Marva Jones interview recording, 1994 June 17

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Sally Graham	Ready to go. All right. Let's hear you sing the Oak Hill songs.	0:06
Marva Williams Jones	This is our school song.	0:32
Marva Williams Jones	(singing)	0:32
Sally Graham	Yeah. That was good. Okay.	0:51
Tunga White	That was good. Did y'all sing that at graduation?	0:52
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah.	0:54
Tunga White	Okay. All right. We got the schools and some of your jobs you've had.	0:54
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah.	1:06
Tunga White	Recently, jobs?	1:06
Marva Williams Jones	Oh. Well, like I said, I worked on BRW and the hotel.	1:09
Tunga White	What'd you do at BRW?	1:20
Marva Williams Jones	I was an inspector.	1:22
Sally Graham	What kinds of things did they inspect? Material?	1:28
Marva Williams Jones	Material. We had those, like we run for car seats.	1:30
Marva Williams Jones	And sometimes you'd get the pattern messed up. Look for pattern mistakes and things like that. I was a knitter there too. Yeah.	1:37
Tunga White	How long did you work there?	1:49
Marva Williams Jones	Almost 20 years, because I worked 15 years on night shift.	1:55
Tunga White	How did you do that for 15 years?	2:02
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. I don't know. I didn't want to change. I had the seniority to change, but I just loved night shift. Sure did.	2:03
Tunga White	Eleven to seven? And that's here in town?	2:05
Marva Williams Jones	Well, out here on 82. It closed down in '85.	2:17
Tunga White	Before, you said you were working in a hotel?	2:24
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah.	2:36
Tunga White	What hotel was that?	2:36
Marva Williams Jones	Woodard Hotel downtown. Worked at Woodard Hotel. That's all house jobs, babysitting.	2:37
Sally Graham	You first started off working as a dishwasher? That was your first job there?	2:39
Tunga White	You did that?	2:43
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. Then, I started keeping the lady that run, a sitter.	2:46
Tunga White	What's your religious denomination?	2:58
Marva Williams Jones	Baptist.	3:01
Tunga White	And what church do you belong to now?	3:02
Marva Williams Jones	Macedonia Baptist Church.	3:05
Tunga White	What other churches have you been a member of?	3:14
Marva Williams Jones	No. No. I'm not a church hopper, hop here and hop there. The only one.	3:16
Sally Graham	What was the name of the church? Did you go to that church in Funston that was next to your school?	3:23
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah, but that's where my parents went. I wasn't a member then. I was just going, because I was a little girl.	3:29
Tunga White	Uh-huh. You had to go along.	3:33
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. (laughs)	3:33
Tunga White	All right. Have you gotten any awards or honors or held any offices in something?	3:38
Marva Williams Jones	I wish y'all could have seen them. I packed them up. I've got so many.	3:45
Tunga White	Really?	3:49
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah, this is the last one I got. But I put them in a box. My grandson had put them all—They fit it in, all them winners. That son took it all, but this one.	3:49
Tunga White	Oh, yeah.	4:02
Marva Williams Jones	This is the last one.	4:02
Tunga White	Citizen of the Year.	4:02
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah.	4:02
Sally Graham	Where you've got all your figurines in the windows, you had all your certificates and awards?	4:09
Marva Williams Jones	Right.	4:14
Sally Graham	Okay.	4:14
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. Now I'm holding the big money, treasurer of the NAACP.	4:20
Tunga White	Oh, that's good.	4:26
Marva Williams Jones	There ain't no big money. I am the treasurer.	4:27
Sally Graham	Okay. And the Elks, what was it? You were the queen?	4:39
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah.	4:40
Sally Graham	That picture?	4:40
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah.	4:40
Sally Graham	What was that, Queen what? Queen of the Ball or something?	4:40
Tunga White	We're going to write this down, we'll be back—	4:40
Marva Williams Jones	No, I don't know what we had that for, really. But, I won the contest rather.	4:41
Tunga White	For the church? The thing you did at church, though. What was that?	5:02
Marva Williams Jones	That was women. I'm a deaconess at the church.	5:05
Tunga White	Okay.	5:08
Marva Williams Jones	And I'm treasurer of a social club that I'm in, Businesswomen's Awareness Club.	5:08
Tunga White	You got all the money. Everybody's running out.	5:23
Marva Williams Jones	'Cause we're trustworthy! (laughs)	5:25
Tunga White	Must be. Are there any other, besides those two organizations, the NAACP and the Businesswomen Awareness Club, that you remember?	5:27
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh.	5:45
Tunga White	What are they?	5:45
Marva Williams Jones	Now, let's see. That's really all other than working in the community.	5:46
Tunga White	Do you have any hobbies or interests or things like that you like to do in your spare time?	6:00
Marva Williams Jones	I like helping people.	6:08
Tunga White	That's a good one.	6:08
Marva Williams Jones	That's what I do all the time, run here, take this one to town, take this one another—	6:11
Tunga White	That's a good hobby.	6:14
Marva Williams Jones	Very active in the community.	6:14
Tunga White	Do you have a favorite saying or quote that you use a whole lot? I know you do. Just trying to get it right in your mind. I know you do. I can look in your face and tell you got one.	6:27
Marva Williams Jones	Oh, what are you talking about? Something like—	6:48
Tunga White	A saying you say, a Bible verse—	6:48
Marva Williams Jones	You understand. I'll be talking sometimes, I say, "Well, you understand."	6:57
Tunga White	Okay.	7:03
Marva Williams Jones	And I say the 23rd Psalm a lot. That's one of my favorites.	7:06
Tunga White	Okay. Let's see.	7:16
Marva Williams Jones	Give out, but don't give up.	7:17
Tunga White	That's another good one. Okay. All right. I think that's all my forms. All we have to do now is—	7:19
Tunga White	You have a nickname? I bet you do have a nickname. What's your nickname? I know you do. (Marva Williams Jones laughs) You look like you would have a nickname.	7:36
Marva Williams Jones	A little old lady gave it to me a long time ago. She used to call me Stick.	7:43
Tunga White	Why'd she call you Stick?	7:47
Marva Williams Jones	Because I was skinny then, but I got big. Then, I come off of it and back skinny again.	7:52
Tunga White	Okay.	8:00
Marva Williams Jones	Hey, treasurer of the—I forgot to tell you.	8:01
Tunga White	Another one?	8:06
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh.	8:06
Tunga White	Okay.	8:06
Marva Williams Jones	It's the Voters Education Project.	8:09
Tunga White	Okay.	8:11
Marva Williams Jones	I always wound up being the treasurer when I go to a meeting.	8:13
Sally Graham	That's good.	8:16
Tunga White	That's good. A lot of people, they wouldn't never want to be.	8:20
Sally Graham	They trust you and have confidence.	8:20
Marva Williams Jones	The lady at the bank told me, said, "Well Marva, you sure is a good person, and trustworthy." See, a lot of times, this [indistinct 00:08:29] I'm talking about would send me in to deposit her money and all like that. A lot of people I do errands for. And they say, "Well, they sure got a good constant, they got you. They know you'll do the right thing."	8:22
Tunga White	Yeah, because some people I wouldn't even want to have a penny of my money. I'd be scared.	8:42
Marva Williams Jones	I don't know how many of these, but I've got them in a box. I got a heap. Yes, I have.	8:50
Tunga White	That's good. Well, I'll tell you one thing I want. You know this picture you have in here of your graduation? I want to come back one day and take a picture of that so I can have a copy of that. Would that be okay?	8:53
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. Any of it.	9:06
Tunga White	Or some more of these other pictures of your children when they were young.	9:09
Sally Graham	We're going to be back in Sylvester. Do you trust us enough—	9:11
Marva Williams Jones	You can take it.	9:14
Sally Graham	—to take the album with us so we can take them and get them scanned?	9:16
Tunga White	Or come back and get it another time or we can copy it here or we can copy it there. Whatever.	9:18
Marva Williams Jones	Well, you're coming back. You can take it online and run the copies of the different ones you want.	9:23
Tunga White	All right. Now, all we have to do, we've got a form now for you to sign. Either you can read it or I can read it for you. All it says is that the purpose of the Behind the Veil Project, Documenting African-American Life in the Jim Crow Period, is to gather and preserve historical documents by means of tape-recorded interviews. Tape recordings and transcripts resulting from such interviews becomes a part of the archives of the collection at Duke University. This material will be made available for historical and other academic research and public dissemination. All it says is that we, the undersigned, have read the above and voluntarily offer Duke University full use of this tape and the transcript that we get from this tape and it's going to be used for scholarly research in the future.	9:28
Marva Williams Jones	Well, that's something I should have told y'all about when I first—	10:23
Tunga White	Go ahead.	10:26
Marva Williams Jones	—came into the NAACP.	10:27
Tunga White	Tell us about it.	10:30
Marva Williams Jones	Then, it wasn't spread abroad, because we were slipping around in churches and things. I would go with this lady. Then, when I became a member, I said, "Well, why y'all got to slip around and carry on like that? Let it be open, because the Ku Klux Klan is open. It's [indistinct 00:10:56]." I got on board and started working and working up until today.	10:32
Tunga White	How long have you been a part of—	11:06
Marva Williams Jones	Oh, I got a part of that when I was in high school.	11:09
Tunga White	Really?	11:13
Marva Williams Jones	And I came out of high school and went right on into voting and I vote in every election.	11:15
Tunga White	That's great.	11:20
Marva Williams Jones	Yes, sir. And I encourage. Yeah.	11:21
Tunga White	Do a lot of the young Black people in the area vote now?	11:25
Marva Williams Jones	Well, not like they used to. Then, a lot of them got themselves messed up where they can't vote, been in jail and all this kind of stuff.	11:29
Arthur Jones	Sure.	11:38
Marva Williams Jones	We got an election coming up in July.	11:40
Tunga White	Mm-hmm.	11:42
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah.	11:43
Tunga White	Yeah. We saw some of the signs for the people running.	11:44
Tunga White	All I need for you is, write your name out here and put your address and your city and sign it and give me the date right there.	11:48
Marva Williams Jones	Maybe I should put W. Jones. Then, you'll know where that Williams comes in. 1075 Albany. See, you didn't know I lived on Albany Avenue.	12:02
Sally Graham	I saw it.	12:05
Tunga White	I saw it when we pulled up.	12:06
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. Somebody told me one day, "You don't live in—" I said, "It is, too." I said, "Nah."	12:24
Tunga White	And just sign there.	12:39
Marva Williams Jones	Sign there.	12:39
Tunga White	Uh-huh. I think today's date is June 17th.	12:40
Marva Williams Jones	6/17/94.	12:52
Tunga White	Right. Okay. This is the same thing about the pictures. It's just saying that we're borrowing the pictures and we're going to return them to you and it's okay for us to make a copy from it. It's just the same thing.	13:00
Marva Williams Jones	Same thing, then?	13:11
Tunga White	Same thing you did for that other sheet.	13:11
Marva Williams Jones	Oh. Okay.	13:12
Arthur Jones	I'm going to get some fish and I'll be back.	13:12
Marva Williams Jones	Okay. Y'all know I got a good husband. He do all the cooking.	13:22
Tunga White	You're a lucky woman.	13:26
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah, he's real nice. Best thing I have in my life.	13:28
Tunga White	That's good.	13:33
Marva Williams Jones	His job isn't today. He doesn't work in the summertime. He's a janitor at Harley Elementary.	13:39
Tunga White	School. They're just getting out?	13:46
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah.	13:48

Tunga White	—all your history? Can you tell me, do you remember your grandmother? Or your grandparents?	0:00
Marva Williams Jones	No.	0:00
Tunga White	You don't? On either side?	0:00
Marva Williams Jones	Neither side . I wish that I had.	0:00
Tunga White	Did your parents ever talk about them?	0:00
Marva Williams Jones	Yes.	0:00
Tunga White	What did they say about them? Do you remember?	0:00
Marva Williams Jones	The most of the things they said—Well, my mother didn't like this. Or we couldn't do this, or we couldn't do that. And back in then, they were very sharing people, with the neighbors and friends and whatever, more than we are today. And my mother, she died in January of '54. My daddy got struck out here on 82 in '54. September.	0:00
Tunga White	What, he died in a car crash? A car hit him?	0:00
Marva Williams Jones	A car hit him.	0:00
Tunga White	When was that? Right here?	0:00
Marva Williams Jones	Right. January and September.	0:00
Tunga White	So he was just walking or something, or—	0:00
Marva Williams Jones	Coming across. You know how sometimes the fast—some fast ones.	0:00
Tunga White	Where were your parents from? Were they from originally here?	0:00
Marva Williams Jones	No, we moved here from Colquitt. Moultrie, Georgia. But I originally think my mother was from Somerset County, Maryland. And I think he was from Galveston. Yeah, from over there. But I was born in Colquitt. January 25, '34.	0:06
Tunga White	January 25 is my birthday, too.	0:06
Marva Williams Jones	It is?	0:06
Tunga White	January 25, 1968 is my birthday.	1:45
Marva Williams Jones	How about that?	1:45
Tunga White	How many brothers and sisters did you have?	1:45
Marva Williams Jones	Well, I had eight. And three—no, two sisters. It was just the three of us; me and [indistinct 00:02:28].	1:45
Tunga White	What did your father do for a living?	1:45
Marva Williams Jones	Farmer.	1:45
Tunga White	He was a farmer? What kind of farming did he do?	1:45
Marva Williams Jones	Tobacco, corn, just the basics.	1:45
Tunga White	Did he work—did he have his own land? Or did he work somebody else's land?	2:53
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-uh (negative). He worked for somebody else's land. And this I can remember. You know it was this thing of first Saturday is when he got paid very little money. And then at the end of the year, he would always say, broke. You got broke. And then he didn't make no money with the peanuts. And I did a little shaking peanuts. And picking cotton.	2:55
Tunga White	Did the other people in the house help shake the peanuts?	3:25
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. We all—	3:32
Tunga White	Your momma? The young kids, too?	3:32
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. And housework, too.	3:34
Tunga White	Did she have to work outside of the fields and your house, so like working for somebody else?	3:34
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-uh (negative).	3:34
Tunga White	Work at somebody else's house?	3:34
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-uh (negative).	3:34
Tunga White	Somebody at the door?	3:34
Marva Williams Jones	Come in! [INTERRUPTION 00:03:34]	3:34
Tunga White	We were talking about her father and the work he used to do as a farmer. He was a sharecropper?	3:34
Marva Williams Jones	Um-hmm.	3:34
Tunga White	And he worked picking cotton, and the tobacco?	3:34
Marva Williams Jones	Right.	3:34
Tunga White	And peanuts, and they got that [indistinct 00:04:09]—	3:34
Marva Williams Jones	And my mother worked at the house and she worked in the field, too. And we did, too.	4:09
Tunga White	So would y'all go out in the morning?	4:10
Marva Williams Jones	What time? It would be early. So around 6:00. And stayed 'til 6:00 in the evening sometimes.	4:10
Tunga White	Did you all work on the weekends?	4:10
Marva Williams Jones	Weekdays. But if it was, like, you know, we got a certain time to do the peanuts, you got to do them. Because a lot of times we had to leave the [indistinct 00:04:27] to get them peanuts in a certain time.	4:26
Tunga White	And you were talking about, you had to shake the peanuts. I don't know what that is. What is that?	4:27
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah, they had this particular thing going long and turn the peanuts up. And you go along and shake them and stack them. But they got a new way now. But then, we scooping them up out with that pitchfork, and stack them. And I think I did it about twice. That wasn't my thing. No, no. And I couldn't pick too much cotton. But now, as far pulling, I could pull the cotton. About 100 and something. You'd weigh that cotton. Not paying nothing too much. And then eventually, in the later years, I was just like a water boy. Took them water.	4:28
Tunga White	You took the water to the people out there?	5:53
Marva Williams Jones	Right, right.	5:53
Tunga White	So would your mother go out there and work all from sunup to sundown and then come back home—	5:57
Marva Williams Jones	And have to cook.	6:02
Tunga White	—and do all the work?	6:04
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah.	6:04
Tunga White	So did y'all help her with the work around the house?	6:04
Marva Williams Jones	Oh, yes. Uh-huh.	6:04
Tunga White	What did you have to do in there?	6:04
Marva Williams Jones	Well, getting wood. Or bring the cows in. Milk the cows or something like that. Mostly on Saturday; that was our time, because in then, the people had big yards. And you had to sweep them yards. Ooh-ha! I hate that, and I can still remember that! Oh yeah.	6:12
Tunga White	How many times did you have to sweep the yard?	6:17
Marva Williams Jones	Just once a week. And sometimes we had to feed the hogs. We had a bunch of hogs. And back in then, there's something that we really enjoyed is when the neighbors get ready to shell their peanuts. We'd go to each other's house. Everybody would go around and shell them. Yeah, they'd shell. Yeah. Like I said, back in them days, if one Mr Smith, is peel their haul, they shell part of theirs. And when peel ours, we shell part of ours. And then we'd feel good about giving and doing.	6:43
Tunga White	Do you remember some more of the names of the people who were all living at that time there?	7:17
Marva Williams Jones	It was from Jackson, but I don't remember their last name. The Murphy's. Eugene Murphy. I remember him.	7:35
Speaker 3	Oh yeah.	7:39
Marva Williams Jones	They were doing the same thing; they were farming. There was a fellow, Brown. [indistinct 00:07:58] out from Moultrie, a place they called Funston, Georgia. Funston, Georgia.	7:39
Tunga White	How far was that from the city? From Moultrie?	7:39
Marva Williams Jones	Oh, it might have been five miles. I don't know exactly, but I—	7:39
Tunga White	That's all right. That's okay.	7:39
Marva Williams Jones	And in Funston, there was a church. A Baptist church that we went to at that time. I don't remember the name of it. That's where we went to church.	7:58
Tunga White	That was the church y'all went to Sunday morning?	7:58
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh.	7:58
Tunga White	Was that near your house?	7:58
Marva Williams Jones	No, we lived a bit east of it.	7:58
Tunga White	Do you remember a preacher?	7:58
Marva Williams Jones	No.	7:58
Tunga White	Did y'all go every Sunday, though, [indistinct 00:09:26]?	7:58
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. And one thing, we would come in up after we moved here, my mother was a tyrant. If we didn't go to Sunday school, then we couldn't go play with our friends. Uh-huh! I said, Lord, uh-uh (negative)! Nowhere!	8:09
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:09:53]	9:51
Marva Williams Jones	No, you—uh-huh. Just sat there. And then, they only told us whatever we had to do one time. But the kids now, you got to tell them two or three times to wash the dishes. We knew! It just come natural to us. When we got through eating that we had to get up and do the dishes. So we just got on up and do. We know we had to mop. We never had to tell, "Do this, do that, do that." We just automatically knew we had to do it.	9:52
Tunga White	What if you didn't do it? What [indistinct 00:10:38]?	10:20
Marva Williams Jones	(laughs) Well—Maybe I shouldn't really say anything on that.	10:37
Marva Williams Jones	You know, one day I walked in—That's another thing. When my mother had company, she did not allow us to come in and listen. But I'd try. I came in and this lady was talking about, "I saw so-and-so the other day, and she done broke her leg."	10:41
Marva Williams Jones	And me, being [indistinct 00:11:05]. "That girl's leg is not broke!" And that's all I remember. Because I was getting up off the floor. Back in then, they talking about a leg broke for pregnant. Instead of just telling us the straight truth about it. Yeah!	11:03
Marva Williams Jones	So I said I saw that girl the other day. "Her leg is not broken!" And that's all I remember. I was getting up—and from that day to that day, I didn't come in on no kind of person! And when she had company and we seen them coming, out that door we had to go.	11:18
Tunga White	You knew you had to go?	11:39
Marva Williams Jones	Um-hmm. We could not. Because if you notice my kids, "Oh, come on in. Sit down. Take a [indistinct 00:11:43] and talk." We never did that. Couldn't do it.	11:40
Tunga White	So your momma and your daddy both administered discipline? Like whipping or cussing at you, all this stuff? Did they both? Or just was your momma the only one that would get on you? That would yell at you.	11:42
Marva Williams Jones	My momma got on me more than my daddy. I could kind of smooth him over. But then, there were times he was strict, too. Yeah.	12:07
Tunga White	Would you say they were harder on the boys than the girls?	12:37
Marva Williams Jones	I believe they was more harder on the boys, I believe. Me being the baby. Yeah, I kind of got [indistinct 00:12:39]. But back then, the things that my parents could afford to give us, they did. You know, at Christmas time. We didn't get a whole lot. We might have got a doll and some fruits, and all this kind of stuff. Back in then, they really made it look like Christmas. Because that [indistinct 00:13:07] back in then. And we lived in a house where we could look up and see the moon and the stars and all of that. You know what I mean? And we had the lamps. Yeah, sure did.	12:41
Tunga White	What did the rooms look like in your house?	13:19
Marva Williams Jones	We lived in a kind of big house. You had to go out on the porch to get to the kitchen. Maybe five or six rooms. Yeah.	13:19
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:13:32]?	13:19
Marva Williams Jones	I don't know. It might be. It might be my [indistinct 00:13:32] again. Everybody would come on—everybody, you know? People didn't get a [indistinct 00:13:32]. But there might be. There might be an older son. Yeah.	13:19
Tunga White	So how were the sleeping arrangements in the house? Who would sleep in the house?	13:19
Marva Williams Jones	Back in then, me and my sisters, all the girls were going to be together. All the boys.	13:19
Tunga White	So you were all in one—	13:19
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh. And I had two older brothers off. They were off. They were men. One of them was in the service. World War II.	13:19
Tunga White	That was pretty [indistinct 00:14:53].	13:19
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah.	13:31
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:15:05].	13:31
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah.	13:33
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:15:09].	13:33
Marva Williams Jones	You know, Sally kind of favored a girl that came here during the March movement from California.	13:33
Tunga White	Really?	13:48
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh.	13:48
Tunga White	Wow. I guess everybody's got somebody somewhere.	13:48
Marva Williams Jones	Right.	13:48
Tunga White	Do you remember her name?	13:48
Marva Williams Jones	No. I don't remember her name. But she came and stayed here. That's when we were really hot. No one home. Yeah.	13:52
Tunga White	Do you remember going to school?	13:59
Marva Williams Jones	Yes. That school wasn't far from that church. And then, it was an open place. No, not open; room. Each room.	15:57
Tunga White	Oh.	16:07
Marva Williams Jones	Like this would be Miss Johnson. I had a food teacher, Miss Cobb. I never will forget her. Uh-huh, I remember Miss Cobb.	16:08
Tunga White	Was she from that area?	16:11
Marva Williams Jones	I think she lived in town. Moultrie, maybe.	16:23
Tunga White	Do you remember some of the other teachers there?	16:24
Marva Williams Jones	A Miss Taylor. I remember her.	16:24
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:16:26].	16:24
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah, it was about six rooms. And then they had a big stage. I remember about the time I went on the stage and forgot my speech. I got stage fright!	16:25
Tunga White	Oh no! How old were you when that happened?	17:11
Marva Williams Jones	I was about in the fifth grade. Forgot everything!	17:18
Tunga White	What kind of program was it?	17:18
Marva Williams Jones	It was a Halloween program.	17:21
Tunga White	What did they do when you stood there [indistinct 00:17:32]?	17:25
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah, come on back. I said, "Oh Lord, I'm going to get it tomorrow." But I didn't, no. She said, "You just got stage fright, and that happens." She was nice like that.	17:32
Tunga White	Did that ever happen again?	17:40
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-uh, no.	17:40
Tunga White	About what year was that?	17:40
Marva Williams Jones	I don't know. That was back in the '40's or something. We moved up here in '45, I believe.	17:40
Tunga White	So each teacher had their own grade? They taught only one grade, a teacher did?	17:57
Marva Williams Jones	Back in then, she did it all. If you was in fourth grade, everything come under that fourth grade teacher. Fifth grade. It wasn't like we changed class, and go math here and this, uh-uh (negative). There wasn't no changing no class. Not back in then.	18:20
Tunga White	Did the teachers back then ever [indistinct 00:18:36]?	18:36
Marva Williams Jones	It might have been for those that was kind of real rough, they would go tell them. You know, talk to them. Yeah, they would. But most didn't have too many rough ones. Because back in then, the teacher could whoop them. Their friends, their neighbor could whoop them. And then you know when you get home, you're getting another. And people didn't get as mad about the kids being foolish or nothing.	18:36
Marva Williams Jones	And back in then, I was so afraid it was a bulldog. My neighbor. And this dog bit me. And I was too scared to tell my momma. So one day I went with my momma to this lady's house. And she said, "Well, how is your leg now?"	19:23
Marva Williams Jones	And my momma said, "What you mean, how is her leg?" She said, "Marva didn't tell you about the dog bit her?" It was a bulldog, too. I'll never forget it's face. It's white. She said, "You mean to tell me a dog bit my baby, and she didn't tell me nothing about it?" I said "No ma'am, I was too scared." Yep, she really did.	19:38
Marva Williams Jones	And I'll tell you something else, back then. We had some White neighbor, and he was deaf and dumb. And he had this girl. And when he'd go off, she would spend the night with us.	20:16
Tunga White	Really?	20:34
Marva Williams Jones	And we would all sleep in the same bed together, too, and whatever. They were real nice, too.	20:36
Tunga White	Did he get along with your family?	20:40
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah, uh-huh. And momma and everything, she said, "Yeah, you'll be right here with my kids. If she get out of hand, you know what to do." And the funny thing; you know what we did? We straightened her hair one day.	20:42
Tunga White	Oh no, you did?	21:02
Marva Williams Jones	We got all her hair straight. And we straightened her, and my momma had a look at that. We had that girl's hair so full of grease, ooh! "Now I got to wash it!" So we washed it. But they were real. They sure were.	21:06
Tunga White	Did you play with any other White children?	21:17
Marva Williams Jones	That was the only two that was around. Back in then, there would be a mile before you'd get to another house. Or half a mile. The housing things were not close together.	21:27
Tunga White	And when the children got together to play, what kind of things did you all play? What would y'all do?	21:45
Marva Williams Jones	There was a game of Little Sally Walker. You remember that?	21:48
Speaker 3	I played that, too.	21:53
Marva Williams Jones	And we'd play marbles. Only with those boys. Marbles was a boys' game but we played it, too. And we'd try to play preaching. Teaching. You know, school? Rock school. That was something, you know, [indistinct 00:22:19].	21:58
Tunga White	Okay.	22:18
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. Yeah.	22:18
Tunga White	When you played preacher and teacher, what did you play?	22:19
Marva Williams Jones	Oh, I was one of the members. Clapping my hands, child. When my brother would be the preacher. Or a neighbor or something. Yeah.	22:30
Marva Williams Jones	And back in then, I'll tell you something, we had to learn how to cook. You don't find good cooks no more. We took care of them of kids. And I don't mean just they just saying hi. We had to see at them. See that they get food and everything. You know what I mean? Sometimes they'd leave the kids home, and they don't even know where it was. Just last week I was over on that other street. I saw this little boy come out. I said, "You better go get him!"	22:44
Marva Williams Jones	"I don't know who he is." I said, "Well, whether you don't know who it is, please get him out the road!" He done walked out from the house, and whoever raising him was in that TV with the story.	23:17
Tunga White	Uh-huh. Didn't even he was gone.	23:28
Marva Williams Jones	And we had one of them wind-up record players y'all heard about. We had one of them. And a radio.	23:28
Tunga White	Who did y'all listen to on the radio and your records? On your record player?	23:28
Marva Williams Jones	I can't think of all of them. Doris Day and all of that. Most of the time, when listen to that radio, we would listen to Joe Louis. That boxer. Oh, yeah.	23:37
Tunga White	Did the other families that you knew have radios?	23:37
Marva Williams Jones	That's all they had. Like everybody got TVs now, they had them radios and them wind-ups. Some of them had them and then some of them didn't.	23:37
Tunga White	Sometimes when Joe Louis was boxing, would other people come over to listen to it?	24:02
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. And watch it. Uh-huh. Yeah. And it was a long time before we had a icebox. We would dig a hole and put that ice down in that hole. And it kept! Then eventually we got able to get a icebox. We had a icebox.	24:33
Tunga White	Would you dig a hole in your back yard?	25:00
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh! Big enough for that block. It was block ice. And the ice truck would run every other day. And I would say, we done got onto a little—what we'd have, inside we had to keep stuff down under there, too. And then eventually got the icebox to put the ice up top.	25:00
Tunga White	Do you remember how old you were when y'all got your first icebox?	25:30
Marva Williams Jones	Not exactly.	25:33
Tunga White	Were you a young girl or a teenager?	25:33
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-uh, no; not a teenager. Smaller. Yeah. And back in then, we had smoothing irons.	25:34
Tunga White	What's a smoothing iron?	25:42
Marva Williams Jones	Can I move?	26:14
Tunga White	Uh-huh (affirmative)	26:14
Marva Williams Jones	To keep it nice and hot, we had to have a coal bucket.	26:14
Tunga White	Oh, this is a smoothing iron. Looks like a regular iron.	26:17
Marva Williams Jones	You need to put them to your fireplace, or you could put them on a coal bucket. And honey, we had them dresses, them skirts standing out. Woo!	26:17
Tunga White	You need to heat this up. How you say you heat this up?	26:27
Marva Williams Jones	Well, if you got the fireplace, you'd put them next to the fireplace and let them get hot. And then a lot of them had the coal bucket. You'd get your coals and then when they get red hot, put the iron on it. And it's amazing!	26:30
Tunga White	Wasn't the coal dirty?	26:43
Marva Williams Jones	We had someone clean it off.	26:43
Speaker 3	Clean it off.	26:43
Marva Williams Jones	And go on with that iron. And I mean, they could iron!	26:50
Tunga White	Could you iron better with this? Or one of the irons we have nowadays?	26:51
Marva Williams Jones	Well, I ironed real good with that.	26:58
Tunga White	It's so heavy! I bet you had some strong arms.	27:00
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah, we had to do it. And that rub board. I don't have a rub board to show you. Rub on the clothes.	27:00
Tunga White	Oh yeah. I seen one of those. Where you wash it on.	27:13
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah, that's what we had to wash on.	27:18
Tunga White	You had to wash, too.	27:18
Marva Williams Jones	And my momma made soap out of old meat skins and all of that. Old grease and tallow and stuff.	27:20
Tunga White	Did you ever watch her make it? Or did you help her make it?	27:31
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-uh. I just watched her.	27:31
Tunga White	Tell me how.	27:31
Marva Williams Jones	Well, they'd boil it in the pot. You know them wash pots? And they'd mix different stuff into it. I got a piece in there. You want me to go get it?	27:34
Tunga White	Let me just take this off. [indistinct 00:28:02] I think I've seen that. Did it make a lot of suds and stuff?	27:54
Marva Williams Jones	Suds. Uh-huh.	27:55
Tunga White	Really?	27:55
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. And lye soap. [indistinct 00:28:24] Ooh! That was [indistinct 00:28:28].	28:07
Tunga White	Really?	28:24
Marva Williams Jones	Yep. Sure did. Yeah. [indistinct 00:28:30] then I thought, Oh, I'll just hang it up.	28:29
Tunga White	Who made this?	28:50
Marva Williams Jones	This was something that my husband's daddy had made.	28:50
Tunga White	Oh. And why is this black like this?	28:50
Marva Williams Jones	It might be a piece of meat. That's what I said, because it was made with that. Because at the time, as we washed, we used to come in 'til somebody—Just like when they made sausage, sometimes we would come in to the bone like.	28:55
Tunga White	Okay. All right, I've heard lots of [indistinct 00:29:27].	29:22
Marva Williams Jones	And sausage.	29:22
Tunga White	So what other kinds of things did you make for each other?	29:22
Marva Williams Jones	My momma did a lot of quilting. And I made one when I was in school.	29:53
Tunga White	Really?	29:59
Marva Williams Jones	Back in '54.	29:59
Tunga White	Do you have any of the quilts that you made?	29:59
Marva Williams Jones	Huh-uh. I didn't make but one. Believe me.	29:59
Tunga White	Did it take a long time for you to make that?	29:59
Marva Williams Jones	Well, we had help with it. During class, we'd get a little help to make it.	29:59
Tunga White	Everyone has to make it?	29:59
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh.	29:59
Tunga White	You had a Home Economics class or something?	29:59
Marva Williams Jones	Right.	29:59
Tunga White	Oh.	29:59
Marva Williams Jones	I made one quilt. And I made one, maybe two there. Someone was not very—	29:59
Tunga White	So did they teach cooking, too, in that class?	29:59
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh.	29:59
Tunga White	What did y'all have to cook?	29:59
Marva Williams Jones	Cakes and different things. Sometimes one class would fix a breakfast, one class would fix a dinner.	30:38
Tunga White	Did everybody have to eat and serve the food?	30:38
Marva Williams Jones	Um-hmm. And that cake, I don't know what happened to the cake. At that time, I said we put too much of something because it didn't do right.	31:07
Tunga White	Did it come out right [indistinct 00:31:12]? So what school was this?	31:10
Marva Williams Jones	Oak Hill High. Right over here, right back up in here, where there was apartments. You probably seen them as you drove through that way. That's Oak Hill High. Back there.	31:10
Tunga White	That was the high school?	31:10
Marva Williams Jones	Um-hmm. Right here.	31:10
Tunga White	What was the name of the school when you went to school at [indistinct 00:31:12]?	31:10
Marva Williams Jones	I can't remember whether Funston Elementary or what [indistinct 00:31:12].	31:10
Tunga White	How far up did that school go? Up to what grade?	31:10
Marva Williams Jones	Back in then, I think they went to the ninth or something like that.	31:10
Tunga White	When you actually got out of that ninth grade [indistinct 00:32:13]? eighth grade or ninth grade?	31:10
Marva Williams Jones	Well, we moved up here. We moved in '45 when moved on up here. I finished up over here at Oak Hill High.	31:10
Tunga White	What year did you graduate?	31:10
Marva Williams Jones	It was '54 I think. Yeah, I think it was '54.	31:11
Tunga White	Do you remember the graduation?	31:11
Marva Williams Jones	Um-hmm. From every grade. We had a program. We had gowns. We didn't get no ring. And it wasn't but about 10. Our class wasn't big. Of course, the class wasn't big when we graduated from high school. It was about 20 then, when we graduated.	33:12
Tunga White	Did anybody come to speak at your graduation? Somebody from the city? The town?	33:40
Marva Williams Jones	No, just the people. Teachers and things. I know what you're talking about; like, somebody comes to speak. Back in then we had basketball. Not too much football. But it was basketball. That's all we was into. Basketball. I played a couple of times. And then the teacher, he whipped us about then, so I got out there. I got out the [indistinct 00:34:14]. And where they played ball, they used to call it Slab City because it had a bunch of slabs around there. We just had slabs all around. So you couldn't come in. You had to come in the right way. You couldn't see the game.	33:50
Tunga White	So this was at the high school you were at?	34:14
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh. This Oak Hill.	34:14
Tunga White	This is outside?	34:14
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah.	34:14
Tunga White	Did y'all go to other places and play ball?	34:18
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh.	34:19
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:34:20].	34:19
Marva Williams Jones	They went to—I think they played Albany. You know, at different places. Tifton and all that. [indistinct 00:34:20] I forgot it.	34:19
Tunga White	You didn't want to go to any of the games?	34:20
Marva Williams Jones	I went to the games that was here. But what I mean, I wasn't going to all that.	34:32
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:34:47]?	34:41
Marva Williams Jones	In the car. Wasn't no buses back then.	34:41
Tunga White	Did a lot of people—	34:41
Marva Williams Jones	Cars. Some. A lot of them just go with each other. Different ones. Some of them had cars and some of them didn't. Yeah.	34:47
Marva Williams Jones	In Home Ec, they did a whole lot of sewing, cooking. And the Ag boys, they did a lot of farming. They had hogs, and they would get prizes off of them. And who had the nicest garden and things like that.	34:47
Tunga White	What other classes do you remember taking?	35:55
Marva Williams Jones	We had Reading and Math. And we had a teacher named Kirkendall. I remember Miss Kirkendall from Tennessee, too.	35:55
Tunga White	What did she teach you?	35:55
Marva Williams Jones	Huh? She'd teach Math. And the Home Ec teacher, I know she was from Tennessee. Miss Calhoun. And that Ag teacher was A.G. Sattler. Mr. Sattler. He got to retire now, been so long.	37:59
Tunga White	Did any of the boys take Home Ec, or any of the girls take Agriculture?	37:59
Marva Williams Jones	No. They was all pretty easy classes, though.	37:59
Tunga White	What was your favorite class?	37:59
Marva Williams Jones	I liked the Home Ec.	37:59
Tunga White	What was the class you hated the most?	37:59
Marva Williams Jones	Well, I didn't really hate none of them too bad. But I'll tell you the most—I didn't really hate nothing, but I didn't really like taking tests.	37:59
Tunga White	No, I didn't like it either.	37:59
Marva Williams Jones	I didn't like that test. And we did a whole lot of slipping out the window, because we had a teacher, Miss Cobb. We'd slip out. One would be talking to her, and the other one slipped on out.	38:05
Tunga White	Where were y'all going?	38:24
Marva Williams Jones	To the bathroom.	38:25
Tunga White	You were just getting out of there?	38:25
Marva Williams Jones	[indistinct 00:38:30]. Uh-huh. Yep, she didn't.	38:25
Tunga White	You didn't ever get caught, did you?	38:25
Marva Williams Jones	No. And then at graduating time, we was graduating from churches. We'd go to different churches. Jones Chapel, Brooks Chapel.	38:33
Tunga White	How [indistinct 00:39:06]?	38:45
Marva Williams Jones	I don't think they had any. I think they had to stop off and work. I don't think they finished nothing. I can remember my daddy, he couldn't do no reading or whatever. But my momma could read some. Mostly back in then, them boys, they'd pull them out.	39:08
Tunga White	When you were younger, how many months did you have to go to school a year? Did you [indistinct 00:39:27] or was it shorter?	39:26
Marva Williams Jones	I think back then, I believe it was shorter. But the old ones like that, they'd come up to the eleventh. And then eventually they'd hit twelve.	39:47
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:40:05]?	39:56
Marva Williams Jones	I think they started in September. It wasn't all of us though then. Because a lot of kids didn't come in at that time because they didn't have clothes. They hadn't got their clothes. So we had to get out there and work and try to get up our clothes. So it would be in the middle of September or the last of September. And I think we always did get out in May. It wasn't June. We only went in May.	40:19
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:40:34]?	40:33
Marva Williams Jones	Anywhere. Uh-huh. [indistinct 00:40:34] Hall. Yeah.	40:33
Tunga White	Was that a Black family or a White family?	40:34
Marva Williams Jones	White. [indistinct 00:41:28].	41:24
Tunga White	How did you get that job?	41:30
Marva Williams Jones	How did I get it?	41:31
Tunga White	Um-hmm.	41:31
Marva Williams Jones	I don't know, by some friends or something. You know how people talk so I worked. And it was another friend of mine, they were working. And back in then, they'd ask, "You know anybody who'd want to work?" So I did. And then, when I get out of school, I worked $8.00 a week. Can you believe it?	41:35
Tunga White	$8.00 a week!	41:39
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah, and my kids laughed at me when I told them that. "Mom!" I said, that's why I say you better get an education. Yes sir. $8.00. And then they moved—If you were getting $15.00, oh man, that's top pay! Big! $15.00. Went to $15.00.	41:40
Tunga White	And what were you doing there?	42:22
Marva Williams Jones	Housework. Doing it all. Washing, cooking, and ironing, and all of that.	42:25
Tunga White	You were?	42:30
Marva Williams Jones	Go at about 8:00 and come back about 6:00. 5:00 or 6:00. All day long. And plus, we're taking care of kids, too! They would have to have their dinner done. Washing. Ironing.	42:33
Tunga White	That sounds like a hard job!	42:44
Marva Williams Jones	That was for that little amount of money. And they just laugh when I told them. I sure did.	42:44
Tunga White	But you were doing that in the summertime, or in the winters?	42:44
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah, but it was mostly anytime they wanted to go out, I'd babysit. 50 cents. And then sometimes, they might give me another 50 cents and give me a dollar. I'd stay there sometimes it'd be 1:00, 2:00 [indistinct 00:43:07].	42:50
Tunga White	And when you were through, would they take you home?	43:07
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. They come get me, and then they would take me home. But then, like when I was doing this long summer job, I had to walk there. And that was over there by where that—y'all might have heard about it—a gym got burned the other day. Y'all hearing anything of that?	43:09
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:43:47].	43:46
Marva Williams Jones	Well, anyway, well gym, here in Sylvester, and I had to walk from right where I'm living now way across town. Yeah.	43:49
Tunga White	Was a lot of girls your age doing the same kind of thing?	44:00
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh. Yeah.	44:03
Tunga White	You had your [indistinct 00:44:14]. You had to do their laundry, and all of that?	44:07
Marva Williams Jones	Um-hmm. And [indistinct 00:44:21], too.	44:07
Tunga White	So you told me the children were being bad. Did you have permission to discipline them?	44:21
Marva Williams Jones	Um-hmm. And I did just that. I can remember one of the boys went in there and got his mother's lipstick. And come back and come up to me and said, "I'm a Indian." I said yes sir. And this Indian is going to get him. I whipped him and put him in the tub and scrubbed him. He had lipstick all over himself! Playing Indian. And [indistinct 00:45:00] like a Indian. Yeah, back in then, them nannies and things would beat those kids. Keep them safe. You know, they didn't bruise them up. But they'd spank them and discipline and everything. And the parents, they didn't—you know, huh-uh.	44:37
Marva Williams Jones	And then I got a job at the hotel washing dishes. Pay was only—wasn't too much more.	45:10
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:45:38].	45:30
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh. But most of all my friends, they didn't mind working. We worked because then, that 50 cents, that $8.00 and $15.00, that was good. Some of them didn't get but $12.00.	45:45
Tunga White	At that time, was it just you and your mom and daddy in the same house? And the rest was gone? Who lived there?	45:58
Marva Williams Jones	Then my parents was gone then. It was just me. Me and my sister lived together for a while.	46:05
Tunga White	And you were about how old?	46:17
Marva Williams Jones	Oh, I was about 20, 21. Somewhere along in that age.	46:17
Tunga White	How much older was your sister than you?	46:17
Marva Williams Jones	She was, I think, two years.	46:17
Tunga White	What was she doing?	46:17
Marva Williams Jones	Working, too. Yep, she was working. And she worked at a factory.	46:57

Marva Williams Jones	My first husband. I met my first husband by a friend. He introduced me to him.	0:00
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:00:22].	0:00
Marva Williams Jones	Nah, I don't think so. I liked him and everything, but I [indistinct 00:00:36]. I thought if I could have married my oldest girl's daddy, I would've been cool. I really would have. But I didn't. But eventually, this guy, we liked some of the same things. And eventually, he wound up in trouble. So that was that. That ended that relationship. Eventually, I got my divorce, and then I got married to another man, Arthur Jones in '83.	0:00
Tunga White	So how old were you when you married your first husband?	0:00
Marva Williams Jones	I might've been in my thirties or about my forties, maybe.	0:00
Tunga White	Would most women getting married young like you?	0:00
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. 15 and 14.	0:00
Tunga White	Why didn't you follow along with it in getting married?	0:00
Marva Williams Jones	I didn't know.	0:00
Tunga White	Did you do a lot of courting?	0:00
Marva Williams Jones	Yes. Not a whole lot, but I courted some.	0:00
Tunga White	Oh. What was your courting experience, coming to the house?	0:00
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. We'd go out to different clubs and things.	0:00
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:02:29]	0:00
Marva Williams Jones	Well, most of them back then, they called them juke joints. Yeah. They had several of them down. They called down cross the railroad tracks, down in Colored Town, they called it.	0:00
Tunga White	Were the juke joints the clubs [indistinct 00:02:49]—	0:00
Marva Williams Jones	The jukebox. On the jukebox, and we'd dance. Or either just sit and listen.	0:00
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:03:00].	0:00
Marva Williams Jones	Muddy Waters. It's another one. They have a—BB King.	0:00
Tunga White	Yeah.	0:00
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah.	0:00
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:03:38]?	0:00
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah, when my parents were living. Yeah, you had to be home by about 10:00 or 10:30, no later than 11:00. And we used to ask to go to a movie, and then you know how we'd go every which way but the movie. And I remember one night up here on the hill there, it used to be a group, and I was up there talking. So when I got home that night, my mama said, "Marva, ain't you been up on the hill?"	3:57
Marva Williams Jones	"No, ma'am." She said, "Girl, don't you tell me that, because I heard your mouth."	4:07
Tunga White	Ooh.	4:07
Marva Williams Jones	And I never in all my life—she was a lady, if you said 5 o'clock, you better be there at 5 o'clock. All right. My sister lived cross the road there, still do. And I was coming home. Told me back at 6 o'clock. I had told my mama. And she met me down this road here, and she put a whooping on me that I won't never forget. And I thought that was the awfullest thing. I thought that was mean. I said, "Now, just coming from my sister's house." But you know what it taught me? To be on time. Yep. To be on time. You got somewhere to go at 5 o'clock, be there at 5. Ooh, that lady put a whooping on me, and I thought, just because I was coming from my sister's house and I was late. She tore me up. And she told me a time to be there, I better try to be there. If I didn't, I know what was coming.	4:07
Tunga White	Did your mama have a lot of other rules for the family?	6:13
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. Well, she had laid down rules about what we supposed to do, different things what we supposed, we had to do that. Me and one of my friends in the eighth grade prom. I couldn't go until I asked mom. Ooh, they hate me to my heart. I said, "Mama, I can go." I mean, kids don't even know what's going on. And she said, "No." I just cried and I cried, but I tell you, I—but I didn't go. I didn't go [indistinct 00:06:14].	6:13
Tunga White	Would you say your mama was real strict?	6:13
Marva Williams Jones	She was not really that. she was strict, but not real strict. Because I was [indistinct 00:06:28].	6:13
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:06:36]?	6:13
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah, a lot of my friends could get to go and do things that I couldn't do.	6:13
Tunga White	Like what?	6:13
Marva Williams Jones	Well, if they wanted to go—It's a lot of places things would be going on, even at the [indistinct 00:06:56] and things. They could go, but ordinary, some time, she just said no, and that was it. It wasn't no reason that I hadn't did what I was supposed to do and all like that. Back then, you had to kind of, "Mama, please let me go? Can I go? I done did all what I was supposed to do. Please let me go." Something like that. And then sometimes she'd let me go.	6:45
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:06:58]?	6:56
Marva Williams Jones	Oh, I think they always lived on a farm, some kind of farm, my parents.	6:56
Tunga White	Was your daddy [indistinct 00:06:58]?	6:56
Marva Williams Jones	I [indistinct 00:06:58], but not like [indistinct 00:06:58]. See, I was a baby. I could get away with anything. [indistinct 00:07:58]. Back in then [indistinct 00:08:01].	6:56
Tunga White	So what was some of the other places you remember going, if you remember?	6:56
Marva Williams Jones	Well, nothing but to know where the juke joints. Maybe to school activities or [indistinct 00:08:41]. And I got older, and there were a lot of times we'd go to Albany to get [indistinct 00:08:49], to the movies or whatever.	6:56
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:08:59].	6:56
Marva Williams Jones	And house—Yeah. The movies, We'd go to house parties, sometimes. [indistinct 00:09:06].	6:57
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:09:18].	6:57
Marva Williams Jones	No. Uh-uh. Until the [indistinct 00:09:24].	6:57
Marva Williams Jones	And I never could drink. I tried it. I couldn't. Not even gin. I tried different [indistinct 00:09:46], I got drunk on that. I could do that one.	6:57
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:09:53]?	6:57
Marva Williams Jones	Trying to. Tobacco. Ooh! Lord with me. And I can remember Lord, but I don't know too much about it, I remember I was small. And I was somewhere where they was making that moonshine, y'all have heard about that. And we was peeking in. That's what the deal was. Over there, and we was peaking in. And we would see drop. Look. Dropping in the—They'd bottle it up. That was the big thing, like dope.	6:57
Tunga White	Uh-huh.	6:57
Marva Williams Jones	There was the moonshine. They'd make it all out in the woods with the big stills and things.	6:57
Tunga White	You know how they make moonshine?	6:57
Marva Williams Jones	No, I know they made it out of corn. Some corn and different stuff, but just how they made it, I don't know. And then they had to run it off. They run it off from a still.	7:00
Tunga White	Do you know who you saw running the still?	7:00
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah, some of my mama's friends. Some of they friends. Mom and daddy's friends. My daddy was there, I know. They was all there. They were running, all.	7:00
Tunga White	Were people, then they were selling it?	7:00
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh. Yeah, running. And simply, like I said, that was the big money thing back then. Just like they're out there now selling dope and making a lot. There wasn't a whole lot of money, but there was more money than you was averaging on a job or whatever.	7:00
Tunga White	You said [indistinct 00:12:01] and you were one of them. So you [indistinct 00:12:06].	7:00
Marva Williams Jones	I worked at the hotel, factory.	7:00
Tunga White	When you was a young woman, like around the age [indistinct 00:12:23]?	7:00
Marva Williams Jones	Well, I was working. I was [indistinct 00:12:34] at the hotel, taking [indistinct 00:12:37]. But I don't know. Then when I got on, I worked 15 years at VRW. And it closed down in—I worked there till it closed down in '85. That's where they made material. And [indistinct 00:13:08] made it too. You going back on the left hand side. Building set there was [indistinct 00:13:14].	7:02
Tunga White	Were you working for somebody?	7:02
Marva Williams Jones	The first time [indistinct 00:13:24], uh-huh. Yeah.	7:02
Tunga White	Who was your working for?	7:02
Marva Williams Jones	He was a [indistinct 00:13:29]. My second husband was [indistinct 00:13:36].	7:02
Tunga White	That was in the '80s you were [indistinct 00:13:42].	7:02
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah, '83.	7:02
Tunga White	So how long did you [indistinct 00:13:51]?	7:04
Marva Williams Jones	Around 60 when I [indistinct 00:14:11].	7:04
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:14:15].	7:04
Marva Williams Jones	[indistinct 00:14:17] day was August the 20, '67. And I, very first time I met him. And it was '83 for that other one, the last one.	7:04
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:14:55].	7:04
Marva Williams Jones	No. Neither one. Neither one of them [indistinct 00:15:04]. I had my children [indistinct 00:15:07]. That's what they called it then.	7:04
Tunga White	How long you [indistinct 00:15:13]?	7:04
Marva Williams Jones	[indistinct 00:15:22]. It was during the—8 of '17, somewhere along in that area.	7:04
Tunga White	Did you have a lot of trouble being an [indistinct 00:15:45]?	7:04
Marva Williams Jones	They talked about it. Because with my first child, my mother helped me a lot. I didn't have to get out of bed and do whatever she did, all she could. Because when she died, my oldest child was was two years old.	7:07
Tunga White	And your father was still alive too?	7:30
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. Because he didn't die till that September.	8:06
Tunga White	Oh, that's right. '54.	8:06
Marva Williams Jones	Mm-hmm. Yeah, this [indistinct 00:16:40] 33. [indistinct 00:16:43].	8:33
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:16:55] do you have?	8:40
Marva Williams Jones	I have two girls and one boy. I have four grands. That was my granddaughter, the one that called. I got my oldest one, she's 18. She's in college. Shamika, 16. She's [indistinct 00:17:23]. And then then another boy, 14. He goes to the eighth grade. And then the baby is five. He will go to first grade. I got three grandson and one granddaughter. That's the way it goes. My oldest daughter live in Birmingham.	8:43
Tunga White	What's her name?	17:54
Marva Williams Jones	Glenda Cayden.	17:55
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:18:01]?	17:55
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh.	18:00
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:18:06].	18:00
Marva Williams Jones	Alabama. Yep.	18:05
Tunga White	And the [indistinct 00:18:15].	18:06
Marva Williams Jones	Is a girl. Norma Jean Maiden. She's stationed up in Massachusetts. And the baby is the boy. He lives here [indistinct 00:18:34]. He got two boys and the girl, Shanika.	18:15
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:18:46].	18:23
Marva Williams Jones	The oldest one belongs to the girl [indistinct 00:18:51].	18:23
Tunga White	Okay, [indistinct 00:18:52].	18:23
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah.	18:23
Tunga White	And what [indistinct 00:18:53]?	18:23
Marva Williams Jones	Donald Ray. Donald Ray Lee.	18:53
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:18:59].	18:54
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh.	18:58
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:19:04].	18:58
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh. Yeah. She's married. And the one in service been married, but she's divorced. So Ray and Sharon still hanging in there with they kids.	19:04
Tunga White	Have you ever had a miscarriage?	19:20
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. Uh-huh. I had one miscarriage. And let's see. I believe that miscarriage would have been between [indistinct 00:19:44]. Glenda.	19:20
Tunga White	When you had these children, did you have them all in hospital? Or did you have them in your home? Who helped you [indistinct 00:20:02]?	19:20
Marva Williams Jones	Midwife. Uh-huh, I didn't have them all at home. I had Donald Ray, and Donald Ray didn't weigh but two pounds. He had to stay in the hospital because they keep them there till they weigh five or six pounds.	20:08
Tunga White	How old was he when [indistinct 00:20:20]?	20:19
Marva Williams Jones	Right after he was born. Yep, because he didn't weigh but two pounds. He had to stay in the hospital about a month. [indistinct 00:20:20].	20:19
Tunga White	What hospital [indistinct 00:20:20]?	20:19
Marva Williams Jones	Worth County. They all was born.	20:19
Tunga White	And the other two weren't born in the hospital?	20:19
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah.	20:19
Tunga White	They were [indistinct 00:20:26].	20:19
Marva Williams Jones	I was getting ready to go but I couldn't make it yet.	20:19
Tunga White	Okay. You say you getting ready to go, but you couldn't make it. So, what was—?	20:19
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-uh.	20:19
Tunga White	What happened?	20:19
Marva Williams Jones	The baby was coming.	20:19
Tunga White	Uh-huh. But you didn't have it in the hospital, right?	20:19
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-uh.	20:19
Tunga White	At home?	20:19
Marva Williams Jones	Oh, home, home.	20:25
Tunga White	I thought it was on the way there—	20:25
Marva Williams Jones	Oh, no no no.Yeah, no.	20:25
Tunga White	Who helped you have them?	20:25
Marva Williams Jones	A midwife. I know the lady's name, but I can't think of it. Ooh, [indistinct 00:22:07]. Maybe I think of it before y'all go. No, the lady did.	20:30
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:22:20].	21:07
Marva Williams Jones	Well, they catch the baby, sort of like the doctor. Uh-huh.	21:10
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:21:49].	21:24
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah, and [indistinct 00:21:49] and all of that. They did all that. And I think they had to be taught how to do this and that. But eventually, they soon faded that out. Midwives, [indistinct 00:22:53].	21:24
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:23:11]?	21:24
Marva Williams Jones	At times, they got along pretty good. At times, they did. [indistinct 00:23:38]. But I think it's more racial now than it was back in [indistinct 00:23:47].	21:24
Tunga White	Did your mother or your father ever try to teach you your place? White people [indistinct 00:23:58]?	21:24
Marva Williams Jones	No, Mm-mm. [indistinct 00:24:04]. I didn't have to go through that, because I had a temper. I'd get them straight anyway, after I growed up. Yeah.	21:48
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:24:27].	24:26
Marva Williams Jones	[indistinct 00:24:29] some time [indistinct 00:24:30] tried to [indistinct 00:24:30]. We just [indistinct 00:24:30]. I said, "Hey, look. You want it done? Do it yourself." That's all. I never liked out here in [indistinct 00:24:52]. Don't call me [indistinct 00:24:53].	24:29
Tunga White	You ever tell somebody [indistinct 00:24:56] not to call you one?	24:38
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh.	24:38
Tunga White	And what happened?	24:38
Marva Williams Jones	Nothing. No. [indistinct 00:25:02] that's the way it goes. Because my son, when he was just a little boy, he [indistinct 00:25:13].	25:01
Tunga White	You're kidding.	25:09
Marva Williams Jones	I said, well, I got to [indistinct 00:25:18] nobody come in. If you stand up, right, they going to say you trouble makers anyway. And if y'all going to [indistinct 00:25:34] too. [indistinct 00:25:37].	25:23
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:25:39].	25:25
Marva Williams Jones	I thought [indistinct 00:25:39] might have been the one sent y'all to me.	25:25
Tunga White	Does she live around here?	25:25
Marva Williams Jones	She lives in [indistinct 00:25:46].	25:25
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:25:47].	25:25
Marva Williams Jones	She's in her 70s. But she get by. She still her own lady. Yeah. Still her own lady. [indistinct 00:25:56], she [indistinct 00:25:58].	25:25
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:25:59] her name on, because he was just trying to introduce us to [indistinct 00:26:04]-	25:25
Marva Williams Jones	He, no. Uh-uh, well, y'all ask him. Say, "Where [indistinct 00:26:12]?'	25:25
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:26:17].	25:25
Marva Williams Jones	Oh. [indistinct 00:26:28]. Roosevelt [indistinct 00:26:37]. He's still around.	25:25
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:26:44].	25:25
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh. And there's a James Howell. [indistinct 00:26:54].	25:25
Tunga White	Well, we could all look these up in the phone book?	25:25
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. You might not with Howell because I don't know if he still have his same number. You might. You can check it out.	27:02
Tunga White	But they all know you?	27:05
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh, yeah, we was all in that movie. Now, that [indistinct 00:27:16], he lives, you go back into your right, and turn like you're going up to Holly School. And you turn at the second road and go down, and he lives in a brick house, right side a brick house that don't nobody stay in. Live straight down there.	27:05
Tunga White	What's [indistinct 00:27:36]?	27:33
Marva Williams Jones	Penson.	27:33
Tunga White	Penson?	27:33
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh.	27:33
Tunga White	It's a brick house right by a house that nobody lives in.	27:45
Marva Williams Jones	He stay in a brick house, and then there's another [indistinct 00:27:47] that nobody stays in.	27:46
Tunga White	What kind of car or truck he drive? You know?	27:46
Marva Williams Jones	A truck. I think it's a white truck, and his wife got a—You see that kind of [indistinct 00:28:08] looking [indistinct 00:28:10].	27:55
Tunga White	Okay.	27:57
Marva Williams Jones	And when you go down through the [indistinct 00:28:14], it would be on the right hand side. If you come up, it's the left hand side.	28:12
Tunga White	Know anybody else besides those two?	28:22
Marva Williams Jones	There's Luke Billeton.	28:29
Tunga White	Luke?	28:29
Marva Williams Jones	Mm-hmm. [indistinct 00:28:36]. He in the book, [indistinct 00:28:38]. But it's listed as his wife, Juanita Billet. I know they [indistinct 00:28:47].	28:33
Tunga White	Did you have any questions [indistinct 00:28:56]? They're [indistinct 00:29:01], we heard.	28:38
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah.	28:38
Tunga White	So what got you started in the movies? [indistinct 00:29:07]?	28:38
Marva Williams Jones	Well, I've always been one of those that would stand there [indistinct 00:29:15]. And when they did come home and say it was a big fight on the bus and all like that, and they would come down marching and everything. And I just walked right in [indistinct 00:29:30] going and doing it and working. My husband went to jail. You know how hard they was [indistinct 00:29:39] taking them off to jail and everything. And my daughter, all of them went to jail. This oldest one would go and stay long enough and then get out and go back in school and take a test and [indistinct 00:30:00]. Yeah. And [indistinct 00:30:01], he came down here in [indistinct 00:30:04]. Yeah. And [indistinct 00:30:08] sure enough to know, is all. Yeah, we had people come in here from California, all over [indistinct 00:30:21].	29:07
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:30:21].	30:20
Marva Williams Jones	In the '60s. That was back in the '60s. Well, it was during that time. [indistinct 00:30:46] movement was bigger than ours. But the movement we had, we worked together. [indistinct 00:30:55]. Sherard and all of them would come over and help. We were just working together, one way or the other.	30:20
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:31:03].	31:02
Marva Williams Jones	Well, it's a lot [indistinct 00:31:19]. And then you always going to have some staying back and going to do nothing. But they want it done, but they want somebody else to do [indistinct 00:31:28]. We had people that would give us coffee and give us food or stuff like that, but they didn't want [indistinct 00:31:41]. Stuff like [indistinct 00:31:41] a lot of them were scared because they didn't want to go to jail and all.	31:02
Tunga White	Scared to leave their job?	32:12
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. Uh-huh. [indistinct 00:32:16] to jail. Uh-huh.	32:15
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:32:16]?	32:15
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. We had a guy that [indistinct 00:32:18]. In a march.	32:15
Tunga White	In a march?	32:15
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. But we [indistinct 00:32:31]. We buy groceries. [indistinct 00:32:33] buy groceries, [indistinct 00:32:41].	32:25
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:32:41].	32:31
Marva Williams Jones	Then we'd buy [indistinct 00:32:52]. Uh-huh [indistinct 00:32:57]. 1934.	32:31
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:33:00].	32:31
Marva Williams Jones	January [indistinct 00:33:02].	32:31
Tunga White	That's right [indistinct 00:33:03] 25th.	32:31
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh.	32:31
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:33:07].	32:31
Marva Williams Jones	Car quit [indistinct 00:33:12]. Yeah.	32:31
Tunga White	And you are [indistinct 00:33:27]?	32:31
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah, [indistinct 00:33:29]. Uh-huh. [indistinct 00:33:32].	32:31
Tunga White	His name is what?	32:31
Marva Williams Jones	Jones, Arthur Jones.	32:31
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:33:40].	32:31
Marva Williams Jones	[indistinct 00:33:41].	32:31
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:33:44].	32:31
Marva Williams Jones	Arthur, yeah, Jones. Arthur.	32:31
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:33:49].	32:31
Marva Williams Jones	April the 5th. Hey, Arthur. What year you was born? April the 5th, what?	32:31
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:34:13].	32:31
Marva Williams Jones	What [indistinct 00:34:17]? [indistinct 00:34:20].	32:31
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:34:26].	32:31
Marva Williams Jones	Arthur. Hey, Arthur. Arthur. Come here a minute. Might be somewhere. She want to know some of the jobs you had besides being in the service.	34:50
Arthur Jones	[indistinct 00:35:01].	34:51
Marva Williams Jones	Didn't you work at [indistinct 00:35:09]?	34:51
Arthur Jones	[indistinct 00:35:21].	34:51
Marva Williams Jones	[indistinct 00:35:23], didn't you?	34:51
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:35:42].	34:51
Marva Williams Jones	You from—	34:51
Tunga White	Mississippi.	34:51
Marva Williams Jones	Mississippi. Ain't that where Martin Luther King got shot?	36:03
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:36:06].	36:05
Marva Williams Jones	Yeah. Oh, where that OJ Simpson guy, Lord have mercy. OJ Simpson.	36:05
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:36:19].	36:05
Marva Williams Jones	[indistinct 00:36:19]. I [indistinct 00:36:19] stood up. [indistinct 00:36:19].	36:05
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:36:19].	36:05
Marva Williams Jones	That was my—That's the one [indistinct 00:36:19].	36:05
Tunga White	I got [indistinct 00:36:19].	36:05
Marva Williams Jones	That was Glenda's dad. [indistinct 00:36:19] Glenda and her husband [indistinct 00:36:19]. Yeah. Talk [indistinct 00:36:19], now that's my son. [indistinct 00:36:19].	36:05
Tunga White	Okay.	36:05
Marva Williams Jones	That's the granddaughter. Later, I used to [indistinct 00:37:31] hotel.	36:05
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:37:32].	36:05
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-uh, no.	36:18
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:37:35].	36:18
Marva Williams Jones	[indistinct 00:37:38] grandson. [indistinct 00:37:41]. And that's me and my husband, there. My daughter got [indistinct 00:37:48].	36:18
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:37:48].	36:18
Marva Williams Jones	Georgia. [indistinct 00:37:48]. This his first year.	36:18
Tunga White	Okay.	36:18
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh. He be going back in the fall. That's Shanika, the one that answered the phone [indistinct 00:38:20]. And that's Shanika up there.	37:48
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:38:25].	37:48
Marva Williams Jones	[indistinct 00:38:34].	37:48
Tunga White	Really?	37:48
Marva Williams Jones	She's [indistinct 00:38:37].	37:48
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:38:38].	37:48
Marva Williams Jones	Mm-hmm.	37:48
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:38:41].	37:48
Marva Williams Jones	That was my sister-in-law. Mm-hmm.	37:48
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:39:15] look at all this together. [indistinct 00:39:20].	37:48
Marva Williams Jones	Mm-hmm. That was [indistinct 00:39:30]. Yeah, that's [indistinct 00:39:46], my oldest. These are some of my [indistinct 00:39:53]. That was my sister-in-law. [indistinct 00:39:58].	37:48
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:39:58].	37:48
Marva Williams Jones	Mm-hmm. I think my daughter was [indistinct 00:40:09] that.	37:48
Tunga White	Mm-hmm. Did any of your children go to [indistinct 00:40:16]?	37:48
Marva Williams Jones	Ooh, yeah. They first integrated.	37:48
Tunga White	Really?	37:48
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-huh. Let me take this off. I'll show it to you. She [indistinct 00:40:30].	37:48
Tunga White	Let me take it off.	37:48
Marva Williams Jones	She said, "Mama, I'm the [indistinct 00:40:34] in here." She said, [indistinct 00:40:36]. What? See, that's [indistinct 00:40:55].	37:48
Marva Williams Jones	[indistinct 00:41:27]. That's [indistinct 00:41:39].	37:48
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:42:02].	37:48
Marva Williams Jones	Who's this? [indistinct 00:42:09]. I know [indistinct 00:42:15]. You know who that is [indistinct 00:42:43]?	37:48
Tunga White	Who?	37:48
Marva Williams Jones	[indistinct 00:42:46].	37:48
Tunga White	Yeah.	37:48
Marva Williams Jones	That's [indistinct 00:42:57].	37:48
Tunga White	Okay.	37:48
Marva Williams Jones	I knew [indistinct 00:43:02] that, right after that. It's [indistinct 00:43:04].	37:48
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:43:15].	37:48
Marva Williams Jones	[indistinct 00:43:20].	37:48
Tunga White	Okay.	37:48
Marva Williams Jones	And that [indistinct 00:43:30] granddaughter [indistinct 00:43:32].	37:48
Tunga White	You said, is that Glenda?	37:48
Marva Williams Jones	That's [indistinct 00:43:32]. Oh, that's Glenda.	43:32
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:43:40] okay, okay, okay. And did you [indistinct 00:43:44]?	43:33
Marva Williams Jones	That's him. Right there.	43:33
Tunga White	Okay.	43:33
Marva Williams Jones	He in there [indistinct 00:43:56].	45:54
Tunga White	You [indistinct 00:43:57]?	45:54
Marva Williams Jones	[indistinct 00:44:00].	45:54
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:44:24]. A lot of people [indistinct 00:44:29]?	45:54
Marva Williams Jones	[indistinct 00:44:30].	45:54
Tunga White	Very good. You was working hard, was you?	45:54
Marva Williams Jones	[indistinct 00:44:47].	45:54
Tunga White	That's a lot of money for one person.	45:54
Marva Williams Jones	Mm-hmm.	45:54
Tunga White	How much do y'all [indistinct 00:44:54]?	45:54
Marva Williams Jones	It was $2,000.	45:54
Tunga White	That's good. [indistinct 00:45:54] money yourself.	45:54
Marva Williams Jones	That's what everybody say.	45:54
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:45:54].	45:54
Marva Williams Jones	My niece. That was my [indistinct 00:45:54]. And that was [indistinct 00:45:54].	45:54
Speaker 4	It look like me.	45:54
Marva Williams Jones	I think that's you. Did you see another [indistinct 00:45:54]?	45:54
Tunga White	It's your wedding book?	45:54
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-uh, it's [indistinct 00:45:54]. Because I got [indistinct 00:45:54] another wedding [indistinct 00:45:54].	45:54
Speaker 4	[indistinct 00:45:54]. You don't see that one?	45:54
Marva Williams Jones	Uh-uh, no, [indistinct 00:45:54].	45:54
Tunga White	Where this picture came from? [indistinct 00:45:57].	45:54
Marva Williams Jones	[indistinct 00:46:02]. But the house has been [indistinct 00:46:06].	45:54
Tunga White	[indistinct 00:46:12].	45:54
Marva Williams Jones	[indistinct 00:46:12].	45:54
Tunga White	And how many acres?	45:54
Marva Williams Jones	It's over two acreage. [indistinct 00:46:29].	45:54
Speaker 4	That one [indistinct 00:46:58]—	45:54

Item Info

Title:

Marva Jones interview recording, 1994 June 17

Date:

June 17, 1994

Creator:

Jones, Marva Williams

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Name: Marva Williams Jones; Date of birth: 1934-01-25; Place of birth: Moultrie, GA; Occupation(s): inspector; dishwasher; homemaker; Residence: Sylvester, GA
Informant ID: 793; interviewed by: Tunga White and Sally Graham.

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English

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Behind the Veil

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Behind the Veil: Documenting African American Life in the Jim Crow South interviews, photographs, and project records, circa 1864-2011, bulk 1990-2004

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The David M. Rubenstein Rare Book and Manuscript Library acquired the Records of the Behind the Veil Oral History Project from the Duke University Center for Documentary Studies in 1997, 1998, 2000, and 2002.

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Copyright for content created by the Behind the Veil project is held by Duke University and made available to the public using a Creative Commons Attribution / Non-commercial (CC-BY-NC) license.

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Marva Jones interview recording, 1994 June 17

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Marva Jones interview recording, 1994 June 17

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