Melvin Caswell interview recording, 1994 July 01
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| Stacey Scales | Okay. I could just first ask you where are you from and how long have you lived in Birmingham and your name, I'm sorry. | 0:02 |
| Melvin Caswell | I'm Melvin Caswell. I was born in Birmingham, born in 1914. I'm maybe 80 years old now. | 0:14 |
| Stacey Scales | Okay. So you were born in 1914? Do you remember your grandparents? | 0:16 |
| Melvin Caswell | Do I remember my—? | 0:28 |
| Stacey Scales | Your grandparents? | 0:28 |
| Melvin Caswell | I remember my grand— yeah, my grandfather and my grandmother. | 0:37 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh yeah. Did they ever have any stories they would tell you about slavery? | 0:41 |
| Melvin Caswell | No, they weren't slaves. | 0:48 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh, okay. Did they ever talk to you about hard times or working? | 0:54 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, it was no need because we were having hard times then. | 1:00 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh, yeah. So what did they do? What type of work did they do? | 1:09 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, my grandfather was a truck driver in Nashville for the church bookstore. And my grandmother was just common labor. | 1:11 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh yeah. Okay. What about your parents? | 1:39 |
| Melvin Caswell | My mother was a teacher, and my daddy was a tailor. | 1:39 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh really? He in Birmingham? | 1:49 |
| Melvin Caswell | Birmingham. | 1:50 |
| Stacey Scales | Did he own his own business? | 1:52 |
| Melvin Caswell | He owned the building on Fourth Avenue. | 1:53 |
| Stacey Scales | What was his name? | 1:56 |
| Melvin Caswell | Isaac. | 1:56 |
| Stacey Scales | Isaac? | 1:56 |
| Melvin Caswell | Isaac Caswell. | 1:56 |
| Stacey Scales | And what was the name of the business? | 2:02 |
| Melvin Caswell | It was a tailoring shop. | 2:03 |
| Stacey Scales | Isaac Tailoring Shop? | 2:05 |
| Melvin Caswell | Yeah. | 2:06 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh, okay. That's good. Did you ever work there with him? | 2:08 |
| Melvin Caswell | No, I wasn't large enough, but I have one down there now. It's just a hole in the wall. | 2:11 |
| Stacey Scales | What's the name of it? | 2:18 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, Alberta Pops, they call me. The people around there know me as being Pops. And it's just a small alteration shop. Since I've been sick, I don't get a chance to get down there too much. | 2:19 |
| Stacey Scales | Yeah. Okay, what was your first job? | 2:46 |
| Melvin Caswell | My first job? | 2:48 |
| Stacey Scales | Yeah. | 2:49 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, my first job was carrying papers. And my first job out of college was at Parker High School. | 2:51 |
| Stacey Scales | Did you attend Parker High School? | 3:05 |
| Melvin Caswell | I attended Parker High School. | 3:05 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh yeah? Could you tell me more about it? | 3:08 |
| Melvin Caswell | About Parker? | 3:11 |
| Stacey Scales | Yes, sir. | 3:12 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, I was under Dr. Parker. My first year, I worked under Dr. Parker, the man the school was named after. I worked under him a year before he died. | 3:14 |
| Stacey Scales | How was it working with him? | 3:22 |
| Melvin Caswell | Very nice. Real administrator. | 3:22 |
| Stacey Scales | How was it going to school there? Did you— | 3:22 |
| Melvin Caswell | It was fine. Well, we didn't know any other schools. See, that was the only high school in the city. | 3:23 |
| Stacey Scales | What subject did you take up? | 3:51 |
| Melvin Caswell | At Parker? | 3:56 |
| Stacey Scales | Yes, sir. | 3:57 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, math, English, history. It's the same subjects you take everywhere. But you had— See, it was an industrial school. It was industrial high school. And they had a lot of vocational shops. We didn't call them that, but they had them. | 3:58 |
| Stacey Scales | Where did you grow up? What neighborhood? | 4:22 |
| Melvin Caswell | Smithfield. | 4:26 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh, Smithfield. How was it growing up in Smithfield? | 4:29 |
| Melvin Caswell | It was nice. | 4:29 |
| Stacey Scales | Okay. Was it places that you weren't allowed to go, coming up? | 4:35 |
| Melvin Caswell | You mean in Smithfield? | 4:39 |
| Stacey Scales | Yeah. | 4:40 |
| Melvin Caswell | No, not in Smithfield, but downtown there were places that you couldn't go. | 4:41 |
| Stacey Scales | Could you describe the neighborhood in Smithfield? | 4:52 |
| Melvin Caswell | Oh, it was very nice. | 4:56 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh yeah? Did people own their houses? | 4:56 |
| Melvin Caswell | A lot of them. A lot of people owned their houses. I didn't, but— Well, I mean, we didn't. But a lot of people owned their houses down there. | 4:59 |
| Stacey Scales | Did they have cars too? | 5:13 |
| Melvin Caswell | Yeah. | 5:15 |
| Stacey Scales | Did your father have a car? | 5:20 |
| Melvin Caswell | Huh? | 5:20 |
| Stacey Scales | Did your parents know the car? | 5:20 |
| Melvin Caswell | Mm-hmm. | 5:20 |
| Stacey Scales | What kind of car did they have? | 5:20 |
| Melvin Caswell | My dad had several regular cars. | 5:30 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh yeah? Did you ever take trips in them? | 5:36 |
| Melvin Caswell | No, I don't remember. He didn't stay around too long. | 5:38 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh, okay. So did they ever talk about segregation, your parents? | 5:44 |
| Melvin Caswell | No. Well, see, I wasn't around my father too much, but my mother used to talk about it all the time. | 5:50 |
| Stacey Scales | What did she say? | 5:54 |
| Melvin Caswell | Being a teacher, well, she would just let me know what was going on to keep me out of trouble. Not to do this and not to do that. | 6:00 |
| Stacey Scales | Do you remember any of the story? | 6:11 |
| Melvin Caswell | No, it's been so long. | 6:12 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh, okay. Did you have any experiences of your own? | 6:18 |
| Melvin Caswell | Oh, yes. When I got ready to try to attempt to vote, I went down to the courthouse. And I got in the line, and the lady said, "Oh, we have a nigger here this morning." And they put it in the paper. It was a reporter that used to come to our school all the time, so I can't call this man's name, but he did. But anyway, they tore it up as soon as I finished it and threw it in a basket. | 6:21 |
| Stacey Scales | Really? So you really didn't vote. They tore up— | 7:05 |
| Melvin Caswell | Not then. Later on. | 7:12 |
| Stacey Scales | So they tore up your ballot? | 7:12 |
| Melvin Caswell | Yeah. | 7:13 |
| Stacey Scales | How'd you feel about that? | 7:16 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, I expected anything. See, I expected it was something to happen when I went there. | 7:19 |
| Stacey Scales | Right. Did you ever hear of any stories of the Klan, Ku Klux Klan? | 7:28 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, I used to, when I was a kid, I used to see the Ku Klux Klan. I lived on South Side, when I was here, and they would parade up and down the street, Sixth Avenue, in front of Sixth Avenue Church. They would in old cars. | 7:32 |
| Stacey Scales | So what would you do when they came? | 7:53 |
| Melvin Caswell | What did you say? | 7:54 |
| Stacey Scales | What would you do when they came? | 7:56 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, we were kids. We would stand out and look. Some older people would throw in there. | 7:58 |
| Stacey Scales | They would do what? | 8:08 |
| Melvin Caswell | Throw in. | 8:10 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh yeah? So what would they throw? | 8:10 |
| Melvin Caswell | Bricks. | 8:11 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh yeah? | 8:13 |
| Melvin Caswell | Yeah. | 8:14 |
| Stacey Scales | So they were fighting in the streets? | 8:15 |
| Melvin Caswell | Oh yeah, some did. And most people would clean off the, get out of the way to keep from getting hurt. | 8:17 |
| Stacey Scales | Do you remember Dynamite Hill? | 8:26 |
| Melvin Caswell | Yeah. | 8:29 |
| Stacey Scales | Could you tell me about it? | 8:30 |
| Melvin Caswell | Dynamite Hill. That's where Tony Shores lived. But his house was one of the houses that was bombed. And I'm trying to think of, I knew another man's house. I can't think of his name. Right on top of the hill. | 8:33 |
| Stacey Scales | And what happened? | 9:02 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, when they did, people crowded around. | 9:04 |
| Stacey Scales | So how did it stop? Or did it stop? When did it stop? | 9:09 |
| Melvin Caswell | You mean bombing? | 9:13 |
| Stacey Scales | Yes, sir. | 9:14 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, see, when it would go off, everybody had, who was connected, was gone, see. | 9:15 |
| Stacey Scales | Right. So how did they stop them from bombing in there? | 9:24 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, they started having meetings, and it was pretty dangerous for them to come up there. | 9:30 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh, okay. What made it dangerous? | 9:36 |
| Melvin Caswell | Because people were watching the houses. They had people watching the houses, and it was pretty dangerous for them to come back. | 9:40 |
| Stacey Scales | Would they shoot them? | 9:55 |
| Melvin Caswell | Yeah. | 9:59 |
| Stacey Scales | Do you remember anybody ever getting shot up there? | 10:00 |
| Melvin Caswell | I couldn't say for sure. I just go by what I heard. | 10:01 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh, okay. So growing up here, did you have to go to church? Was church man— | 10:11 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, I had to go to church. If you lived at my house, you had to go to church. I still go. | 10:13 |
| Stacey Scales | Right. What church do you go to? | 10:21 |
| Melvin Caswell | St. Paul AME. | 10:26 |
| Stacey Scales | What if you didn't go? What if you stayed out? | 10:27 |
| Melvin Caswell | Huh? | 10:33 |
| Stacey Scales | What if you didn't go? What would happen if you didn't go in your house? | 10:34 |
| Melvin Caswell | If I didn't go to church? | 10:37 |
| Stacey Scales | Yes, sir. | 10:37 |
| Melvin Caswell | Oh, you was going. It wasn't like— If you had the right parents, you were going right. Yeah, you getting out of there. And then, she was going to check. | 10:48 |
| Stacey Scales | What'd you do for entertainment when you was coming up? | 10:54 |
| Melvin Caswell | I was a, what you might call, a half-shot musician. And I used to like music, and I put most of my time in it, studying it and playing around with bands, local bands. | 11:00 |
| Stacey Scales | Who'd you play with? | 11:17 |
| Melvin Caswell | With Fess Whatley, the man who started music here in Birmingham. | 11:19 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh, you played with him? | 11:24 |
| Melvin Caswell | Fess Whatley, yeah. | 11:25 |
| Stacey Scales | How was it working with him? | 11:30 |
| Melvin Caswell | Oh, it was nice, very nice. | 11:32 |
| Stacey Scales | Where'd you all go? | 11:32 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, we just played around— | 11:34 |
| Stacey Scales | Birmingham? | 11:36 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, there was places in Alabama we would go. | 11:39 |
| Stacey Scales | Could you name some of the— | 11:44 |
| Melvin Caswell | Played Tuscaloosa. | 11:46 |
| Stacey Scales | Some of the club names? | 11:48 |
| Melvin Caswell | The clubs? | 11:50 |
| Stacey Scales | Yes, sir. | 11:50 |
| Melvin Caswell | Here in Alabama? Let me see. I played, they used to have a, what you might call, a walk up on in Montgomery. I played down there. Then, here in Birmingham, they had the Grand Chairs, and they had Bob's Savoy. Oh, they a number of clubs. But during that particular time, they didn't issue Black people license for clubs. So it was kind of hard to have an affair and advertise it because you were doing wrong. You didn't have a license. | 11:56 |
| Stacey Scales | So did they have parties anywhere, anyway, sometimes? | 12:49 |
| Melvin Caswell | Yeah. | 12:52 |
| Stacey Scales | Where? | 12:53 |
| Melvin Caswell | Hmm? | 12:54 |
| Stacey Scales | Where would they have them? | 12:55 |
| Melvin Caswell | In the clubs. | 12:56 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh yeah? | 12:57 |
| Melvin Caswell | Yeah. | 12:57 |
| Stacey Scales | All right. So how was this— Did they segregate you in the clubs? Was it Jim Crow? | 13:02 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, the club was all Black. | 13:08 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh, okay. Did you ever have to play for White folks? | 13:13 |
| Melvin Caswell | I played in every big White club in Birmingham. | 13:15 |
| Stacey Scales | Really? How did they treat you? | 13:18 |
| Melvin Caswell | Very nice. | 13:21 |
| Stacey Scales | Yeah? | 13:22 |
| Melvin Caswell | Yeah. You were working then. | 13:22 |
| Stacey Scales | So they paid you nice too? | 13:28 |
| Melvin Caswell | Oh yeah. That was— See, I played about 65 years. And I even went to West Africa to play. I went over there and stayed nine weeks. That was in '64. I was pretty old when I went, but I just went for the experience. Of course, now, they have musicians there. And the musicians, I would consider them as good or better than we were. But— | 13:29 |
| Stacey Scales | Would they play the same type of instrument? | 14:12 |
| Melvin Caswell | The same type and the same type of music in Monrovia, Liberia. But there, they believe in, if you were down already, keep you down. They wasn't going to pay those musicians what they would have to pay us. | 14:14 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh yes? Just because you was from over here? | 14:38 |
| Melvin Caswell | That's right. It's some pretty bad things can happen over there. Then, there's some good things can happen over there. | 14:41 |
| Stacey Scales | So what happened to you during those nine weeks? | 14:56 |
| Melvin Caswell | Nothing. It was five of us. | 14:59 |
| Stacey Scales | Was Fess Whatley with you? | 15:03 |
| Melvin Caswell | No, no. | 15:04 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh okay. | 15:04 |
| Melvin Caswell | No. He wasn't. The fellows who were with me, let me see. Two of them are dad now. | 15:05 |
| Stacey Scales | What was the name of the band that went to West Africa? | 15:18 |
| Melvin Caswell | It was Newman Terrell. | 15:21 |
| Stacey Scales | Newman Terrell? | 15:21 |
| Melvin Caswell | Yeah. | 15:23 |
| Stacey Scales | How do you spell that? | 15:23 |
| Melvin Caswell | N-E-W-M-A-N-T-E-R-R-E-L-L. | 15:25 |
| Stacey Scales | Okay. Newman Terrell. Did you all play jazz? | 15:33 |
| Melvin Caswell | Yes. | 15:34 |
| Stacey Scales | What instrument did you play? | 15:36 |
| Melvin Caswell | Drum. | 15:46 |
| Stacey Scales | Okay. You were a drummer. So how was Africa compared to here? Or how was your experiences there compared to here? | 15:46 |
| Melvin Caswell | Some people lived just like they live here. And then, some, who you might call natives, they weren't doing too well. They fed them nothing but rice. You might remember when they had this strike. They killed the president, President Johnson. But he was the vice president when I was there. Tubman was the president. And they killed him and threw him in a ditch and covered him up. But the city used to sell them that rice to eat, and that's all. When they were working, they would give them rice, nothing but rice. | 15:57 |
| Stacey Scales | What'd you eat when you were— | 17:00 |
| Melvin Caswell | I ate better there than I ate here. | 17:01 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh, yeah? | 17:01 |
| Melvin Caswell | Yeah. But see, all of that was with our contract that they would furnish your transportation, pay your salary, and pay your room and board. They had hotels for us. | 17:14 |
| Stacey Scales | So who was the audience when you went to play in Africa? | 17:23 |
| Melvin Caswell | The Africans. Well, you had a lot of different nationalities there. But everybody was one, but it was a certain group. You had to be in a certain group now. | 17:26 |
| Stacey Scales | What made that group different from the other? | 17:44 |
| Melvin Caswell | I would say money. People, a lot of tourists would come down on boat or cargo. You found a lot of people going, coming down, writing stories. So you always had visitors that come down, and they would catch what you call those boats that carried supplies and stuff. | 17:52 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh, the cargo? | 18:25 |
| Melvin Caswell | Yeah. And it would come out cheaper. They had a lot of college students. And they had Peace Corps used to come bring a lot of people. | 18:26 |
| Stacey Scales | Did you go to play music North, in the North of the States? | 18:40 |
| Melvin Caswell | Yes. I went to those places before I finished college. | 18:48 |
| Stacey Scales | Where'd you go to college? | 18:54 |
| Melvin Caswell | I went to several, anywhere I could get a scholarship. But I eventually finished Miles. I went to Tennessee State. I eventually finished Miles. | 18:55 |
| Stacey Scales | Wow. | 19:12 |
| Melvin Caswell | But I didn't finish. I was teaching before I finished. I was a senior when I got my job. | 19:13 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh yeah. At Parker? | 19:22 |
| Melvin Caswell | Mm-hmm. | 19:24 |
| Stacey Scales | How was it teaching? How'd you like teaching there? | 19:25 |
| Melvin Caswell | I loved it. I stayed there 46 years. | 19:28 |
| Stacey Scales | So what type of changes did the school go through? Did you notice any from the times you were going there and then teaching there and then 46 years? | 19:33 |
| Melvin Caswell | We had real teachers there, then. | 19:42 |
| Stacey Scales | Then? When is then when you were— | 19:46 |
| Melvin Caswell | Of course, we have some good teachers down there now. But the majority of the teachers down there, they were real. | 19:47 |
| Stacey Scales | When you went there? | 19:57 |
| Melvin Caswell | Huh? | 19:58 |
| Stacey Scales | When you were going there? | 19:58 |
| Melvin Caswell | When I was there. And then, I eventually started working with some of those people. But when I went there, you had real teachers. | 19:59 |
| Stacey Scales | So how is it now, when you were teaching at Parker? | 20:10 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, it's a difference. Don't get me wrong. You got some good teachers. Then, you have some just there. But you have a lot of good ones. You got a lot of the young good ones too. | 20:12 |
| Stacey Scales | Did they ever teach African American history while you were going to Parker? | 20:28 |
| Melvin Caswell | The only Black history they had, I remember they had a book by, I think it was Burley. | 20:35 |
| Stacey Scales | Burley? | 20:54 |
| Melvin Caswell | I think it was Burley, It was Black History. They called it Negro History. And it was a part— it was in the system. | 20:54 |
| Stacey Scales | Had you read anything by Carter G. Woodson when you were— | 21:01 |
| Melvin Caswell | Oh, yeah. Yeah, all those people were in that book. | 21:12 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh yeah? So how did you like Miles College? How was— | 21:12 |
| Melvin Caswell | Nice. They had good teachers out there. You didn't just go in there. You had to study. And I went to Tennessee State first. | 21:20 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh yeah. So where'd you go before you went to Parker? | 21:34 |
| Melvin Caswell | That was the first job, and I stayed there. Stayed there 46 years. | 21:40 |
| Stacey Scales | 46 years. That's quite a while. | 21:54 |
| Melvin Caswell | I think that's longer than anybody. | 21:54 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh yeah? When you traveled up to the North, or even to Tennessee, did you encounter any racism? | 21:57 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, out in the suburb, little small places, you would run into somebody who would say something they shouldn't have said. | 22:11 |
| Stacey Scales | Like what? | 22:31 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, a lot of them love to use the word nigger, and especially in a small place. But in a large place, you didn't run into that kind of stuff. | 22:34 |
| Stacey Scales | No? Did you ever run into that while playing music? | 22:54 |
| Melvin Caswell | That's what I was talking about. | 22:57 |
| Stacey Scales | So even though you was playing music, they would call you that? | 23:01 |
| Melvin Caswell | When you would go to play for one of those little funny clubs or something, they didn't act like the rest of the people act. | 23:06 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh, okay. | 23:18 |
| Melvin Caswell | You couldn't go to the restroom or drink water out of the fountain, anything like that. | 23:27 |
| Stacey Scales | So what'd you do? | 23:31 |
| Melvin Caswell | Hmm? | 23:33 |
| Stacey Scales | What'd you do? | 23:33 |
| Melvin Caswell | With the water? | 23:35 |
| Stacey Scales | Yeah. | 23:35 |
| Melvin Caswell | They bring you water in a pitcher and glasses. | 23:36 |
| Stacey Scales | So you have to drink out of that. How'd you feel about not being able to drink out of the one side of the fountain, and then they had a section for you? How'd you feel about that? | 23:43 |
| Melvin Caswell | You mean— | 23:55 |
| Stacey Scales | The fountain? | 23:56 |
| Melvin Caswell | The water? | 23:58 |
| Stacey Scales | Yes, sir. | 23:59 |
| Melvin Caswell | You didn't drink out of the fountains. | 23:59 |
| Stacey Scales | No? I'm talking about the ones that had Colored on them. | 24:03 |
| Melvin Caswell | That was the only kind they had. That was the only kind we knew. | 24:11 |
| Stacey Scales | Right. So did you ever sneak and drink the other ones? | 24:14 |
| Melvin Caswell | I would, sometimes we would just, if we felt like it, we would drink out of it anyway. | 24:18 |
| Stacey Scales | Was it different? | 24:20 |
| Melvin Caswell | There's no difference. We just drank out of it because we knew that they didn't want us to drink out of it. | 24:24 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh yeah? So you drank out of it anyway? | 24:34 |
| Melvin Caswell | Yeah, we drank it. Stand up and drank it. They had them in the courthouse, right down there, in that courthouse was down there now. | 24:37 |
| Stacey Scales | Did you ever get caught drinking? | 24:47 |
| Melvin Caswell | White people would see you. | 24:50 |
| Stacey Scales | What'd they say? | 24:52 |
| Melvin Caswell | They didn't say nothing to me. | 24:52 |
| Stacey Scales | No? Did you ever hear people ever getting lynched or hung, down in this area? | 25:00 |
| Melvin Caswell | I had read about it. But so far as knowing, I couldn't say that I did. | 25:13 |
| Stacey Scales | So growing up here, was there a library that you could go to? | 25:18 |
| Melvin Caswell | Was there? | 25:21 |
| Stacey Scales | Yes, sir. | 25:21 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, they had a building right around the corner up there called Masonic Temple. They had a Black library in that particular building. | 25:24 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh yeah? So that's where you would go to get books? | 25:34 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, we had— That's where you would go. But we had the library at school. | 25:44 |
| Stacey Scales | A library school? Oh, at school. | 25:44 |
| Melvin Caswell | At school. | 25:49 |
| Stacey Scales | Okay. Could you check books out? | 25:53 |
| Melvin Caswell | Yeah. | 25:54 |
| Stacey Scales | Was there a book mobile? | 25:58 |
| Melvin Caswell | In later years, there was a book mobile. | 26:01 |
| Stacey Scales | Okay. So how was your family gatherings, when your family would get together for holidays? Could you explain how that— | 26:10 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, families got together, here in Birmingham and— | 26:19 |
| Stacey Scales | No, your family, like on Christmas. Did you have a lot of brothers and sisters? | 26:24 |
| Melvin Caswell | No, I didn't have. But a lot of families, families always got together. | 26:29 |
| Stacey Scales | So what if there was a crisis in the neighborhood, would they get together? And if someone lost their job, or they didn't have food, would they help them? | 26:38 |
| Melvin Caswell | Oh, they would get a lot of help, just as they get now. People would help in neighborhoods. You have a little organization in these neighborhoods, and they call it Neighborhood Watch. | 26:50 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh yeah. Like the block club? | 26:51 |
| Melvin Caswell | They watch your house while you're gone. People who are at home watch. And then, if anything should happen to you in a neighborhood right now, your neighbor's going to come see about you. | 27:12 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh yeah? | 27:25 |
| Melvin Caswell | Oh yeah. | 27:26 |
| Stacey Scales | So that hasn't changed? | 27:29 |
| Melvin Caswell | No. No. They will come and see about you. They definitely going do that. | 27:30 |
| Stacey Scales | Yeah. So you said you don't, do you remember your father? | 27:36 |
| Melvin Caswell | I remember, but he died when I was eight. But he still wasn't around too much when I was going to become eight. | 27:49 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh, okay. Did they ever talk about spirits or anything like that when you were coming up? | 27:56 |
| Melvin Caswell | We didn't believe in that. | 28:01 |
| Stacey Scales | No? Nobody ever had any stories they would tell on them? | 28:03 |
| Melvin Caswell | No, we didn't. We didn't go for that at all. | 28:10 |
| Stacey Scales | You thought it was a joke or something? | 28:12 |
| Melvin Caswell | I imagine I did. We didn't believe it. | 28:15 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh, okay. So how'd you get your news, like information? | 28:19 |
| Melvin Caswell | News? | 28:27 |
| Stacey Scales | Yes, sir. | 28:28 |
| Melvin Caswell | You had radios. | 28:28 |
| Stacey Scales | Oh, you had a radio? | 28:31 |
| Melvin Caswell | Oh yeah. Most people had radio. And just as the news come on now on television, where you had certain hours that the news would come on. | 28:32 |
| Stacey Scales | Really? Would they talk, would it be about Black folks or just different things? | 28:46 |
| Melvin Caswell | Well, it was supposed to have been about everything that's happening, but you know how that is. Most of the bad stuff was talked about. And the good stuff, they would look over it. | 28:51 |
| Stacey Scales | Did you belong to any organizations or clubs? | 29:10 |
| Melvin Caswell | Omega Psi Phi fraternity. You mean in college? | 29:13 |
| Stacey Scales | Yeah. | 29:18 |
| Melvin Caswell | Omega Psi Phi fraternity. | 29:18 |
| Stacey Scales | You joined the fraternity in college? What type of things would they do? Would they ever work with the voter registration or anything like that? | 29:23 |
| Melvin Caswell | Most fraternities and sororities always got out and did that type work. They do that now. And they always raise money to give to different organizations. Most of the sororities and fraternities, right now, always that's in that budget. You give so much money to organizations to help people. | 29:29 |
| Stacey Scales | Has that changed since you— | 30:07 |
| Melvin Caswell | No. I've noticed, if you look in the paper, where some organization's having something. You'll always see where they donated so much money to some organization. | 30:15 |
| Stacey Scales | Right. Okay. All right. I can't think of any more questions, if you got something else you would like to share. | 30:33 |
| Melvin Caswell | No, I don't. | 30:37 |
| Stacey Scales | I have a short biography to fill out. | 30:40 |
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