WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.201 --> 00:00:03.710 (scratching on chalkboard) 2 00:00:03.710 --> 00:00:07.290 To this day, the public doesn't know about Guantanamo. 3 00:00:07.290 --> 00:00:10.100 I can only blame that now on the Obama administration. 4 00:00:10.100 --> 00:00:11.360 I can't speak out anymore. 5 00:00:11.360 --> 00:00:15.040 Nobody listens, but there was a set of facts out there. 6 00:00:15.040 --> 00:00:15.873 These are the worst 7 00:00:15.873 --> 00:00:19.260 of the worst to try to chip away at that was very tough. 8 00:00:19.260 --> 00:00:21.653 Remember what turned against the war? 9 00:00:21.653 --> 00:00:24.460 Public opinion against the war in Vietnam? 10 00:00:24.460 --> 00:00:26.710 It was that general shooting the guy, and they said 11 00:00:26.710 --> 00:00:29.020 one picture is worth so many things. 12 00:00:29.020 --> 00:00:31.420 I still believe that the American people 13 00:00:31.420 --> 00:00:33.890 if you get the facts before them have a great sense 14 00:00:33.890 --> 00:00:35.070 of fairness. 15 00:00:35.070 --> 00:00:35.903 But you know, if they're 16 00:00:35.903 --> 00:00:38.150 if they think you're holding whole horrible murderers 17 00:00:38.150 --> 00:00:39.940 and killers in some way, you can't do it. 18 00:00:39.940 --> 00:00:40.773 So that was tough. 19 00:00:40.773 --> 00:00:42.710 That was a continual fight. 20 00:00:42.710 --> 00:00:45.490 Eventually, you know, 60 minutes did a piece on this, 21 00:00:45.490 --> 00:00:49.560 right about the time of Rassoul, 60 minutes two. 22 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:51.615 But early on, I was in contact 23 00:00:51.615 --> 00:00:55.410 with the producer of 60 minutes about it to say, you know 24 00:00:55.410 --> 00:00:56.335 here's the story about this. 25 00:00:56.335 --> 00:00:58.285 Based on the Gutman article on thing 26 00:00:58.285 --> 00:01:00.130 you need to do a story about this. 27 00:01:00.130 --> 00:01:01.840 She wanted to do a story. 28 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:04.250 It was an editor, a producer there. 29 00:01:04.250 --> 00:01:06.386 She called me back and we went through the whole thing. 30 00:01:06.386 --> 00:01:08.970 She said, the network has killed it. 31 00:01:08.970 --> 00:01:10.513 It's too political. 32 00:01:10.513 --> 00:01:15.513 Too political, an issue of a fair hearings for captives. 33 00:01:15.600 --> 00:01:18.652 So yeah, the news media backed off 34 00:01:18.652 --> 00:01:21.590 and it was always extraordinary to me. 35 00:01:21.590 --> 00:01:25.881 You'd have one good article, like, you know, Roy Gutman's, 36 00:01:25.881 --> 00:01:29.476 Jane marrow later on some other things, you know 37 00:01:29.476 --> 00:01:31.720 and then it would just sort of drop. 38 00:01:31.720 --> 00:01:33.510 And the next person wouldn't even know 39 00:01:33.510 --> 00:01:36.403 about the prior things we could get no traction.