WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.979 --> 00:00:04.053 (marker scratching) 2 00:00:04.053 --> 00:00:07.470 (keyboard keys clicking) 3 00:00:08.403 --> 00:00:11.653 (distant gentle music) 4 00:00:18.770 --> 00:00:22.203 January the 31st, 2002, 5 00:00:24.220 --> 00:00:26.230 I had a telephone call 6 00:00:29.840 --> 00:00:31.690 from a friend of his in Birmingham 7 00:00:33.270 --> 00:00:38.270 to say that Moazzam had, with his wife, 8 00:00:38.420 --> 00:00:42.480 managed to escape from the invasion of Afghanistan 9 00:00:42.480 --> 00:00:43.960 and settle in Pakistan 10 00:00:45.270 --> 00:00:46.420 where they were living. 11 00:00:47.470 --> 00:00:50.080 And that men had come to his house 12 00:00:51.170 --> 00:00:52.503 and kidnapped him, 13 00:00:54.060 --> 00:00:57.250 and they had not taken his phone. 14 00:00:57.250 --> 00:00:59.150 And I think from the boot of a car 15 00:01:00.620 --> 00:01:05.620 he had managed to telephone his father in England. 16 00:01:06.730 --> 00:01:10.980 And so it was within hours of that I 17 00:01:13.110 --> 00:01:18.110 heard what had happened and immediately got in touch 18 00:01:18.960 --> 00:01:21.867 with the foreign office to say, 19 00:01:21.867 --> 00:01:26.407 "A British citizen has been kidnapped in Pakistan, 20 00:01:26.407 --> 00:01:30.247 "Would you please intervene with the Pakistani authorities?" 21 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:38.000 And for the next nine months to 12 months 22 00:01:41.740 --> 00:01:46.190 the British authorities steadfastly maintained 23 00:01:46.190 --> 00:01:48.363 that they could get no information. 24 00:01:49.530 --> 00:01:54.000 He managed to get a message from the Red Cross 25 00:01:55.340 --> 00:01:59.350 to say that he was in Bagram Air Base. 26 00:01:59.350 --> 00:02:02.540 So he had been subject to rendition. 27 00:02:02.540 --> 00:02:07.540 He had been entirely unlawfully kidnapped in Pakistan. 28 00:02:09.950 --> 00:02:13.490 Habeas corpus proceedings were initiated in Pakistan. 29 00:02:13.490 --> 00:02:17.730 Every ministry, everywhere I looked into authority 30 00:02:17.730 --> 00:02:20.480 said that they did not have him. 31 00:02:20.480 --> 00:02:25.480 And then a letter came through the Red Cross 32 00:02:25.490 --> 00:02:27.533 from Bagram to his father. 33 00:02:30.100 --> 00:02:33.470 Throughout that year I went with his father 34 00:02:33.470 --> 00:02:37.550 to the foreign office here to demand 35 00:02:37.550 --> 00:02:39.423 that they intervene for him. 36 00:02:40.990 --> 00:02:45.750 And they maintained they had no information. 37 00:02:45.750 --> 00:02:47.060 They put that in writing. 38 00:02:47.060 --> 00:02:49.543 They told it to our face. 39 00:02:51.890 --> 00:02:53.820 And it was not until 40 00:02:56.380 --> 00:02:59.923 post Rasul v. Bush in the U.S. Supreme Court, 41 00:03:02.059 --> 00:03:02.892 post the 42 00:03:05.210 --> 00:03:08.710 ability of lawyers to go into Guantanamo 43 00:03:08.710 --> 00:03:12.210 and find out from the detainees 44 00:03:12.210 --> 00:03:14.600 something of their history, 45 00:03:14.600 --> 00:03:17.630 it was only then that we discovered 46 00:03:17.630 --> 00:03:19.970 that the British had been throughout, 47 00:03:19.970 --> 00:03:23.280 the British had tipped off the Americans 48 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:26.183 where he was living in Pakistan. 49 00:03:28.430 --> 00:03:31.890 British had been there when he was first interrogated, 50 00:03:31.890 --> 00:03:34.283 still in Pakistan with the Americans. 51 00:03:35.350 --> 00:03:37.313 The British were there in Bagram. 52 00:03:38.210 --> 00:03:40.313 The British were there in Guantanamo.