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<v ->At the time, and as I look back,</v>

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there was a certain point where I said,

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"Boy, we're really being marginalized here."

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In terms of the...

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<v Interviewer>Who's we?</v>

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<v ->The Navy JAG, the Army JAG, the Air Force JAG, I mean,</v>

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we usually met with the General Counsel

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on a fairly frequent basis, I want to say monthly.

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We had a particular meeting with him

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where we were still all gathered.

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We'd meet over lunch.

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The JAGs, the Army, Navy, Air Force JAG, Commandants lawyer,

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we all met outside the room.

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And at that point, I don't want to jump so far ahead,

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but discussions had started about commissions,

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you know, and what we would do.

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And I remember the Army JAG, Tom Romig, saying,

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"We need more information.

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I mean, we're kind of operating in a vacuum here."

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And I said, "Yeah, my guys are saying the same thing.

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I mean, they're saying,

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'What am I supposed to be working on?'

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And I'm saying I'm not sure.

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Keep doing research, you know, research commissions,

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you know, write down some opinions."

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He said, "Well, we need more information."

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And I said, "I'll give it a shot."

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So we went into this lunch,

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and this is another, it's a vignette, but I remember it.

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Jim went around the room,

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and we all, you know, gave him reports.

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<v ->Jim Haynes.</v>
<v ->Jim Haynes,</v>

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and we went around the room,

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and we just gave him, you know, our little reports

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of what was going on in our world,

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nothing really significant.

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And so we had a little talk about the commissions,

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and we sat wherever we wanted at these things,

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but this meeting, I just happened

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to be sitting right across the table from him.

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I said, "Jim, are we on the team or not?

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I mean, we need more information."

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And this collegial meeting turned at that point.

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He just looked at me and he said, "No you don't."

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I said, "Okay, we don't."

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So we walked out afterwards,

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and as guys'll do, you know,

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and they kind of slapped me on the back,

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and I said, "I gave it a shot.

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I mean, we're only gonna get the information

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they want to give us."