- Betty, thank you so much for your willingness to be interviewed. I really appreciate it. If you could start by saying your full name. 

- Betty Kersting. 

- Thank you. And could you just spell that for us? 

- K-E-R-S-T-I-N-G 

- Oh, thank you. And Betty, are you lay or clergy? 

- I'm a lay person. 

- And your denomination? 

- Presbytarian. 

- Thank you. And Betty, when and where were you born? 

- I was born in Twin Falls, Idaho on May, the 18th, 1936. 

- Oh, well thank you. And where did you go to school? 

- You mean to graduate school? 

- Yes, sure. 

- Well, I can talk about college. I went to two years at Church of the Brethren. I grew up in the Church of the Brethren. And then my parents had moved to a new town in Washington State, so I transferred to Whitworth College. And then, from there, I went to San Francisco Theological Seminary. 

- San Francisco Theological Seminary, interesting. It sounds like something's clicking on the phone or something. Is that yours or mine? Can you tell? 

- I don't hear any clicking here. 

- Oh, okay. 

- Should we try something else? 

- Let's go a little bit further and see how it goes. I'm curious, if you don't mind my asking, what led you to go to the theological school? To the seminary? 

- I have always been torn between social work and working in the church. 

- Okay. 

- And I decided to go to seminary and I was trying to decide whether I was going to go to the Church of the Brethren or the Presbytarian. 

- Okay. Betty, I'm sorry. I'm going to interrupt for one second.