Eva Chaplin interview recording, 1994 August 05
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| Eva Chaplin | My name is Eva Chaplin. I was born on St. Helena Island, 1930. As I can recall, in the late thirties, my grandparent were homemakers that grew their own food that were needed in the homes. They grew rice, grits. Grits was made from corn and they also made their own corn meal. There were grits mill around in the area located mainly what is now known as the Martin Luther King Park. | 0:03 |
| Sally Graham | Okay. Is that where the community would come with their corn-made grits? | 1:15 |
| Eva Chaplin | Yes. The community would go to this mill to have their corn made into grits. They were also able to get corn meal from the corn. | 1:25 |
| Sally Graham | Okay. | 1:47 |
| Eva Chaplin | There was also a rice mill on the Penn campus that now is the building across from the Coop building. I attend Penn School, graduated in 1949. I choose to become a homemaker. To us were born five children. | 1:47 |
| Sally Graham | What was your husband's name? | 2:35 |
| Eva Chaplin | My husband's name is Warren Chaplin. Warren | 2:36 |
| Sally Graham | Warren Chaplin. | 2:39 |
| Eva Chaplin | Yes. | 2:40 |
| Sally Graham | And was he a Penn student also? | 2:42 |
| Eva Chaplin | Yes. He was a Penn student also. All five children chose to graduate from high school and they all are college graduates. | 2:45 |
| Sally Graham | And what are your children's names from oldest— | 3:10 |
| Eva Chaplin | My children name is Warren Chaplin, Jr., Algric Chaplin. | 3:12 |
| Sally Graham | Algric? | 3:27 |
| Eva Chaplin | A-L-G-R-I-C. That's Algric Chaplin. Donna Chaplin Black, Flossy Chaplin Brown and Emery Chaplin. | 3:27 |
| Sally Graham | And do they stay here or do they move away? | 3:56 |
| Eva Chaplin | They all choose to move away. And they are all leading a normal life, with the exception of my oldest son passed about four months ago. | 3:59 |
| Sally Graham | And what years were they born? | 4:18 |
| Eva Chaplin | Were they born? Warren was born in 1951. Algric was born in 1953. Donna was born in 1954. Flossy was born in 1957. Supposed to be. | 4:20 |
| Sally Graham | Emery? | 4:59 |
| Eva Chaplin | Yeah, but I skipped one, didn't I? | 5:01 |
| Sally Graham | It's got Warren, Algric, Donna, Flossy and then Emery. | 5:04 |
| Eva Chaplin | Okay. Emery was born in 61. | 5:09 |
| Sally Graham | Okay. | 5:11 |
| Eva Chaplin | 1961. Well, one of the things that I'm very proud of, and I think it's very interesting to say that Algric is a producer, director. He's now producing in Hollywood, California. | 5:12 |
| Sally Graham | What are the kinds of things he's been, what kind of project? | 5:42 |
| Eva Chaplin | He worked on, I got, just a minute, if you don't mind. I can give you some of the movies that he made to produce. | 5:46 |
| Sally Graham | I'll just take the little mic off of you. You can get up and— | 5:59 |
| Eva Chaplin | All right. Produced A Few Good Men, Black Rain, starring Mike Douglas, Black Rain and Distinguished Gentlemen starring Eddie Murphy and Higher Learning, which it's not out yet at this time. Higher Learning. That's the last one he did. He's working on one now, but I didn't get the name of that. | 6:02 |
| Sally Graham | Wow. That's impressive. | 6:51 |
| Eva Chaplin | I've been very proud of him and he seems to enjoying it. | 6:55 |
| Sally Graham | Where did they all go to school, did they go? | 7:03 |
| Eva Chaplin | Well, Algric graduated from the University of South Carolina in Columbia. Warren went to the, what's that name, Midland Technical in Columbia. Columbia, South Carolina. Donna went to St. Augustine, Raleigh, North Carolina. And Flossy went to St. Augustine, in Raleigh, North Carolina. And Emery went to Boston, Berkeley Music College. | 7:06 |
| Sally Graham | Boston— | 7:51 |
| Eva Chaplin | Boston, Berkeley Music College. So what else do I— | 7:51 |
| Sally Graham | You had some stories about your grandparents and what you remember about them. | 8:10 |
| Eva Chaplin | My grandparents, at that time, did most of our work by hand. We would wash in the wash tub, we would boil our clothes, make sure they were floating white. The house would always have to be sparkling clean. We'd always make sure that the floors were scrubbed. And my grandfather was a carpenter, and he would do most of the house repairs in the community. | 8:20 |
| Sally Graham | What's his name? | 9:27 |
| Eva Chaplin | Richard Middleton. | 9:28 |
| Sally Graham | Oh. | 9:34 |
| Eva Chaplin | A lot of time when I was a little girl, I would go around with him a lot, mainly on the weekends when there weren't school. During that time they went around in horse and buggy. That was the means of transportation. Didn't have a lot of cars, trucks and whatnot like we have today. We were always in church. | 9:34 |
| Sally Graham | What church was your family church? | 10:18 |
| Eva Chaplin | Orange Grove Baptist Church. | 10:20 |
| Sally Graham | And was that the church that your family went to in that area? | 10:28 |
| Eva Chaplin | My family during that time when I was being brought up, that was before I was married, around in the late thirties and the early forties. | 10:34 |
| Sally Graham | What do you remember about joining the church? | 10:50 |
| Eva Chaplin | Well, in the church, the children would always play an important role. They would sing in the choirs. They would have to be taking part in the Sunday school discussions. And some of the children was made to be ushers. And I can remember being an usher. | 10:53 |
| Sally Graham | And how old were you when you were an usher? | 11:22 |
| Eva Chaplin | I was about 13. About 13. | 11:26 |
| Sally Graham | And when did you join the church? Did you join? | 11:31 |
| Eva Chaplin | I joined around nine years old. | 11:37 |
| Sally Graham | What were the things someone had to do to join the church? | 11:42 |
| Eva Chaplin | Well, you would have to be taught different religious function and Bible. You have to be taught from the Bible about Christ and how your life should be as you went along, and what Christ would expect of us, being kind and respectful and things like that. So it's still in us and our parents, my grandparent would always strict to make sure that we would follow those things, would follow those rules and try to keep them in action. | 11:47 |
| Sally Graham | Where were you baptized? | 12:56 |
| Eva Chaplin | Well, during that time, we were baptized in the rivers. And there was this big river right on the side of Orange Grove Baptist Church. We were baptized there, but it was a large number of us were baptized during the time that I was baptized. | 12:58 |
| Sally Graham | Would they wait for a big baptism during the year? | 13:21 |
| Eva Chaplin | No. Well, a lot of time. There were quite a few get ready at the same time, maybe about 15 or 16. And they would just baptize them. | 13:25 |
| Sally Graham | Would they wear white? | 13:42 |
| Eva Chaplin | Yes, they would have candidates, they called us candidates and we were baptized in white robes. | 13:43 |
| Sally Graham | Who made the robes? | 13:51 |
| Eva Chaplin | Well, there were people in the community that would make the robe. They weren't anything extra. They were just simple robe. That was just like the long dresses that are being worn today. Only thing, they were made out of white material. | 13:55 |
| Sally Graham | And what were your parents' names? | 14:13 |
| Eva Chaplin | My parents was Richard and Nancy Middleton. | 14:17 |
| Sally Graham | So your father's father was also Richard Middleton? | 14:33 |
| Eva Chaplin | No. Well, I was born out of wedlock, so my grandparent were my parents. Those were my— | 14:38 |
| Sally Graham | I see. Okay. So your grandparents brought you up? | 14:48 |
| Eva Chaplin | Yeah. | 14:51 |
| Sally Graham | Oh, okay. Okay. And were they born about? | 14:52 |
| Eva Chaplin | Oh Lord, I don't remember. I never can't ever, I never can remember them. | 15:02 |
| Sally Graham | Was your mother also in the household? | 15:10 |
| Eva Chaplin | Yes. | 15:13 |
| Sally Graham | And your grandmother? | 15:15 |
| Eva Chaplin | Yes, and my grandfather. And then there were a couple other grandchildren. That was just three of us. | 15:16 |
| Sally Graham | So there were three children in the grandparents household? | 15:24 |
| Eva Chaplin | Three children in the home, yes. In the household with my grandfather, grandmother and my mother were there. She got married. I was, oh, I was pretty, age about, by the time she got married, I was around seventh or eighth grade. | 15:27 |
| Sally Graham | What was your mother's name? | 15:42 |
| Eva Chaplin | Rosa. Rosa. Rosa Middleton. And she got married. She was Rosa Middleton Smith. | 15:43 |
| Sally Graham | And after you left, graduated from Penn, is that when you got married? | 15:54 |
| Eva Chaplin | Yes. | 16:02 |
| Sally Graham | What was courtship like? | 16:04 |
| Eva Chaplin | Well, courtship would, well, some of my classmate went away to further their education, but I was not fortunate to go away. So I met my husband, and he was a gentleman, a nice young man. He went to Penn School and he was very understanding and that I decide to marry. So I got married and I've been living here ever since. | 16:10 |
| Sally Graham | Wow. How long have you been married? | 16:40 |
| Eva Chaplin | I married in 49. That's the year I graduated from high school. Got married October of 49. | 16:40 |
| Sally Graham | What kind of wedding did you have? | 16:46 |
| Eva Chaplin | During that time there weren't too many house wedding and most of the wedding were performed in the home. So I had a wedding that was performed in the home where I wear a long gown and my husband wore a suit, and we had like, what do you call, bridesmaids, bridesmaids and best man. He didn't have the other parties because they didn't have too much of that then. | 16:50 |
| Sally Graham | Oh, how many bridesmaids did you have? | 17:18 |
| Eva Chaplin | I had only one. | 17:19 |
| Sally Graham | One. | 17:20 |
| Eva Chaplin | And he had a best man. And there were quite a few people. And then you had a reception right after the wedding in the home. | 17:21 |
| Sally Graham | What kinds of things did they serve at the reception? | 17:31 |
| Eva Chaplin | Oh, I forget now. I do know they were cake because that was one of the main thing, but I just can't remember too much really? What they had. Wine, I know they had wine. | 17:36 |
| Sally Graham | Wine? | 17:45 |
| Eva Chaplin | Yes. | 17:46 |
| Sally Graham | What kind of gifts did people get back then? | 17:48 |
| Eva Chaplin | Oh, people would bring, main thing, they would bring sheets and sets and pillowcases and towels. Oh, what else did they bring? They would bring some sort of, they would bring pots and things like that, that thought you could use to help. (phone rings). Voting. During the year, Martin Luther King came to the area and it was one of his main project to get the Black people to register to vote. | 17:51 |
| Sally Graham | What do you remember about that when he was here, do you remember? | 18:41 |
| Eva Chaplin | I don't remember too much about that. No, I don't. Have you heard of Virginia Green? | 18:50 |
| Sally Graham | Virginia Green? | 18:51 |
| Eva Chaplin | [indistinct 00:18:53] told you about her? | 18:53 |
| Sally Graham | No, I sure haven't. Virginia Green. | 18:54 |
| Eva Chaplin | She's a much older person than me. She was one that worked with that movement to integrate the restaurant and stuff. | 18:56 |
| Sally Graham | Okay. | 19:07 |
| Eva Chaplin | Were you weren't at the little dinner party we had for the, you weren't there Tuesday before last, at the Penn where we had the— | 19:08 |
| Sally Graham | Who was it for? | 19:20 |
| Eva Chaplin | For the young lady that came from Sierra Leon. Did you hear about her? | 19:25 |
| Sally Graham | Oh yeah, I heard about her. Some of the work in the museum was hers. Right? Some of the quilting. | 19:28 |
| Eva Chaplin | And then we had a little get together for her. Virginia was there. And also Ursula. That's Ursula Holmes you're talking about. | 19:37 |
| Sally Graham | Right. | 19:45 |
| Eva Chaplin | Yeah. And Virginia remembers quite a bit about that. Martin Luther, I didn't take a part really. They had all of these, what you call it right now, they have them, what you call them, the demonstration or the marching? | 19:46 |
| Sally Graham | The marching, sit-ins. | 20:05 |
| Eva Chaplin | The sit-in. | 20:06 |
| Sally Graham | The riders. | 20:07 |
| Eva Chaplin | And the sit-in and boycotts. They had a good bit of that. And I forget what year that was. | 20:11 |
| Sally Graham | Were they boycotting thing stores in Buford? | 20:19 |
| Eva Chaplin | No. I don't remember whether they did any in Buford or not, but I think they did. But I know they did some in Savannah. | 20:23 |
| Sally Graham | Were those, like Ms. Green, was she active in Savannah? | 20:32 |
| Eva Chaplin | Yeah, I think she went with the move to Savannah. I think she did. | 20:37 |
| Sally Graham | How many people in the St. Helena Island area participated, would you say? | 20:43 |
| Eva Chaplin | I just don't know. I can't recall. I don't want to give the wrong number. I don't know, because I knew it was going on, but I didn't take a part. I'm type of person that I don't like to be involved in things like that because of my religious belief. I just don't like to bother with it. But then there's some that went on through and it was very successful. I think it was a good call, that there were some stores, restaurant and stuff, you weren't allowed to go in and sit. | 20:55 |
| Sally Graham | And where was that? Did that happen to you personally? | 21:34 |
| Eva Chaplin | No. No, no, no. I didn't bother around too much with it. It didn't matter with me because I didn't have to go. I didn't have to go in. If I knew it was something wasn't right in a place, I just didn't bother to push my weight into it. I just didn't have to be there. So it never happened to me. | 21:37 |
| Sally Graham | What was your conviction to know that wasn't for you? | 21:56 |
| Eva Chaplin | Well, I just have been a person that was always peaceful and I just figured it anything could have happened, riot or anything could be brought about. And I didn't want to be involved in rioting and whatnot. | 22:03 |
| Sally Graham | Wow. | 22:24 |
| Eva Chaplin | I guess you probably read about a lot of big states and cities where they would riot and smash things and stuff like that. And then just from hearing those things and seeing those things on the news and I was saying, well, I didn't think it was worth it. And I guess maybe I was one of the frightful type. | 22:24 |
| Sally Graham | Was that in the sixties or the fifties? | 22:45 |
| Eva Chaplin | Yes. That was sort of like in the sixties. Yeah. | 22:49 |
| Sally Graham | What were things like around here in the fifties before the sit-ins and before the boycotts, and before you heard about Martin Luther King, what was life like for Blacks? | 22:54 |
| Eva Chaplin | Well, everybody were peaceful and they would work together and look out for each other's. They really didn't involve, weren't that sociable with the White folks. They were more among them. Black people work together among themselves. They would farm and they would share with each others what they would make. They would raise their own hogs and have their own hams. Well, whatever you get from the hog, they would produce it on their farm. And then they would share with as many as they could. | 23:10 |
| Eva Chaplin | They had— I remember I was a little girl and my grandparent, when they would prepare these hogs, they would have me going over to a few of the neighbors, taking them some of what we had and things like that. Would plant peas and they would share peas with the other neighbors. They didn't have any, you'd just share what you had with them. So they worked together pretty close, doing things like that. | 24:04 |
| Sally Graham | Where did people sell their crops? What was the cash crop? | 24:32 |
| Eva Chaplin | Let's see, now, they would grow cotton to sell. And I don't remember exactly too much where they used to take those cotton. My husband probably would remember that. But I tell you, I forget so many things. But they would grow tomato, so they would make money. That was one of the main crops. Tomato. And there were places around here, sort of like the packing houses. We have one, the Sanders packing house that I could remember since that time. They would take it right there. And that's right there across from where [indistinct 00:25:23] Sumter— | 24:39 |
| Sally Graham | The county? | 25:26 |
| Eva Chaplin | It's still there, a packing house. You call it the packing house. And that is still there, but they remodeled it. But it was there for some years. | 25:26 |
| Sally Graham | I see. And that was like the cotton packing? | 25:34 |
| Eva Chaplin | No, no. That was for the tomato. | 25:37 |
| Sally Graham | Tomato. | 25:38 |
| Eva Chaplin | Tomato. | 25:38 |
| Sally Graham | Tomato. | 25:39 |
| Eva Chaplin | But I don't remember too much where they used to send the cotton. | 25:42 |
| Sally Graham | Okay. Did your family own land or were they renting? | 25:45 |
| Eva Chaplin | Yes, we owned our own land. We always did own our own land. We had acreages. | 25:53 |
| Sally Graham | How many acres do you think your family? | 26:00 |
| Eva Chaplin | Well, we had about 10 acres, but we didn't farm, I think we farmed about five acres. | 26:04 |
| Sally Graham | And is any land still in the family? | 26:12 |
| Eva Chaplin | None of that. No. Uh-huh. That's not in the family anymore. It was sold. | 26:15 |
| Sally Graham | When you were coming up, was it the Oak Grove area? Was that the area of the island where you lived? | 26:24 |
| Eva Chaplin | I lived in the Orange Grove. | 26:28 |
| Sally Graham | Orange Grove. | 26:32 |
| Eva Chaplin | Orange Grove. Orange Grove. | 26:33 |
| Sally Graham | And where was your husband from? | 26:34 |
| Eva Chaplin | My husband was from here, Tombee, | 26:36 |
| Sally Graham | The Tombee. | 26:36 |
| Eva Chaplin | Tombee area. | 26:36 |
| Sally Graham | And how long has his family been here? | 26:42 |
| Eva Chaplin | His family, a matter of fact, his father just died about two years ago. He lived to be 97 years old, and he was here all those years. And his mother lived to be 93. She died one year ago. | 26:45 |
| Sally Graham | Wow. | 26:58 |
| Eva Chaplin | Sunday. That's one year since she died. | 26:58 |
| Sally Graham | That's a long time. | 27:01 |
| Eva Chaplin | That certainly is. And the part about it, they live healthy up to their death. | 27:03 |
| Sally Graham | Still lucid and— | 27:12 |
| Eva Chaplin | Still know and could remember. And his father, Penn, would bring children there to him. | 27:14 |
| Sally Graham | Wow. | 27:23 |
| Eva Chaplin | For him to tell them little stories and little along different things. Give them historical. | 27:24 |
| Sally Graham | What was his father's | 27:31 |
| Eva Chaplin | Name? His father's name was Fred Chaplin, Senior. | 27:32 |
| Sally Graham | And his mother? | 27:34 |
| Eva Chaplin | His mother was Mary Chaplin. | 27:38 |
| Sally Graham | How do you spell Chaplin? | 27:44 |
| Eva Chaplin | C-H-A-P-L-I-N. | 27:45 |
| Sally Graham | Okay. And what church was the area for the people who lived in Tombee? | 27:53 |
| Eva Chaplin | They went to Adams Street Baptist. | 27:57 |
| Sally Graham | Adams Street Baptist. And what church are you a member of now? | 28:03 |
| Eva Chaplin | Now? I'm a member of the Adams Street Baptist Church now. | 28:12 |
| Sally Graham | Did you become a member when you got married? | 28:16 |
| Eva Chaplin | Yes. | 28:19 |
| Sally Graham | What about the big holidays or when families would get together as sort of like a recreation? Were there any days? July 4th or Easter. | 28:25 |
| Eva Chaplin | On the 4th of July, we would always have a big get together, maybe in the community like that. And Christmas, well, that was a big day where family would entertain from one group to the next. | 28:41 |
| Sally Graham | Okay. What about, did people from St. Helena go to Beaufort for Decoration Day? | 29:06 |
| Eva Chaplin | Yes. They used to go to Beaufort to Decoration Day. That was my husband. That was in May. Every May they would go and there were a lot of recreation on that day out on the grounds. | 29:12 |
| Sally Graham | And did you go to Decoration Day? | 29:30 |
| Eva Chaplin | Yes, I did. | 29:33 |
| Sally Graham | What are your memories though of Decoration Day? | 29:35 |
| Eva Chaplin | Well, I could remember they used to have different rides and stuff. Like the ferris wheels, if that's the name, ferris wheels. | 29:38 |
| Sally Graham | Okay. | 30:03 |
| Eva Chaplin | There were other things too, but I just can't remember. I just wish my husband would come because I know he can remember some of those things he remembers. Well, I'm sure he remember what else we would have on the Decoration ground and all that, he would remember. But his working, he's retired and he has this little job that he's been working at this florist, florist shop. He deliver flowers, that's what he does. | 30:04 |
| Sally Graham | Oh, okay. Okay. And before that, he's retired from what? What was he doing? | 30:35 |
| Eva Chaplin | Civil service. He worked for 37 years. Civil service. Air Station. Civil Service. Air Station. | 30:37 |
| Sally Graham | Was that Parris Island? | 30:47 |
| Eva Chaplin | No, that's in, the air station is in, no, that's in Berkeley. Air Station. Marine Corps Air Station. That's what it is. Have you heard about the Marine Corps? | 30:48 |
| Sally Graham | Marine Corps. | 30:58 |
| Eva Chaplin | The Marine Corps air station. | 31:00 |
| Sally Graham | Where is that? | 31:03 |
| Eva Chaplin | That is just before you get to Beaufort after you come from Charleston direction. | 31:04 |
| Sally Graham | Oh, okay. | 31:09 |
| Eva Chaplin | All those airplanes and stuff are out there on near the highway. You can see some of them. You remember mostly now, can you remember? | 31:10 |
| Sally Graham | I think so. That's north of Beaufort, is that? | 31:17 |
| Eva Chaplin | Yeah. And you get to, as you're coming to Beaufort, you get to just before you get to Beaufort. | 31:21 |
| Sally Graham | Okay. Yeah. And what was he doing there? | 31:29 |
| Eva Chaplin | He was a bus driver, drove the school bus. Transportation. | 31:34 |
| Sally Graham | Okay. What do you remember about leaving the island for the first time? | 31:40 |
| Eva Chaplin | Oh, me? Well, I was not very fortunate to go away. During those time, children, my friends, and those would go away after school and all that. But I have been fortunate because I was, like I told you, I was just a homely child. And it just seems to me I didn't feel safe leaving to travel. Today, I'm not too good at traveling, except when I'm just driving in the car. I feel more content. And then again, my grandparent, they were not older than my friends had. They were with their mother and father, my grandparent, they didn't have a lot. And what they had, most of the time we use it to keep the home going. | 31:47 |
| Sally Graham | I see. | 32:47 |
| Eva Chaplin | So we didn't have a lot to invest in taking trips away and stuff like that. | 32:48 |
| Sally Graham | What do you remember about funerals when you were coming up? How has the funeral service changed or—? | 32:58 |
| Eva Chaplin | See now. It seems to me that the funerals were sadder during that time. It seems like if you lost a member, it was just, if that, you weren't going to be able to make it any anymore, you probably wouldn't be able to go on because you just seemed like you were just that close and you didn't understand. You couldn't understand that life was supposed to be that way, that somebody would have to separate from the other one. But today, you can realize more that is something that you know you're going to have to look forward too. And when one of your loved one would pass, it was just sad in that family. And they would have prayer meeting before burial. | 33:11 |
| Eva Chaplin | Oh, that's one of the things. Well, they hadn't been doing that. They had stopped that. And then now, I noticed they're kind of picking up that again. But they would have the prayer meeting at the houses instead of in the churches and the undertaker party. They would have it at the homes before the funeral. The funeral's going be tomorrow, then the night before, they would have a prayer service at the homes where quite a few people would get together and then they would sing and have prayers. | 34:22 |
| Sally Graham | Would the body, the casket, be in the home? | 35:02 |
| Eva Chaplin | Yes. The body, the casket would be in the home. | 35:07 |
| Sally Graham | Okay. So would they wait up all night? | 35:11 |
| Eva Chaplin | All night, yes. The family wait up all night and they'd be singing and clapping, shouting and as if they have a celebration that night. And I remember too, where funerals would be at the home. They'd mostly have that on the outside, but the funerals would be at the home and then the body would leave from the home and taken to the cemetery for burial. | 35:17 |
| Sally Graham | Where do people bury their family members back then? | 35:45 |
| Eva Chaplin | They had cemeteries or I remember most of the cemeteries they had, they have cemeteries now. The cemetery seem as if they continue to go on. See, those older people buried in the same cemetery, most that the people are being buried in today, except I don't remember, they had the National Cemetery. That's something that's new. | 35:48 |
| Sally Graham | Was it like a church service? | 36:26 |
| Eva Chaplin | The funeral was consist of a church service, yeah. They would have it at the home and the pastor would be there and they would have singing. That's like they do in the church now. But they would have a group of people would do the singing. | 36:28 |
| Sally Graham | Would people bring food? | 36:45 |
| Eva Chaplin | Lord, I guess, I think they did. I can't remember that part now. But I think they did. Yeah, I think did. I don't think they bring as much like they bring now, but they have definite things they would serve. | 36:50 |
| Sally Graham | Okay. I think this just about does it. Do you have anything that you would like to add? | 37:10 |
| Eva Chaplin | No, I sure don't. I really hope they come out good because I like to be right. I really like for somebody to get something out of it. And I know you know how to fix it up. | 37:23 |
| Sally Graham | Well, how do you feel about going to Penn, being able to— | 37:38 |
| Eva Chaplin | Oh, that was the best part of my life. Because with me going to Penn, it was a bright time for me. There was a lot I learned. I learned how to be dependent. I learned to do a lot. | 37:43 |
| Sally Graham | What did you go to Penn from first to when you graduated or was there another school? | 38:11 |
| Eva Chaplin | I didn't go. They had schools on the plantation. Those were schools you didn't have to pay. And like I say, a lot of children went there because they weren't able to afford to send their children. I was one of those. The school that I went to was, I would say about a mile and a half, about two miles away from where I lived. I walked every morning and every evening. | 38:16 |
| Sally Graham | What was the name of it? | 38:49 |
| Eva Chaplin | That was South Pine. South Pine. | 38:50 |
| Sally Graham | South Pine. | 38:53 |
| Eva Chaplin | South Pine School. I walked every morning and every evening for school. | 38:55 |
| Sally Graham | And what grades did you go? | 39:01 |
| Eva Chaplin | I went as far as the sixth grade. Along with that, I went to Penn during the summer because those plantation school would close earlier than the Penn School. The Penn School went for a longer term. So I would go there during the summer. After the South Pine was closed, I would catch the bus like the other students. Went to Penn School. So I started to Penn School, summer school in the second grades. And I went every summer through the sixth grade. And after the sixth grade, I started — I went there every summer through the fifth grade. And the sixth grade, I became a regular student at Penn. | 39:04 |
| Sally Graham | And you went from the sixth until to what grade? | 40:07 |
| Eva Chaplin | To the 12th. | 40:10 |
| Sally Graham | 12th grade. And how did your parents pay for Penn during that time? What were the— | 40:11 |
| Eva Chaplin | Well, the fee wasn't a lot because I was a day student. I went every day on the bus. | 40:25 |
| Sally Graham | There was a bus? | 40:35 |
| Eva Chaplin | It was a bus, yeah. We used to ride a bus to Penn School. | 40:37 |
| Sally Graham | Wow. | 40:40 |
| Eva Chaplin | There was a bus. | 40:41 |
| Sally Graham | And you graduated in 1940— | 40:44 |
| Eva Chaplin | 1949. | 40:46 |
| Sally Graham | What were your favorite subjects at Penn? | 40:55 |
| Eva Chaplin | Oh, let's see. My favorite subjects were math and spelling. That was my easy subject too, math and spelling. | 40:59 |
| Sally Graham | Okay. | 41:18 |
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