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<v ->Well, I definitely think that the 9/11,</v>

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the post 9/11 period, did cause a paradigm shift

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for us in a lot of ways.

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Everywhere we go now,

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we see the opportunity effect

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of invoking national security.

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Right?

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Right across the globe, you know,

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where there are people are suspects,

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where there's militancy.

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We see the invocation of national security

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in order to deviate from the rule of law,

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in order to deviate from protecting people's human rights

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right across the globe.

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And I don't think that we had

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that kind of global phenomenon pre 9/11.

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We had it in certain places.

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We had it rear its ugly head every now and then.

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But now every place that I work in,

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uses in a very discretionary way

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national security as an excuse to

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target people,

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minorities,

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to target and suppress free expression.

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And so I do think that what we've really have

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post 9/11 is a whole new world

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in terms of the invocation of national security

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to justify oppressive practices.