WEBVTT 1 00:01.000 --> 00:04.000 Hold this just one minute and let me run in the kitchen. 2 00:04.000 --> 00:05.000 Oh sure. Yeah. We can stop for just a second. As long as you'd like. 3 00:05.000 --> 00:10.000 I'll be right back. 4 00:10.000 --> 00:10.000 Okay. Take your time. 5 00:10.000 --> 00:10.000 [INTERRUPTION 00:00:10] 6 00:10.000 --> 00:18.000 Get to stir the pot? 7 00:18.000 --> 00:20.000 Honey, I cooked [indistinct 00:00:18]. Then I have some bacon, some chicken. 8 00:20.000 --> 00:28.000 Smells good. 9 00:28.000 --> 00:31.000 So your son was in his mid 30s when you lost him? 10 00:31.000 --> 00:33.000 That sure was. 11 00:33.000 --> 00:36.000 Did you have grandchildren? 12 00:36.000 --> 00:37.000 Didn't have no children. 13 00:37.000 --> 00:43.000 No children, huh? What was he doing when he passed? When he was killed? 14 00:43.000 --> 01:17.000 He was to his house. Just had got off from work. He was working at the pipe coming down from Milledgeville. Just got off from working his backyard. He worked on cars and he was working on his car when they come up behind him. Stabbed him to death. 15 01:17.000 --> 01:19.000 Well, I'm sorry for your loss. 16 01:19.000 --> 01:43.000 Now, during the war you said everything was rationed. 17 01:43.000 --> 01:44.000 Right. 18 01:44.000 --> 01:46.000 And it was difficult to get things. 19 01:46.000 --> 01:47.000 It sure was. 20 01:47.000 --> 01:49.000 And people were being drafted. 21 01:49.000 --> 01:51.000 Yes, it was. 22 01:51.000 --> 01:59.000 And people who had the money were leaving to go to Atlanta and to places like that. 23 01:59.000 --> 02:05.000 That's right. 24 02:05.000 --> 02:10.000 And then after the war, people started coming back, Whites— 25 02:10.000 --> 02:11.000 Coming back. 26 02:11.000 --> 02:12.000 And Blacks. 27 02:12.000 --> 02:14.000 That's right. 28 02:14.000 --> 02:44.000 And I mean, do you remember that—You lived in the countryside? So what was there an NAACP around? Did any people from the NAACP ever come around? Did things seem to change at all after the war in any way? 29 02:44.000 --> 02:47.000 Yes. Things got better after the war. 30 02:47.000 --> 02:50.000 How did things get better after the war? 31 02:50.000 --> 03:08.000 They could get more jobs after the war. They sure could. They could get more jobs. They get more food. 32 03:08.000 --> 03:11.000 So where were people working after the war? 33 03:11.000 --> 03:58.000 A lot of them but was on farm. But biggest of the Black was on farm. And them was not on farm gave us, some of them was working, put mill wood, cutting put mill wood and something like that. And some of them worked. A lot of them was working at the chalk mine. Won't hide but a few long then and they weren't making, when they hire them, they won't making about half much as the White. 34 03:58.000 --> 04:07.000 Even after the war they were making Blacks were making half of what the Whites were making? 35 04:07.000 --> 04:31.000 Half that. They wasn't making before and after, too. They had a low income. 36 04:31.000 --> 04:34.000 And were there any Klansmen in your area? 37 04:34.000 --> 04:35.000 In the plants? 38 04:35.000 --> 04:43.000 No Klan, like Ku Klux Klansman. 39 04:43.000 --> 04:45.000 What? 40 04:45.000 --> 04:47.000 People with white sheets. 41 04:47.000 --> 04:59.000 Oh, oh, Ku Klux Klan. Oh yeah. Whoo, there was a lot of that going on. Whoo, yeah, them Ku Klux Klan. Yeah. 42 04:59.000 --> 05:00.000 After the war? 43 05:00.000 --> 05:11.000 Yeah. Yeah. That was been after the war. 44 05:11.000 --> 05:14.000 What about before the war? Were there a lot of them around before the war? 45 05:14.000 --> 05:35.000 Yeah, before the war and after the war too. Lord. I know it happened before I married, just the year before I married, right below my house. Ku Klux come in and beat up. Oh, they was awful, bad. 46 05:35.000 --> 05:39.000 So did they hurt many people in your area? 47 05:39.000 --> 05:43.000 They beat them. 48 05:43.000 --> 05:45.000 And what would they beat them for? 49 05:45.000 --> 06:10.000 They said they doing misconduct, they said. The Blacks was trying to mix with the Whites. That ain't been long stopped now. That ain't. 50 06:10.000 --> 06:17.000 The most recent thing you can think of with— 51 06:17.000 --> 06:22.000 They want to keep them segregated. That's what they wanted to do. 52 06:22.000 --> 06:24.000 Okay. So you're thinking now about the 70s. 53 06:24.000 --> 06:31.000 Mm-hmm. 54 06:31.000 --> 06:36.000 So did there seem to be more or less trouble after the war in that regard? 55 06:36.000 --> 06:38.000 Yeah, it come less trouble, less. 56 06:38.000 --> 06:41.000 Things got better after the war? 57 06:41.000 --> 06:43.000 After, boy, yeah, it's gotten better. 58 06:43.000 --> 06:47.000 Okay, so not so many people in white sheets after the war? 59 06:47.000 --> 06:52.000 Uh-huh wasn't so many. Not like it was before the war. 60 06:52.000 --> 07:03.000 Okay. What's the worst thing you can remember that ever happened about with a Klan? What's the worst thing you can remember? 61 07:03.000 --> 07:11.000 Beating up folks, beating up men. Women, beating them up. 62 07:11.000 --> 07:12.000 Beat up women too? 63 07:12.000 --> 07:16.000 Yeah, they did. They really did. 64 07:16.000 --> 07:19.000 And what would they beat up women for? 65 07:19.000 --> 07:20.000 They beat up women because they were trying to mix with their color. 66 07:20.000 --> 07:28.000 How do you mean mix? 67 07:28.000 --> 07:42.000 They saying taste one another, what they say. Yeah, I remember that well. Because I was about 18 years old when that was going on. 68 07:42.000 --> 07:45.000 So were they beat up Whites and Blacks or just Blacks? 69 07:45.000 --> 07:58.000 No they beat up if they caught White that was with Black, they beat both of them White and Black. They sure did. 70 07:58.000 --> 08:01.000 So they would beat up White men and Black women. 71 08:01.000 --> 08:06.000 That's what they did. They sure did it? 72 08:06.000 --> 08:09.000 Did that happen often? 73 08:09.000 --> 08:10.000 Yes. 74 08:10.000 --> 08:16.000 I mean did it happen often that White men and Black women would be together? 75 08:16.000 --> 08:18.000 Yeah, it was often. 76 08:18.000 --> 08:22.000 And where would that happen? Would that happen in the countryside or in the town? 77 08:22.000 --> 09:01.000 I know it happened in the countryside because we was living out there in the country. Because it happened not too far from our house. 78 09:01.000 --> 09:04.000 Did Black women have children by White men in the countryside? 79 09:04.000 --> 09:06.000 Yes, they did. 80 09:06.000 --> 09:08.000 And did that happen often? 81 09:08.000 --> 09:10.000 Not too often. 82 09:10.000 --> 09:12.000 But when it happened people knew about it. 83 09:12.000 --> 09:15.000 Yeah. Yeah. They knew about it 84 09:15.000 --> 09:16.000 And people would talk about it? 85 09:16.000 --> 09:18.000 Yeah, they did. 86 09:18.000 --> 09:25.000 And what would happen to the woman? I mean would other other people, would her neighbors and friends condemn her? 87 09:25.000 --> 09:29.000 Yes, they did. Yes, they did. 88 09:29.000 --> 09:31.000 And how would they condemn her? 89 09:31.000 --> 09:35.000 Condemn her because they said she shouldn't have did it. 90 09:35.000 --> 09:35.000 So what would they do? Would they punish her? 91 09:35.000 --> 09:42.000 They wouldn't have nothing to do with her. They'd know soul of Satan with her. 92 09:42.000 --> 09:42.000 Okay. 93 09:42.000 --> 09:54.000 No. 94 09:54.000 --> 09:57.000 And would these be unmarried women for the most part? 95 09:57.000 --> 10:14.000 Yes they did. 96 10:14.000 --> 10:16.000 So after the war things got better. 97 10:16.000 --> 10:21.000 Things got better after the war. 98 10:21.000 --> 10:38.000 And do you remember when the Supreme Court decided that segregation was not legal? Do you remember the Brown decision in 1954? 99 10:38.000 --> 10:40.000 Mm-hmm. 100 10:40.000 --> 10:43.000 Did people talk about that? 101 10:43.000 --> 10:44.000 Yes. 102 10:44.000 --> 10:45.000 In the countryside? 103 10:45.000 --> 10:47.000 Yeah, they talked about it. 104 10:47.000 --> 10:52.000 What did they say? 105 10:52.000 --> 11:17.000 They was glad that it was going to pay. The Lord was going to pay because they was tired of being under bondage. 106 11:17.000 --> 11:24.000 Do you remember the Montgomery bus boycott when Rosa Parks wouldn't give up her seat on a segregated bus? 107 11:24.000 --> 11:26.000 I remember that. 108 11:26.000 --> 11:28.000 And people talk about that too. 109 11:28.000 --> 11:32.000 Yeah, they talk about that too. 110 11:32.000 --> 11:35.000 Was there segregation in your town? 111 11:35.000 --> 11:37.000 Yeah, there was segregation there. 112 11:37.000 --> 11:39.000 Can you tell me about it? 113 11:39.000 --> 12:20.000 Yeah, well they didn't travel much too much there because most of them stayed to themself. They didn't live right close to one another. White stayed in one area and Black in another area. That's what used to happen. Not like it is now. They couldn't stay. But if you move they wouldn't let you move close to one. 114 12:20.000 --> 12:22.000 Okay. 115 12:22.000 --> 12:57.000 If you went to their house, you had to come to the back door, not the front door. I know all about that. 116 12:57.000 --> 13:21.000 So your husband went to work in 1957 in the chalk mine. And when did you leave this area? When did you move away from Wilkinson County? 117 13:21.000 --> 13:39.000 I moved away from Wilkinson County then right in 1950. In 1956 I left Wilkinson County. 118 13:39.000 --> 13:42.000 But that's when your husband went to work in the chalk mine, isn't it? 119 13:42.000 --> 13:43.000 That's right. 120 13:43.000 --> 13:44.000 So you left— 121 13:44.000 --> 13:47.000 When he went to work at the chalk mine. 122 13:47.000 --> 13:50.000 You left? 123 13:50.000 --> 14:01.000 We moved on with him because we moved to town. 124 14:01.000 --> 14:03.000 Okay. And how long did you live in the town? 125 14:03.000 --> 14:07.000 A year. 126 14:07.000 --> 14:09.000 And then where'd you go? 127 14:09.000 --> 14:12.000 Back to the country in Wilkinson County. 128 14:12.000 --> 14:15.000 Oh okay. And he stayed and he continued to work in the chalk mine. 129 14:15.000 --> 14:16.000 Right. Right. 130 14:16.000 --> 14:23.000 But did you have a car by this time? How did he get back and forth? It was about four miles wasn't it? 131 14:23.000 --> 14:24.000 Walked and went on a bicycle. 132 14:24.000 --> 14:24.000 Okay. 133 14:24.000 --> 14:34.000 Sure did. He walked 134 14:34.000 --> 14:49.000 And how long did he work there? 135 14:49.000 --> 14:52.000 He worked there about—I got the plaque they give him 30. He worked there 38 years. 136 14:52.000 --> 15:00.000 So he worked there from 1957 if you worked there 38 years— 137 15:00.000 --> 15:16.000 38 years at the chalk mine. 38 years. That's one time he quit and went back to farming again and farm bought him two more years. Then he went back to the chalk mine. 138 15:16.000 --> 15:30.000 Well if he worked there 38 years—I mean if he started working there in 1957 and he worked there 38 years, that would mean he worked there until next year. 139 15:30.000 --> 15:30.000 Yeah. 140 15:30.000 --> 15:53.000 But that's not possible. So let's see, he worked to work there in 1957. And wait a minute, wait a minute. I need to look at these dates again because he was— 141 15:53.000 --> 16:11.000 I had this pleasure to give him to mind. Somehow I move here. Well it's on there how many years? And it is 30, I think it's 37 years on the back, after he retired. 142 16:11.000 --> 16:14.000 He worked 37 years. 143 16:14.000 --> 16:23.000 37 years he worked at the mine. 144 16:23.000 --> 16:29.000 And what year did he work there until—How old was he when he retired? 145 16:29.000 --> 16:31.000 How old was he? 146 16:31.000 --> 16:34.000 Yeah, when he stopped working. 147 16:34.000 --> 16:56.000 He was 65. They retired him at 65. Then they can retire and he was such a drunkard. They let him go, on off retire at 65. Because they told him he could retire. 148 16:56.000 --> 17:24.000 Okay. So eight, four. Let's see. So your husband was born, we said around 1909. 1909. And if he retired at 65. 149 17:24.000 --> 17:25.000 That's right. 150 17:25.000 --> 18:10.000 And he worked there 37 years. That means he went to work there when he was 28 years old. And if he was 28 when he went to work there. And he was born in 1909. That means he went to work there in 1937. And you married in 1935, right? You were born in 1913. And you married at age 22. So you married in 19—So he went to work at the salt mine two years after you were married, the same year your son was born. Is that correct? 151 18:10.000 --> 18:17.000 He was farming. He was farming when my son was born. 152 18:17.000 --> 18:20.000 And he farmed long after your son was born? 153 18:20.000 --> 18:22.000 Not too long. 154 18:22.000 --> 18:25.000 Okay. So he went to work at the salt mines shortly after your son was born. 155 18:25.000 --> 18:27.000 Yeah, that's right. 156 18:27.000 --> 18:29.000 So it was still in the 1930s. 157 18:29.000 --> 18:31.000 That's right. 158 18:31.000 --> 19:48.000 Okay. So he retired at age 65. Worked at the mine 37 years. Okay. All right. That helps. That's what I thought at first. Okay. And he continued to work at the salt mine until, well, let's see, 37 years. 28, 65. Okay. Until 65. What's the biggest change between the time you were a little girl and the time that your husband retired? What was the biggest change that you saw in the world around you? What was the biggest single change that you saw? The thing you think was most memorable in terms of change? 159 19:48.000 --> 20:18.000 Oh it's been a lots of change since I even married, it's been a lot of change because things are better. Better than it was long then. And when my husband and I married it's better now than it was then when we married. 160 20:18.000 --> 20:20.000 Right. 161 20:20.000 --> 21:04.000 It's been a mighty big change because a lot of things that went on it in those days back there, we couldn't avoid it because we had no help and they had to go along with it. They knew it wasn't right but they had to go along with it because they didn't know to do. So now it come a time that they don't have to go along with it. If they don't want to, they don't have to. 162 21:04.000 --> 21:48.000 It's been as a real change that I see has been made since then. Because back then, now you see them standing on the street on the side of the corner, they couldn't do it back there. You had to go to work somewhere. The men with white sheets was coming. No, they couldn't do it and it was not near as much killing as going on among the Black as is now. 163 21:48.000 --> 22:29.000 No. And now I'll give it to back there. They didn't have them. I can go around the street and say see them standing on the corner where I moved at from over back over here on the street. I can't call the name of the street. But anyway Black just standing down on the mailbox. I go to my mailbox. There's whiskey ball, that's cards all in there. And nobody couldn't get up there. I couldn't get to the mailbox. Standing around there every day. 164 22:29.000 --> 23:03.000 And that's why they moved me over here. Well back then they wouldn't have that standing around there. The Blacks all pulled up around there. No. Honey, if they did they see them. They wouldn't take no warning, have no law out there. They were the Lord. That sheets when they got through with them, honey. That's one thing I got to give. They didn't have. But now and there wasn't near as much killing, much robbing going on as there is now. 165 23:03.000 --> 24:18.000 I see lots of differences. A big change from where I come from on up to now is done been made, a lot of change. Something was going on back there was better than it is now. And some are worse. Black man killing Black? Mm-hmm. It's the been a mighty change since I come on on these 82 years. It's been a lot change made that I see. I go along with some of it. What went on back there for the best, better. Now it is awful when you can't stay in your house. And I'm talking about now. 166 24:18.000 --> 24:42.000 I couldn't go to the mailbox. I couldn't go there all around the door. All around all that. There's a big crowd of them. Now see the cop come up there twice. About nine cops come up there. What good did it do? They went to running cab. Some of them on the jail. Know this thing, the next week they had a bunch standing out there again. 167 24:42.000 --> 26:15.000 And so some of told said, "Miss Pitts we're going move your way more here because this ain't no place for you. Dangerous over here." They do. That's why they moved me here. But that couldn't help back here. I don't know what I'm talking about when them white sheets was going on. No. No. So I can see a mighty change have been made. Some for the better and some for the worse. It sure is better. That's why I'm here where I'm at today. And it don't make no sense. No I all had it part in mail. I had to let it come to somebody else's mailbox. I couldn't let it come over there. Talking about just round the mailbox. Sometime it be 15 or 20 of them in a bank. And any common person got common sense. I know a bunch like that is not standing up there for nothing good. 168 26:15.000 --> 26:30.000 And said they said had been that way over there. Said, "We didn't want you to move you over here." No way over there because it was like that over there. But I said it is bad about in a several places but not bad as it is over there where I was. 169 26:30.000 --> 26:32.000 Where is that? 170 26:32.000 --> 27:18.000 That was over here. Okay. I can't call the name. It's two blocks from here right back Newman. Right over here, Newman's other part. Miss Beckel there. I stayed there nine months. 171 27:18.000 --> 27:24.000 So what do you think's going to happen? What do you think's going to happen in the future? 172 27:24.000 --> 27:32.000 What's going to happen? It's going to keep on till the change is going to be made. 173 27:32.000 --> 27:35.000 What kind of change? 174 27:35.000 --> 27:59.000 Things going to get better than what they already is. Officer end come to, all bad things in come to it. Through the end. It's going to be better. I believe it's going to be better. 175 27:59.000 --> 28:04.000 Well things certainly have gotten better in your lifetime. 176 28:04.000 --> 28:04.000 Yes. 177 28:04.000 --> 28:05.000 Yes. 178 28:05.000 --> 28:14.000 Yes. In my lifetime it's got better but I've seen so much now in some areas worse. 179 28:14.000 --> 28:22.000 Right. What do you think is going to happen in those areas? You think that those areas are going to improve in the future? 180 28:22.000 --> 28:24.000 Yes. 181 28:24.000 --> 28:24.000 Okay. 182 28:24.000 --> 28:26.000 It's going to improve. 183 28:26.000 --> 28:27.000 Good. 184 28:27.000 --> 29:47.000 It sure is. Back there long years ago. But I'm talking about before the war when I come on as a child, folks is raising the children better. They had same time that you stay our boys and girls and same time you had to be home. But now some of them around here that don't know what the children's at I'm trying to tell you now back then is better in some area than it is now. Because they tell you now you can go around and play. Before that sun go down I want you to be back here. And if you had date in your house they'll tell that that boy 9:00 bedtime, time for you to go. Wasn't that better now? 185 29:47.000 --> 29:48.000 Yeah, I think so. 186 29:48.000 --> 29:51.000 I know so. 187 29:51.000 --> 29:54.000 Yeah. No it makes a difference when people know each other. 188 29:54.000 --> 31:03.000 I know better. Yeah it's better now. They can come up stay all night. All night. That's what I'm talking about. I like old way. That's when I tell them. I don't follow new style. I said it was hard there. I would come up a little country girl and hard on a field, on a farm picking cotton, shaking peanuts, doing all that in there. And the wash tub. Washing on a rub board and girl come up there. But I thank God for it now and I see how terrible he's in God. I thank God for it. I come up the hard way. Because I know how to the cope with this here generation now. 189 31:03.000 --> 32:03.000 What activities they have going on? I don't take no part of it because I didn't come up with it. They said, "Oh, you old fashioned." I said, "I'm going to stay old fashioned." That's right. That's right. So in what area? This was better back then than it is now. Of every time you can pick up a paper, a turn on the radio, somebody done got kids. So and so don't care, done that. Well you didn't hear tell all that back then. Oh you had to. Somebody beat up the White Klans come and beat up somebody. That's what they do. 190 32:03.000 --> 32:24.000 But it's now and then they take them now and put them in jail. Carry them down, put them in jail. And they done kill somebody. If you know one thing that time enough to go to the funeral, if they want to go. That I'm talking about nine times now. 191 32:24.000 --> 32:26.000 I know you are. 192 32:26.000 --> 33:43.000 That's right now. They can go to the funeral, go to them, turn them out. But that wasn't back there. It wasn't back there. They didn't have it. You didn't have tell the mighty settlement. You had tell Black done killed the Black back then. Uh-huh. They'd fight. You'd hear tell them fighting but not kill them or nothing. It's mighty sin. If you hear tell every now and then it'll be a White doesn't kill the Black. You can say that. But you didn't hear tell the Black killing Black. But now that's all they doing. So I'm glad I come on back then because I know I can cope with what's going on now because I do know better. Because I know when it wasn't going on. And a lot of them can't tell it because it wasn't back there. 193 33:43.000 --> 33:49.000 Right. 194 33:49.000 --> 33:53.000 But I was back there and knows just what went on back there. 195 33:53.000 --> 34:17.000 Well thank you very much Mrs. Pitts. This has been very interesting. Very educational for me. I really appreciate your time. I've taken a lot of it but it's been very, very worthwhile. I've really enjoyed it. 196 34:17.000 --> 34:38.000 Thank you. And I appreciate you interviewing and trying to find out more what happened. And the only way you can find out, you got to talk to somebody that know, was back there. A lot of folk heard about what went on back there. But I know what went on because I was back there. 197 34:38.000 --> 34:51.000 Well that's why it's so important for me to listen. And what we are doing today enables you to tell not just me but you can tell people on into the future. 198 34:51.000 --> 34:52.000 That's right. 199 34:52.000 --> 35:00.000 Because they will be listening to you. They'll be listening to us and they'll be hearing in your words what it was like then and now. 200 35:00.000 --> 35:36.000 Right. Then now that's right. I want ask him. I want to include what's going on now because I'm still living in this area now. What's going on now? And what went on back then was so many thousand don't know nothing about. They just heard. I heard somebody said that there. I heard, I thought that's what went on back there. But I was back there. I was back there. Right. 201 35:36.000 --> 35:44.000 You lived it. 202 35:44.000 --> 36:16.000 And I thank God for it that I know. So I wouldn't know how to take along what's going on now if I hadn't have known what went on back then and I know the difference. It's a great difference. I'm talking about I know when we couldn't get. I know one thing I went on now that they didn't have that they were this and that, this and that. 203 36:16.000 --> 37:21.000 But folks are living more better back then they is now. And they cared for one, they loved one another better than they do now. If you got sick and up in age like I was, if somebody come over, Mrs Pitts is there anything I can do?" They'll just stay there all night, they going to stay there with you. But now they'll come in, How you doing?" May see you then you don't see him no more. It's been a real change made since then. It sure. I know in people to stay with people in my age. My fever as it took all night to stay there to see "Do you feel better?" I was sick. "going stay here and see. I ain't going to leave you." They stay right there with you. 204 37:21.000 --> 37:55.000 Right there. Get out the next morning, go to work and they get off and work come right back there, see you. And bringing their herbs and thing and making your teas and all they did for you. They loved one another more than they do now. So sometime I think they need to go back and pick up some of that they left off. That's true. That's true. 205 37:55.000 --> 38:51.000 I know we live in a time now where we can do more. We can say more what we want to say. We can tell Mr. John. We ain't got to go along with what Mr. John or Mr. Sam said. We ain't got to go along with it. But sometime you need to go along with it. Because now they grumbling about what they grumbling about. They don't like one another. They killing off one another. What's the matter with them now? What kind of change else they want may be made. They can make the change their own self. Try to live more better. Treat one more how to better. 206 38:51.000 --> 39:12.000 So I appreciate you coming and I appreciate you listen at me because I'm telling you something. Not only I'm talking about somebody help now. In this day now, no help. 207 39:12.000 --> 39:16.000 Well, I appreciate your talking to me. 208 39:16.000 --> 39:19.000 Well, thank you so much. 209 39:19.000 --> 39:40.000 Well I'm not letting you off the hook just yet. I'd like to ask you some questions about your family for the family biography. I remember I mentioned at the beginning that I had a questionnaire and I wanted to ask you some questions about your family background and I'd like to do that now if I may. 210 39:40.000 --> 39:41.000 Okay. 211 39:41.000 --> 39:44.000 Okay. Just have to get out the questionnaire. 212 39:44.000 --> 39:49.000 Okay. I am avaliable. 213 39:49.000 --> 40:15.000 I'm going to sit over here because I've been twisting around. 214 40:15.000 --> 40:17.000 Oh okay. 215 40:17.000 --> 40:18.000 Been twisting around so my back is bothering me. 216 40:18.000 --> 40:24.000 Okay. I know what you mean back there. 217 40:24.000 --> 41:10.000 This is yours. Oh, wrong form. Mrs. Pitts, your last name is spelled P-I-T-T-S? 218 41:10.000 --> 41:14.000 That's right. 219 41:14.000 --> 41:21.000 And your first name is spelled A-N-N-A? 220 41:21.000 --> 41:26.000 That's right. 221 41:26.000 --> 41:26.000 Anna? 222 41:26.000 --> 41:27.000 That's right. 223 41:27.000 --> 41:28.000 And what's your middle name? 224 41:28.000 --> 41:49.000 Anna Bertha. Bertha's the middle and I just put the B there. 225 41:49.000 --> 41:52.000 Okay. And your maiden name was Mabry? 226 41:52.000 --> 41:53.000 Mabry. 227 41:53.000 --> 42:01.000 M-A-B-R-Y. 228 42:01.000 --> 42:01.000 Right. 229 42:01.000 --> 42:06.000 And what is your current address please? Your address here, your street address. 230 42:06.000 --> 42:10.000 Oh 667 10th Avenue. 231 42:10.000 --> 42:23.000 And that's in Albany, Georgia. What's the zip code please? 232 42:23.000 --> 42:27.000 Albany. 233 42:27.000 --> 42:31.000 And the zip code please? What is your zip code? 234 42:31.000 --> 42:32.000 Oh, I can't think. 235 42:32.000 --> 42:34.000 Well, I'll get it later. That's okay. 236 42:34.000 --> 42:37.000 Okay. 237 42:37.000 --> 42:45.000 And your birth date is December 15th, 1913. 238 42:45.000 --> 43:01.000 That's right. 1913. 239 43:01.000 --> 43:04.000 And you said that you were born in Wilkinson? 240 43:04.000 --> 43:06.000 Wilkinson County. 241 43:06.000 --> 43:10.000 Okay. Is that W-I-L-K-E-R-S-O-N? 242 43:10.000 --> 43:13.000 W-I-L-K-S-O-N. 243 43:13.000 --> 43:42.000 W-I-L-K-S-O-N. And what would you list as your primary occupation? Would you say that it was housewife or farmer? 244 43:42.000 --> 43:42.000 Well, I was both. 245 43:42.000 --> 43:43.000 Okay, so I'll put both down. 246 43:43.000 --> 43:48.000 That's right. 247 43:48.000 --> 44:34.000 Okay. What is your telephone number? Your home telephone please? It's 912 area code. 248 44:34.000 --> 44:36.000 Hold up the phone there. Hold it up and look down. Hold it, pick it on up. 249 44:36.000 --> 45:13.000 Okay. It's 889-8679. And you are widowed? 250 45:13.000 --> 45:16.000 Widow. 251 45:16.000 --> 45:25.000 And you told me your husband's name, got it here in the notes. Walter Pitts was your husband's name. 252 45:25.000 --> 45:31.000 That's right. 253 45:31.000 --> 45:34.000 Did he have a middle name? 254 45:34.000 --> 45:39.000 Lee. 255 45:39.000 --> 45:43.000 And he was born in 1909 and died in 1965. 256 45:43.000 --> 45:53.000 Right. 257 45:53.000 --> 45:56.000 And was he also born in Wilkinson County? 258 45:56.000 --> 45:59.000 Wilkinson County? He was. 259 45:59.000 --> 46:01.000 And that's W-I-L-K-S-O-N? 260 46:01.000 --> 46:06.000 W-I-L-K-S-O-N. 261 46:06.000 --> 46:35.000 Okay. Thank you. And his occupation was farmer and chalk mine. 262 46:35.000 --> 46:36.000 Chalk mine. 263 46:36.000 --> 46:36.000 Did he mine chalk? 264 46:36.000 --> 46:36.000 Right. 265 46:36.000 --> 46:39.000 What did he do at the chalk mine? 266 46:39.000 --> 46:58.000 What you call pull press. I don't know what that is, but that's what he did, pull press. 267 46:58.000 --> 47:13.000 Pull press. And so he operated a pull press? 268 47:13.000 --> 47:14.000 That's right. 269 47:14.000 --> 47:16.000 Okay. And let's see. Your mother's name you said was Love? 270 47:16.000 --> 47:20.000 Love Bure Mabry. 271 47:20.000 --> 47:21.000 And what was her maiden name? 272 47:21.000 --> 47:25.000 Her maiden name? 273 47:25.000 --> 47:27.000 Your mother's maiden name. 274 47:27.000 --> 47:34.000 Davis.