Maude Jean-Batiste interview recording, 1994 August 09
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| Kate Ellis | Would you tell me your name and when you were born? | 0:03 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste. The 12th month, 27, '13. | 0:15 |
| Kate Ellis | Question to test, would you tell me where you were born? | 0:22 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I was born in Vermilion Parish, a place they called Bayou Tigre. | 0:28 |
| Kate Ellis | It was called Bayou— | 0:36 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | A branch off from Delcambre. | 0:37 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, okay. I'm wondering, we already started talking before we were tape recording, but I'm wondering if you would tell me some more about your coming up years in Vermilion Parish, what you remember about it. | 0:38 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Oh, I remember that we had to walk to school three miles one way. I remember that. And when we went to school, we didn't know how to speak English, and they didn't want us to talk French. So we got many whippings. We had to walk to church, too. And we had a place, a man used to sell mule and horses. So we'd wear old shoes until we get to that barn, then change our shoes to go to school or to go to church. | 0:59 |
| Kate Ellis | So you'd change your shoes at the barn, where the mule and horses were? | 1:40 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. And we'd leave our old shoes there. | 1:44 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh. | 1:46 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | And pick them up, change our shoes back to walk back home. | 1:48 |
| Kate Ellis | Who was that gentleman? Was he a sort of — Did you talk to him when you'd stop at the barn, and— | 1:53 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. Our parents had made arrangements that we could do that. | 1:59 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh. | 2:03 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | And I done forgot the man's name, but he used to sell animals, mules and horses. I wish I could remember all them things back there, because right now there, sometime I don't remember my name. | 2:04 |
| Kate Ellis | Really? Just kind of goes? (laughs). What it sounds like, just from what you've said, you remember that you'd walk to school. | 2:23 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. | 2:30 |
| Kate Ellis | That it was a long walk. | 2:30 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Three miles one way. | 2:32 |
| Kate Ellis | That's a long walk. | 2:33 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. | 2:34 |
| Kate Ellis | And what did you do when it was raining outside? | 2:37 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Oh, we got wet plenty of times. | 2:39 |
| Kate Ellis | Yeah. | 2:41 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. We didn't get wet going to school. We'd get wet going back home. Because if it was raining, we wouldn't go to school. | 2:43 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, I see. | 2:50 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | We wouldn't go to school on that day, but if you were coming home and it started raining, you'd get wet. | 2:52 |
| Kate Ellis | Yeah. | 3:00 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | And we were glad when it would rain, because when we'd get home, Mama had something good for us. | 3:00 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, really? She'd have something waiting for you when you'd get home? | 3:05 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. Mm—hmm. | 3:08 |
| Kate Ellis | So you'd get home, what would you do? Would you change out of your clothes? | 3:11 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Oh, yes. Mm-hmm. | 3:14 |
| Kate Ellis | Did you have a set of school clothes and a set of play or work clothes? | 3:16 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | We sure did. We sure did. That clothes you wear to go to school, you couldn't wear that in the yard. | 3:21 |
| Kate Ellis | You'd take those off when you get home. | 3:27 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. No. That's right. And Mama made all our clothes. | 3:29 |
| Kate Ellis | Did she? | 3:33 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. All our clothes. | 3:34 |
| Kate Ellis | Where would she get the cloth from, for the clothing? | 3:38 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, there was a store in Delcambre. There was a store in Delcambre that would sell material. | 3:41 |
| Kate Ellis | Is that the store that your parents would take the eggs that they would sell from the chickens? | 3:50 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. | 3:58 |
| Kate Ellis | That was the store? | 3:58 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. Mm-hmm. There wasn't a store for this thing and that thing. It was only one store, you know? You did all your business there. That I remember. | 4:03 |
| Kate Ellis | Do you remember the store owner? | 4:15 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. | 4:16 |
| Kate Ellis | No? | 4:17 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-mm. That done slip away from me. It's so many things I wish I would remember right now. | 4:18 |
| Kate Ellis | Really? | 4:25 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. | 4:25 |
| Kate Ellis | Mm-hmm. | 4:26 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Because you know what? | 4:28 |
| Kate Ellis | What? | 4:29 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I can't tell you the date my mother and father died. My mother used to have a book that when somebody in the family would die, she'd have me to write that in there. I don't know what happened to that book. | 4:30 |
| Kate Ellis | Was it— | 4:44 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I don't remember the date my mother or neither my father died. | 4:47 |
| Kate Ellis | Was it a long time ago that they passed? | 4:52 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | My mother died in '52. | 4:55 |
| Kate Ellis | So you remember the year that they died. | 5:02 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. Mm-hmm. | 5:03 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. | 5:03 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | End of '52. My mother died in '52. My husband got killed in '57, and my father died in '59. | 5:08 |
| Kate Ellis | That was — Wow. | 5:18 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 5:21 |
| Kate Ellis | That was a hard time. Wow. | 5:24 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 5:28 |
| Kate Ellis | And you were saying when your husband died, it was a car accident? | 5:29 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. He was with one of his buddy. | 5:38 |
| Kate Ellis | Did the man die as well? | 5:42 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. He didn't have nothing. He wasn't even hospitalized. | 5:44 |
| Kate Ellis | Wow. Where was this? | 5:52 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Hmm? | 5:54 |
| Kate Ellis | What town was that in, that that happened? | 5:54 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | It happened in between here and St. Martinville. On St. Martinville Highway. Yeah. | 5:56 |
| Kate Ellis | And you had three kids at the time? Three children? | 6:05 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. The oldest one was 15, the middle one was 12, and the baby was six. He hadn't even started school yet. | 6:10 |
| Kate Ellis | Well, let me ask you something. I mean, we're sort of jumping way ahead from your early life, but since we're on the topic, you had said that you were — Were you the first female bus driver in New Iberia? | 6:22 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 6:38 |
| Kate Ellis | Is that— | 6:39 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 6:39 |
| Kate Ellis | Wow. And did you take that job in 1957? | 6:40 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. | 6:42 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. Did you take that job as a result of your husband's death? | 6:45 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes, but I had to apply for the job. It didn't automatically came to me. I had to apply for the job just like everybody else did, and I was accepted. | 6:50 |
| Kate Ellis | Wow. So you applied for the job with Iberia, the Iberia Parish School Board? | 7:03 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. | 7:09 |
| Kate Ellis | They're the ones that hired you? | 7:10 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. | 7:11 |
| Kate Ellis | So what was your first bus route? Who were you— | 7:12 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | It was Geo's Shipyard. I don't know if you know where that is. | 7:15 |
| Kate Ellis | No. What was it called again? | 7:15 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Geo's Shipyard. | 7:15 |
| Kate Ellis | Geo's Shipyard. Where was that? | 7:18 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, all them big things over there on Commercial Canal. | 7:28 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. | 7:36 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Let me see what else else they call it. Geo Shipyard, or the port. | 7:37 |
| Kate Ellis | The port. Okay. So you would pick some— | 7:42 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | But I wasn't living here. | 7:47 |
| Kate Ellis | Where were you living? | 7:48 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I was living out in the country. | 7:49 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. Okay. Well, maybe I should— | 7:50 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I moved here in '59 to take care of my father that was sick. | 7:55 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh. | 7:59 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Because my husband got killed in '57. | 8:01 |
| Kate Ellis | Right. | 8:03 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | So I couldn't take care of my daddy, and having the children out in the country, and have to take them to school and start my bus route out there. But after I moved to town, for two years, I had to go start my bus route out there. | 8:04 |
| Kate Ellis | Wow. So you were commuting to work every day in the school bus? | 8:23 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. | 8:28 |
| Kate Ellis | So what would your day look like when you were living here? What time would you get up in the morning? | 8:28 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Oh, 6:00. 5:30, 6:00. | 8:35 |
| Kate Ellis | And— | 8:35 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I had to be at Geo's Shipyard to start my route at 7:00. It wasn't allowed to pick up any children before 7:00. | 8:41 |
| Kate Ellis | And so would your children get themselves ready for school? Were they able to— | 8:49 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | They had to get on the bus with me. | 8:53 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, so they'd get on the bus with you. | 8:55 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Just like Veronica and them. | 8:57 |
| Kate Ellis | I don't— | 9:00 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | There was no bus passing here to pick up Veronica and them. In order for them to get to school in the bus, they had to get on the bus with me, and go out — We were out in the country. | 9:00 |
| Kate Ellis | And so would you drop them off at school— | 9:11 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 9:12 |
| Kate Ellis | — or would you drop them off at a different bus stop? Okay. | 9:13 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. At the school that they had to go to. | 9:16 |
| Kate Ellis | What school were they going to? | 9:17 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, Veronica and them was going to St. Edward's School. | 9:19 |
| Kate Ellis | But what about your children? What school were your children going to? | 9:23 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, where did they go to? Anderson High? | 9:26 |
| Kate Ellis | Wasn't that in New Iberia? | 9:37 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 9:38 |
| Kate Ellis | I see. So you would get in the bus, and they'd go with you, and you'd drop them off at Anderson High? | 9:39 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I had to go pick them up way out. I had to go pick up my stuff, my bus route way out there first. | 9:44 |
| Kate Ellis | Right. | 9:48 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Then I'd come to town with a full bus of children. | 9:50 |
| Kate Ellis | To take them to Anderson High. | 9:52 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. To a different school. | 9:54 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, to a different school. | 9:55 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. I had 13 schools to go to. | 9:56 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, I see. 13 schools? | 9:56 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 10:03 |
| Kate Ellis | And these are all African American children that you're — I mean, this is their bus? | 10:06 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes, but I picked up everybody. | 10:10 |
| Kate Ellis | What do you mean everybody? White students as well? | 10:14 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. When I moved, when they put me in town, yes. I had to pick up White children too. I had more White children than I had Black. | 10:15 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, that was when you moved to town, they started doing that? | 10:24 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 10:26 |
| Kate Ellis | Before you moved to town— | 10:26 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I had only Black children. | 10:29 |
| Kate Ellis | That you would pick up out in the country and bring them in to schools in the area, in Iberia Parish? | 10:32 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. In different schools. Yes. | 10:39 |
| Kate Ellis | Different schools. So kids young and old. It sounds like they were all different grades. | 10:40 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Then when I was moved to town, I thought it would have been much easier. I had three different routes. | 10:46 |
| Kate Ellis | Three different routes in the morning? | 10:52 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 10:58 |
| Kate Ellis | So you'd pick up one— | 10:58 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I'd pick up the high school children, go deliver them, get back and pick up the grade school children, go deliver them, then I had to pick up the retarded children, and go deliver them. | 10:58 |
| Kate Ellis | So were you responsible for picking up all the — You weren't responsible for picking up all the students in the parish? | 11:12 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. I just had, everybody had their route. | 11:18 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. So this was your— | 11:22 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | This was my route. | 11:24 |
| Kate Ellis | And as you said that when you moved here to this town in 1959, that's when you started having to pick up White students as well? | 11:25 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. | 11:33 |
| Kate Ellis | How did that go in the bus? I mean, how did the kids get along? Was that— | 11:34 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | They got along well. | 11:39 |
| Kate Ellis | Really? | 11:40 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. | 11:40 |
| Kate Ellis | And there wasn't anything about the Black students having to sit in the back of the bus, right? | 11:41 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. No. | 11:45 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. | 11:46 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. I had my children, when they get on the bus, they sit and they can't get up. You can't get up until it's time to get off. | 11:48 |
| Kate Ellis | But they all got along? | 11:54 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. | 11:56 |
| Kate Ellis | And the parents weren't— | 11:56 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I never had any trouble with the parents. No. | 11:58 |
| Kate Ellis | And they were still, of course, going to separate — You dropped them at different schools? | 12:02 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. | 12:06 |
| Kate Ellis | That's interesting. | 12:08 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, the high school, well, the White and Black was going to a high school. They didn't have one high school for — I think they did at the beginning. | 12:11 |
| Kate Ellis | Yeah. I think you did. In the beginning, they were separate. | 12:21 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. Because when they integrated the school, I was in there. | 12:24 |
| Kate Ellis | You were driving the bus? | 12:28 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No, I was not. | 12:29 |
| Kate Ellis | You were in there? | 12:30 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | My son, my youngest son was in that gang from the senior high, going to Henderson up there, and he said, "Mama, I want you to follow us in case somebody would get sick." | 12:31 |
| Kate Ellis | Would get sick? | 12:44 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Or pass out. | 12:47 |
| Kate Ellis | Get sick? | 12:49 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | They'd march. They'd march from the high school, they'd march all the way across town. | 12:49 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh. On the first day that they integrated? | 12:55 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. | 12:58 |
| Kate Ellis | So let me see if I get this straight. The senior high— | 13:00 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | The senior high is only on Admiral Doyle, way down there. | 13:06 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. | 13:09 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | That was the White high school. And the Colored high school was Henderson High on Hopkins Street, down that way. | 13:10 |
| Kate Ellis | So which students marched? | 13:17 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | They all marched. | 13:21 |
| Kate Ellis | They marched to Senior High? | 13:23 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. Most— | 13:24 |
| Kate Ellis | So students from Henderson High. | 13:25 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | The seniors from Senior High marched to Henderson High. | 13:27 |
| Kate Ellis | [indistinct 00:13:32]. | 13:30 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | But when they got to the corner of Admiral Doyle and Hopkins Street, then policemen start throwing tear gas there. That dispersed the crowd. | 13:32 |
| Kate Ellis | The White students from Senior High were marching to Henderson— | 13:44 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No, no, no. It was mostly Black. | 13:49 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, but I thought — Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you had said that they— | 13:52 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. They started from the White high school. | 13:55 |
| Kate Ellis | The Black students did? | 13:57 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 13:58 |
| Kate Ellis | So they showed up at school at the White high school, and then they marched from Henderson? To Henderson? | 13:58 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | They marched from Senior High. They were going to take their school back. | 14:06 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh. I see. So it was sort of a demonstration? | 14:14 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 14:16 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, I see. | 14:17 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | And I was in there. And I wasn't in my bus, but in my car. | 14:18 |
| Kate Ellis | And you were just riding outside the— | 14:21 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. And my child was in there, and he asked me to follow them. | 14:22 |
| Kate Ellis | Wow. | 14:26 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I was a brave woman. | 14:27 |
| Kate Ellis | Yes. Well, sounds like your son was also brave. I mean, wow. | 14:29 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, I'm going to tell you about him. He helped get them stores to hire Black cashiers. They didn't have no Black cashiers at the grocery stores, no stores. They didn't have Black in the bank. They picketed the bank, and they picketed the stores, and got several people that they hire after that. | 14:36 |
| Kate Ellis | And he was one of the people who did that, huh? | 15:06 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. Uh-huh. | 15:12 |
| Kate Ellis | That's great. | 15:15 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | He was young, but I guess he had some good pushes. It wasn't me. | 15:17 |
| Kate Ellis | Wasn't you? | 15:26 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. | 15:26 |
| Kate Ellis | I don't believe that for a moment. | 15:26 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. I told my children, I never had no trouble with my children. I never was called at school from no teacher, no principal, or nothing. If you get in trouble and it's your fault, I'm going to fight tooth and nail for you. But if you get in trouble and it's your fault, you're going to sit it out. So they knew what to do and what not to do. | 15:26 |
| Kate Ellis | Wow. | 15:50 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | My son that was 12 years old when his daddy got killed, he's the one who showed me how to drive the bus, and it wasn't automatic. | 15:51 |
| Kate Ellis | It was one of those standard — He showed you how to drive it? Now, how did he know how to drive? | 15:59 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | He used to follow his daddy. His daddy was a school bus driver. | 16:05 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh. | 16:08 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | And he used to watch, and he used to follow his daddy. | 16:08 |
| Kate Ellis | No kidding. | 16:11 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | And observed what his daddy was doing. | 16:12 |
| Kate Ellis | Did you take over the bus job that your husband had? | 16:13 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I had to apply for the job. | 16:19 |
| Kate Ellis | Right. But I mean, he died. | 16:21 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | He got killed. | 16:24 |
| Kate Ellis | He got killed. A position opened up then. His bus driving position opened up, and you applied for it, and you learned how to drive from your son. | 16:25 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | And they gave me two weeks to get the bus in shape, and myself to learn how to drive. | 16:36 |
| Kate Ellis | Wow. But did you have the same bus route that your husband had? | 16:43 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. | 16:48 |
| Kate Ellis | Wow. That's incredible. | 16:48 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 16:48 |
| Kate Ellis | That's so [indistinct 00:16:49]. | 16:48 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | And I had never rode in a bus. | 16:48 |
| Kate Ellis | That's amazing. | 16:48 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | God was with us. | 16:58 |
| Kate Ellis | Yeah. | 17:03 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | And I had some good White folks with me too. | 17:03 |
| Kate Ellis | Did you? Tell me about that. | 17:03 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, there was a man who was selling cars, and trucks, and the bus all came from him. And he knew the people that was on the school board, because one of his brothers went to Baton Rouge for me to get the job. | 17:08 |
| Kate Ellis | You mean, he went up to Baton Rouge? | 17:27 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. He drove to Baton Rouge. Mm-hmm. | 17:28 |
| Kate Ellis | And said — Well, tell me. | 17:32 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | He told them what had happened, and he was out there to see about the job for me. And I was accepted. | 17:35 |
| Kate Ellis | Wow. | 17:44 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | They didn't know me, and I didn't know them. | 17:45 |
| Kate Ellis | So they didn't meet you? | 17:50 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No, but they just went on this White man's word here, because he knew me well, and he knew my husband well, you know? Because that's when my brother was a farmer, and he bought his trucks there. He bought his car there and everything. | 17:52 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh. | 18:07 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | And believe me or not, he had his right arm cut off right here. | 18:10 |
| Kate Ellis | The White man did? | 18:14 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No, my husband. | 18:16 |
| Kate Ellis | You're kidding me. | 18:18 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No I'm not. | 18:19 |
| Kate Ellis | He had half an arm? | 18:20 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Right here. | 18:22 |
| Kate Ellis | And he drove the bus? | 18:23 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | He drove anything he wanted to drive. | 18:24 |
| Kate Ellis | And you told me that it wasn't an automatic. | 18:27 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | That's right. | 18:29 |
| Kate Ellis | So he needed — How did he do that? Is that right? | 18:29 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. | 18:34 |
| Kate Ellis | But how would he do that and steer the bus? | 18:35 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Ah, he had a little knob he'd put on the wheel. | 18:37 |
| Kate Ellis | That his arm sort of would— | 18:41 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. But they gave him an artificial arm. He didn't want to use that. It wasn't an arm. It was a hook. And he didn't want to use that. | 18:44 |
| Kate Ellis | He didn't want to use a hook? | 18:52 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-mm. | 18:55 |
| Kate Ellis | How did he lose his arm, or half his arm? | 18:56 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Working on a defense job during the time of the war. | 18:59 |
| Kate Ellis | He was actually in the Army? | 19:04 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. | 19:06 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, okay. It was a defense job. | 19:07 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | A defense job. Yeah. And you know how much money he got for that? | 19:09 |
| Kate Ellis | How much? | 19:13 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | $4,000. | 19:13 |
| Kate Ellis | For losing his arm? | 19:15 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 19:16 |
| Kate Ellis | That's incredible. | 19:21 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | And losing the right arm, too. | 19:23 |
| Kate Ellis | Which was the arm that he wrote with, or did he write? Did your husband write? | 19:25 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Oh, no. No, no. | 19:31 |
| Kate Ellis | Wow. But he used his right arm. | 19:32 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | If he had to sign his name, he could sign his name, but he had to — I don't know how you did it. He even fixed fence with that one arm. | 19:35 |
| Kate Ellis | I'm just amazed he only got $4,000. What kind of defense job was it? What was he doing? | 19:48 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I don't know. It was on the grating machine or something. He got on the machine too greasy, and he slipped, and that grind his arm up. It didn't just cut it off, it grind it up. I done suffered some hard consequences, and I'm still here at 80, so I must be made out of good material. | 19:55 |
| Kate Ellis | I think so. I think so. | 20:28 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I got five different kind of medicine on my refrigerator. | 20:32 |
| Kate Ellis | Really? That you have to take every day? | 20:36 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. | 20:37 |
| Kate Ellis | For your sugar, and your heart, and— | 20:37 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Arthritis. I got two for my heart. One for arthritis, diabetes, high blood pressure. | 20:43 |
| Kate Ellis | Can we go back to — I'm interested, again, in hearing more about your childhood, and hearing about what your parents did when you were coming up. How many brothers and sisters did you have? | 20:58 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I had just five brothers. | 21:14 |
| Kate Ellis | You had five brothers? | 21:17 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. | 21:18 |
| Kate Ellis | Were you the only girl? | 21:19 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Hmm? | 21:20 |
| Kate Ellis | You were the only girl? | 21:20 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I had a sister, but she died at the age of 16. | 21:21 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh. How did she die? | 21:26 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | From tonsil trouble. She wouldn't tell nobody her throat was sore. When she decided to tell, her throat was so — They operated on her, but her throat had never healed. It was too sore. | 21:27 |
| Kate Ellis | So they did operate on her? | 21:43 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 21:45 |
| Kate Ellis | Where did she get medical care from? | 21:46 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | It was from here in New Iberia. | 21:49 |
| Kate Ellis | From the general hospital? | 21:51 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. I done forgot the name of the — No, it wasn't a hospital at that time. It was a doctor that operated on her, in his office. I remember now. | 21:53 |
| Kate Ellis | A White doctor? | 22:06 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. | 22:06 |
| Kate Ellis | He was Black? | 22:06 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | He was Black. One of the first Black doctor that came to New Iberia. I think his name was Dorsey. | 22:07 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, Dr. Dorsey. Okay. Wow. | 22:14 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | See, we didn't need to talk about that two or three weeks ago, so I could remember. | 22:22 |
| Kate Ellis | You mean so I could have had you thinking about this stuff? No, but it sounds, I mean, it sounds like you remember more than you're giving yourself credit for remembering. So she went to Dr. Dorsey, and it didn't heal. | 22:27 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. He operated on her, but her throat was too sore. | 22:40 |
| Kate Ellis | As you were coming up, were you able to get adequate healthcare for — Was your family— | 22:45 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. We had a doctor in Delcambre. But operations and things like that, he didn't do that. So he would refer you to somebody else. | 22:54 |
| Kate Ellis | So he referred your sister to Dr. Dorsey in New Iberia? | 23:06 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. Yeah. | 23:09 |
| Kate Ellis | I see. But you did have a Black doctor in Delcambre. | 23:12 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. Mm-hmm. | 23:15 |
| Kate Ellis | And he'd come by, or he'd make house calls? | 23:16 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Huh? | 23:19 |
| Kate Ellis | If you were sick, would he come by the house and make house calls? | 23:19 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. Dr. Landry was making the house call. See, if you needed to be operated on, Dr. Landry wouldn't operate on you. He'd refer you to another doctor. | 23:23 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. But that doctor's name was Dr. Landry? | 23:36 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. | 23:39 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. A doctor in Delcambre. Wow. So you had, you said, five brothers, and then you had mentioned that you lived — Your family had a little bit of land. | 23:44 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 23:55 |
| Kate Ellis | Is that right? That you had a house on? | 23:55 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. We had a little house. Yeah. It wasn't like we are today, but we had a little house to live in. | 23:58 |
| Kate Ellis | What was the house like? | 24:08 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | It was just a one-shoot house. Everything was in the front, and then you had a kitchen. It wasn't private at all. | 24:11 |
| Kate Ellis | You mean, as far as— | 24:24 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Because we didn't have no bathroom. We had to go outdoors. | 24:25 |
| Kate Ellis | Was there a privy? Was there a privy outside? Was there— | 24:29 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | They used to call it a toilet. | 24:33 |
| Kate Ellis | A toilet. Okay. So there was that outside? | 24:35 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. And you'd use a bathtub to take a bath. | 24:37 |
| Kate Ellis | Was the bathtub inside? | 24:42 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Not a bathtub. Not a bathtub. A washtub. | 24:43 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. | 24:45 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | A wash— | 24:45 |
| Kate Ellis | Which was outside the house? | 24:45 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. You'd leave it outside until you're getting ready to take a bath. Then you had to heat your own water. You had to— | 24:48 |
| Kate Ellis | Where did you get the water from? | 24:54 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | A pump. | 24:56 |
| Kate Ellis | You had a pump? | 24:57 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. | 24:58 |
| Kate Ellis | I could see from your arm, probably a lot of pumping in your lifetime. | 24:59 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. | 25:06 |
| Kate Ellis | Huh. | 25:06 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I know plenty of thing about a hard time. | 25:08 |
| Kate Ellis | Tell me what else you know about it. | 25:15 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | That's not enough? | 25:15 |
| Kate Ellis | I want to hear more. | 25:16 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, we grew our own corn. From the corn, they'd bring the corn to the mill. He'd grind the corn, he'd make cornmeal. And then they had another thing would come out there, was grits. And your cornmeal was for supper, and your grits was for dinner. And they had no meat market. | 25:19 |
| Kate Ellis | Really? | 25:48 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. | 25:49 |
| Kate Ellis | So there was no meat around here? | 25:49 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. They would get a group together, and every Saturday, one would kill a bull, or cow, or something, and then they would divide this meat that would last them the week. | 25:51 |
| Kate Ellis | I see. | 26:10 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Because they had no refrigerator to keep the meat. | 26:10 |
| Kate Ellis | So this was, did you call out a boucherie? | 26:17 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. | 26:18 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. | 26:18 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah, there was a boucherie. | 26:18 |
| Kate Ellis | Let me ask you something about that. As far as dividing the meat, do you remember, how was it decided who would get what meat? | 26:24 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. I really don't know. I guess I was too young for that. | 26:35 |
| Kate Ellis | Yeah. To see how they would divide it up? | 26:36 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. But I know every week, somebody had to go get our share. | 26:42 |
| Kate Ellis | Somebody from your family? | 26:45 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 26:46 |
| Kate Ellis | Where would you go? To the [indistinct 00:26:49]? | 26:47 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, they had a country store, that they would kill those — That's where they would kill them at. | 26:48 |
| Kate Ellis | Is that the same country store where you did your shopping? Is that the country store in Delcambre? | 26:54 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. That was one in the country. Yes. That's not the one in town of Delcambre. | 27:02 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, okay. This was a little other store? | 27:04 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. Uh-huh. In the country. It wasn't too very far from our house. | 27:07 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, okay. | 27:12 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. And they had a slaughterhouse [indistinct 00:27:17], when they used to bring the cattles and kill them. | 27:13 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. And so — Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. | 27:19 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | And mostly everybody in the country raised pig. And when they would kill the pigs, they would send their friend a roast. So when everybody would kill a hog, they owed somebody a piece. So they were sure to send that person a piece of their pig. They didn't have no refrigerator or freezer. What they would do do was salted the meat down, and put it in a crocker, and cover that crocker, and that meat would keep in there. | 27:24 |
| Kate Ellis | I see. | 28:03 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Or they'd strip it, cut it in strips, seasoned it well, and dry it on the line. And they'd call that tasseau. | 28:04 |
| Kate Ellis | Tasseau. | 28:11 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | They would do that with pig and beef, and they would also make fresh sausage and dry them on the line. When those sausage would be dry from being on the line, they would take them in at night and put them back on the next day, when they'd be dry enough, they'd put them in a sack, and tie them up, and hang them up somewhere. | 28:15 |
| Kate Ellis | Well, do you know how many families would be included in the boucherie? I mean, this is something it sounds like— | 28:41 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No, I really don't know. No, I really don't know. | 28:49 |
| Kate Ellis | But do you think, was it a — How are we doing on time? | 28:53 |
| Speaker 1 | [indistinct 00:28:59]. | 28:57 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. They're going to give commodities until 3:00. | 28:59 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. Do you think it was pretty much the same families every week, though, that [indistinct 00:29:11] sharing? | 29:06 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, it was the same group. | 29:11 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. | 29:14 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | It was the same group of— | 29:14 |
| Kate Ellis | So there was a group of people. | 29:15 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. Mm-hmm. | 29:15 |
| Kate Ellis | And so every week, a different person— | 29:16 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | And everybody knew everybody. | 29:18 |
| Kate Ellis | I bet they did. And everybody knew whose turn it was next to kill— | 29:22 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. | 29:25 |
| Kate Ellis | — the hog, or the cow. | 29:26 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. They knew how their name came down, how their name would fall. | 29:28 |
| Kate Ellis | That's interesting. I mean, that sounds like a fairly well thought out system as far as who was next, and who got what. Is that right? That [indistinct 00:29:49]. | 29:32 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Somebody's driving into the driveway. | 29:49 |
| Kate Ellis | Do you have a visitor? | 29:50 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. It's in my driveway. | 29:51 |
| Kate Ellis | [indistinct 00:29:56]. | 29:52 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | And this year, my daughter's not coming, so I'm not canning this year. I'm just going to put it in the freezer. | 29:57 |
| Kate Ellis | What, the okra? | 30:01 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. | 30:02 |
| Kate Ellis | But now you'll can these pears that came in? | 30:03 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 30:07 |
| Kate Ellis | Wow. | 30:08 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I don't know no other way to put pears, but to can them. | 30:09 |
| Kate Ellis | Yeah. | 30:12 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | That's how I came up doing it. | 30:12 |
| Kate Ellis | Is canning the pears? | 30:14 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. Yeah. We used to can pears. We used to can figs. We never had too much peaches, though. | 30:16 |
| Kate Ellis | Huh. I wonder why. There just weren't a lot around? | 30:25 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | There wasn't too many peach trees. | 30:30 |
| Kate Ellis | There's something you had said— | 30:37 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Did that make sense, what I said? | 30:38 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, you mean with the boucherie? | 30:40 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | With everything. That makes— | 30:41 |
| Kate Ellis | Yes. Everything. | 30:44 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Oh, okay. | 30:45 |
| Kate Ellis | Absolutely. Oh, yeah. This is very educational. | 30:46 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | If I'd have found your number, I'd have called you back and tell you, "Don't come." | 30:50 |
| Kate Ellis | Really? Well, I'm glad I just showed up. | 30:53 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | But I couldn't find your number. I don't know where I put it. | 30:57 |
| Kate Ellis | All right. Well, can I ask you a few more things? | 31:02 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. | 31:03 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. Oh, I know what I wanted to ask you. You have these families who participated in the boucherie, and who all knew each other. Did they share other things as well? | 31:03 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. Not that I know of. It was just the meat. | 31:20 |
| Kate Ellis | It was the meat? | 31:23 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 31:23 |
| Kate Ellis | And it was a weekly thing? | 31:24 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. And everybody grew their own vegetables. | 31:25 |
| Kate Ellis | For their own families? | 31:28 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 31:29 |
| Kate Ellis | So will you tell me a bit more about the community that you came up in? You said it was country. There was a church and a school. How far away was the church from where you lived? | 31:30 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, it was about the same distance of the school. Three miles. | 31:43 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, okay. Was the church right by the school? | 31:49 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Not too far apart. | 31:51 |
| Kate Ellis | I see. | 31:52 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. | 31:52 |
| Kate Ellis | And it was a Catholic church? | 31:53 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 31:54 |
| Kate Ellis | And you had mentioned earlier that it was segregated, that you would— | 31:56 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. Mm-hmm. | 32:02 |
| Kate Ellis | Will you tell me a bit more about that? You would sit in the back of the church, or— | 32:08 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Not necessarily in the back, but we had a portion that was divided for us. It was still back of the White folks, and they had the confession box in between us and them, so I guess we couldn't touch one other. | 32:08 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, god. Right. Couldn't breathe on one another. | 32:23 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. Well, it was something like the bus and the train. A long time ago, you had to sit there. You had to sit in the back, whether you wanted to or not. Not only the bus, on the train, too. Because when I came to school here in New Iberia, my mom and them didn't have the transportation to come get me and bring me back, so I had to ride the train or the bus. And I'm sure I had to sit back there. | 32:28 |
| Kate Ellis | Right. Now, when you came to school here, what school did you come to? | 32:57 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | St. Edward. | 33:06 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, okay. So you attended St. Edward's? | 33:08 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 33:13 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, all right. | 33:13 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | One year. | 33:13 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. That was high school? | 33:13 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. That was in seventh grade. | 33:16 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. All right. | 33:18 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | And I attended eighth school in Port Arthur. | 33:22 |
| Kate Ellis | Eighth grade, to Port Arthur? | 33:27 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. Lincoln Public high. | 33:29 |
| Kate Ellis | Now, why did you go to Port Arthur? | 33:32 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | That's who wanted me. I was living with family. | 33:38 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, I see. So you had an aunt or an uncle or something like that in Port Arthur? | 33:43 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I was what? | 33:50 |
| Kate Ellis | When you said you were living with family in Port Arthur, were they your aunts and uncles or something? | 33:51 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. | 33:57 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. And they sent for you to come stay there? | 33:57 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | They came and got me. | 34:00 |
| Kate Ellis | They came and got you. How long were you there for? | 34:01 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | One year. | 34:05 |
| Kate Ellis | Do you know why they came to get you? | 34:07 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, I guess it was there was no other way for me to attend school. | 34:11 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh. Well, let me ask you this then. Did the school that you attended out in the country, that you walked to, did that just go to sixth grade? | 34:18 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. | 34:28 |
| Kate Ellis | I see. So you spent seventh grade at St. Edward's. | 34:29 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. | 34:32 |
| Kate Ellis | How did you get to school every day at St. Edward's? | 34:33 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I was living with my auntie. | 34:35 |
| Kate Ellis | And she lived in New Iberia? | 34:37 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. Uh-huh. | 34:38 |
| Kate Ellis | I see. | 34:39 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | And she had children attending school, too. | 34:41 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. So you all went to school together? | 34:44 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. | 34:46 |
| Kate Ellis | And why didn't you go there the following year to St. Edward's? | 34:48 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, my auntie from Port Arthur wanted me. | 34:52 |
| Kate Ellis | I see. So they came and got you. | 34:55 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 34:59 |
| Kate Ellis | Did they have a car? | 34:59 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 35:00 |
| Kate Ellis | How did they come get you? | 35:01 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | They had a car. | 35:01 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. | 35:02 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | And my uncle was working for the Gulf Refining Company. | 35:04 |
| Kate Ellis | The Gulf Refining Company? | 35:08 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. Out of Port Arthur. | 35:10 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, like the gulf. Oh, like oil? | 35:14 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. | 35:21 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. I see. And then what happened after eighth grade? | 35:22 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | They pulled me out of school to teach. | 35:24 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. So that's when they pulled you out? | 35:26 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 35:28 |
| Kate Ellis | Now, will you tell me about that? Who pulled you out of out of school to teach? | 35:29 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | The priest. | 35:35 |
| Kate Ellis | The priest of what school? | 35:36 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | The priest of [indistinct 00:35:40]. | 35:38 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. | 35:40 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Let me see what his name was. Castell? Father Castell, I think his name was. | 35:43 |
| Kate Ellis | Father Castell? | 35:48 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. | 35:48 |
| Kate Ellis | And he knew that you were a bright student? | 35:51 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I guess he did. I don't know. | 35:55 |
| Kate Ellis | Well, because what did he do? Did he go to your parents and say— | 35:57 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 36:01 |
| Kate Ellis | — "I'd like your daughter, I'd like Maude to come and teach"? | 36:02 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, I don't know how the whole procedure went. | 36:05 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. | 36:08 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | But I do know I was pulled out of school to teach in that private school. And I had to teach prayers and catechism too. | 36:08 |
| Kate Ellis | Which school did you teach in? In the Catholic— | 36:16 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | St. Joseph. | 36:21 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh. Taught in St. Joseph, which was in Delcambre? | 36:22 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 36:31 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. So you taught the prayers and catechism, and what else did you— | 36:32 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | From first to sixth. | 36:38 |
| Kate Ellis | Were you the only teacher? | 36:40 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. | 36:44 |
| Kate Ellis | Wow. | 36:44 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yes. And you know what they did me one year? I taught those children their prayers and catechism in French, and before they made their First Communion, I had to teach them all that back in English. | 36:46 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, you're kidding. | 36:56 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. | 36:57 |
| Kate Ellis | So you taught them in French first, and then in English? | 36:58 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, just that one time. I used to have two different classes. A French class and an English class. | 37:02 |
| Kate Ellis | For the same students, or for different students? | 37:09 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. For different students. | 37:12 |
| Kate Ellis | So one group of students you'd teach in English, and one group of students you'd teach in French? | 37:13 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. It all depend how they had beginning their learning, you know? | 37:18 |
| Kate Ellis | Wow. | 37:22 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | And I got to teaching French catechism, because I had brothers, and my mama didn't want to pay to send all of them to catechism. So she brought me to a lady could teach me my catechism in French, so I could teach the others. | 37:22 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. Wow. Huh. And so then, I remember you had said this earlier, that you taught for three years? | 37:41 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. Two. | 37:57 |
| Kate Ellis | Two years. | 37:58 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. | 37:58 |
| Kate Ellis | And then they hired somebody who had a diploma? | 38:00 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. They got somebody out of Port Arthur. | 38:03 |
| Kate Ellis | So then what happened to you? What did you do after you taught, then? | 38:06 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I didn't do nothing until I got married. | 38:11 |
| Kate Ellis | You lived at home, and did you help in the fields? And then when you say you didn't do anything— | 38:13 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, yes. I done plant sugar cane. I done cut sugar cane. I done picked cotton. I done dug sweet potatoes. I done hoed. The only thing I couldn't do was plow. I couldn't hold a plow up, but I tried. | 38:19 |
| Kate Ellis | Wow. | 38:32 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | But I try. | 38:37 |
| Kate Ellis | When you were coming up, I remember you'd mentioned that your parents were sharecroppers. | 38:38 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 38:43 |
| Kate Ellis | Because their farm wasn't large enough— | 38:43 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | That's right. | 38:45 |
| Kate Ellis | — to fully support the family. Did you help them in the fields during harvest season? | 38:45 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Sure. Sure. I did everything but plow. | 38:50 |
| Kate Ellis | Yeah. When you were a little girl, coming up? | 38:54 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | We all had to work. | 38:58 |
| Kate Ellis | All your brothers and sisters? | 39:00 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. No, my sister was dead. | 39:01 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, okay. | 39:03 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, she was— | 39:04 |
| Kate Ellis | She was an older sister? | 39:06 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No, she was younger than me. | 39:07 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. So let me just ask, as far as what your years were like when you were young, would you start school right after harvest season? I mean, did you go to school year round, or did it sort of depend on the crops? | 39:08 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. We went to school just the same amount of months and the same time that the White children went to school. And us, we had to buy our books. We had to buy our books, because it was a private school. So after one or two years, they started giving us books from the White, but they were used books, but we didn't have to buy them. | 39:32 |
| Kate Ellis | Wow. What were your teachers like? | 40:00 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Huh? | 40:06 |
| Kate Ellis | What were your teachers like in your school, in your country school? Who were your teachers in this private school? | 40:06 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, they had some came from out of town. One of them was my auntie, and she was kind of rough. | 40:16 |
| Kate Ellis | She was rough? | 40:24 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. She was rough. She wanted us to learn faster than what we did. And some of them teachers, I don't really know where they were from. I really don't, because we wasn't allowed to ask question. | 40:27 |
| Kate Ellis | Really? | 40:44 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. We wasn't allowed to ask question. Because if people were talking, you had better get out of the way. You wasn't supposed to hear what they were talking about. | 40:46 |
| Kate Ellis | What do you mean, if you weren't supposed to have any — You mean when you said that you had to get out of the way— | 40:58 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, you wasn't supposed to hear their conversation. | 41:07 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, I see. | 41:13 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | So if you can't hear, you can't butt in, either. All right. | 41:13 |
| Kate Ellis | So you didn't ask questions? | 41:21 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No, we had better not. Yeah. | 41:22 |
| Kate Ellis | Why was that? | 41:29 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Hmm? | 41:29 |
| Kate Ellis | Why? Why? | 41:31 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Tough people. | 41:32 |
| Kate Ellis | Tough people. | 41:34 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | You wasn't even allowed to question your own parents. If you had something you didn't know, you had better bounce out of it. | 41:40 |
| Kate Ellis | Really? | 41:49 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 41:51 |
| Kate Ellis | So I know you're looking at your watch, so we can wrap this up soon. Can I ask you a few more questions about your — You had just talked about, before, again, we started talking on tape, about life in the country. And it doesn't sound like you particularly liked — I mean, it sounds like it was a hard life. | 41:55 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | It was. It was. If you wanted to poo-poo at night, you poo-poo in the slop jar, and you cover it up. Now, if somebody else want to pee-pee after you, you're smelling that. | 42:24 |
| Kate Ellis | Yeah. | 42:37 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No, it wasn't easy. Like I told you, and you didn't have no bathtub. You used a washtub to take a bath, and you had to warm the water in tea kettles. | 42:41 |
| Kate Ellis | Wow. | 42:55 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-hmm. Boy, it's different now. I feel rich now. | 42:56 |
| Kate Ellis | Do you? Yeah. Huh. You'd also mentioned, you said that it — And I wonder if you would just talk about this a little bit more. Living out in the rural area, it felt like a prison to you, because you had no place to go. What do you mean? Can you tell me more about that? What was that like? Did you feel like you wanted to be able to go somewhere, or— | 43:01 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Not at that time, no. You were satisfied with what you had. You couldn't dispute nothing. Wouldn't have helped anyway. Now, sometimes the family wanted to go visit, you'd hitch up the wagon. Had too many for the buggy, you'd hitch up the wagon. And more often the buggy was broken than fixed. | 43:27 |
| Kate Ellis | Really? So is it just in looking back that you feel that it was like a prison? I mean, when you described it that way earlier— | 43:53 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | At that time, it was all right, because we didn't know other way. | 44:06 |
| Kate Ellis | Yeah. | 44:09 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | We didn't know other way. | 44:10 |
| Kate Ellis | So I guess what I'm saying is, what made you describe it that way to me? | 44:13 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | I just got a little bit more sense now. | 44:22 |
| Kate Ellis | I see. | 44:23 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | But at that time, everything was all right. | 44:27 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. | 44:41 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Everything was all right at that time. | 44:41 |
| Kate Ellis | I see. | 44:41 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | And so far as recreation, we didn't have any. We didn't have any. | 44:42 |
| Kate Ellis | Did you have many neighbors around you? | 44:46 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. They were far apart. Yeah. You had relatives living, but not too close. It was a family country. | 44:51 |
| Kate Ellis | It was a family country? What do you mean by that? | 45:02 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Well, it was only family living around there. Yeah. | 45:09 |
| Kate Ellis | Did you have much interaction with White folks at that time? | 45:15 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. | 45:18 |
| Kate Ellis | No? | 45:18 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Mm-mm. Not us, because we had to walk, and they were riding. No. Nobody would bother. We wouldn't bother nobody, and they wouldn't bother us. | 45:20 |
| Kate Ellis | They wouldn't? | 45:36 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. | 45:36 |
| Kate Ellis | So there was no — I've heard of different communities where there were groups, like there was a group called the regulators. | 45:37 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No, we didn't have no groups. | 45:46 |
| Kate Ellis | Yeah. | 45:47 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | No. We didn't have no such thing as groups. No. | 45:48 |
| Kate Ellis | Like groups of White folks or whatever? | 45:53 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | They were them, and we were us. | 45:55 |
| Kate Ellis | And they were pretty separate? | 45:59 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | Yeah. | 46:00 |
| Kate Ellis | I see. So then after you had your school job, and then you went back to helping your family work in the fields and cut sugar, and then you got married? How did you meet your husband? | 46:00 |
| Maude Broussard Jean Baptiste | When I was at St. Edward, he had a sister going to St. Edward, too. And one day her friend wanted to go see her, and me and then my friend happened to be there. So they took us for the ride, and that's how I met my husband. | 46:22 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, wow. | 46:43 |
| Kate Ellis | You said that he didn't have a car, so you were courting by writing. So did he live in New Iberia? Where did he live? | 0:01 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | He was living at the Spanish Lake. | 0:08 |
| Kate Ellis | The Spanish Lake? He was living by the Spanish Lake and you were living near Delcambre? | 0:11 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | By UTIG. | 0:22 |
| Kate Ellis | By UTIG. Okay. So you'd correspond with each other. How long did you correspond with each other? | 0:24 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Oh, yes. So I don't remember the exact time. But when he would get a ride, he would come. There was a White boy used to take him by the house, but he couldn't take him anytime he wanted to come. This White boy was his neighbor and they had a car. | 0:30 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh. And they were friends? | 0:51 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. | 0:52 |
| Kate Ellis | A White boy? Huh? What did you think of the White boy? Was he a nice guy? I mean. | 0:54 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | I wish I could meet him now. | 0:57 |
| Kate Ellis | Really? | 0:59 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. To tell him I appreciated that. | 1:00 |
| Kate Ellis | Wow. So what would the White boy do while you and your husband were visiting? | 1:03 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | He'd go take a ride somewhere. | 1:09 |
| Kate Ellis | I see. So he drop your husband down and then— | 1:11 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. He'd go ride around somewhere. | 1:12 |
| Kate Ellis | And then come back. | 1:15 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | I never knew where he went. | 1:15 |
| Kate Ellis | Really? | 1:17 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | But he would drop him home and he'd— | 1:17 |
| Kate Ellis | Did he ever come in the house or would he just drop him off? And. | 1:19 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | I don't remember if he ever came in the house. I don't even remember how I met him. I guess I met him through my husband coming home and they used to call him Booze Gundrum. | 1:23 |
| Kate Ellis | They used to do what? | 1:38 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Call him Booze. | 1:39 |
| Kate Ellis | This guy? Booze? | 1:40 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | And his last name was Gundrum. | 1:43 |
| Kate Ellis | Gundrum. That sounds like an unusual name. Huh. Wow. And so where did your husband and you live once you got married? | 1:47 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Back at Spanish Lake. I forgot how they call that other place. We were living in the country. | 2:01 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. And what did he do while you— | 2:06 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | What did he do for a living? Working at 50 cents a day, working in the field. | 2:09 |
| Kate Ellis | Wow. | 2:15 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | 50 cents a day. | 2:18 |
| Kate Ellis | In the fields. Cutting cane? | 2:22 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Anything they had to do in the field. | 2:24 |
| Kate Ellis | I see. So what changed that he finally became— Well, let's see. He worked in the field around the time that you were married. And then what did he do after that? | 2:26 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | He worked at [indistinct 00:02:47] Factory. After he got tired of living in the country and working for 50 cents a day, we moved to St. Martinville and he worked at [indistinct 00:02:58] Factory. | 2:44 |
| Kate Ellis | I see. So did you all move to St. Martinville at that point? | 2:59 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. | 3:05 |
| Kate Ellis | I see. | 3:05 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | It was just me and him. | 3:07 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. So you didn't have any kids at that? | 3:09 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | No. | 3:10 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. And so what kind of factory was that? | 3:11 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Well, they did vegetable and during the weather they did sugar cane. | 3:15 |
| Kate Ellis | Did you work during that period of time? | 3:20 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | No. | 3:22 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, sorry. So he'd go and work there. And so from there, where did you go? | 3:23 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Well, where did we go from there? That's when he went on a defense job and got his own cut off. | 3:31 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. And then where was the defense job located? | 3:37 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | In Lake Charles. | 3:45 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. So you moved around a little bit. | 3:46 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | I didn't go with him. | 3:51 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh. | 3:53 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Not me. I didn't go with him when he went. | 3:53 |
| Kate Ellis | You stayed in St. Martinville? | 3:55 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. | 3:56 |
| Kate Ellis | Did you have children at that time? | 3:58 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. | 4:00 |
| Kate Ellis | So you stayed? | 4:01 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | I had one and I had lost one. | 4:02 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh. | 4:04 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | I lost my first one. | 4:04 |
| Kate Ellis | When it was an infant? | 4:09 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. | 4:11 |
| Kate Ellis | Wow. | 4:15 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yvonne did. The first one. Vonne did. | 4:15 |
| Kate Ellis | So it sounds like from the defense job then, he must have taken a while to recover from that accident. | 4:28 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yes. And his lawyer he had, that's the one that told him about a place out in the country. We bought a farm out in the country with that money from his arm. | 4:36 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh. | 4:48 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | We bought a farm out in the country and we lived there until he got killed. | 4:48 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, I see. And so was it a productive farm and is that how you supported yourselves? | 4:53 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. | 5:02 |
| Kate Ellis | From the farm, from raising crops and selling them. And then, but your husband also drove a bus at that time, too? | 5:03 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yes. | 5:10 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. Which part of the country, what town was that in? Where the farm was that you bought? | 5:11 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | By UTIG. | 5:20 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. So you went back to that same, okay. | 5:21 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | By UTIG. | 5:25 |
| Kate Ellis | And so at that point you had— | 5:27 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | — No, no, that's not true. It was the port. Joe's Shipyard. It was around Joe's Shipyard where we bought the farm. | 5:29 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, okay. By there. Okay. | 5:36 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | I was raised by UTIG. I'm getting crossed. I raised by UTIG, but we bought the farm at the port. | 5:40 |
| Kate Ellis | I see. | 5:48 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Because before he died, when he got killed, we had to sell a portion of our land for them to dig that commercial canal. | 5:49 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, so you had to sell them? | 6:02 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. | 6:03 |
| Kate Ellis | I see. Huh. Boy. So you've really had to struggle sometimes as far as— | 6:10 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. | 6:15 |
| Kate Ellis | Losing your husband and— Well, let me, I get a sense that you need to go soon. Is that right? To the store? | 6:17 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | No. | 6:32 |
| Kate Ellis | Not to the store. | 6:32 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | They giving commodity. | 6:34 |
| Kate Ellis | Where do they take the commodities? | 6:35 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | That's a governor's project. | 6:39 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, okay. So. | 6:42 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | They don't give you too many good things, but it's good to take what they give you and in case they give you something good, we don't take in the bad. God bless you. You take the bad until the good come. Because they used to give us flour. They don't give us flour anymore. | 6:44 |
| Kate Ellis | Really? | 7:08 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | No. They give us corn meal. | 7:08 |
| Kate Ellis | I wonder why that changed. | 7:09 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | I don't know. They was giving you five pounds of flour. Not they give you five pound of corn meal. I always give mine away. | 7:12 |
| Kate Ellis | You give it away? Yeah. | 7:20 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | They'll make a cornbread. I'm going to get me a little box of Jiffy Cornbread and I'm going to make corn bread. | 7:22 |
| Kate Ellis | That's right. Do you know what your husband's date of birth was? What his birthday was? What year he was born? | 7:26 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | I think I got that somewhere. | 7:39 |
| Kate Ellis | Well, don't worry about it if you don't have it. Do you remember how old he was when he died? When he was killed? | 7:42 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. | 7:47 |
| Kate Ellis | How old was he? | 7:48 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | 39. | 7:48 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, that's so young. Wow. Okay. [indistinct 00:08:03] Okay. Huh. And. | 7:50 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | That's my neighbor passing in my yard. | 8:06 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh. | 8:14 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Let me see if I don't have that. | 8:14 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. Well I've actually, I've gotten an approximate time so that's fine. | 8:14 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Okay. | 8:15 |
| Kate Ellis | As far as, where was he born? | 8:17 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | He was born around St. Martinville. | 8:18 |
| Kate Ellis | I'm sorry, in St. Martinville? | 8:23 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Around St. Martinville somewhere. | 8:25 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. Okay. And as far as what I should put down for his occupation, shall I put down school bus driver? | 8:30 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah, he was a farmer also. | 8:38 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. So I'm going to say farmer and school bus driver. Okay. And then what was your mother's name? Her full name? | 8:40 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Ozita Bouyance Broussard. | 8:55 |
| Kate Ellis | Hi. Broussard. I'm sorry. Ozita? | 8:56 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | O-Z-I-T-A. | 9:03 |
| Kate Ellis | O-Z-I-T-A. And her middle name again was or her maiden name? | 9:04 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Bouyance. B-O-U-Y-A-N-C-E. | 9:13 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. | 9:18 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | That's French. | 9:18 |
| Kate Ellis | I love it. And she died in 1952? | 9:21 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yes. | 9:26 |
| Kate Ellis | Do you know how old she was when she died? | 9:28 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | 62. | 9:30 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. And where was she born? Your mother? You don't know. You know what parish she was born. Was she born, do you think, in your community? | 9:31 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. She was born around by UTIG, too. I don't know. | 9:45 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. Well, maybe I'll just say Vermilion Parish. | 9:48 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Okay. | 9:55 |
| Kate Ellis | Vermilion Parish. And what was her occupation? Housewife? | 9:56 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. | 10:01 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. Was she also a sharecropper? Did she work out in the fields as well? | 10:02 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | I wasn't there. When she was little I wasn't there. | 10:08 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. But when you were— | 10:13 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | I guess she did. | 10:14 |
| Kate Ellis | When you were coming up, she was a housewife? | 10:15 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. | 10:17 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. And you didn't see her going out to work in the fields with your husband? | 10:18 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | With my husband? | 10:25 |
| Kate Ellis | I'm sorry, with your father? | 10:26 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Maybe I did, but I don't remember that. | 10:29 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. | 10:33 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | I don't remember that. | 10:33 |
| Kate Ellis | That's okay. That's okay. And then what was your father's name? | 10:34 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Adolph Jim Broussard. | 10:39 |
| Kate Ellis | And he died in 1959? | 10:47 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. | 10:49 |
| Kate Ellis | Do you know how old he was? | 10:50 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | 72. | 10:50 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. And do you know where he was born? | 10:51 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | I guess around a Vermilion Parish too. | 11:00 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. Vermilion Parish. And should I say that his occupation was a sharecropper? | 11:02 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. | 11:11 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. Okay. And then can you tell me the names of your brothers and sisters, including the ones who have died? | 11:11 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Let me see. I'm going to start with the oldest one. | 11:27 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. | 11:29 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Fred Broussard. Wilfred Broussard. Norris Broussard. Lloyd Broussard. And John Murphy Broussard. | 11:30 |
| Kate Ellis | John Murphy? | 12:00 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. | 12:01 |
| Kate Ellis | And then your sister's name? | 12:07 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | May. M-A-Y. It's not just spelled M-A-E. Huh. But we used to spell it M-A-Y, like the month of May. | 12:08 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh. | 12:22 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | M-A-Y is still May. | 12:22 |
| Kate Ellis | Yeah. Oh, yeah. Now, you weren't the baby, were you? Were you the youngest? | 12:23 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Second to the oldest. | 12:28 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh. Oh, Okay. And can you tell me the names of your children? | 12:34 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Rita Faye Laverne. | 12:35 |
| Kate Ellis | Rita Faye Laverne? | 12:39 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Lawrence Jean Baptiste, Senior. No, Junior. What am I'm talking about? Junior. I call him Butch all the time. So when I call him. | 12:46 |
| Kate Ellis | You call him Butch? Is that what you said? | 12:57 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. Somebody come tell me about Lawrence. Yeah. I don't know who that is. And James Jean Baptiste is the youngest one. | 12:59 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. When were they each born? | 13:10 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | I have to get up now. | 13:17 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. No, no. Please don't get up. Please don't. I don't want you to get up. No, really. No. It's really beautiful. Do you make a lot of your own clothes? So your mom taught you how to sew? Do you have any, you have grandchildren? | 13:18 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | 17. | 13:37 |
| Kate Ellis | Oh, great. Okay. And your children, were they all born in Iberia Parish? | 13:37 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Let me see. Butch, I forgot which one was born in St. Martinville. I think it was Rita. | 13:49 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. | 14:01 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | The others were born in Iberia Parish. | 14:02 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. Now, as far as where you've lived, I'm going to say that you've lived in either Vermilion Parish or Iberia Parish. I guess you've lived in Vermilion Parish, Iberia Parish. And St. Martin Parish. | 14:15 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | That's for what? | 14:32 |
| Kate Ellis | It's just as far as the places that you've lived in. | 14:34 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Oh, okay. Yeah. | 14:37 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. I'm just going to write up like that. What was the name of that school, first school that you attended that went to sixth grade? | 14:38 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | St. Joseph. | 14:50 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. St. Joseph. And that was in Delcambre? And that was from primary to? | 14:54 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Sixth. | 15:03 |
| Kate Ellis | Sixth grade? Okay. And then you were at St. Edwards for one year in New Iberia. St. Edwards, where's? | 15:08 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | That's where you're right. Say. You know Iberia. Yeah. Okay. | 15:22 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. | 15:25 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. | 15:25 |
| Kate Ellis | Let's see. New Iberia. And that was seventh grade? | 15:33 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. | 15:35 |
| Kate Ellis | And then Lincoln? | 15:35 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Lincoln Public High. | 15:40 |
| Kate Ellis | Public High. | 15:45 |
| Kate Ellis | Port Arthur, Texas for eighth grade. Okay. And then as far as your work history is concerned, your first job was as a teacher in St. Joseph's? | 15:47 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. | 16:12 |
| Kate Ellis | As far as, I mean, besides working in fields and— | 16:12 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. | 16:16 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. Teacher St. Joseph's. And you were around 18 or 19 during that time? | 16:18 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Let me see. I got married, I was 24. Two years before that. 24, 19? No, about 19, I guess. 18 or 19, something like that. | 16:34 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. Okay. And then you're married and you didn't work for a while. And then when your husband was killed, that's when you became a bus driver? | 16:50 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yes. | 16:58 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. Bus driver. And your employer was the Iberia Parish? | 16:58 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | School Board. | 17:08 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. Did you enjoy driving the bus? | 17:09 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Of course. I didn't have nothing else to support myself because social security had just came out in '55 for the farmers. And my husband had never filed. | 17:17 |
| Kate Ellis | Huh. So you weren't going to get social security from that? | 17:33 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Well, them good White folks helped me. I paid them two years that he hadn't paid. And I got $33 a month for the children. It wasn't much, but I got that. | 17:35 |
| Kate Ellis | From when he died, from when he was killed? I see. Oh, I see. Wow. So it was something. | 17:46 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Yeah. I mean, it was two years and he hadn't paid, so they had me to take that option and pay that so I could get a little. And that helped. | 17:54 |
| Kate Ellis | You worked as a bus driver from '57 until you retired? | 18:09 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | '78, yes. | 18:14 |
| Kate Ellis | 1978. Okay. | 18:15 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Till I retired. | 18:18 |
| Kate Ellis | Now, when I talked to Veronica Rochan, she made it sound like you are a pretty busy woman, or at least that you used to be. What kind of things would you do? | 18:20 |
| Maude Broussard Jean-Batiste | Unhook me and I'll show you. | 18:34 |
| Kate Ellis | Okay. | 18:35 |
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