- I mean, I was sent to training camps. I was sent to like four or five training camps. I had one guy speak to me about the whole idea of becoming a suicide bomber and stuff. And it just wasn't for me. And I don't think, to be honest, personally I don't think my dad believed in it too. He believed in man-to-man and stuff like that. I don't think my dad believed in the suicide bombing. 

Interviewer: What kind of training camps did he send you to? What were they training you for? 

- They're training you for regular urban war, like AKAs, tanks, explosives, stuff like that. 

Interviewer: Did you feel comfortable in that or did it seem like, Oh, you're too young or-- 

- I was 12 or 13 years old, so I was kind of young. But again, for me, I had lived there. We moved to Pakistan when I was two years old. So it was more like of that culture then of this. So it wasn't really a shock to me, everything that was going on there. I've seen people walking around with guns, and everything like that was normal to us. It wasn't a surprise. I was a troublemaker when I was young. So my experiences with the summer were usually me getting disciplined. 

Interviewer: By him? 

- By his body guards. Osama usually didn't deal with anybody. He had so much people around him to deal with everything for him. One incident, I was playing with a pop can and I filled it up with gunpowder and I put it on a rock. And I'm thinking if I light it up, it's going to go up into the air. But because of the angle of how I put it up, and Osama was just leaving the guestroom where he stays and meets everybody. And this thing just came up. And when it came up, everybody got into the position, they thought it was an American attack or something like that. And then everybody looks at me and I'm standing there. So I got in a couple of troubles because of that.