Charles Pollard: That's [indistinct 00:00:01] cherry be a mile out of Notasulga, going in Lee County. Stacey Scales: Oh yeah? Charles Pollard: There's a line [indistinct 00:00:09]. And we in Macon County. Yeah. And back there is a road when whisky stuff was ginned. Day after day in Macon County. Oh yeah, have plenty bootleg. Made plenty of it. And, [indistinct 00:00:31]. Stacey Scales: [indistinct 00:00:13] Charles Pollard: That's right. I went everywhere I want to go. I used to run all over Tuskegee, wasn't nothing but mud holes. Right away went down there. [indistinct 00:00:43]. Right there where there old folks place, wasn't nothing but rocks and hills right there in muddy hole. Charles Pollard: Many [indistinct 00:00:53] running [indistinct 00:00:53] there. And that old man been out there all of my life. Now, he was there, said, whatever you do, keep the nigger down, that's what some of them told me. You know? But yeah. Charles Pollard: That old monument there, that was put there in three years time. Some of them said "Whatever you do, keep the nigger down." Stacey Scales: [indistinct 00:01:12] Charles Pollard: Well, you know, you seen Booker T. Washington's house. That was [indistinct 00:01:28]. Wasn't even built back there in them days. Stacey Scales: [indistinct 00:01:33]. Charles Pollard: Huh? Stacey Scales: [indistinct 00:01:35]. Charles Pollard: Well, probably so. Probably so, because see I remember when Booker come down here. And as I told you, they cost about down there. And you see, Claire and them, they in the [indistinct 00:01:52] Grandma [indistinct 00:01:52] and Grandma feed [indistinct 00:01:58]. And they [indistinct 00:02:02] and she had one son boy. She had some children. They was in California. They come down here once, just to come out here to my house. And went out and [indistinct 00:02:12] going to pro. But to come back, and they never did come back, and ran off. Charles Pollard: After [indistinct 00:02:18] die, I ran. They [indistinct 00:02:19] some [indistinct 00:02:29]. After she died, they hauled up there in Nashville. Walter and them, she's my sister [indistinct 00:02:40] stayed down there a little bit. They couldn't get a long. So she passed [indistinct 00:02:42] this year. She been dead over a year now. But anyhow, you know how old [indistinct 00:02:59] go around the stream over there. You know? Charles Pollard: See, I dropped evergreen leaves on it, when [indistinct 00:03:06]. Yeah. Your sandwiches over there, for [indistinct 00:03:11]. And I've had prime fishing [indistinct 00:03:15]. And I used to—We have a [indistinct 00:03:18]. I used to save my peaches and have some peaches down there, but it's good for growing some peaches. That guy [indistinct 00:03:26]. Stacey Scales: [indistinct 00:03:28]. Charles Pollard: Yeah. Yeah. We'd go down there on the [indistinct 00:03:31] both way. Stacey Scales: [indistinct 00:03:36]. Charles Pollard: That's it. Well it wasn't many of them like [indistinct 00:03:41]. No. It was summer. Back over there, but anyhow well the Clemon fellow and [indistinct 00:03:56]. Another White fellow over there. Abercrombie. They owned all the land back in that way. [indistinct 00:04:17]. We have school [indistinct 00:04:20] own Clemens Hill. That's why I went to school over there in [indistinct 00:04:21]. We [indistinct 00:04:21] went over there [indistinct 00:04:22]. Charles Pollard: But we went to—We had one of them is Daisy Western. She was from Baltimore now. Yeah. We have another one called Miller. You know? During that time. And the teacher, Miss Western stayed right over here. We only played where she lived. It was a big house over there just like I have a home [indistinct 00:04:54] down there. And it had lightening rods on it. Back there then. A few of them bought lightening rods to put on the house. Because [indistinct 00:05:05] make too. When they come in the house, over there, we own that place now. Stacey Scales: [indistinct 00:05:06]. Charles Pollard: Huh? Stacey Scales: [indistinct 00:05:06]. Charles Pollard: Oh, there wasn't no Black man in this town then there. Only have two shoe shops. Yeah. They had a theater there once way back there [indistinct 00:05:24]. I don't know. They can tell you, something like that. And you see, everybody go over like in Montgomery theater. See they built a big building there [indistinct 00:05:42]. They never did do none of that [indistinct 00:05:44] from a big [indistinct 00:05:45]. Yeah. You know? [indistinct 00:05:54] bank. Bigger bank that went drive-in theater [indistinct 00:05:57]. It wasn't but one building there back there on the road. Charles Pollard: Well, you know how I am. You know, back there then, you just hope the other people they—But we got a heap [indistinct 00:06:19] now. Don't do that and stay around town, and things like that. And then they whole lot of them, hang around down there. They got nowhere to stay. Oh, when I was coming up, you see wasn't no White people between—hanging onto that she hold on. Right by [indistinct 00:06:41]. We call it down there on the [indistinct 00:06:48]. And down at the old airport. That low road take you straight into Tennessee. Right down here by the road. Drove that way, and coming on that freeway. Yeah. You go in the chee hole. Stacey Scales: Right. Charles Pollard: Yeah. You know. See right there where that store was, used to be a hole there called Silk Hole. We'd drive up there, and we'd walk up and down and drink water. These up to [indistinct 00:07:16], they standing there and drank water. You know, just talking about Silk Hole. We was going from [indistinct 00:07:24] on the way. Then this bridge down here, they built back in '26. What it was then down on this here, that old bridge. We had to go around for a long time. Until they put this here bridge up. High water in '26 I think, or '36 [indistinct 00:07:45]. Moved the old bridge and you had to go around, when it went down, they'd find that [indistinct 00:07:50] coming. Build a new bridge down there. Had a bridge down there. You see, all up here on this side the creek, it was a bank to go up. But they raised the creek up, and cut the bank down. So it made the whole road is level now. Go down, you know- Stacey Scales: So it's not there anymore. Charles Pollard: No. See they lowered the ground down there. Then they raised the bridge up. Stacey Scales: Right. Charles Pollard: Yeah. And you see, high water get up now. See it'll come way on our town, and still go across the bridge. Stacey Scales: Right. Charles Pollard: Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 1: Excuse me. [indistinct 00:08:31].