Sonya Ramsey | We need you to sign this, everyone who talks on the tape has to sign a form saying that they give us permission to have the tape, that we talked to them? | 26:45 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | I didn't talk on the tape. | 26:54 |
| Sonya Ramsey | You did talk on the tape. | 26:54 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Oh, the same thing. | 26:54 |
| Kara Miles | Just saying, yes sir, and things like [indistinct 00:26:59]. | 26:54 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | January, 14th. | 26:54 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 26:54 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:27:06] and I'm pretty sure about the year. | 27:09 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | The whole name i just | 27:11 |
| Kara Miles | Eddie Francis. That's fine. Whatever. | 27:12 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | What is that [indistinct 00:27:36]? | 27:35 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's right, 1930. | 27:35 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 27:35 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Now you want them receipts too? | 27:44 |
| Kara Miles | Yeah. Just sign that again. | 27:46 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Willia B. Scott Roberts. | 27:48 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. W-I- | 27:50 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | L-L-I-A | 27:50 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 27:53 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | B Scott Robert, R-O-B-E-R-T. | 27:55 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. July 6th, 1931. | 27:55 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | And sign the exclusive rights over to you? | 28:02 |
| Kara Miles | And she's no longer living? | 28:04 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Well, not exclusive, but rights. | 28:04 |
| Kara Miles | You said she's no longer living? | 28:05 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah. She's [indistinct 00:28:08]. She's [indistinct 00:28:08]. | 28:05 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | What is today's date? | 28:05 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | 28th. | 28:05 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, what year did she pass away? | 28:10 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | 6th. | 28:10 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Okay, thank you. | 28:10 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I didn't recall that because I didn't know at the time. | 28:10 |
| Kara Miles | Oh, that's fine. | 28:10 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Somewhere around 50, and 60, [indistinct 00:28:30]. | 28:10 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, and the next one. | 28:10 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | All that, Alfred and Marie Scott, Williams. | 28:35 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. And that's A-L- | 28:36 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | A-L-F-R-E-D | 28:36 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, Marie you said? | 28:36 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yes, ma'am, M-A-R-I-E. | 28:36 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 28:36 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Scott William. | 28:38 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 28:39 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | May 16th, 1932. | 28:39 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | It's the [indistinct 00:28:47]. | 28:39 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 28:46 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Doretha. | 28:50 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 28:55 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Well, they know them girls, yes. | 29:02 |
| Kara Miles | D-O-R-E. | 29:05 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | D-O-R-E-T-H-A. | 29:05 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 29:05 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Doretha. | 29:05 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 29:05 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Scott. | 29:05 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 29:05 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Batchelor. | 29:05 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. How do you spell her last name? | 29:05 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Doretha? | 29:05 |
| Kara Miles | Mm-hmm. | 29:05 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | You want D-O-R-E-T-H-A? | 29:06 |
| Kara Miles | Oh, she's just Doretha Scott? | 29:09 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, she's Doretha Scott Batchelor. | 29:13 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. How do you spell Batchelor? | 29:16 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | It is B-A-T-C-H— | 29:16 |
| Kara Miles | Oh. | 29:16 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | She [indistinct 00:29:17] about you Jackson. | 29:16 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 29:17 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | October, the 8th. | 29:17 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | I had [indistinct 00:29:18]. | 29:17 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 29:17 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | 1954. | 29:28 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 29:32 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Had a bunch of girls. | 29:40 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. That's all. | 29:42 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | They're still living. | 29:43 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Evonne Scott Mill. She's deceased. | 29:45 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 29:48 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Born November, the 9th, 1937. | 29:48 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | If you asked me [indistinct 00:29:56], I probably was way, going to head down here. | 29:56 |
| Kara Miles | 1937, you said? | 29:57 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah. | 29:57 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 29:57 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | 30 years, [indistinct 00:30:02] here. | 29:57 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Jasper [indistinct 00:30:02] Scott. | 30:03 |
| Kara Miles | Jasper. Okay. | 30:04 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | He's a twin. He [indistinct 00:30:05], both the same age. | 30:04 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 30:04 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Betty Beatrice Scott. | 30:04 |
| Kara Miles | Betty, you said. | 30:20 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Beatrice Scott. She's on there. | 30:22 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. How do you spell her middle name? | 30:24 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:30:28]. | 30:24 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. That's different. | 30:24 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | [indistinct 00:30:37] | 30:24 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. And her birthday? | 30:37 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | February 23rd, 1939. | 30:43 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. 1939? | 30:43 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | 1939. | 30:43 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | He said [indistinct 00:30:49]. | 30:43 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 30:49 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Alma A. Scott Johnson. | 30:52 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | That's my baby. | 30:54 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 30:55 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | July, 15th, 1942. | 30:55 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | That's my baby girl [indistinct 00:31:06]. | 30:59 |
| Kara Miles | How sad, I just want to— | 31:07 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's all. | 31:08 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | You can give it to me. | 31:08 |
| Kara Miles | I just want to ask you when Dorethea Scott Batchelor was born, you said 1954, or 1934? | 31:08 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | She's a girl and she looks so much like her daddy, and [indistinct 00:31:19]. | 31:15 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | 1934. | 31:19 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, I have [indistinct 00:31:22]. | 31:21 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | She's sweet. | 31:21 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. Were they all born in Halifax County? | 31:22 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, all born in [indistinct 00:31:26]. | 31:25 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 31:25 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | [indistinct 00:31:26] it wasn't some [indistinct 00:31:31]. | 31:25 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, and do you have any grandchildren? | 31:32 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yeah, but I don't know the name, or middle [indistinct 00:31:37]. | 31:35 |
| Kara Miles | Oh, that's all right, [indistinct 00:31:38] because you know [indistinct 00:31:40]. | 31:36 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | [indistinct 00:31:40]. | 31:36 |
| Kara Miles | Wait, do you have know how many you have? | 31:41 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | The last time I counted was about 34, but it [indistinct 00:31:46] and stuff. | 31:42 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | Well, I don't know. Don't ask me because I don't know. | 31:47 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I know you don't know. | 31:49 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 31:54 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That what I tell people, [indistinct 00:31:56] I don't know [indistinct 00:31:58]. | 31:54 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. You've lived all your life in Halifax County? | 32:03 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Huh? | 32:10 |
| Kara Miles | You lived all your life in Halifax County? | 32:10 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Yes, I have. | 32:10 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | No. | 32:10 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 32:10 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I've been [indistinct 00:32:11]. | 32:10 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 32:10 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | You know you ain't live all life here, I know that. | 32:10 |
| Kara Miles | And did you get to go to school formally or did you go to any schools you like to put on the form? | 32:14 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | No, except my elementary education. I finished that, and the rest of it, I got it though they weren't organized, such a nice [indistinct 00:32:34]. | 32:18 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, that should [indistinct 00:32:34]. | 32:34 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | You've got to take your several correspondence fees, the correspondence courses. | 32:34 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 32:34 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I couldn't credit any of them as as being real. | 32:34 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, this next one, this is your job. So I'm going go through and write all the ones I know, and you can tell me if there's more, barber— | 32:43 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I have [indistinct 00:32:50] your job. | 32:50 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, barber, musician. Okay, shoes repairman, gun Smith. | 32:52 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | And I've been self-employed all my life. | 32:57 |
| Kara Miles | Yeah, gun Smith. | 32:57 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I worked as a cook, musician, [indistinct 00:33:10] club operator, shoe shop, barber, the gunsmith. | 33:25 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. I think I have all of those. And have you ever received any awards, or honors, or any offices that you like to include on the forum? | 33:27 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, most of my awards have been by word of mouth. | 33:41 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. What is your current religious denomination? | 33:47 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Huh? | 33:48 |
| Kara Miles | What is your current religious denomination? | 33:49 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | My current religious denomination? | 33:50 |
| Kara Miles | Mm-hmm. | 33:53 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Missionary Baptist. | 33:53 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 33:54 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | You all bet, I worked in Austin for about four or five different churches. | 33:55 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. And what church do you attend now? | 34:00 |
| Louise Elibeth Scott | [indistinct 00:34:02] time that thing. | 34:02 |
| Kara Miles | If you go. | 34:03 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, I'd say First Baptist Church. | 34:19 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 34:19 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | I attended [indistinct 00:34:20] with my wife [indistinct 00:34:20]. | 34:19 |
| Kara Miles | Sure. Okay. Do you belong to any organizations that you'd like to include? Any clubs? | 34:19 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Now, well, I don't. | 34:24 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, well, that's fine. Okay, and well, do you have a hobby that you like to do, that you like to include? | 34:36 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | A hobby? | 34:40 |
| Kara Miles | Mm-hmm. | 34:41 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | That's something on the side. | 34:42 |
| Kara Miles | Mm-hmm. | 34:42 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Really God. | 34:42 |
| Sonya Ramsey | Praise to God. | 34:42 |
| Kara Miles | Okay, and last question, do you have a favorite saying, or phrase, or quote that you'd like to include? That you like to go by? | 34:51 |
| Jasper Raus Scott | Well, "I am living by heaven [indistinct 00:35:04]." | 34:57 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. Oops. I'll pick that up for you. | 35:04 |
| Eddie Francis Jr. | Sorry. | 35:06 |
| Kara Miles | Okay. | 35:06 |
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