Paul Ortiz: We'll start this time, if you will, by having you discuss business on Fayetteville Street in the Hayti section when you first took over Service Printing Company.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Right, right.
Paul Ortiz: And if you could talk to us a little bit about some of the businesses? I'm looking at the city directory and it's such a thriving center for barbershops, stores.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah. Now, we were located on Fayetteville Street in the 600 block, in 608 Fayetteville Street, and we were on the second floor of that number at that building, and beneath us was a poolroom and that was where the Service Printing Company was started at that address. And now, Fayetteville Street at that time, right next door to us was the office of the North Carolina Mutual Durham District Office, and then going down, proceeding down Fayetteville Street, I guess it would be going—What is that? A north-south street. Let's see.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: This is where it's located now. It was going south on Fayetteville Street. There was a drug store next door to us that operated by Dr. James and his sons were in the business, the pharmacy. Dr. James was the leading pharmacy. And then there was another drug store right on the corner, now that's 608. That meant that, I guess it was—Well, next to the drug store was building supply, home modernization and supply company, that was next to the James. I was trying to think of what that—
Paul Ortiz: Do you remember the address of being—
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: What did Dr. James call his drugstore? Well, this is Fayetteville Street here. Let's see.
Paul Ortiz: Hayti Drugstore? That was on 618.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: 618? No. Oh, you have 618? Oh, you have an address there? Well, that was in that same block right on—That was on the corner.
Paul Ortiz: Okay. That's right before Al.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: And then I was trying to see 608. That's it. You go there. You go right there. Bruce. That's a pool. Yeah, Billiards, pool. We just call it poolroom. And that was, we were on the second floor Service Printing Company. And then that's—Oh, this is Richard L. MacDougal. That was Home Modernization & Supply Company. They sold building supplies and I think they did some buildings. And that MacDougal, I suppose he must have—Oh, no, this is 609. That was his home address across the street from our address. That's number 608. That's 609.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: He was a very prominent person in the community. He was an officer at the Mechanics & Farmer's Bank and the Mutual. I started to say Building Loan, but Mutual Savings & Loan, which is now a mutual community savings bank. And he was also given credit for encouraging a lot of building and home ownership and this kind of thing because of his position that he organized, I mean that he had into the bank and the savings and loan. And a lot of the development at that time was credited to him because he encouraged people to own their own homes and this type of thing. And so he was a very active person. And I said that was his residence across the street. Now, it was that Bull City Drug Store, let me see, it was on the corner of that block. And then I see you have here, you have a Right Way Laundry, that was a branch of the Right Way Laundry.
Paul Ortiz: Was that owned by a Black business person, or?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: I don't think it was, really. And then there's Amy's Fish & Poultry Market. Shelley was a shoe company, and Loftin's Bakery, I believe that was a branch. And then there was a—Let's see. Ever D Green, that's a office there, I believe. No, grocery store. That's a grocery store.
Paul Ortiz: Would you talk a lot with, and would you have a lot of interactions with these businesses that you're telling us about?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah, there's another drugstore there too. That's an interesting thing now. That was the third drugstore. We've come across two here, but Biltmore Drugstore was on Pettigrew Street right next to the Regal Theater. And interesting enough, that was Dr. Garrett who came here from Rocky Mountain, I believe, operating the Biltmore Drugstore on Pettigrew Street. And it was actually the larger of the two drugstores that we mentioned so far. The one on Pettigrew Street was next to the Regal Theater. And then the Biltmore Hotel was on the second floor above the drugstore.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: And then you have another older theater before. We skipped over something here, we're going on Pettigrew Street, but there's the older drugstore, older theater that was not operating at the time I was there, that was on Pettigrew Street too.
Paul Ortiz: Do you remember the name of that?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: I was trying to think of it. Do you have Pettigrew Street on here?
Paul Ortiz: Oh, we might only have—
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Let me see.
Paul Ortiz: It goes on to—Yeah, we have.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: I know that building was one of the first. It actually was closed, that theater that we're talking about, and it was one of the first locations of John Avery Boys Club. Maybe that'll come to me.
Paul Ortiz: Was that theater a Black owned theater? Or it was—
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yes, it was a Black owned theater. And it was, I think it might have predated the Regal or either at about the same time. Then there was a Booker T Theater that was built in that same building that we were in, that was there as I mentioned earlier, we talked about the layout on Pettigrew Street. In the building we were in, which was we mentioned that it was an old hosiery mill, either I think they manufactured cloth and they manufactured things from cloth and all that was built for Black workers on Pettigrew Street. That was building that we were in. Let me see.
Paul Ortiz: It was built for Black workers, or?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah, it was built and operated from—It was like a branch. I'm not absolutely sure, but it was like a branch of the Durham Hosiery.
Paul Ortiz: Oh, okay.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: I said hosiery, I guess it was textile. Something with textile. My understanding was, I haven't read an exact precise history of it, that was why this building was built. It was a block long building. You don't have any pictures of the outside of the building? Yeah, that's it. That's the corner. We were on the corner, but this building was a block long, and it was a building that—
Paul Ortiz: The hosiery was Black owned?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah, it was not Black owned.
Paul Ortiz: It wasn't Black owned?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: No, it was built. Durham Hosiery, they had several branches in the city, I believe. Now that's my understanding of it, but this was not in place when we came there. It was vacant. And one of the fellows that was really interested in that area, that vacant building down there, was Judge. I think Judge was not his real name, I think they call him Judge Watkins, but he was called the Movie King because he owned—Oh, that was a Wonderland Theater.
Paul Ortiz: Oh, okay.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: And he owned that building, that theater.
Paul Ortiz: Judge Watkins?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Judge Watkins. Now Judge, now that wasn't his real name. I think that Judge was a name that was, he was called by that. But he was a very interesting person. He, somehow or another, I don't think he owned this building, he was acquainted with the owners of the building and he visualized what could happen in this building. In other words, he attracted us to move into this building from Fayetteville Street, as we talked about earlier on being on Fayetteville Street. And he was very dramatic. He was the type of person that when they'd have a parade or something, he'd be like the Marshall on the parade riding a horse or something in the parade. He had a lot of flair and everything.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: And he took interest in this building and he sold us on the idea of moving from wherever we were into the building. He could describe what it could become and everything. And they divided the building into sections. Let's see. 18 feet section. Now, that first section where we were in when you went 18 feet, but when you got to the end of the building, it was a hundred feet. So it's like a triangle type of building. But if you go straight, this wall, this side would go straight back, and this side was spread out. So we bought two sections in that building. And I was trying to think. Did we buy a nine-foot section? I think we might have bought a 18-foot section and a nine-foot section.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: And when we set it up for our use, we left the second section. So it was separated in the front and we rented out the front for a shoe shop. And one fellow, I think who we rented it to first was named Fred White, no relationship, and then he sold it. He sold his business to a fellow named Monroe. I recall him. Let me see. I was trying to think of his first name. But anyway, he had a shoe shop in that building. He bought the shoe shop from Fred White. Monroe did.
Paul Ortiz: So Fred White actually owned that part of the—
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: No, we rented it to him.
Paul Ortiz: Oh, you rented it to him.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: We rented it. We bought two sections of the building.
Paul Ortiz: Okay.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: See, it was divided into—I was trying to—See, that first section was more than nine feet, really. Maybe we must have bought it. We could have bought three sections of it, because this first section might have been—We might have bought two sections for our use. No, we bought three. I was trying to think really. But we rented one section, we remodeled it. But the way it was—Let's see. This is the one you had. The way it was, it was like this one section come down straight like this, and then this part here, and then this other section came out like this. And when they got in the back, it was a hundred and something feet.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: And in the front, now I'm thinking now that we had—This was probably 27 feet here. And what actually happened was, every nine feet there were posting here supporting the wall, supporting the roof. And what we did was, we rented the front part of this out, but then we went on this side, we could go out and then go back here for one half of that part right there. And then this part was kind of an open space part right in there. So that was what that was. Now, we were going through this talking about what was on pit on the—
Paul Ortiz: Mr. White, I was wondering now, a couple questions on you and your partners coming to this new location. How did you first meet or get acquainted with Judge Watkins?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Well, I think he came to us.
Paul Ortiz: Okay.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: And he was that type of fella. He was a really open-minded fella. And what he was trying to do, I was trying to just—I was thinking, I don't mean to jump off too much here, but he lived on Fayetteville Street and I was trying to get his real name there. Let me see. I lived at one time on—Here is where I lived, at 1217, and he lived across the street. Yeah, here it is. Now, this is his real name. That looked like Frederick K. Watkins.
Paul Ortiz: Oh, okay.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah. So he lived almost—See, that's 1218, that house is still standing. And Judge was—
Paul Ortiz: So he was also kind of a Black real estate agent, or?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: I think he basically started out operating a theater and he may have done a number of things. And in terms of, he was interested in the community, he had a lot of flare about him, a lot of imagination about what could happen and what could do. And I really think he was an agent for the people that were selling this property and he went around talking. Now, I don't know what his exact connection was, whether had the commission or they hired him, but he came to us, for example, the young people in the community, knowing us and operating the print business, and we were up on the second floor. And I think because of the kind of cosmopolitan type of guy he was, he's interested in the community and they also sees an opportunity. He sold us on the idea of—He was trying to sell people on the idea of moving into this building. And he pictured how it would be very dramatically and it was just what we needed, really.
Paul Ortiz: Who owned the actual building?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: I wish I could tell you. I think the hosiery mill still owned it. Durham Hosiery Mill.
Paul Ortiz: So he was kind of working as an agent for them?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: I think he was acting as agent for them. And then this I can come to tell you. I know we borrowed the money from the bank to buy it.
Paul Ortiz: From Mechanics & Farmers?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: From Mechanics & Farmer's Bank. And now, it's also other people who came in there, Carolina Times, Elvira's Blue Tavern, she had a restaurant that was in there.
Paul Ortiz: Before you were—
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: I think pretty near the same time. No, we were in there, we were about one of the first to go in there. And then also in that building on the right end of it, it was a block long. It was a second floor on that. And they, Judge, Lawyer Gates, and lawyer Thompson, about three attorneys moved in on the right end of the building on the second floor. There wasn't an elevator or anything, had to walk up. Then also, a theater was built in there. Someone mentioned Booker T Theater.
Paul Ortiz: They heard of the Booker-T Theater?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah, they went in there real strong, because they built a wall. They built a wall from the ground up right onto the roof and it was a real nice theater. And that's what that meant, that there were a third theater in numbers on Pettigrew Street, but only two operating. The Wonderland was closed. Before we got to Durham, it was already closed. And it was also used, as I mentioned earlier, as one of the homes of the John Avery Boys Club. The John Avery Boys Club, first home I believe was on Fayetteville Street in the next block before you get to where we were on the sixth. We were in the 600 block, but there was a street, a Ray Alley about right next to the North Carolina Mutual District Office, and then there was White Rock Baptist Church next to that.
Paul Ortiz: So the building that you're describing that had the theater and the office space, what address was that on? That was on?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Pettigrew Street.
Paul Ortiz: On Pettigrew.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Our address was the first. First in the end was 608. Let's see. Now, I don't know what it was, the address, when there was a hosiery mill.
Paul Ortiz: Okay. And that was a building that you moved into?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: We moved into that building, then we had to remodel it to suit ourselves. All we bought was a portion of the building.
Paul Ortiz: That was a big building.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah, it was. It a block long. It was a block long. See, we said the Service Printing Company, then a shoe repair, then a restaurant, and then a beauty supply, Big Turner Building Supply, and then the Carolina Times, and then EN Toole Electrical Company. Now, I don't know whether you'll get a chance to talk with him.
Paul Ortiz: Oh, is he be a good person to—
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: I don't know how well he is, but if you could get to talk with him, he might tell you some interesting thing.
Paul Ortiz: And his name is?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Toole EN. T-O-O-L-E. E-N. I don't know what that EN stands for. He's a fascinating person. He's a real skillful mechanic. He did all our electrical work when we moved down there and I'm glad he was still living as long as we worked because he knew where every wire was and he could fix things. Now, he's the type of guy, that if he was working on something and he needed a part, he could go down to his machine shop and make the part. And once he fixed it, whatever he was doing, it was fixed. The only problem you had with him was, if something broke down, you might have to go get him to come back and fix it because he knew where everything was and he could find out whether to repair it, or—He's still living, I think. He lived on Pekoe Street, I believe.
Paul Ortiz: And his last name is Toole?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Toole, yeah. T-O-O-L-E.
Paul Ortiz: Okay. Now, he was a Black electrician?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yes.
Paul Ortiz: Mr. White, I wonder if you—
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: He's an electrical engineer.
Paul Ortiz: Electrical engineer. Okay. Jack of all trade.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yes. You had a question?
Paul Ortiz: Now, there are a couple of things I was wondering about. One, could you describe the relationship that you had with the other entrepreneurs in the building? Were you in an organization together, or?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: We never had a formal organization, but we had a close relationship with one another. And the thing that we did that saved us from the first fire that came down there was, we built a fire wall. One of the teachers over to Hillside, Thomas, his name was H. Thomas Tucker, he taught brick masonry, and I think that was his main subject. Because Hillside at that time, had a machine shop, brick masonry, and they had a carpentry shop and, I said machine shop, and automobile repairing. And one of the things that they did as a project, when you go down Lawson Street and come into—What is that? Is that Roxboro? Yeah, it is Roxboro. No, it is. If you go back past Hillside and you go down to, I think that, that's Roxboro, there's some houses on the left before you get to Roxboro. They were built by students.
Paul Ortiz: Oh, at Hillside?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah, at Hillside. They right opposite. The field, the practice field would run into where those houses are. If you go by there sometime you can see they were built by students. And that was, in other words, the students in carpentry and building construction and all, actually built houses.
Paul Ortiz: And that was during the time that you were in your forties?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was during that. We came in '39, and this, I would say it might have been as much as five or 10, a few years after we got there, that they actually built those houses. And that was, this fella I mentioned, Ace Thomas Tucker to teach brick laying, that was Cisnet who taught machine shop, and he lived right next door to me on when I moved to Austin Avenue. I lived at 1501. If you go by there sometime, the last house in the 1400 block, he bought that house and it had a well in the yard and it was an old farmhouse, and he laid the bricks on that house himself. Laid every brick that's in that house. Now, he's no longer living there now. He lived right next door to me, but I thought it was very interesting that he was a machine shop instructor, but he laid the bricks on his house. I guess that's that Hampton spirit in him. He finished Hampton Institute, same school that I finished.
Paul Ortiz: Oh, were you both active in the alumni organization?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Oh, yes. We were. Yeah. He's a very fine fellow and a real artisan in the trades. Now, it was a close relationship. And when you mentioned organization, I don't think we ever organized a former group, but we all knew each other and worked together and planned anything that we might do. Each building, of course, is separate. You know where the Carolina Times is now don't you? It's on Fayetteville Street.
Paul Ortiz: On Fayetteville. Yeah.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: It's really it's still on the Old Fayetteville Street, actually. They call it Old Fayetteville Street. And I might have mentioned it to you earlier that I was instrumental in helping them build that temporary structures, because they got to a point in the freeway where they were rushing the people out, and the lawyers, that they can't move anybody that doesn't have somewhere to go. And they tell me, this was done the first time in Urban Renewal in the country. Urban Renewal doesn't build anything for people. They only give you these orders to move. But we went down to Atlanta, I went down there with—I was trying to think of this fellow's name. Henry Moss. He was head of the redevelopment. Not the commission, but I guess the staff. And he was, might have been an assistant. And we went down to Atlanta, the office that was over this district and convinced them. They were trying to do the exit off of the Fayetteville Street crossing of the freeway as you see it now.
Paul Ortiz: Off of 147?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yes. They wanted to complete that. Started getting ready to do that exit. The interesting part about it though, after the first block, it didn't disturb Pettigrew Street, but they moved all the people out in—Speight, Theodore Speight, who has this.
Paul Ortiz: Oh, the auto mechanic shop?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah. He was right on the corner of Fayetteville and Pettigrew. And then that exit was effective in the way the buildings down to where we were branch placed. That was the corner. The corner we were. Yeah, but this building right here. Right down to this building. They wanted all those people to move, but they didn't have anywhere to go. So what we did, we took the problem to the redevelopment commission and then we got together and they took me down to Atlanta to explain the problem to the people in Atlanta. And they put up a hundred thousand dollars to build those buildings, temporary buildings, and the Carolina Times is still in one of those temporary buildings. But what they did before the Carolina Times moved down, they bricked it in. That's a 10. That was another 10, a metal building.
Paul Ortiz: Oh, is that what they call Tin City?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Tin City. Yeah.
Paul Ortiz: Okay.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah. Now, it was more than just that. Where it is now, it was like a L shape. It came—
Paul Ortiz: What street was it on?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: It was on, let me see, Fowler Avenue, really. It was the Fowler Avenue on the other side of Fayetteville Street. Let's see. Oh, let see. Where's St. Joseph Church on here? Is this it?
Paul Ortiz: Okay. Yeah.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah, it was there. Now see, it was—Now, which way is south here?
Paul Ortiz: Okay, this is White Rock here.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Oh, let me see this. That's north and this must be south. And anyway, it was right down Fowler Avenue. One building was built like this, and then the Carolina Times building, I think it might have been up this way a little bit. That building that's down there now, that's where the Carolina Times is now. So that, the two buildings that they built to take care of those buildings on Pettigrew Street, were built like that on Fowler Avenue. And they were made out of metal. They call it Tin City, but there was a metal building. Now, the Carolina Times building has been bricked around, and Toole went down there with the Carolina Times.
Paul Ortiz: Okay. Did a lot of people patronize those businesses when they moved? Was there—
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And see, the other thing is that Phoenix Square was the next step up from this metal building type thing. And it took in places like the Green Candle that are now in the Phoenix Square and the barber shops and several others. That took care of the smaller businesses in Hayti, which did not go into the Heritage Square Shopping Center. That's how they were able to move off of Pettigrew Street.
Paul Ortiz: Did they receive support from—I mean, you mentioned going and getting the funding in Atlanta from redevelopment. Did they receive support from say, Mechanics & Farmers or other lending institutions?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: I suppose they did. I'm sure they did because they had to have their own. They did redevelopment commission, they built the building, but I don't know whether they actually physically moved them or not. And so, let's see, where do we go from here?
Paul Ortiz: Okay. Mr. White, there was a couple more questions I wanted to ask you also. Well, I guess additional questions about your location on 608. And you mentioned earlier some of the businesses and you mentioned I think a billiard hall.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah, that was beneath us.
Paul Ortiz: That was beneath you? Okay.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Uh-huh.
Paul Ortiz: So did you know the owner of the—
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Oh, yeah. Let me see. Where's that city directory? Yeah, it was—They had the name of the person there, Bruce. Yeah, William B. Bruce.
Paul Ortiz: Oh, okay.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: I had a discussion with somebody the other day about that.
Paul Ortiz: What was in there? Was it just pool tables?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Just pool tables. Yeah.
Paul Ortiz: Was there a bar, or?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: No, I think they sold soft drinks in there.
Paul Ortiz: Okay.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: And that's Cardi Moore.
Paul Ortiz: They played pool there, or?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Very seldom. No, it's not—I can't think of if ever that went down. And that's Cardi Moore. That's Dr. Moore's wife, one of the—
Paul Ortiz: Oh, okay.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: One of the founders. She lived right there. It's Cardi S. Moore. Her husband was, I believe, one of the founders of North Carolina Mutual.
Paul Ortiz: Yeah. I was wondering, I noticed this the other day that there's no—I mean, they didn't put a C by her name, but I guess it's just a mistake the directory made. Now they had put—
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: What is the C for? Colored?
Paul Ortiz: During segregation, yeah. They had a designated—
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Oh, yeah.
Paul Ortiz: See, now she doesn't have a C by her name.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: What is that?
Paul Ortiz: The O, means owner.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Oh, I see.
Paul Ortiz: She owned the place? I mean, her residence?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: No, she was Black.
Paul Ortiz: She was Black?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah.
Paul Ortiz: It's just kind of odd that—
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: They didn't put it. Oh, I never noticed that. Yeah, okay.
Paul Ortiz: I guess the designations are kind of convenient for us now as historians when we find it.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah.
Paul Ortiz: Ironically.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah, but it works that way sometime.
Paul Ortiz: Yeah. In fact, I think her—She had a very—This was her residence by White Rock, wasn't it?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah. Yeah, it was right next door to White Rock. Yeah.
Paul Ortiz: Did you know her, or?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Oh, yeah. She was a member of White Rock. See, Dr. AM Moore, who was in my Sunday school class, his name for him, Moore, then the Ed Kennedy, he passed.
Paul Ortiz: Well, what kind of position in the community did Mrs. Moore play after?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Well, she was a very prominent member of White Rock. And I hear a lot of talk about people who helped people a lot in the missionaries. I mean, they went out in the community, and somebody was ill, somebody needed assistance, and there was a lot of that type of thing being done. And so she was very active in the church.
Paul Ortiz: Was she ever active in business herself in her own right?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Now, so far as my knowledge is, I don't think so, but I wouldn't be absolutely sure about it. I can't think of any business type activity that she was connected, but I know she was active in the church and active in the community. And I hear a lot of discussion about missionaries and all that. Really did missionary type of things in the community.
Paul Ortiz: I see. Like?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Children was ill, or somebody had death in the family, that they come to their aid and this kind of thing.
Paul Ortiz: Were there Black women who were active as entrepreneurs on Fayetteville?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Oh, yeah. Mrs. DeShazor. Jackson—J. DeShazor—Jackson. Is it Jackson? "Madam." Now, she's in that second block down there. Let's see.
Paul Ortiz: Is it the 500 block? Or the—
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: No, the higher number six, or what is it? Seven. Oh yeah, that's Bankers Fire. That was a fire insurance company. That was a Black company. And what year is this book?
Paul Ortiz: This is 1938.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Oh, yeah. She was on that street. Let me see if I can find a Bankers Fire. Jackson Plumbing Company. That fellow was a Hamptonian too.
Paul Ortiz: Oh, the person that ran Jackson Plumbing?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah. Then let's see.
Paul Ortiz: What was his name?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Oh. Ooh, I can't think of his first name yet. That's history.
Paul Ortiz: Mr. Jackson, or?
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah. Oh, one of these rooms. Dennis Eugene Thompson. That's the ABC store there. It's only one sheet here?
Paul Ortiz: Oh, it's two sheets actually. It might be in the next.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Yeah, it's physical.
Paul Ortiz: Start here.
Nathaniel Bradshaw White Sr.: Dr. Cory, he was a physician. Yeah, that's the block now they be getting down a little closer here to. Yeah, here you go. The DeShazor's Beauty Academy. They call it Beauty College. Now, her last name was DeShazor. Her first name was Jacqueline. Jacqueline DeShazor. And the North Carolina Mutual had that, they had—I had that district office a little in the 600 block. Now, this book, this may be a year or two before they got to the 600 block in the Southern—