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<v Cameraman>Okay, we're rolling.</v>

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<v Interviewer>Okay, okay.</v>

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Good afternoon.

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<v ->Good afternoon.</v>

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<v Interviewer>We are very grateful to you</v>

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for participating in the "Witness to Guantanamo" project.

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<v ->I appreciate that.</v>

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<v Interviewer>We invite you to speak of your experiences</v>

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at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

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We are hoping to provide you an opportunity

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to tell your story in your own words.

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We are creating an archive of stories

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so that people in America

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and around the world

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will have a better understanding

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of what you and others have endured.

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Future generations must know what happened.

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And by telling your story, you're contributing to history.

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We appreciate your courage and willingness to speak with us.

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If at any time during the interview,

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you'd like to take a break, just let us know.

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And if there's anything you say you'd like to remove,

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let us know and we can remove it.

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<v ->No problem, it's all right.</v>

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<v Interviewer>And I'd like to begin</v>

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by asking some questions

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like your name and where you're from

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and your, where you're living today,

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and your age and birthdate.

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<v ->Okay.</v>

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You want me to start with my name?

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My name is Mamdouh Habib.

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M-A-M-D-O-U-H, second name is Habib, H-A-B-I-B.

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Born in Egypt.

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And my age over 50.

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(chuckles)

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My early background, it's too too far, from Palestine.

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My mom from Turkish, Turkish back background so far as well.

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I was told my mom's side was rich people,

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but now, when I born was no one rich, was poor.

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I think they lost money I don't know how.

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Maybe gambling. I don't know.

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But anyway, when I born, wasn't very good money.

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As family we was seven people.

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My family were around, five sisters, two brothers.

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We can afford to survive in a small house.

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And I was study to the high school.

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I left the country.

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I left Egypt and I start to build my life,

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to get married and to be as a human being,

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look after his life by himself.

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I went to too many different country around the world.

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Most of the Arab country

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and most of the Europe countries as well.

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And I stayed in, I was in India and Italy.

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I love Italy.

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I used to train horses.

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I love horse, better than the human being.

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Then I ended to come in Australia

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and I start the different life as I get married.

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And I got on my wife and I have four kids.

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And this how I start in Australia.

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<v Interviewer>Can you tell us when you came to Australia?</v>

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<v ->Actually, was a big decision to come in Australia.</v>

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I was in Italy in the same time,

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Australian, Italy government give me a good opportunity

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to have Italian citizen and I have American guy,

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who buy a horse from my boss,

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his name Angelo Bazolin.

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I never forgot his name.

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And he was a nice man.

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And, I have opportunity to go, I think Chicago

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to (indistinct) the horse and the guy,

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he bought it from the United States.

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He offered me to give me a job

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and citizen in the United States

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if I train his horses well.

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And my sister, she asked me to come in Australia

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because I have my sister and my brother here.

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And I decided to come Australia,

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see my sister.

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The money I spend it all the way.

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It's very hard.

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This country the soon you come

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you can get out of it.

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And you're lucky if you came out because it's big,

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big amount of money to come.

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If you are a person to come for visit,

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and people were working all his life,

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a ticket and life is expensive.

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And I buy the ticket and I came and I couldn't go back

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because I spent all the money I have.

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And I met with my wife.

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<v Interviewer>You met your wife in Australia?</v>

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<v ->Yeah, actually her sister, she was married</v>

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with my brother and, and they divorced and we continue.

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(chuckles)

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<v Interviewer>And when did you come to Australia?</v>

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<v ->'82</v>

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<v Interviewer>And where do you live now?</v>

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I live in Guernica.

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And I start, actually around Australia,

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I was Sydney,

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only first, I used to live in an area called The Bright,

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then Meadowbank.

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Then I moved to Greenville.

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Then I went to area called Blacktown.

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Then I came to Guernica area.

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And this is where I am now.

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<v Interviewer>And, do you know when you were first</v>

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picked up, what day that was?

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When you were first arrested?

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<v ->Oh, I never been arrested totally.</v>

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I don't like the word if arrested

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because arrest is someone done something wrong.

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Give the police or give anyone a chance to put him in jail

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or take him away.

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And I never been given anybody a chance to arrest me.

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I haven't done anything wrong.

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I call this, a kidnapping.

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First time I been kidnapping Pakistan, I was in bus

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and the people kidnapped me wasn't for me.

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It was two young boys from Shaman.

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I was in my way back to Australia.

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And was the bus was a stopped

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by

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civilian people.

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I think agencies and these people

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working for United state

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and the other country agencies.

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They point people,

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buying European and buy Middle Eastern and Arabs.

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They decide like,

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I believe this has happened long, long time ago

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when people, stealing people make them as a slave.

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Now, the time has come back again as in

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the new it's 2004,

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when 2001, they start kidnapping a human being,

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make experiment.

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And that's what they did to me.

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And wasn't this time it's not only me.

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They, a lot of people being kidnapped

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and I'm aware of it because this is not first.

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I was in, in Pakistan.

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And I was seeing it's a big issue

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in front of my own eye.

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Pakistan tried to kidnapping someone

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who is rich person is named Gatony

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and they shoot him front of my own eye.

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This is,

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it's a big story.

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I don't wanna go with you so much because

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it's gonna be long.

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This is in my book.

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I think you can read it, make you more clear

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what is about try to give you short of my experiences.

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That's what I'm telling you experience

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has stood up for these boys,

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because I see the Pakistani agency

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killing someone in front of my own eye

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and stealing the money and to try to do a lot of issues,

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not legal.

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And that's why I stood up for this young boys,

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to help them out.

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And-

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<v Interviewer>You know what the date it was?</v>

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<v ->The date I supposed to take the flight</v>

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1st of October, 2000,

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2000, 2000, I think first 2001, 2001.

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Yeah, it's supposed to have the fly,

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1st of October, 2001.

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This, no my fly, 1st of October,

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4th of October, the tickets, all right?

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I've booked for 4th of October to catch the fly.

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And I got a copy of the ticket and all this,

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but I have a three days to stay and catch it.

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We catch the bus from a quite

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I think the 1st of October or the end of November.

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<v Interviewer>September?</v>

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<v ->It's September. Yeah, September.</v>

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This is before October anyway.

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And they,

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one day wake me up,

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it's a three or four days missing.

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And until today in the government,

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they never mentioned what day I was kidnapped.

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And this is to, to make you,

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if you go on the records and this, I know that,

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but people doesn't know that,

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but I know that very well because the three days

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from the 1st of October to three of October,

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what the government here in Australia said,

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"We are aware of Habib, has been arrest."

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And 5th of October,

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and some of the documents say four of October,

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some of the cones say two October,

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but then very national national security say two October

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or three October.

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The three days, because this agency

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is work separately in Pakistan.

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The three days I was in the secret jail,

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and this is where the market of the human being to sell.

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Now where I was, it's a market, like auction.

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The sitting auction for me and the two boys,

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and appliance before they release me out.

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They make sell for American, Australia whole country.

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I got this three boys.

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I got that is very nice European people.

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You can sit him up, whatever you want.

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This is Habib.

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This Ibrahim.

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This is Bakim.

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Say what you want.

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Now they check it up our record.

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My record was America is nothing.

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I was until in 93.

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I was in America because I have my family there.

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I was protest for one guy,

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his name Said Mossein,

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the one he was accused for (indistinct).

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This the leader of the Jewish Wilson Inate.

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I was stood up for this guy and the camera got me

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when I was in the, in the case running in court.

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And they tried to set me up and this time

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put me in a good position to find

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as this person is a big thud worth how much now?

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Now-

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<v Interviewer>How much were you?</v>

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Do you know how much you were sold for?

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<v ->I was, by Egyptian told me I was they paying,</v>

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the American paying the Egyptian 10 million.

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<v Interviewer>10 million?</v>
<v ->10 million.</v>

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<v Interviewer>For you?</v>

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<v ->For me to take me to Egypt</v>

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This is America.

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This not Pakistani,

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Pakistani is from different money.

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Now,

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every Asian take his money.

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Now there is you have the Pakistani,

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the first Asian they took me.

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They paid the Pakistani to take me from Pakistani.

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Now the Egyptian to do the second job,

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for torture, coaching,

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to keep me there for few months,

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the America pay him to some amount of money, to get some...

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<v Interviewer>And do you know why that happened?</v>

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<v ->The guarantee I know why.</v>

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The situation is,

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it's very clear to the world.

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America wanna accuse every single country,

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they are against United state.

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And America have to protect themselves from the world.

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Now to protect themselves from the world,

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they have to accuse everyone in the world,

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to try to bombing United State.

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All right, and this is what happened.

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Now to do this,

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how they gonna do it?

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There have to be something big happen in United State,

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and some people have to give evidence.

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We yes we wanna blowing up America.

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Yes we gonna do this to United State.

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Yes we done that.

265
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All I am, who is Habib?

266
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Habib is a person from Australia,

267
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he is, have a community,

268
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he have a lot of people listen to him,

269
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he helping people refugee in Australia, is important person.

270
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He's been aggressive in an Anti-American for sometimes

271
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in Australia,

272
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he's too dangerous for us

273
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and who's behind Mr.Habib?

274
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Who know?

275
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And now this guy is in our hands, he try,

276
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he involve was, September 11.

277
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It's not only me,

278
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I got a lot of people

279
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from different countries same situation.

280
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<v Interviewer>What kind of work did you do</v>

281
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in Australia before?

282
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<v ->well I was,</v>

283
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I was, I have a company, a security company,

284
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and I have a restaurant in

285
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Lakemba area and I have a cleaning business.

286
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I was going very well.

287
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I was helping the community.

288
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I was helping people refugee,

289
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come from, they put him in the detention center.

290
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I was against the

291
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discrimination and I was against

292
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the people is doesn't do the right thing

293
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with the human rights.

294
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<v Interviewer>And did any Americans speak to you</v>

295
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before you were sent to Egypt?

296
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<v ->Oh yeah.</v>

297
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The people done interview with me

298
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and nothing to do with Australia.

299
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Australia haven't been done anything.

300
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That's why I'm saying, in the beginning,

301
00:14:05.540 --> 00:14:07.990
cause this is in the film, it's different.

302
00:14:07.990 --> 00:14:10.173
What I try to tell you in the beginning,

303
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when I was kidnapped, I was sold by Pakistani.

304
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They hand me over and-

305
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<v Interviewer>To who?</v>

306
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<v ->To who I don't know.</v>

307
00:14:19.730 --> 00:14:22.280
Who paying the full amount to the Pakistani,

308
00:14:22.280 --> 00:14:23.440
I have no idea.

309
00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:26.620
But, so until now I have no idea.

310
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But there is, I was informed,

311
00:14:29.910 --> 00:14:31.530
I was by the Egyptian

312
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they paying $10 million to keep me there for sometimes

313
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and torture.

314
00:14:37.620 --> 00:14:40.680
So the Pakistani, when I went Pakistani,

315
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this is because they taken time.

316
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They transfer us,

317
00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:49.600
it's not transferring, like someone is stealing drugs

318
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or transfer something is not legal.

319
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We are covering all the time,

320
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they put us in a van,

321
00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:01.020
they put us, driving and like hiding something

322
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from place to place for 25 days.

323
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They keep moving us from different places.

324
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<v Interviewer>In Pakistani?</v>
<v ->Yes.</v>

325
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Until they take us in a place Islamabad,

326
00:15:11.300 --> 00:15:13.570
and Australian Council, I saw him.

327
00:15:13.570 --> 00:15:15.070
His name Alistro Adam.

328
00:15:15.070 --> 00:15:17.363
He come in and he didn't see me first time.

329
00:15:18.620 --> 00:15:21.720
This Australian cause he gave me his business car,

330
00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:23.740
And I tell him "I am for Australia,

331
00:15:23.740 --> 00:15:26.090
I come in to see a set up.

332
00:15:26.090 --> 00:15:27.710
Why I'm here.

333
00:15:27.710 --> 00:15:29.510
You should not come in to see me.

334
00:15:29.510 --> 00:15:33.567
You should come and take me out of this corruption place."

335
00:15:34.490 --> 00:15:35.323
And he laugh and he say,

336
00:15:35.323 --> 00:15:37.123
"You're never gonna get out of here.

337
00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:40.360
You're gonna go back to Europe where you come from before.

338
00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:42.670
You go to back to Egypt."

339
00:15:42.670 --> 00:15:45.120
I wasn't believing what he saying.

340
00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:46.320
And I said this I say,

341
00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:47.600
now the world is being,

342
00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:50.900
because in 25 days, a lot of things happen.

343
00:15:50.900 --> 00:15:52.380
The war starts in Afghanistan,

344
00:15:52.380 --> 00:15:53.957
I wasn't know the war start.

345
00:15:53.957 --> 00:15:57.700
And a lot of sinkers after September 11 and all this time,

346
00:15:57.700 --> 00:15:59.110
I was under secret jail,

347
00:15:59.110 --> 00:16:01.260
I have no idea what's going on in the world.

348
00:16:01.260 --> 00:16:02.897
<v Interviewer>What did you do during those 25 days?</v>

349
00:16:02.897 --> 00:16:04.326
<v ->I didn't see nothing.</v>

350
00:16:04.326 --> 00:16:07.810
(indistinct) is, was a winter at first issue,

351
00:16:07.810 --> 00:16:08.643
was...

352
00:16:09.834 --> 00:16:11.462
(sighs)

353
00:16:11.462 --> 00:16:12.700
Is a crime.

354
00:16:12.700 --> 00:16:15.723
Say I was in the cells underground.

355
00:16:17.894 --> 00:16:18.727
It's a torture

356
00:16:18.727 --> 00:16:20.633
<v Interviewer>There's something called a dark prison.</v>

357
00:16:20.633 --> 00:16:22.800
Did you ever hear of that?

358
00:16:24.420 --> 00:16:27.143
<v ->Dark prison is too many different dark prison.</v>

359
00:16:28.300 --> 00:16:31.220
They have dark prison to keep you just for some time,

360
00:16:31.220 --> 00:16:32.980
until you come interrogation.

361
00:16:32.980 --> 00:16:37.240
They have dark jail, they just use the torture.

362
00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:40.223
They have a dark jail just reducing the lights,

363
00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:45.840
and they have a dark jail, they using the sounds.

364
00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:49.513
They have a dark jail to brainwash you.

365
00:16:50.790 --> 00:16:51.623
All right?

366
00:16:51.623 --> 00:16:53.840
And I've been through all this, I know all this.

367
00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:55.920
They have some of them in Pakistan,

368
00:16:55.920 --> 00:16:57.940
they have some of them in Egypt

369
00:16:57.940 --> 00:16:59.950
and I've been through all this stuff.

370
00:16:59.950 --> 00:17:02.530
It's too many different of dark jails.

371
00:17:02.530 --> 00:17:04.743
<v Interviewer>And when you were sent to Egypt,</v>

372
00:17:04.743 --> 00:17:07.980
did you know you were going to Egypt, somewhat?

373
00:17:07.980 --> 00:17:09.870
<v ->I wasn't believe this is gonna happen.</v>

374
00:17:09.870 --> 00:17:11.640
I say to be honest,

375
00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:15.668
like say if you sit down

376
00:17:15.668 --> 00:17:18.623
and you're home and you find somebody,

377
00:17:19.550 --> 00:17:23.380
come in and you find yourself as like a

378
00:17:25.086 --> 00:17:26.910
it's a dream is no,

379
00:17:26.910 --> 00:17:28.293
I say it's a bad dream.

380
00:17:29.580 --> 00:17:31.530
No way is gonna happen but it happened.

381
00:17:32.540 --> 00:17:34.930
I wasn't believe it, he says no chance.

382
00:17:34.930 --> 00:17:36.850
<v Interviewer>Had you met any Americans by that time?</v>

383
00:17:36.850 --> 00:17:38.653
<v ->Oh yeah, well what happened is the first time,</v>

384
00:17:38.653 --> 00:17:40.940
when we come to Islamabad,

385
00:17:40.940 --> 00:17:43.100
they promise us all the time to remove me

386
00:17:43.100 --> 00:17:44.220
from place to place,

387
00:17:44.220 --> 00:17:46.680
because they doesn't want me to fight them.

388
00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:47.840
'Cause I'll fight for my life.

389
00:17:47.840 --> 00:17:49.530
Because these people is kidnap me.

390
00:17:49.530 --> 00:17:51.330
I wanna run away, I wanna do something

391
00:17:51.330 --> 00:17:53.930
to get rid of these people to go home.

392
00:17:53.930 --> 00:17:56.667
And every time they promise they say,

393
00:17:56.667 --> 00:17:59.250
"We could be for some reason for your safety,

394
00:17:59.250 --> 00:18:00.770
American kidnapping people

395
00:18:00.770 --> 00:18:02.830
would try to protect you from American."

396
00:18:02.830 --> 00:18:03.760
They lying to us.

397
00:18:03.760 --> 00:18:05.500
Until we go Islamabad they say,

398
00:18:05.500 --> 00:18:06.723
we going home now,

399
00:18:07.580 --> 00:18:09.910
because we talk with your ambassador,

400
00:18:09.910 --> 00:18:11.097
and he came in to see you,

401
00:18:11.097 --> 00:18:12.743
and he gonna send you home.

402
00:18:13.710 --> 00:18:15.300
And I wonder and I see the guy,

403
00:18:15.300 --> 00:18:16.750
his name Alistro Adam,

404
00:18:16.750 --> 00:18:21.060
from Australian embassy in Islamabad,

405
00:18:21.060 --> 00:18:23.737
and he give me his business card then he say,

406
00:18:23.737 --> 00:18:25.977
"This is what we going to do."

407
00:18:30.360 --> 00:18:32.500
<v Interviewer>What questions did the Americans ask you?</v>

408
00:18:32.500 --> 00:18:33.333
<v ->Alright,</v>

409
00:18:33.333 --> 00:18:36.611
now that's the first day that guy he come and told me

410
00:18:36.611 --> 00:18:38.100
And he told me, "You have to cooperate

411
00:18:38.100 --> 00:18:39.660
because America control the world."

412
00:18:39.660 --> 00:18:41.120
As I said in the beginning.

413
00:18:41.120 --> 00:18:42.583
And I was believing because

414
00:18:42.583 --> 00:18:45.633
there's no way what happened has happened.

415
00:18:46.862 --> 00:18:49.213
And I say, "You cooperate with American,

416
00:18:49.213 --> 00:18:52.087
there's a way, no way out."

417
00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:56.410
Then the next day have two female,

418
00:18:56.410 --> 00:18:58.470
and one man is still female.

419
00:18:58.470 --> 00:18:59.960
I think one of them is CIA

420
00:18:59.960 --> 00:19:03.520
sorry for the language is a bitch criminal.

421
00:19:03.520 --> 00:19:04.900
She is a criminal.

422
00:19:04.900 --> 00:19:06.550
She's a CIA a woman,

423
00:19:06.550 --> 00:19:08.837
that's how I was informed by Australian,

424
00:19:08.837 --> 00:19:10.720
and by the Egyptian about this woman.

425
00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:13.390
She's speak very good Egyptian,

426
00:19:13.390 --> 00:19:16.170
and she's American 100%,

427
00:19:16.170 --> 00:19:19.520
her accent is 100% American.

428
00:19:19.520 --> 00:19:21.870
And she is the one asking me.

429
00:19:21.870 --> 00:19:24.000
It's not really questions,

430
00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:25.230
is they try to set me up.

431
00:19:25.230 --> 00:19:28.900
They try to say, I am a terrorist,

432
00:19:28.900 --> 00:19:32.470
and I'm going to hijack fly,

433
00:19:32.470 --> 00:19:34.880
and I am going to do this, I wasn't.

434
00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:37.913
I wasn't agree with anything, I was laughing.

435
00:19:38.990 --> 00:19:39.950
And,

436
00:19:39.950 --> 00:19:43.080
but they have everything, they have my luggage,

437
00:19:43.080 --> 00:19:44.520
they have my document,

438
00:19:44.520 --> 00:19:45.960
they been already in my house,

439
00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:47.470
they been...

440
00:19:47.470 --> 00:19:49.310
The way she talking to me,

441
00:19:49.310 --> 00:19:51.383
like she know everyone in my family.

442
00:19:52.550 --> 00:19:55.700
That's means during the 25 day they keep me there,

443
00:19:55.700 --> 00:19:56.793
there was already,

444
00:19:58.150 --> 00:20:00.200
done good search about my life

445
00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:02.937
from my family in Egypt and my family in America,

446
00:20:02.937 --> 00:20:05.190
and my family in Australia.

447
00:20:05.190 --> 00:20:06.229
<v Interviewer>Could you just confirm,</v>

448
00:20:06.229 --> 00:20:08.449
are you a citizen are you an Australian citizen or?

449
00:20:08.449 --> 00:20:09.282
<v ->Yeah.</v>

450
00:20:09.282 --> 00:20:10.883
<v Interviewer>Or a citizen.</v>
<v ->since 82.</v>

451
00:20:13.190 --> 00:20:15.350
<v Interviewer>And did, why did they,</v>

452
00:20:15.350 --> 00:20:18.002
why did they say that about you?

453
00:20:18.002 --> 00:20:18.835
<v ->What do you mean?</v>

454
00:20:18.835 --> 00:20:21.260
<v Interviewer>That you were involved in 911,</v>

455
00:20:21.260 --> 00:20:22.383
Why did they say that?

456
00:20:25.460 --> 00:20:30.460
<v ->They have to find something to keep me, all right?</v>

457
00:20:30.870 --> 00:20:34.378
Now I didn't admit anything to them,

458
00:20:34.378 --> 00:20:39.230
and that's why in the time I was in Pakistan

459
00:20:39.230 --> 00:20:40.660
I was laughing at that people,

460
00:20:40.660 --> 00:20:43.167
because I said there's gonna be end.

461
00:20:43.167 --> 00:20:46.378
There's no way they're gonna keep me here for nothing.

462
00:20:46.378 --> 00:20:47.711
And it's no way.

463
00:20:51.030 --> 00:20:52.940
Because I am guarantee myself,

464
00:20:52.940 --> 00:20:54.990
I haven't done anything wrong to anybody.

465
00:20:56.090 --> 00:21:00.847
And I was really believe something's gonna happen,

466
00:21:03.885 --> 00:21:05.470
they're gonna release me because

467
00:21:05.470 --> 00:21:07.490
they can only way to do it,

468
00:21:07.490 --> 00:21:10.010
to get rid of me to kill me,

469
00:21:10.010 --> 00:21:12.560
or they gonna release me,

470
00:21:12.560 --> 00:21:14.800
because I haven't done anything wrong.

471
00:21:14.800 --> 00:21:16.590
But if they wanna get rid of the evidence,

472
00:21:16.590 --> 00:21:17.740
the only way they're going to kill me

473
00:21:17.740 --> 00:21:19.820
and I had to face that I'm innocent person

474
00:21:19.820 --> 00:21:21.920
if I die I will be in heaven.

475
00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:23.500
That's what I believe.

476
00:21:23.500 --> 00:21:24.840
And the time in Pakistan,

477
00:21:24.840 --> 00:21:26.810
they can't get anything from me

478
00:21:26.810 --> 00:21:29.570
because I haven't done anything to get through.

479
00:21:29.570 --> 00:21:31.373
But they try to accuse me,

480
00:21:31.373 --> 00:21:34.047
or they give me case to say up myself say,

481
00:21:34.047 --> 00:21:36.780
"Now with that mistake was you."

482
00:21:36.780 --> 00:21:38.937
But when you go back Australia what you're gonna say,

483
00:21:38.937 --> 00:21:40.980
is that I gonna say you what you did,

484
00:21:40.980 --> 00:21:44.200
you kidnap me, I've been tortured for months.

485
00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:46.490
I haven't done anything wrong say now,

486
00:21:46.490 --> 00:21:47.787
no good.

487
00:21:47.787 --> 00:21:50.320
It's not gonna work with these people.

488
00:21:50.320 --> 00:21:53.630
Now I know the people's faces and I know the names.

489
00:21:53.630 --> 00:21:56.340
What they try to do they try to brainwash me

490
00:21:56.340 --> 00:21:59.130
to get me out of what I have,

491
00:21:59.130 --> 00:22:02.430
to get me a new person as a terrorist,

492
00:22:02.430 --> 00:22:03.973
or a bad person,

493
00:22:05.150 --> 00:22:07.410
to send me back with bad record.

494
00:22:07.410 --> 00:22:08.500
Because people are gonna believe,

495
00:22:08.500 --> 00:22:09.380
oh I'm don't have baby,

496
00:22:09.380 --> 00:22:10.340
it wasn't Australia,

497
00:22:10.340 --> 00:22:12.620
it was helping refugee people.

498
00:22:12.620 --> 00:22:16.420
And in this time, they try to set up case

499
00:22:16.420 --> 00:22:19.120
against me here because all agency,

500
00:22:19.120 --> 00:22:20.430
they work together.

501
00:22:20.430 --> 00:22:22.660
Now in Australia, we Egyptian

502
00:22:22.660 --> 00:22:24.950
but Egypt cant do much about it because

503
00:22:24.950 --> 00:22:27.173
I left Egypt a young boy he's,

504
00:22:27.173 --> 00:22:29.990
yeah a guy he was 16 year old,

505
00:22:29.990 --> 00:22:31.840
he left the country, terrorists?

506
00:22:31.840 --> 00:22:33.660
They can't do anything they accuse me

507
00:22:33.660 --> 00:22:36.773
I was trying to kill Sadat.

508
00:22:37.997 --> 00:22:38.830
It's not gonna work

509
00:22:38.830 --> 00:22:41.700
because when the Sadat die, I was young person.

510
00:22:41.700 --> 00:22:43.970
Who bought this guy he gonna kill Sadat?

511
00:22:43.970 --> 00:22:44.840
Who's he?

512
00:22:44.840 --> 00:22:47.640
And I was this time in Italy as well.

513
00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:51.380
Now it's nothing to set me up and Egypt,

514
00:22:51.380 --> 00:22:52.920
and now in America,

515
00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:55.600
or what I did is nothing I was protest.

516
00:22:55.600 --> 00:22:57.510
And I was just visit United States.

517
00:22:57.510 --> 00:23:00.420
I have a family in New York and I just visit

518
00:23:00.420 --> 00:23:02.730
and people make protest against

519
00:23:02.730 --> 00:23:04.740
what happened in a court case.

520
00:23:04.740 --> 00:23:08.360
Wasn't any terrorism anything to do with this.

521
00:23:08.360 --> 00:23:10.010
And, they couldn't find anything.

522
00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:12.570
But my reputation is,

523
00:23:12.570 --> 00:23:16.270
shoot him as, give me bad person,

524
00:23:16.270 --> 00:23:20.740
because he been was Omar, Abra, Amanda, the blind Sheikh.

525
00:23:20.740 --> 00:23:23.660
He was this, he training gunfire in Australia,

526
00:23:23.660 --> 00:23:24.580
he has trained people,

527
00:23:24.580 --> 00:23:27.030
he went Afghanistan for few times,

528
00:23:27.030 --> 00:23:31.510
he being trained secretly and they make names.

529
00:23:31.510 --> 00:23:33.150
But they want me to admit it,

530
00:23:33.150 --> 00:23:34.890
they want a witness about it,

531
00:23:34.890 --> 00:23:36.690
but they have to set up all this,

532
00:23:36.690 --> 00:23:38.440
but how they going to set it up?

533
00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:40.920
And that's why they keep me longer

534
00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:42.790
to try to set up all this.

535
00:23:42.790 --> 00:23:45.230
<v Interviewer>And why do you think they sent you to Egypt?</v>

536
00:23:45.230 --> 00:23:46.850
<v ->Well because,</v>

537
00:23:46.850 --> 00:23:49.840
they have, what they gonna do to me?

538
00:23:49.840 --> 00:23:53.660
They have the only corruption country

539
00:23:54.520 --> 00:23:59.197
was as a leader and running Islamabad agencies,

540
00:24:00.420 --> 00:24:02.790
only Egypt or someone else I can't say

541
00:24:02.790 --> 00:24:05.880
but Egypt is more secure because

542
00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:08.754
they can't take me to show them because I'm not sure the is.

543
00:24:08.754 --> 00:24:10.793
The end of story is they find me there

544
00:24:10.793 --> 00:24:13.236
or they trying to set me up in Egypt.

545
00:24:13.236 --> 00:24:14.703
The end of story in Egypt.

546
00:24:14.703 --> 00:24:16.630
Well they gonna say "Oh he was..."

547
00:24:16.630 --> 00:24:19.110
And this what they try to set it up.

548
00:24:19.110 --> 00:24:21.780
He tried to do a terrorist attack in Egypt

549
00:24:21.780 --> 00:24:23.640
and we pick him up.

550
00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:24.473
We shoot him.

551
00:24:25.900 --> 00:24:26.970
He's dead.

552
00:24:26.970 --> 00:24:29.370
But doesn't work, because what happened

553
00:24:29.370 --> 00:24:30.978
the guys,

554
00:24:30.978 --> 00:24:32.440
the the two young boys from Germany,

555
00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:34.380
has been released.

556
00:24:34.380 --> 00:24:36.500
And they released some information to the media

557
00:24:36.500 --> 00:24:37.677
in Germany and say,

558
00:24:37.677 --> 00:24:40.640
"This guy he was with us in a bus."

559
00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:42.900
And I haven't done anything wrong.

560
00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:44.023
And he disappeared.

561
00:24:45.320 --> 00:24:47.927
And how come if I was in Pakistan,

562
00:24:47.927 --> 00:24:49.387
and the same time America say,

563
00:24:49.387 --> 00:24:52.280
"I will go on to do a terrorist attack in Egypt."

564
00:24:52.280 --> 00:24:53.387
Or in the same time he say,

565
00:24:53.387 --> 00:24:55.360
"Oh he was in Afghanistan fighting."

566
00:24:55.360 --> 00:24:56.360
It's not gonna work.

567
00:24:57.320 --> 00:24:58.153
<v Interviewer>Could you describe</v>

568
00:24:58.153 --> 00:24:59.843
how you were sent to Egypt?

569
00:25:01.193 --> 00:25:05.710
<v ->It's really stressing, but I'll tell you it's,</v>

570
00:25:08.730 --> 00:25:11.580
a really really stressing, all right?

571
00:25:11.580 --> 00:25:15.093
They sent me naked and it was nappies.

572
00:25:16.110 --> 00:25:17.190
They closed my mouth,

573
00:25:17.190 --> 00:25:19.850
they put some cotton in my mouth.

574
00:25:19.850 --> 00:25:23.110
Put a stick tape across my eye, it was a stick tape.

575
00:25:23.110 --> 00:25:26.460
They put it, cover was a black bag

576
00:25:26.460 --> 00:25:28.240
and they put (indistinct)

577
00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:30.610
and on top of it they put something in my ear

578
00:25:30.610 --> 00:25:31.933
to not listen to anything.

579
00:25:31.933 --> 00:25:36.000
I was like a spring roll, they all around chain around me.

580
00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:36.926
I can't say much.

581
00:25:36.926 --> 00:25:38.630
<v Interviewer>Were the Americans involved in this?</v>

582
00:25:38.630 --> 00:25:42.060
<v ->Three country, this country Australia, America,</v>

583
00:25:42.060 --> 00:25:43.910
Pakistan, Egyptian.

584
00:25:43.910 --> 00:25:45.320
<v Interviewer>And when you got to Egypt</v>

585
00:25:45.320 --> 00:25:48.133
do you know where you were taken?

586
00:25:48.990 --> 00:25:53.990
<v ->No but I know it's Cairo, when I was inside</v>

587
00:25:54.340 --> 00:25:57.360
because the people work inside the bag they carry

588
00:25:57.360 --> 00:25:59.760
but for some time I wasn't believe,

589
00:25:59.760 --> 00:26:01.663
I was thinking I'm in drugs.

590
00:26:02.740 --> 00:26:05.820
And maybe they try to make me believe I'm in Egypt.

591
00:26:05.820 --> 00:26:08.010
Because I wasn't believe, is long say,

592
00:26:08.010 --> 00:26:11.057
because I was like shocked when they take me in the fly

593
00:26:11.057 --> 00:26:13.470
and the way they done it to me

594
00:26:13.470 --> 00:26:16.770
and why they transfer me is incredible.

595
00:26:16.770 --> 00:26:18.150
It's not human.

596
00:26:18.150 --> 00:26:20.980
This people I'm not call them as a human being,

597
00:26:20.980 --> 00:26:24.860
is the way they done it to me and they move me to the fly.

598
00:26:24.860 --> 00:26:27.610
And I wasn't believe it to be.

599
00:26:27.610 --> 00:26:28.693
<v Interviewer>When you were injured,</v>

600
00:26:28.693 --> 00:26:30.300
were the Americans present?

601
00:26:30.300 --> 00:26:31.910
<v ->Oh yeah, the American</v>

602
00:26:32.830 --> 00:26:36.430
like the leader the people they, in control.

603
00:26:36.430 --> 00:26:39.330
It's not, it's not, it's not, it's not Egypt.

604
00:26:39.330 --> 00:26:40.163
<v Interviewer>How do you know that?</v>

605
00:26:40.163 --> 00:26:44.850
<v ->The people when American, say Egyptian is not in control.</v>

606
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:49.320
Australia is not in control.

607
00:26:49.320 --> 00:26:51.503
But they have to be there.

608
00:26:52.490 --> 00:26:56.430
Like now you are in charge of this group.

609
00:26:56.430 --> 00:27:00.730
Like you're filming and you tell these people what to do.

610
00:27:00.730 --> 00:27:03.150
You pay him to do this for you.

611
00:27:03.150 --> 00:27:06.763
You make a contract to tell him what to do.

612
00:27:07.840 --> 00:27:11.710
And these people they have to work as what they're told.

613
00:27:11.710 --> 00:27:13.413
They know everything they do it.

614
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:18.270
They are in the hotel, he pay and he give you the room,

615
00:27:18.270 --> 00:27:19.650
the man who have the camera,

616
00:27:19.650 --> 00:27:21.600
he do what you told him to do.

617
00:27:21.600 --> 00:27:23.300
The lady she's clean up

618
00:27:23.300 --> 00:27:25.810
to put the chair and set up everything,

619
00:27:25.810 --> 00:27:26.643
they know about.

620
00:27:26.643 --> 00:27:30.420
They know they doing like their job.

621
00:27:30.420 --> 00:27:33.173
But who employed them to do it, is the United States.

622
00:27:33.173 --> 00:27:34.350
It's America.

623
00:27:34.350 --> 00:27:35.590
<v Interviewer>Did Americans talk to you</v>

624
00:27:35.590 --> 00:27:36.560
while you were in Egypt?

625
00:27:36.560 --> 00:27:38.403
<v ->Yeah, it's all in them they talk to me.</v>

626
00:27:38.403 --> 00:27:39.949
<v Interviewer>And do you know what questions they ask you?</v>

627
00:27:39.949 --> 00:27:41.390
<v ->There's no questions.</v>

628
00:27:41.390 --> 00:27:43.093
They have no questions to ask.

629
00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:45.603
They tell me what to say.

630
00:27:46.800 --> 00:27:47.760
<v Interviewer>What did they tell you to say?</v>

631
00:27:47.760 --> 00:27:52.760
<v ->They tell me, I have to be a witness against people,</v>

632
00:27:52.770 --> 00:27:55.793
to protect myself to go home.

633
00:27:56.910 --> 00:28:01.040
Or I have to say, "Yes I was a stupid,

634
00:28:01.040 --> 00:28:03.690
and I tried to do something wrong

635
00:28:03.690 --> 00:28:06.557
and I'm sorry for what I did."

636
00:28:07.900 --> 00:28:10.483
There's two way, to be a witness against somebody,

637
00:28:11.830 --> 00:28:14.617
or to be accusing yourself,

638
00:28:14.617 --> 00:28:19.140
and it was a stupid in this time and that you agree.

639
00:28:19.140 --> 00:28:21.990
<v Interviewer>And do you know what agencies were involved?</v>

640
00:28:21.990 --> 00:28:23.370
<v ->Listen, its too many.</v>

641
00:28:23.370 --> 00:28:26.253
The CIA and FBI is just both of them they all involved.

642
00:28:29.330 --> 00:28:32.417
But the man the main the run the business is CIA.

643
00:28:33.380 --> 00:28:34.931
They fly by CIA,

644
00:28:34.931 --> 00:28:37.320
they own the control of all this things

645
00:28:37.320 --> 00:28:42.220
because now I discover all this stuff recently too,

646
00:28:42.220 --> 00:28:45.370
because the people working together,

647
00:28:45.370 --> 00:28:47.463
the more in control the CIA.

648
00:28:48.320 --> 00:28:50.043
FBI they have a limit,

649
00:28:51.130 --> 00:28:53.950
but the CIA because all the dirty business,

650
00:28:53.950 --> 00:28:58.010
the fly to go and country to country, the kidnapping,

651
00:28:58.010 --> 00:29:01.280
the torture, all the CIA business.

652
00:29:01.280 --> 00:29:02.561
<v Interviewer>Could you...</v>

653
00:29:02.561 --> 00:29:07.561
<v ->FBI is just to come to take his right information.</v>

654
00:29:08.820 --> 00:29:09.933
He have a limits.

655
00:29:11.070 --> 00:29:13.840
<v Interviewer>And I know it's stressful,</v>

656
00:29:13.840 --> 00:29:14.673
but can you tell us a little bit

657
00:29:14.673 --> 00:29:16.320
about how you are treated in Egypt?

658
00:29:20.050 --> 00:29:24.603
I know you've written about it and you've talked about it.

659
00:29:27.300 --> 00:29:29.260
<v ->Egypt it's not mercy, all right?</v>

660
00:29:29.260 --> 00:29:34.260
That's why some of the CIA official is,

661
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:40.160
they given evidence to I think one of DVD,

662
00:29:40.193 --> 00:29:42.500
they've given evidence.

663
00:29:42.500 --> 00:29:44.360
And they say it's a free country,

664
00:29:44.360 --> 00:29:49.360
the American youth, Syria, Jordan, Egypt.

665
00:29:50.370 --> 00:29:55.263
They say America use this Jordan to take information.

666
00:29:56.520 --> 00:29:59.740
If you want a good information, good result of information,

667
00:29:59.740 --> 00:30:04.740
take your victim or take your whoever, whatever you call it.

668
00:30:07.210 --> 00:30:09.850
Take him to Jordan to take information.

669
00:30:09.850 --> 00:30:14.850
If you wanna a good torture and result from torture,

670
00:30:15.140 --> 00:30:17.420
take him to Syria.

671
00:30:17.420 --> 00:30:20.380
If you want somebody and they want him back again,

672
00:30:20.380 --> 00:30:21.673
send them to Egypt.

673
00:30:23.050 --> 00:30:25.680
And is it true, since I have forgot the name of the guy.

674
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:28.351
He is from CIA official.

675
00:30:28.351 --> 00:30:29.184
<v Interviewer>Did you see See,</v>

676
00:30:29.184 --> 00:30:30.017
<v ->American.</v>

677
00:30:30.017 --> 00:30:31.180
<v Interviewer>other Americans in Egypt?</v>

678
00:30:31.180 --> 00:30:32.013
<v ->Oh yeah. Plenty.</v>

679
00:30:32.013 --> 00:30:34.943
Say it's American. (sighs)

680
00:30:35.967 --> 00:30:37.600
I know a lot of American.

681
00:30:37.600 --> 00:30:41.170
And until, until today,

682
00:30:41.170 --> 00:30:44.340
this people go and Egyptian agency

683
00:30:44.340 --> 00:30:46.920
and they have really communication.

684
00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:50.590
And I was until before last time I go to Egypt

685
00:30:50.590 --> 00:30:52.300
and saw in the Egyptian government.

686
00:30:52.300 --> 00:30:56.313
I wasn't from truly Australian agency

687
00:30:56.313 --> 00:30:58.420
to not suing Omar Suleiman,

688
00:30:58.420 --> 00:31:01.190
the head of the agency in Egypt,

689
00:31:01.190 --> 00:31:04.410
because he's a good relation between him

690
00:31:04.410 --> 00:31:06.092
and the United State.

691
00:31:06.092 --> 00:31:09.710
And then in the United States this mean Australia aside.

692
00:31:09.710 --> 00:31:12.280
The agency, the biggest head for,

693
00:31:12.280 --> 00:31:15.380
for America use is Omar Suleiman his agency.

694
00:31:15.380 --> 00:31:16.213
And I saw him.

695
00:31:16.213 --> 00:31:19.008
Now I put him, excuse me,

696
00:31:19.008 --> 00:31:21.293
I have a case against him in Egypt.

697
00:31:23.478 --> 00:31:26.310
<v Interviewer>And how long were you in Egypt?</v>

698
00:31:26.310 --> 00:31:29.240
<v ->I have there, they keep me for six months.</v>

699
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:31.900
<v Interviewer>And did you think you'd ever get out?</v>

700
00:31:31.900 --> 00:31:34.012
<v ->I wasn't believed we're gonna be survive.</v>

701
00:31:34.012 --> 00:31:36.220
<v Interviewer>You didn't?</v>
<v ->Noway?</v>

702
00:31:36.220 --> 00:31:39.070
This is why I was fighting say six,

703
00:31:39.070 --> 00:31:44.070
six months of my life in Egypt, I was every day, a fight.

704
00:31:47.008 --> 00:31:48.003
<v Interviewer>Why is it?</v>

705
00:31:48.003 --> 00:31:51.533
<v ->A fight was a god to die, say a fight to them, to,</v>

706
00:31:52.450 --> 00:31:55.293
I want him to take his life or he take my life.

707
00:31:56.950 --> 00:32:00.163
Because I believe it's, it's not, it's no way out.

708
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:03.190
<v Interviewer>And how did you, how did you endure?</v>

709
00:32:03.190 --> 00:32:06.200
How did you cope between those six years?

710
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:09.170
<v ->This is, is to believe in God.</v>

711
00:32:09.170 --> 00:32:10.490
This is, is,

712
00:32:10.490 --> 00:32:13.310
is I had the faith

713
00:32:14.380 --> 00:32:18.630
and I believe God is very close to everybody.

714
00:32:18.630 --> 00:32:22.220
And if you're innocent person, is God protect you.

715
00:32:22.220 --> 00:32:24.451
And I did, I did protect from God.

716
00:32:24.451 --> 00:32:26.347
<v Interviewer>What religion are you?</v>

717
00:32:26.347 --> 00:32:27.780
I'm Muslim.

718
00:32:27.780 --> 00:32:29.680
<v Interviewer>And you, did you get a Quran</v>

719
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:30.709
while you were injured?

720
00:32:30.709 --> 00:32:31.610
(scoffs)

721
00:32:31.610 --> 00:32:33.943
<v ->You believe in it or not.</v>

722
00:32:35.227 --> 00:32:37.330
The first time I'm alive,

723
00:32:37.330 --> 00:32:39.530
I believe some people,

724
00:32:39.530 --> 00:32:41.443
they, doesn't put the Quran per place.

725
00:32:42.322 --> 00:32:46.240
They have a missing words of the Quran.

726
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:48.570
They want to give it to people inside.

727
00:32:48.570 --> 00:32:51.730
They make fun, if they are Muslim as a name,

728
00:32:51.730 --> 00:32:52.587
but they never even,

729
00:32:52.587 --> 00:32:56.176
I believe this people as a Muslim.

730
00:32:56.176 --> 00:32:57.720
They bunch of criminal,

731
00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:59.700
they don't respect any religion

732
00:32:59.700 --> 00:33:02.754
and everyone they're Omar, Ahmed, Mohammed

733
00:33:02.754 --> 00:33:05.180
but who care?

734
00:33:05.180 --> 00:33:06.060
It's doesn't matter.

735
00:33:06.060 --> 00:33:08.830
It doesn't matter what religion I am,

736
00:33:08.830 --> 00:33:12.260
the matter is, what do you belief?

737
00:33:12.260 --> 00:33:14.110
Are you honest belief?

738
00:33:14.110 --> 00:33:16.893
What's your belief or you don't believe in?

739
00:33:17.930 --> 00:33:18.763
I say,

740
00:33:18.763 --> 00:33:23.763
if you are a human being, a Jewish, a Christian or Muslim,

741
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:27.913
a Buddhist, whatever you believe for your own benefit.

742
00:33:28.930 --> 00:33:32.513
But the benefit is, I get it from you the treatment.

743
00:33:34.820 --> 00:33:37.030
When you treat me well,

744
00:33:37.030 --> 00:33:41.023
you present your religion and in a way who you are.

745
00:33:42.320 --> 00:33:44.726
A lot of Isis, what's is it?

746
00:33:44.726 --> 00:33:47.610
It's so many people as a hypocrite Muslim.

747
00:33:47.610 --> 00:33:50.410
If David Hicks, he gone in Islam.

748
00:33:50.410 --> 00:33:51.430
For how long?

749
00:33:51.430 --> 00:33:54.380
It's sometimes he learned,

750
00:33:54.380 --> 00:33:56.860
he know Quran better me.

751
00:33:56.860 --> 00:34:00.133
He know the Quran three quarters of the Quran by heart.

752
00:34:01.290 --> 00:34:05.530
But what he's saying now, he say the Osama Bin Laden

753
00:34:05.530 --> 00:34:06.363
he's an idiot.

754
00:34:06.363 --> 00:34:09.110
He was next door and he loved him.

755
00:34:09.110 --> 00:34:12.600
He was leaving with him until today.

756
00:34:12.600 --> 00:34:14.170
I'm not gonna say Osama bin Laden

757
00:34:14.170 --> 00:34:15.973
is a bad person or is a good person.

758
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:21.820
Nobody know what is attention until you listen,

759
00:34:21.820 --> 00:34:23.800
you hear from himself.

760
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:25.130
What he tell you,

761
00:34:25.130 --> 00:34:29.170
you have to believe what he's doing himself.

762
00:34:29.170 --> 00:34:30.570
I have to present it.

763
00:34:30.570 --> 00:34:33.820
But because the government said that I have to follow it.

764
00:34:33.820 --> 00:34:35.237
You a man, I live with these people.

765
00:34:35.237 --> 00:34:39.930
You're being pay by the his home.

766
00:34:39.930 --> 00:34:42.450
They call it is, like here in Australia.

767
00:34:42.450 --> 00:34:45.430
They have center link.

768
00:34:45.430 --> 00:34:47.740
You know what center link, the people paying you.

769
00:34:47.740 --> 00:34:50.910
If you can't afford to work all this,

770
00:34:50.910 --> 00:34:53.310
they have a similar thing in Afghanistan.

771
00:34:53.310 --> 00:34:55.490
Who pays this people in Afghanistan?

772
00:34:55.490 --> 00:34:57.473
They come from Osama Bin Laden's money.

773
00:34:58.610 --> 00:35:00.770
People will not work on employment.

774
00:35:00.770 --> 00:35:04.410
David Hicks was paying every week or every month.

775
00:35:04.410 --> 00:35:07.390
I see with my own eye under his pillow.

776
00:35:07.390 --> 00:35:08.660
He can say, you're a lawyer.

777
00:35:08.660 --> 00:35:10.320
I want to face him.

778
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:11.153
He'd tell me your lying.

779
00:35:11.153 --> 00:35:13.000
This is all his money.

780
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:14.090
And he came in with a story,

781
00:35:14.090 --> 00:35:16.920
he say Osama Bin Laden I am he is gone.

782
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:18.633
He used to pay you for years.

783
00:35:19.676 --> 00:35:20.900
Don't be hypocrite.

784
00:35:20.900 --> 00:35:25.900
Islam as person is not acceptable the Islam to be hypocrite

785
00:35:26.740 --> 00:35:27.763
or two faces.

786
00:35:28.890 --> 00:35:33.520
I believe you are a good person until you prove you wrong,

787
00:35:33.520 --> 00:35:35.103
you are not good person.

788
00:35:36.510 --> 00:35:39.730
I can't accuse you for bad person

789
00:35:39.730 --> 00:35:41.870
until I see you do something.

790
00:35:41.870 --> 00:35:42.743
You done it.

791
00:35:44.524 --> 00:35:46.640
<v Interviewer>And how do you know about David Hicks?</v>

792
00:35:46.640 --> 00:35:49.190
<v ->Ah, David Hicks.</v>

793
00:35:49.190 --> 00:35:50.023
I was,

794
00:35:51.230 --> 00:35:53.223
I saw him first time in 2000.

795
00:35:55.173 --> 00:35:56.006
What happened?

796
00:35:56.006 --> 00:35:58.360
I've been harassing by Australian as you

797
00:35:58.360 --> 00:35:59.903
and the Federal Police.

798
00:36:02.150 --> 00:36:07.150
Because America was planning to sometimes ago to,

799
00:36:07.650 --> 00:36:11.827
to attack Afghanistan and they want a people advertise it.

800
00:36:12.812 --> 00:36:15.640
They want a people opinion.

801
00:36:15.640 --> 00:36:16.520
All right.

802
00:36:16.520 --> 00:36:18.680
They wanna know what's going on around the world

803
00:36:18.680 --> 00:36:22.520
because America doesn't disturb anyone wanna go war.

804
00:36:22.520 --> 00:36:24.680
Doesn't disturb you just to jump in

805
00:36:24.680 --> 00:36:25.910
like I gonna across the river.

806
00:36:25.910 --> 00:36:27.950
I don't know how far I've got my neck.

807
00:36:27.950 --> 00:36:31.860
I have go down there,

808
00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:36.030
no they wanna check up what's before they start,

809
00:36:36.030 --> 00:36:37.550
what's gonna happen.

810
00:36:37.550 --> 00:36:42.320
And now they've been looking around what happened to me.

811
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:43.623
I know too much.

812
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:49.290
And that's why David Hicks when I left Australia,

813
00:36:49.290 --> 00:36:51.240
I have a business to looking for.

814
00:36:51.240 --> 00:36:55.750
I used to try to find any in the beginning

815
00:36:55.750 --> 00:36:58.923
to get out of Australia because I feel fully racism.

816
00:36:59.860 --> 00:37:01.300
To me I feel the stress,

817
00:37:01.300 --> 00:37:04.260
I was sick, I lost my business.

818
00:37:04.260 --> 00:37:05.100
They make me look.

819
00:37:05.100 --> 00:37:07.790
They put me in pressure and I was really sick

820
00:37:07.790 --> 00:37:09.090
and tired of it.

821
00:37:09.090 --> 00:37:11.460
And I wanna find my life.

822
00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:15.000
And I want, I told my wife, we're gonna go anywhere.

823
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:16.720
I go to Asia, I went to Egypt.

824
00:37:16.720 --> 00:37:19.120
Egypt is the same system.

825
00:37:19.120 --> 00:37:19.997
We try to find the,

826
00:37:19.997 --> 00:37:22.283
you see someone sick and tired of people around him.

827
00:37:22.283 --> 00:37:25.850
They wanna go somewhere else fresh.

828
00:37:25.850 --> 00:37:29.130
And I've been in a process to do it.

829
00:37:29.130 --> 00:37:30.360
I went first time Pakistan,

830
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:32.247
and I went Egypt.

831
00:37:32.247 --> 00:37:34.110
I went Emirates and different countries

832
00:37:34.110 --> 00:37:35.900
to step first step.

833
00:37:35.900 --> 00:37:38.740
And when I was in Pakistan, because by myself,

834
00:37:38.740 --> 00:37:42.270
I tried to find the cheapest way to live.

835
00:37:42.270 --> 00:37:44.440
They have a house as they call (indistinct)

836
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:46.250
this houses like a Dow,

837
00:37:46.250 --> 00:37:48.410
where people didn't know what is.

838
00:37:48.410 --> 00:37:51.430
They have a people advertising the Islam.

839
00:37:51.430 --> 00:37:52.670
They have houses,

840
00:37:52.670 --> 00:37:55.430
so many of these houses in Pakistan.

841
00:37:55.430 --> 00:37:59.803
And this (indistinct) run by Pakistani government.

842
00:38:00.770 --> 00:38:01.603
All right.

843
00:38:02.930 --> 00:38:04.320
These houses, they doesn't,

844
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:08.303
you know pay a cent to live there for food or sleep.

845
00:38:10.050 --> 00:38:11.277
And people advise me say,

846
00:38:11.277 --> 00:38:13.700
"Oh, if you wanna go Pakistan free."

847
00:38:13.700 --> 00:38:14.760
Because people would go from mosque to mosque say,

848
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:17.650
you don't have to go mosque, just to go in the house.

849
00:38:17.650 --> 00:38:18.650
So this house is,

850
00:38:18.650 --> 00:38:23.650
they feed you and they give you the room to sleep.

851
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:27.573
Laying out once the area was the hole.

852
00:38:28.740 --> 00:38:31.680
And I went to one of these houses,

853
00:38:31.680 --> 00:38:35.423
was David Hicks stay in this house in 2000.

854
00:38:37.370 --> 00:38:41.800
And it was his (indistinct)

855
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:44.020
And on me, it was him.

856
00:38:44.020 --> 00:38:45.583
He was to study Quran.

857
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:51.120
I saw him for about six, seven hours on my time.

858
00:38:51.120 --> 00:38:53.720
Because I went there about to in the afternoon

859
00:38:53.720 --> 00:38:57.053
or maybe mid-day.

860
00:38:58.130 --> 00:39:01.490
And I sit with him was the one guy from Saudi Arabia

861
00:39:01.490 --> 00:39:05.230
his name Ahmed, until at night 10 o'clock.

862
00:39:05.230 --> 00:39:07.910
He lift his sleigh bed because next day

863
00:39:07.910 --> 00:39:12.910
he was sent to study, university Islam in (indistinct)

864
00:39:14.292 --> 00:39:17.190
the (indistinct) to study.

865
00:39:17.190 --> 00:39:21.970
And he was like against fully Afghanistan.

866
00:39:21.970 --> 00:39:26.490
He called him a stupid, not religious.

867
00:39:26.490 --> 00:39:30.920
And he's against Osama Bin Laden, against Taliban.

868
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:35.190
And he have really give a lot of comment about Afghanistan.

869
00:39:35.190 --> 00:39:39.483
They said this, these people Kafir non Muslim.

870
00:39:42.200 --> 00:39:43.580
And I was against what he said,

871
00:39:43.580 --> 00:39:47.610
because so why you have decided about somebody

872
00:39:47.610 --> 00:39:49.020
you never believe was sinner,

873
00:39:49.020 --> 00:39:51.290
I live with, I was there and come back,

874
00:39:51.290 --> 00:39:53.610
he doesn't like the life and came back to

875
00:39:54.889 --> 00:39:57.470
(indistinct) because he feels (indistinct)

876
00:39:57.470 --> 00:40:00.180
is a good people and they didn't do anything

877
00:40:00.180 --> 00:40:04.670
And he, he wants to fight for Kashmir,

878
00:40:04.670 --> 00:40:06.003
the Indian people.

879
00:40:07.050 --> 00:40:10.790
And I wasn't really believe I was thinking

880
00:40:12.150 --> 00:40:16.800
his as official or he worked for some Asian things.

881
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:18.840
Cause the way he talk is openly,

882
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:23.693
and he gets too much different issues.

883
00:40:24.820 --> 00:40:28.510
I was for him in 2000, I saw him in this house.

884
00:40:28.510 --> 00:40:29.970
About 10 o'clock,

885
00:40:29.970 --> 00:40:32.590
he went to sleep and I want to see this guy.

886
00:40:32.590 --> 00:40:33.591
We went for a coffee and I wasn't really

887
00:40:33.591 --> 00:40:38.591
have a good feeling about him.

888
00:40:39.830 --> 00:40:42.700
But he mentions this day about some people in Australia,

889
00:40:42.700 --> 00:40:45.077
one of them, they call Balal Ghazal.

890
00:40:45.077 --> 00:40:47.190
This guy is being accused here in Australia

891
00:40:47.190 --> 00:40:49.693
for the tried to blow it up McDonald and Lebanon.

892
00:40:50.670 --> 00:40:55.670
But some make you say it's, that's what I say.

893
00:40:55.890 --> 00:40:57.683
In the beginning of this show,

894
00:40:59.550 --> 00:41:01.410
the government love a terrorist.

895
00:41:01.410 --> 00:41:03.880
They want a terrorist business running,

896
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:05.770
because this guy is named Balal Ghazal,

897
00:41:05.770 --> 00:41:07.310
he's been protected even

898
00:41:08.200 --> 00:41:10.363
by Australian agencies as you,

899
00:41:11.987 --> 00:41:15.660
he was accused for attacking McDonald and Lebanon

900
00:41:15.660 --> 00:41:16.750
and blew it up.

901
00:41:16.750 --> 00:41:17.903
Now he's out of jail.

902
00:41:18.990 --> 00:41:23.990
The, as you go in in 2009 or seven, given evidence, he said,

903
00:41:25.683 --> 00:41:30.623
he's a good friendship with us the officials.

904
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:34.490
And-

905
00:41:34.490 --> 00:41:36.932
<v Interviewer>Was Jack Thomas around at that time too?</v>

906
00:41:36.932 --> 00:41:38.003
<v ->Jack Thomas.</v>

907
00:41:40.610 --> 00:41:42.560
What I find out from David first time,

908
00:41:42.560 --> 00:41:46.070
when I come back in Australia, I got so much,

909
00:41:46.070 --> 00:41:47.890
they mentioned about some people,

910
00:41:47.890 --> 00:41:48.958
but he doesn't give me names,

911
00:41:48.958 --> 00:41:52.587
but the name, he gives it to me Balal Ghazal.

912
00:41:54.424 --> 00:41:58.370
And Balal Ghazal, he's here in Lakemba in Sydney,

913
00:41:58.370 --> 00:42:01.210
said this guy from different city

914
00:42:01.210 --> 00:42:05.755
and how come he knows Balal Ghazal,

915
00:42:05.755 --> 00:42:10.020
but Balal Ghazal he was with him in the house

916
00:42:10.020 --> 00:42:11.780
and had promised he wanted to send him

917
00:42:11.780 --> 00:42:13.000
to get married at his sister.

918
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.420
That's what David Hicks thinks told me.

919
00:42:15.420 --> 00:42:17.040
And when I asked Balal Ghazal,

920
00:42:17.040 --> 00:42:21.420
people know him in Lakemba, I don't him much.

921
00:42:21.420 --> 00:42:24.480
And they say they have a different one, but I was,

922
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.140
I was believed it's this day, if it takes over Jack Thomas,

923
00:42:27.140 --> 00:42:28.553
I wasn't know Jack Thomas.

924
00:42:29.640 --> 00:42:34.640
But when I go a second time in 2000, in Afghanistan,

925
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:38.070
I see Jack Thomas, myself.

926
00:42:38.070 --> 00:42:42.590
He's a bigger mama, he look at taller Benny, he's a leader.

927
00:42:42.590 --> 00:42:47.430
He have a group of people behind him security.

928
00:42:47.430 --> 00:42:49.970
And he didn't wanna talk to me.

929
00:42:49.970 --> 00:42:52.470
And David Hicks said, Oh, he said, "Do you know these guy?"

930
00:42:52.470 --> 00:42:53.574
I said "No."

931
00:42:53.574 --> 00:42:56.660
Now is this guy, but he looks white.

932
00:42:56.660 --> 00:42:58.566
It's not really Afghan.

933
00:42:58.566 --> 00:42:59.399
He said, this is Australian.

934
00:42:59.399 --> 00:43:01.047
And I said, "Can I talk to him?"

935
00:43:01.047 --> 00:43:02.554
He said, "No."

936
00:43:02.554 --> 00:43:05.270
He said he doesn't trust you.

937
00:43:05.270 --> 00:43:08.623
And for his protection, he can't talk to you.

938
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:10.593
And i say, "Why he talked to you?"

939
00:43:10.593 --> 00:43:14.480
He said, "Because I know him, even from Australia."

940
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:16.600
And said, well, what's,

941
00:43:16.600 --> 00:43:18.470
what's the protection.

942
00:43:18.470 --> 00:43:21.320
I said, well, he doesn't want to talk to you.

943
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:24.130
And for security.

944
00:43:24.130 --> 00:43:25.193
So, all right.

945
00:43:26.160 --> 00:43:29.040
And when I noticed,

946
00:43:29.040 --> 00:43:33.053
because as you went to try to employ me in Pakistan,

947
00:43:33.950 --> 00:43:37.320
he showed me his photo and another lady,

948
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:39.360
her name Robbie Hutchison.

949
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:40.420
She was Australian lady.

950
00:43:40.420 --> 00:43:44.480
She was in Afghanistan for maybe six years or 10 years.

951
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:45.800
She's dead.

952
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:50.173
And her kids and everything makes sense after it.

953
00:43:51.183 --> 00:43:53.210
<v Interviewer>What was she doing there?</v>

954
00:43:53.210 --> 00:43:55.410
<v ->She was a nurse.</v>

955
00:43:55.410 --> 00:43:57.010
<v Interviewer>Working for who?</v>

956
00:43:58.483 --> 00:44:02.163
<v ->I think you should read her book, "Arabi Hatchson."</v>

957
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:05.080
What do they call her book.

958
00:44:05.080 --> 00:44:06.300
I don't remember her book.

959
00:44:06.300 --> 00:44:08.350
What they call it is it's, "Hidden Australia."

960
00:44:08.350 --> 00:44:10.440
It was her book she has been released.

961
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:14.203
And this, this light as you given me her photo and her son,

962
00:44:15.040 --> 00:44:16.820
his name Mustapha.

963
00:44:16.820 --> 00:44:21.820
And also a guy, his name, Matthew Stewart.

964
00:44:23.627 --> 00:44:27.180
Why? Why are you always after me?

965
00:44:27.180 --> 00:44:28.800
Because they give me information

966
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:30.750
and that's why they send me in Egypt too.

967
00:44:30.750 --> 00:44:33.100
They give me a lot of information.

968
00:44:33.100 --> 00:44:36.320
Cause they're tried to employ me and I had I refuse

969
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:40.090
and I recorded when I talk with Andrea,

970
00:44:40.090 --> 00:44:42.480
I record what they asked me for.

971
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:45.600
And they scared if I go back and I release this information,

972
00:44:45.600 --> 00:44:46.980
they're going to be in trouble.

973
00:44:46.980 --> 00:44:48.566
<v Interviewer>Any information you've got from David Hicks</v>

974
00:44:48.566 --> 00:44:49.399
and Jack Thomas.

975
00:44:49.399 --> 00:44:50.323
And would you like to help us.

976
00:44:50.323 --> 00:44:52.833
<v ->That's the information I got at later on.</v>

977
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:55.280
Now from Jack Thomas,

978
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:58.590
Jack Thomas, I got his information from David Hicks.

979
00:44:58.590 --> 00:44:59.423
But the,

980
00:45:00.370 --> 00:45:01.710
what matters to you were the guy,

981
00:45:01.710 --> 00:45:03.200
he's still now, until today.

982
00:45:03.200 --> 00:45:06.420
He's a military officer from Australia.

983
00:45:06.420 --> 00:45:09.060
He fighting now until now in Afghanistan

984
00:45:09.060 --> 00:45:11.430
against United States of America and he's Australian.

985
00:45:11.430 --> 00:45:13.230
He's a military.

986
00:45:13.230 --> 00:45:14.563
His name Mathew Stewart.

987
00:45:16.200 --> 00:45:17.633
When I came in Australia,

988
00:45:18.720 --> 00:45:22.340
they showed him a photo, someone released in video.

989
00:45:22.340 --> 00:45:25.090
And I say, I stood up for Afghanistan.

990
00:45:25.090 --> 00:45:27.610
And I gonna fight against America.

991
00:45:27.610 --> 00:45:29.970
And I gonna fight against every single American,

992
00:45:29.970 --> 00:45:33.717
coming Afghanistan and Australian official said,

993
00:45:33.717 --> 00:45:35.987
"Oh, this sounds like a Britain."

994
00:45:37.180 --> 00:45:40.810
But this, his photo, give it to me.

995
00:45:40.810 --> 00:45:43.610
When I was in Afghanistan and Pakistan

996
00:45:43.610 --> 00:45:46.170
by as the official when they tried to employ me,

997
00:45:46.170 --> 00:45:50.172
they gave me this photo and I was surprised as you

998
00:45:50.172 --> 00:45:51.710
and the Australian media.

999
00:45:51.710 --> 00:45:56.710
So this guy, he looks like he is a Britain.

1000
00:45:58.020 --> 00:45:59.900
And now we have no idea about him.

1001
00:45:59.900 --> 00:46:01.650
If you ask Australian official now

1002
00:46:01.650 --> 00:46:03.870
or Australian government about Mathew Stewart,

1003
00:46:03.870 --> 00:46:04.703
they're going to say,

1004
00:46:04.703 --> 00:46:06.290
"We'll have no idea."

1005
00:46:06.290 --> 00:46:09.760
But this guy he's in a military official.

1006
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:11.530
He went to Afghanistan in 2001,

1007
00:46:12.790 --> 00:46:15.130
he fight against United States and Australia,

1008
00:46:15.130 --> 00:46:18.380
he was a military who was in Indonesia,

1009
00:46:18.380 --> 00:46:23.380
what they call as Estimo.

1010
00:46:23.430 --> 00:46:25.780
And because the corruption of the military

1011
00:46:25.780 --> 00:46:28.930
and what happened, sexual stuff, and all this,

1012
00:46:28.930 --> 00:46:30.380
he left and he ran away.

1013
00:46:30.380 --> 00:46:32.223
He went up Afghanistan.

1014
00:46:33.260 --> 00:46:35.810
<v Interviewer>Did you ever meet John Walker Land?</v>

1015
00:46:36.834 --> 00:46:39.100
He was the American (indistinct)

1016
00:46:39.100 --> 00:46:41.020
<v ->Yes. The white guy.</v>

1017
00:46:41.020 --> 00:46:42.285
The big one. Yes.

1018
00:46:42.285 --> 00:46:44.063
<v Interviewer>Where did you meet him?</v>

1019
00:46:44.063 --> 00:46:45.273
<v ->In Kandahar.</v>

1020
00:46:46.210 --> 00:46:47.450
<v Interviewer>How did you meet him?</v>

1021
00:46:47.450 --> 00:46:48.300
<v ->In the kitchen.</v>

1022
00:46:50.020 --> 00:46:51.023
He doing food.

1023
00:46:51.870 --> 00:46:52.997
<v Interviewer>He was doing?</v>

1024
00:46:52.997 --> 00:46:53.830
<v ->Yeah.</v>

1025
00:46:53.830 --> 00:46:55.197
When I went Afghanistan,

1026
00:46:55.197 --> 00:47:00.197
it was really people to me is they accuse as a stranger.

1027
00:47:02.380 --> 00:47:05.930
Because David Hikes he may give me better protection

1028
00:47:05.930 --> 00:47:07.053
as I'm a spy.

1029
00:47:08.410 --> 00:47:09.770
<v Interviewer>David Hicks called you a spy?</v>

1030
00:47:09.770 --> 00:47:10.790
<v ->Yeah, he told people,</v>

1031
00:47:10.790 --> 00:47:12.530
he doesn't tell me myself

1032
00:47:12.530 --> 00:47:15.780
but he tell the people in Afghanistan, I'm a spy.

1033
00:47:15.780 --> 00:47:18.463
I'm a CIA or as the official.

1034
00:47:19.500 --> 00:47:22.110
My life wasn't risking it in Afghanistan.

1035
00:47:22.110 --> 00:47:25.380
But everybody talking to me I was very careful with me.

1036
00:47:25.380 --> 00:47:26.340
All right.

1037
00:47:26.340 --> 00:47:28.843
Now to my position,

1038
00:47:32.790 --> 00:47:35.610
because actually, maybe you got confused.

1039
00:47:35.610 --> 00:47:40.490
Why I'm being in Afghanistan in the beginning when I was,

1040
00:47:41.780 --> 00:47:46.780
and I want to Pakistan and someone is being killed.

1041
00:47:48.020 --> 00:47:52.530
And because of me, they, his name Gatony.

1042
00:47:52.530 --> 00:47:55.400
And because this man, he won my employer,

1043
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:58.590
he take me to Saudi Arabia.

1044
00:47:58.590 --> 00:48:01.453
I'm going to work for him, as a contractor.

1045
00:48:03.315 --> 00:48:06.720
And when we did record them for assay to try to employ me

1046
00:48:07.928 --> 00:48:09.367
and I went to him, I said,

1047
00:48:09.367 --> 00:48:12.120
"I'll be in under pressure of the Australian officials.

1048
00:48:12.120 --> 00:48:13.330
They want to employ me."

1049
00:48:13.330 --> 00:48:17.150
He said, don't worry just to go meet with them, recording.

1050
00:48:17.150 --> 00:48:21.410
And we filming him and we make him look bad in the media.

1051
00:48:21.410 --> 00:48:22.463
We protect you.

1052
00:48:24.160 --> 00:48:26.340
And what it did, I did what he said.

1053
00:48:26.340 --> 00:48:28.880
And I take the photo of the Azure official.

1054
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:31.610
And I record the conversation.

1055
00:48:31.610 --> 00:48:33.730
And when did tell me about Trabia

1056
00:48:33.730 --> 00:48:36.800
and the guy from Manchester woods

1057
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:38.840
and Jack Thomas and all this stuff,

1058
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:41.630
all this in my tape recording,

1059
00:48:41.630 --> 00:48:44.370
he take all this with me and he gave it to his lawyer.

1060
00:48:44.370 --> 00:48:48.900
One in Saudi Arabia and one in Pakistan lawyer,

1061
00:48:48.900 --> 00:48:50.753
and photo in some of this, and say,

1062
00:48:50.753 --> 00:48:53.490
This is why, when they picked me up,

1063
00:48:53.490 --> 00:48:55.440
they find this stuff in my bag.

1064
00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:58.620
And this why they scared to send me back in Australia.

1065
00:48:58.620 --> 00:49:01.910
And this one of the reasons too, to me release,

1066
00:49:01.910 --> 00:49:04.423
was I would admit any crime I did.

1067
00:49:05.550 --> 00:49:06.383
<v Interviewer>And what-</v>

1068
00:49:06.383 --> 00:49:07.900
<v ->What happened,</v>

1069
00:49:07.900 --> 00:49:12.300
we try to go through the media when he was killed.

1070
00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:15.070
I tried to find way back to Australia,

1071
00:49:15.070 --> 00:49:17.080
but I didn't know where to go.

1072
00:49:17.080 --> 00:49:19.470
I have one left over from these guys.

1073
00:49:19.470 --> 00:49:24.470
One, his name, Abdul Ilah this guy from Saudi Arabia.

1074
00:49:25.100 --> 00:49:27.670
He go with me and is the only a way,

1075
00:49:27.670 --> 00:49:30.160
we go through Iran to go back home.

1076
00:49:30.160 --> 00:49:32.720
Because now they know you in Pakistan,

1077
00:49:32.720 --> 00:49:34.780
they gonna go every airport,

1078
00:49:34.780 --> 00:49:36.930
they gonna stop it for you.

1079
00:49:36.930 --> 00:49:38.480
Then we went to Iran, we said,

1080
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:41.000
we go to the Al Jazeera and Afghanistan.

1081
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:41.860
They have a Cabo,

1082
00:49:41.860 --> 00:49:44.500
they have an Al Jazeera office.

1083
00:49:44.500 --> 00:49:45.780
If you're aware of that,

1084
00:49:45.780 --> 00:49:50.780
that's the first one is being a shop by American,

1085
00:49:51.140 --> 00:49:53.713
when they have war, I think that's what I said.

1086
00:49:55.410 --> 00:49:57.220
We try to go to the Al Jazeera.

1087
00:49:57.220 --> 00:50:01.780
This guy we meet with, he's now in his span,

1088
00:50:01.780 --> 00:50:03.481
under house arrest.

1089
00:50:03.481 --> 00:50:06.170
Everyone, they know he's a threat,

1090
00:50:06.170 --> 00:50:08.973
because of me, he's been house arrest until today.

1091
00:50:10.230 --> 00:50:11.430
Because he have my tape,

1092
00:50:12.680 --> 00:50:14.380
he have my story,

1093
00:50:14.380 --> 00:50:16.360
he have the name of the agencies,

1094
00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:18.350
and he's been arrest when he had this stuff.

1095
00:50:18.350 --> 00:50:19.450
That's what I believe.

1096
00:50:20.310 --> 00:50:23.460
And now, I have no evidenced to bring it.

1097
00:50:23.460 --> 00:50:25.970
They say, "This is all my evidence."

1098
00:50:25.970 --> 00:50:28.930
Because when they asked me, I was, I was honest,

1099
00:50:28.930 --> 00:50:31.890
in the beginning and I told them the truth.

1100
00:50:31.890 --> 00:50:33.150
And they asked me,

1101
00:50:33.150 --> 00:50:34.500
who do you think have the tape?

1102
00:50:34.500 --> 00:50:36.730
Who you think have the evidence?

1103
00:50:36.730 --> 00:50:38.950
Who you think have got the tape?

1104
00:50:38.950 --> 00:50:42.640
Who you think got the photo?

1105
00:50:42.640 --> 00:50:44.700
And I told him, I said, "I haven't done anything."

1106
00:50:44.700 --> 00:50:47.670
They asked about, "No, the Australian."

1107
00:50:47.670 --> 00:50:48.750
But who know?

1108
00:50:48.750 --> 00:50:50.680
Maybe the Australian asked me, and I wasn't know

1109
00:50:50.680 --> 00:50:52.133
that I've been asking by the Australian.

1110
00:50:52.133 --> 00:50:55.433
I've been honest with the Egyptian from the beginning.

1111
00:50:56.350 --> 00:50:58.820
Cause I said what to do is in Egypt.

1112
00:50:58.820 --> 00:51:00.630
I wasn't, I haven't done anything wrong.

1113
00:51:00.630 --> 00:51:02.453
The agency that tried to employ me.

1114
00:51:03.445 --> 00:51:04.278
"So why are you here?"

1115
00:51:04.278 --> 00:51:07.740
I said, "I have, I brought for you, I never been in there."

1116
00:51:07.740 --> 00:51:09.300
I haven't done anything wrong.

1117
00:51:09.300 --> 00:51:10.973
When they've been tried to employ me,

1118
00:51:10.973 --> 00:51:14.200
I done this and I got the tape, bring my bag.

1119
00:51:14.200 --> 00:51:15.900
Until today, I didn't have my bag.

1120
00:51:17.630 --> 00:51:21.750
<v Interviewer>Why did you finally center out of Egypt?</v>

1121
00:51:21.750 --> 00:51:24.910
Why do you think they sent you out of Egypt?

1122
00:51:24.910 --> 00:51:27.750
and then to Guantanamo.

1123
00:51:27.750 --> 00:51:31.800
<v ->This is what I'm trying to tell you because now</v>

1124
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:35.180
to try to set me up was any cases I told them, the old,

1125
00:51:35.180 --> 00:51:37.890
every single I told them, they find is the truth.

1126
00:51:37.890 --> 00:51:42.640
Now, I'll told him about the video and the what's it called?

1127
00:51:42.640 --> 00:51:45.710
The film, the camera I've been filming the Azure.

1128
00:51:45.710 --> 00:51:49.080
I got the recording tape recording about Azure

1129
00:51:49.080 --> 00:51:51.560
and I had talked to try to employ me.

1130
00:51:51.560 --> 00:51:53.573
And if they send me back in Australia,

1131
00:51:55.190 --> 00:51:57.293
they have to give me every single have.

1132
00:51:58.870 --> 00:52:01.640
And that's why I went the case here to Australia

1133
00:52:01.640 --> 00:52:02.797
because it doesn't give me what is my bag?

1134
00:52:02.797 --> 00:52:06.376
And they gave me a $100, like $200.

1135
00:52:06.376 --> 00:52:08.780
Where is the rest of my luggage?

1136
00:52:08.780 --> 00:52:10.550
Where is all my stuff?

1137
00:52:10.550 --> 00:52:12.300
Where's the document I have?

1138
00:52:12.300 --> 00:52:13.133
What is this?

1139
00:52:13.133 --> 00:52:13.990
They said, they have a list.

1140
00:52:13.990 --> 00:52:16.100
Where is the list I have?

1141
00:52:16.100 --> 00:52:18.610
They said, they have a (mumbles) tape.

1142
00:52:18.610 --> 00:52:20.070
What is this tape?

1143
00:52:20.070 --> 00:52:21.360
We wanna see it,

1144
00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:24.320
but they take it because the tape are recording

1145
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:26.730
the conversation between me and Azure,

1146
00:52:26.730 --> 00:52:30.880
how they tried to employ me to send me in Afghanistan to,

1147
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:34.603
to find Jack Thomas and Matthew Stewart.

1148
00:52:35.790 --> 00:52:39.069
<v Interviewer>And so when you were sent out of Egypt,</v>

1149
00:52:39.069 --> 00:52:41.210
did you really going to Guantanamo

1150
00:52:41.210 --> 00:52:43.010
<v ->No I never know, even Guantanamo bay,</v>

1151
00:52:43.010 --> 00:52:44.900
I don't know what it is.

1152
00:52:44.900 --> 00:52:46.123
<v Interviewer>You never heard of it?</v>

1153
00:52:46.123 --> 00:52:49.670
<v ->I heard about it when they send me back to Afghanistan.</v>

1154
00:52:49.670 --> 00:52:53.405
<v Interviewer>And when do you hear of it, in Afghanistan?</v>

1155
00:52:53.405 --> 00:52:57.480
<v ->Because what happened they take me to Egypt now in Egypt</v>

1156
00:52:57.480 --> 00:52:58.530
in the beginning, I said,

1157
00:52:58.530 --> 00:53:00.260
I've been honest, that's what I'm listening.

1158
00:53:00.260 --> 00:53:02.760
I haven't done anything wrong, I'm very confident,

1159
00:53:03.690 --> 00:53:06.250
this is the issue. I've got this guy.

1160
00:53:06.250 --> 00:53:10.120
And I give the tape to this media guy from this.

1161
00:53:10.120 --> 00:53:12.003
I was Afghanistan because this reason said,

1162
00:53:12.003 --> 00:53:13.867
because we bring you here because he was in Afghanistan.

1163
00:53:13.867 --> 00:53:17.490
I said yes, I'm not denying I was in Afghanistan,

1164
00:53:17.490 --> 00:53:19.440
but I tried to run away from the Azure.

1165
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:21.763
The agent is trying Asia since.

1166
00:53:23.085 --> 00:53:24.490
They tried to get me.

1167
00:53:24.490 --> 00:53:25.323
And-

1168
00:53:25.323 --> 00:53:27.800
<v Interviewer>So when you were taken back to Afghanistan.</v>

1169
00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:32.160
<v ->They took me from Pakistan because I was become disabled</v>

1170
00:53:32.160 --> 00:53:35.040
because in Egypt, they gave me a lot of drugs.

1171
00:53:35.040 --> 00:53:36.990
I become paralyzed.

1172
00:53:36.990 --> 00:53:37.920
And my left side.

1173
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:41.193
Yeah, yeah, I was in my left side is gone.

1174
00:53:42.180 --> 00:53:43.100
Yeah.

1175
00:53:43.100 --> 00:53:46.243
From the drugs and electric shocks.

1176
00:53:47.610 --> 00:53:48.910
Yeah, I was and-

1177
00:53:48.910 --> 00:53:49.980
<v Interviewer>Do you know what kind of drugs</v>

1178
00:53:49.980 --> 00:53:51.134
they gave you?

1179
00:53:51.134 --> 00:53:51.967
<v ->I don't know.</v>

1180
00:53:51.967 --> 00:53:55.422
Until today, maybe you see my body

1181
00:53:55.422 --> 00:53:56.910
has become I will become itchy

1182
00:53:57.950 --> 00:54:02.950
or I'll got a lot of itching, I'll go swore,

1183
00:54:04.630 --> 00:54:06.670
but no one knows.

1184
00:54:06.670 --> 00:54:07.920
They gone and come back.

1185
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:12.272
They gone and come back and no much we can do.

1186
00:54:12.272 --> 00:54:15.300
Doctor think is a skin problem,

1187
00:54:15.300 --> 00:54:20.090
but it's not true because someone does say you have eczema,

1188
00:54:20.090 --> 00:54:21.320
eczema.

1189
00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:24.220
And some of them, they say I don't know.

1190
00:54:24.220 --> 00:54:27.193
Someone say from stress,

1191
00:54:28.090 --> 00:54:32.870
but this is kinda my hands look like fluid.

1192
00:54:32.870 --> 00:54:36.380
They come like and start itching my body.

1193
00:54:36.380 --> 00:54:39.374
<v Interviewer>Were the drugs given to you as injections-</v>

1194
00:54:39.374 --> 00:54:43.783
<v ->Everything, everything, drugs, sniffed, rink,</v>

1195
00:54:44.890 --> 00:54:47.963
food, needle, everything.

1196
00:54:49.620 --> 00:54:52.540
<v Interviewer>And when they send you to Afghanistan</v>

1197
00:54:52.540 --> 00:54:54.610
you know who you were?

1198
00:54:54.610 --> 00:54:57.220
<v ->No, no I never, know.</v>

1199
00:54:57.220 --> 00:55:00.177
I never know my life since they kidnapped me,

1200
00:55:00.177 --> 00:55:01.913
where are they gonna take me.

1201
00:55:02.970 --> 00:55:07.333
I've been transferred more than 10 times or 12,

1202
00:55:08.734 --> 00:55:10.310
they keep transferring me.

1203
00:55:10.310 --> 00:55:12.890
<v Interviewer>Where did they change from the Afghanistan?</v>

1204
00:55:12.890 --> 00:55:15.570
<v ->Well, the first they take me from Egypt</v>

1205
00:55:16.644 --> 00:55:19.340
and they say they gonna be released because I was very sick.

1206
00:55:19.340 --> 00:55:21.510
They try to make me sense for us.

1207
00:55:21.510 --> 00:55:25.103
I know something happened because I know people,

1208
00:55:26.190 --> 00:55:28.560
I had the feeling and I have all the time.

1209
00:55:28.560 --> 00:55:29.990
I have a vision,

1210
00:55:29.990 --> 00:55:32.760
something going on and trust me or not.

1211
00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:34.910
I see myself, where I go before I go

1212
00:55:38.180 --> 00:55:40.558
they come and I was in this time,

1213
00:55:40.558 --> 00:55:45.558
maybe you hear a program, was one from Qatar country.

1214
00:55:45.970 --> 00:55:48.890
And he, he, he did talk about me and say,

1215
00:55:48.890 --> 00:55:53.413
they call him for help because I was dying in this time.

1216
00:55:53.413 --> 00:55:54.950
I remember before I left Egypt,

1217
00:55:54.950 --> 00:55:57.890
they have a lot of people

1218
00:55:57.890 --> 00:55:59.840
they come in to see me I was paralyzed

1219
00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:02.090
and they try to tell me, "Are you're going home,

1220
00:56:02.090 --> 00:56:04.757
you're finish? what you gonna tell about Egypt

1221
00:56:04.757 --> 00:56:05.740
and all this setup?"

1222
00:56:05.740 --> 00:56:07.577
Oh, this one, I go in Australia,

1223
00:56:07.577 --> 00:56:10.520
I'm gonna say Egypt is a corrupt and criminal.

1224
00:56:10.520 --> 00:56:12.040
They done this and this.

1225
00:56:12.040 --> 00:56:15.610
So you still send us a (indistinct) until I die,

1226
00:56:15.610 --> 00:56:17.223
I was paralyzed in this time.

1227
00:56:18.110 --> 00:56:19.930
When they take me in Afghanistan,

1228
00:56:19.930 --> 00:56:24.140
they take me to Pakistan and they transfer me from Pakistan.

1229
00:56:24.140 --> 00:56:26.630
I have one guy from Pakistan.

1230
00:56:26.630 --> 00:56:28.610
He can tell you the story too.

1231
00:56:28.610 --> 00:56:30.720
His name's (indistinct) he's paralyzed,

1232
00:56:30.720 --> 00:56:33.440
but now he's have a problem with his name.

1233
00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:35.060
He's been released too.

1234
00:56:35.060 --> 00:56:37.350
His name Sadik but he being kidnapped

1235
00:56:37.350 --> 00:56:39.293
from Indonesia, Jakarta.

1236
00:56:40.811 --> 00:56:42.860
<v Interviewer>He was in Afghanistan with you?</v>

1237
00:56:42.860 --> 00:56:45.160
<v ->Yeah, he was no.</v>

1238
00:56:45.160 --> 00:56:49.143
He'd been kidnapped from Jakarta by the American.

1239
00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:51.890
And he's now back in Pakistan.

1240
00:56:51.890 --> 00:56:54.910
<v Interviewer>When you went to Afghanistan,</v>

1241
00:56:54.910 --> 00:56:57.460
how long were you there before you were sent to Guantanamo?

1242
00:56:57.460 --> 00:56:58.293
<v ->Well, he,</v>

1243
00:56:58.293 --> 00:57:03.263
I was released with this guy from Egypt in the same car.

1244
00:57:04.670 --> 00:57:07.470
What he told me, I'm being contact with him.

1245
00:57:07.470 --> 00:57:09.160
So if you wanna one day,

1246
00:57:09.160 --> 00:57:11.962
I let him talk to me in the phone, you can hear him.

1247
00:57:11.962 --> 00:57:13.631
<v Interviewer>Okay.</v>

1248
00:57:13.631 --> 00:57:15.690
<v ->And maybe I can try him now if you want to.</v>

1249
00:57:15.690 --> 00:57:16.780
<v Interviewer>No, lets finish</v>

1250
00:57:16.780 --> 00:57:19.210
<v ->It's what happened?</v>

1251
00:57:19.210 --> 00:57:22.680
He was kidnapped and sent to Egypt.

1252
00:57:22.680 --> 00:57:25.510
He'd been on torture similar as mine.

1253
00:57:25.510 --> 00:57:29.120
Then he was sent in the same time back to...

1254
00:57:29.120 --> 00:57:32.540
He told me in Bagram,

1255
00:57:32.540 --> 00:57:36.260
but I was told I was in Pakistan and from Pakistan,

1256
00:57:36.260 --> 00:57:40.230
take us to Bagram and they keep me in Bagram.

1257
00:57:40.230 --> 00:57:42.910
I wasn't able to an airport, in Bagram.

1258
00:57:42.910 --> 00:57:47.400
I wasn't able to walk, to stand. Sorry.

1259
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:48.960
<v Interviewer>Why not?</v>

1260
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:50.433
<v ->I was already disabled.</v>

1261
00:57:51.650 --> 00:57:52.570
<v Interviewer>Your legs were-</v>

1262
00:57:52.570 --> 00:57:53.403
<v ->I was gone.</v>

1263
00:57:53.403 --> 00:57:54.960
It's not mentally it's.

1264
00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:59.533
I go head spin, I can no balance.

1265
00:58:01.120 --> 00:58:04.063
If I stand up, I go back or go front.

1266
00:58:05.310 --> 00:58:06.143
I can't.

1267
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:08.730
<v Interviewer>What caused that?</v>

1268
00:58:08.730 --> 00:58:10.110
<v ->The, the electric shock,</v>

1269
00:58:10.110 --> 00:58:12.933
some of the doctors said someone was saying this drugs.

1270
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:16.410
And that's what I always to bleed

1271
00:58:16.410 --> 00:58:20.280
from my nose and my ear and all the time.

1272
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.420
But I can understand when they take me

1273
00:58:22.420 --> 00:58:24.710
to Guantanamo they used to...

1274
00:58:24.710 --> 00:58:28.420
Something like a machine and my hands metal

1275
00:58:29.350 --> 00:58:32.143
to make me stand in the beginning.

1276
00:58:33.540 --> 00:58:35.270
I wasn't believing we're gonna be survive,

1277
00:58:35.270 --> 00:58:37.670
since I wasn't believing, I'm healthy

1278
00:58:37.670 --> 00:58:41.560
and I do exercise around again and again.

1279
00:58:41.560 --> 00:58:42.680
And I'll be clothes.

1280
00:58:42.680 --> 00:58:44.953
This is a mercy from my (indistinct)

1281
00:58:44.953 --> 00:58:46.820
I can't deny that and says,

1282
00:58:46.820 --> 00:58:48.870
and that's what I fighting until now.

1283
00:58:48.870 --> 00:58:52.540
And this is why I accept your interview because

1284
00:58:52.540 --> 00:58:55.710
I say I gonna fight to the last drop of my blood.

1285
00:58:55.710 --> 00:58:59.340
And last minute of my life to tell the world

1286
00:58:59.340 --> 00:59:01.343
how criminal this people is.

1287
00:59:02.722 --> 00:59:06.370
<v Interviewer>So how long were you in Afghanistan before?</v>

1288
00:59:06.370 --> 00:59:10.610
<v ->They sent me in to Bagram for 15 days,</v>

1289
00:59:10.610 --> 00:59:12.220
I think, or 11.

1290
00:59:12.220 --> 00:59:13.940
And what the game is,

1291
00:59:13.940 --> 00:59:16.960
is a bloody game because the media follow me.

1292
00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:21.550
Some of the media fine about ma may I'm in Egypt.

1293
00:59:21.550 --> 00:59:22.383
And when they meet,

1294
00:59:22.383 --> 00:59:25.390
that's all we discover all this wouldn't have a case against

1295
00:59:25.390 --> 00:59:27.253
Australia in a court paper document.

1296
00:59:28.340 --> 00:59:29.173
What happened?

1297
00:59:29.173 --> 00:59:34.000
And the media find out someone in Egypt Habib

1298
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:36.830
and what he's doing there and where he is

1299
00:59:36.830 --> 00:59:37.850
when the media stopped,

1300
00:59:37.850 --> 00:59:39.500
put the hand where I am in Egypt,

1301
00:59:40.415 --> 00:59:42.910
they release me and they find out I'm sick person

1302
00:59:42.910 --> 00:59:44.907
is not able to even stand up

1303
00:59:44.907 --> 00:59:46.230
and say how will they get this guy?

1304
00:59:46.230 --> 00:59:48.860
I got to meet with people, they're going to say, it's,

1305
00:59:48.860 --> 00:59:50.263
it's being killed in Egypt.

1306
00:59:51.613 --> 00:59:53.137
They tried to make me admit something

1307
00:59:53.137 --> 00:59:54.790
and I refuse again.

1308
00:59:54.790 --> 00:59:56.816
And they find out that I'm gonna die.

1309
00:59:56.816 --> 00:59:59.330
And Egyptian government doesn't wanna put themselves

1310
00:59:59.330 --> 01:00:03.210
in a responsible for killing him.

1311
01:00:03.210 --> 01:00:04.790
Have to tell him, take him out of the country.

1312
01:00:04.790 --> 01:00:07.010
Let him die in Pakistan or somewhere else.

1313
01:00:07.010 --> 01:00:08.270
Not in here.

1314
01:00:08.270 --> 01:00:09.530
<v Interviewer>Did you see any doctors</v>

1315
01:00:09.530 --> 01:00:12.203
while you were in Egypt or Afghanistan?

1316
01:00:13.933 --> 01:00:16.060
<v ->The doctor is a criminal.</v>

1317
01:00:16.060 --> 01:00:18.660
He say, what doctor is say is a doctor is a criminal

1318
01:00:20.560 --> 01:00:22.900
who's doctor gonna come in a secret place

1319
01:00:22.900 --> 01:00:24.673
or the torture place?

1320
01:00:25.720 --> 01:00:28.673
What's type of doctor he entry in a place like this.

1321
01:00:30.198 --> 01:00:31.320
He is a criminal.

1322
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:32.380
You have to be criminal.

1323
01:00:32.380 --> 01:00:33.680
<v Interviewer>Why, why would they do?</v>

1324
01:00:33.680 --> 01:00:35.663
<v ->Because it's a torture there.</v>

1325
01:00:36.850 --> 01:00:38.853
People try to kill you slowly.

1326
01:00:40.160 --> 01:00:43.860
How what doctor is going to see a person,

1327
01:00:43.860 --> 01:00:45.830
and people try to kill him.

1328
01:00:45.830 --> 01:00:47.910
If this doctor try to make him survive,

1329
01:00:47.910 --> 01:00:51.363
this mean he try to make him get more take more torture.

1330
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:56.680
I'd rather to let me die not make me survive.

1331
01:00:56.680 --> 01:00:58.440
<v Interviewer>Did doctors examine you</v>

1332
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:01.260
to see that you were surviving?

1333
01:01:01.260 --> 01:01:05.240
<v ->Examine every place I go from transfer.</v>

1334
01:01:05.240 --> 01:01:07.100
When to transfer me from place to place,

1335
01:01:07.100 --> 01:01:09.300
they get the doctor see me.

1336
01:01:09.300 --> 01:01:10.993
They filming me fully.

1337
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:16.490
Photograph inside my mouth every part in my body naked.

1338
01:01:16.490 --> 01:01:17.990
They filming everything

1339
01:01:17.990 --> 01:01:20.410
and to transfer me and the other one take me.

1340
01:01:20.410 --> 01:01:21.500
They do the same thing.

1341
01:01:21.500 --> 01:01:23.330
Every time they remove me.

1342
01:01:23.330 --> 01:01:25.998
<v Interviewer>And did the doctors examine you?</v>

1343
01:01:25.998 --> 01:01:30.998
<v ->It's not a doctor is a government business.</v>

1344
01:01:31.090 --> 01:01:35.200
Like give you Basel

1345
01:01:35.200 --> 01:01:40.000
and they used to call me is anyways Basel sometime,

1346
01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:45.000
and sometime they call me what they call it? Baggage.

1347
01:01:47.770 --> 01:01:50.760
I'm a Baggage sometime call me Basel,

1348
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:53.560
sometime they call me different name I forgot the name.

1349
01:01:53.560 --> 01:01:54.500
They call it

1350
01:01:54.500 --> 01:01:58.613
And we find the name and the meaning of it Like,

1351
01:02:00.513 --> 01:02:03.530
I don't know the word but something like that.

1352
01:02:03.530 --> 01:02:07.530
They say something Baggage they calling us.

1353
01:02:07.530 --> 01:02:11.330
<v Interviewer>And when you were disabled in Afghanistan,</v>

1354
01:02:11.330 --> 01:02:15.063
did American doctors see you there?

1355
01:02:18.010 --> 01:02:21.000
<v ->Was worst to see in Afghanistan</v>

1356
01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.210
to see a doctor or to be in a place there

1357
01:02:23.210 --> 01:02:24.693
because is no such a doctor.

1358
01:02:26.060 --> 01:02:28.663
And Afghanistan is no such American doctor.

1359
01:02:30.060 --> 01:02:32.340
If anybody tell you they have a doctor there,

1360
01:02:32.340 --> 01:02:33.293
they lie to you.

1361
01:02:34.610 --> 01:02:38.560
The doctor only for military people

1362
01:02:38.560 --> 01:02:40.490
and this is different area.

1363
01:02:40.490 --> 01:02:42.270
We have a doctor his name Amon,

1364
01:02:42.270 --> 01:02:44.330
he used to help the American.

1365
01:02:44.330 --> 01:02:47.640
He is a doctor but he'd been picked up from Afghanistan,

1366
01:02:47.640 --> 01:02:49.530
Now he's a crazy.

1367
01:02:49.530 --> 01:02:52.440
He's still in Guantanamo Bay.

1368
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:53.500
His name Amon.

1369
01:02:53.500 --> 01:02:54.770
He's a doctor.

1370
01:02:54.770 --> 01:02:56.580
He got two few doctors,

1371
01:02:56.580 --> 01:02:59.713
they used to help him because they have no doctor.

1372
01:03:00.768 --> 01:03:02.233
They have no doctor.

1373
01:03:03.100 --> 01:03:05.700
<v Interviewer>And when you were centered Guantanamo,</v>

1374
01:03:05.700 --> 01:03:07.650
did you know about Guantanamo then?

1375
01:03:07.650 --> 01:03:08.670
<v ->No</v>

1376
01:03:08.670 --> 01:03:10.173
<v Interviewer>Could you describe?</v>

1377
01:03:10.173 --> 01:03:12.290
<v ->What happened they take me in Bagram,</v>

1378
01:03:12.290 --> 01:03:14.710
in Bagram they keep me because

1379
01:03:14.710 --> 01:03:18.170
I think they'd been rushed to send me because

1380
01:03:18.170 --> 01:03:20.970
they sent me with three people disabled,

1381
01:03:20.970 --> 01:03:23.993
one two one one guy from Tunisia,

1382
01:03:24.850 --> 01:03:26.590
his name and Lotfi,

1383
01:03:26.590 --> 01:03:31.590
and one guy his name Nur from Algeria they disabled.

1384
01:03:33.350 --> 01:03:37.903
And they take all the disable people in one fly.

1385
01:03:39.062 --> 01:03:42.320
I remember I've been transferred with these guys

1386
01:03:42.320 --> 01:03:44.653
from Bagram to Kandahar.

1387
01:03:45.740 --> 01:03:48.980
They keep me in Kandahar for another 11 days,

1388
01:03:48.980 --> 01:03:50.730
and they come and they take me straight away

1389
01:03:50.730 --> 01:03:52.790
to Guantanamo Bay.

1390
01:03:52.790 --> 01:03:56.160
Each time when the red cross come to me

1391
01:03:56.160 --> 01:03:58.440
and I find next day I fly.

1392
01:03:58.440 --> 01:03:59.857
<v Interviewer>The red cross came to you and-</v>

1393
01:03:59.857 --> 01:04:01.673
<v ->And they come to me in Bagram,</v>

1394
01:04:03.470 --> 01:04:05.640
and another part what we said here

1395
01:04:05.640 --> 01:04:08.250
when we come to Australia they say,

1396
01:04:08.250 --> 01:04:11.250
they informed the council in Islamabad,

1397
01:04:11.250 --> 01:04:12.323
I am in Bagram.

1398
01:04:14.600 --> 01:04:19.533
And they waiting for the council reply.

1399
01:04:20.770 --> 01:04:25.547
And (laughs) that transfer suddenly a transfer to...

1400
01:04:25.547 --> 01:04:27.390
<v Interviewer>And when you was transferred to Guantanamo</v>

1401
01:04:27.390 --> 01:04:29.140
did your wife know where you were?

1402
01:04:29.140 --> 01:04:30.666
Could you speak to her at all?

1403
01:04:30.666 --> 01:04:31.895
<v ->No, No, no.</v>

1404
01:04:31.895 --> 01:04:34.070
I said, as I told you,

1405
01:04:34.070 --> 01:04:37.770
even when I come talk with the lawyer,

1406
01:04:37.770 --> 01:04:39.360
what's his name?

1407
01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:40.193
Yeah.

1408
01:04:45.060 --> 01:04:48.804
No What's his name? (indistinct)

1409
01:04:48.804 --> 01:04:49.637
<v Interviewer>Kenny?</v>

1410
01:04:49.637 --> 01:04:50.470
<v ->Steve Kenny.</v>

1411
01:04:52.530 --> 01:04:55.760
Because David Hicks was in Guantanamo Bay.

1412
01:04:55.760 --> 01:04:58.300
Australian government doesn't wanna help me with anything.

1413
01:04:58.300 --> 01:05:01.913
Doesn't wanna, they show me no mercy.

1414
01:05:04.120 --> 01:05:08.190
You can say that they doesn't interested for me

1415
01:05:08.190 --> 01:05:10.960
to be even survive all right?

1416
01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:14.763
Because they just cross on me.

1417
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:17.727
They doesn't what to do with me,

1418
01:05:17.727 --> 01:05:21.353
they want me to be disabled and mental.

1419
01:05:22.600 --> 01:05:26.950
I was one year and a half in a dark room

1420
01:05:26.950 --> 01:05:28.340
I never see.

1421
01:05:28.340 --> 01:05:29.289
<v Interviewer>In Guantanamo?</v>

1422
01:05:29.289 --> 01:05:31.480
<v ->In Guantanamo Bay first year and a half,</v>

1423
01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:33.877
I was in a room not seeing nothing

1424
01:05:33.877 --> 01:05:37.470
for a cell dark 24 hours,

1425
01:05:37.470 --> 01:05:40.050
just someone Chinese I never forgot that.

1426
01:05:40.050 --> 01:05:42.840
Chinese military woman she go in,

1427
01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:43.920
she give me one shot.

1428
01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:46.950
And I found myself naked in the floor all the time.

1429
01:05:46.950 --> 01:05:49.913
This as memory until 2003.

1430
01:05:52.149 --> 01:05:53.620
First time I say,

1431
01:05:53.620 --> 01:05:55.500
they take me out of this cell

1432
01:05:55.500 --> 01:05:57.850
they brought me next day with Hicks.

1433
01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:00.987
After in 2000 train,

1434
01:06:02.218 --> 01:06:03.730
they brought me the next day with Hicks

1435
01:06:03.730 --> 01:06:05.290
and they would say to me to me,

1436
01:06:05.290 --> 01:06:08.533
please me and you this exact words.

1437
01:06:09.460 --> 01:06:10.560
When they brought me next to him

1438
01:06:10.560 --> 01:06:12.495
he was in the first level one.

1439
01:06:12.495 --> 01:06:14.203
You know what's mean level one.

1440
01:06:15.397 --> 01:06:16.653
Level one one because in Guantanamo Bay

1441
01:06:16.653 --> 01:06:19.453
they had level one, level two, level three, level four

1442
01:06:19.453 --> 01:06:20.783
I was level four,

1443
01:06:20.783 --> 01:06:23.843
and was what do you call,

1444
01:06:24.860 --> 01:06:29.860
I see lost no item all my life in there.

1445
01:06:30.940 --> 01:06:32.513
This mean naked all the time.

1446
01:06:34.040 --> 01:06:37.130
David Hicks he was a level one extra

1447
01:06:37.130 --> 01:06:38.760
this mean he have everything

1448
01:06:40.100 --> 01:06:41.550
and have a magazine in his cell,

1449
01:06:41.550 --> 01:06:45.600
and they try to tell me see how we treat him?

1450
01:06:45.600 --> 01:06:47.840
Cooperate and he told me,

1451
01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:52.780
man I know you I see on in Pakistan in 2000.

1452
01:06:52.780 --> 01:06:55.200
And I see in Afghanistan and say, yeah,

1453
01:06:55.200 --> 01:06:56.970
they'd see in Afghanistan

1454
01:06:56.970 --> 01:06:59.420
but I'm not there to do anything wrong.

1455
01:06:59.420 --> 01:07:00.830
I didn't see you in Pakistan.

1456
01:07:00.830 --> 01:07:02.710
I didn't dare to make anything wrong

1457
01:07:02.710 --> 01:07:04.494
well if you done something it's up to you say

1458
01:07:04.494 --> 01:07:07.480
just let him release you.

1459
01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:10.660
Just tell me and you in the same ship.

1460
01:07:10.660 --> 01:07:13.010
They not gonna let me out without you.

1461
01:07:13.010 --> 01:07:14.663
And they not gonna let you out without me

1462
01:07:14.663 --> 01:07:17.850
I said I don't give you shit sorry for language.

1463
01:07:17.850 --> 01:07:19.460
But I haven't done anything wrong

1464
01:07:19.460 --> 01:07:21.290
but you was fighting there.

1465
01:07:21.290 --> 01:07:22.920
You have a gun.

1466
01:07:22.920 --> 01:07:24.170
You released a video tape

1467
01:07:25.350 --> 01:07:26.900
to attacking the world.

1468
01:07:26.900 --> 01:07:29.190
<v Interviewer>David Hicks released the video tape?</v>

1469
01:07:29.190 --> 01:07:30.230
<v ->Yes.</v>

1470
01:07:30.230 --> 01:07:32.590
The tape of Osama bin Laden,

1471
01:07:32.590 --> 01:07:36.740
when he had ban his arm he say gonna shoot the world

1472
01:07:36.740 --> 01:07:37.700
and all this.

1473
01:07:37.700 --> 01:07:41.610
He is Jack Thomas and David Hicks and is preaching guy.

1474
01:07:41.610 --> 01:07:43.433
That's what David Hicks said in his message.

1475
01:07:43.433 --> 01:07:44.385
<v Interviewer>They are in the tape?</v>

1476
01:07:44.385 --> 01:07:47.040
<v ->They one covering the face and kicking the door</v>

1477
01:07:47.040 --> 01:07:49.470
and shooting the statue.

1478
01:07:49.470 --> 01:07:50.977
This them.

1479
01:07:50.977 --> 01:07:53.627
And that's the tape is been released by these people.

1480
01:07:54.670 --> 01:07:56.380
And the end of the story Jack Thomas,

1481
01:07:56.380 --> 01:07:59.833
they find, the court find him is innocent person.

1482
01:08:00.830 --> 01:08:02.313
I don't believe that,

1483
01:08:02.313 --> 01:08:04.760
are you gonna believe that?

1484
01:08:04.760 --> 01:08:06.920
Because he say Osama bin Laden is a terrorist.

1485
01:08:06.920 --> 01:08:08.850
But you live with him for for six easy idiots.

1486
01:08:08.850 --> 01:08:11.920
And he coming out after six years because he's being killed.

1487
01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:12.950
So he's a terrorist?

1488
01:08:12.950 --> 01:08:15.080
What about you? Your honest?

1489
01:08:15.080 --> 01:08:15.913
Hypocrite.

1490
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:18.793
And they was there.

1491
01:08:19.700 --> 01:08:20.533
And they released it too,

1492
01:08:20.533 --> 01:08:22.090
I haven't done anything.

1493
01:08:22.090 --> 01:08:25.110
And David Hicks he's been treated in Guantanamo Bay,

1494
01:08:25.110 --> 01:08:28.149
like a King I'll tell you that.

1495
01:08:28.149 --> 01:08:31.350
He's suffering today saying Oh I haven't been treated.

1496
01:08:31.350 --> 01:08:34.910
He's a lawyer and I can give you 100 of people

1497
01:08:34.910 --> 01:08:36.770
It's being released from Guantanamo Bay

1498
01:08:36.770 --> 01:08:38.270
they can tell you on the phone,

1499
01:08:38.270 --> 01:08:41.130
how David Hicks is been treated like a King.

1500
01:08:41.130 --> 01:08:43.970
He have a walkie talkie in his cell.

1501
01:08:43.970 --> 01:08:48.170
He called the guy any time he want to go out for rec.

1502
01:08:48.170 --> 01:08:49.190
Anytime.

1503
01:08:49.190 --> 01:08:51.253
He smoke in the cell.

1504
01:08:52.600 --> 01:08:53.587
He give me smoke.

1505
01:08:53.587 --> 01:08:57.856
And he say you cooperate you and me in the same ship.

1506
01:08:57.856 --> 01:08:58.689
I said no I'm not.

1507
01:08:58.689 --> 01:09:01.740
(indistinct) shit ship I'm not a there.

1508
01:09:01.740 --> 01:09:03.760
I haven't done anything wrong.

1509
01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:05.640
I haven't done anything let him kill me,

1510
01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:07.610
but I'm not gonna say I done anything wrong.

1511
01:09:07.610 --> 01:09:09.960
And I haven't done it let him kill me.

1512
01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:13.210
I already been killed in Egypt from the beginning,

1513
01:09:13.210 --> 01:09:15.840
but he being cooperate as a lie

1514
01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:17.440
and he can do this all the time.

1515
01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:19.820
<v Interviewer>What did he say to you when you said that?</v>

1516
01:09:19.820 --> 01:09:21.130
<v ->He say it's up to you,</v>

1517
01:09:21.130 --> 01:09:24.033
you're losing I said I lose I don't care.

1518
01:09:24.033 --> 01:09:25.060
I lose.

1519
01:09:25.060 --> 01:09:26.980
Say ain't gonna be here all life.

1520
01:09:26.980 --> 01:09:28.920
And if we not released by this

1521
01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:31.360
in this time can was around Ramadan I believe

1522
01:09:31.360 --> 01:09:33.680
said if we're not released by this from Ramadan,

1523
01:09:33.680 --> 01:09:34.553
we never gonna get out.

1524
01:09:34.553 --> 01:09:36.240
I said I never be out.

1525
01:09:36.240 --> 01:09:39.700
I never gonna go out with a charge of this place.

1526
01:09:39.700 --> 01:09:41.300
Because I haven't done anything wrong.

1527
01:09:41.300 --> 01:09:45.270
I was kidnapped and this is exactly the truth.

1528
01:09:45.270 --> 01:09:46.510
I haven't done anything,

1529
01:09:46.510 --> 01:09:47.750
I haven't carried a gun,

1530
01:09:47.750 --> 01:09:48.830
I haven't carried bomb.

1531
01:09:48.830 --> 01:09:51.230
I'm not trying to do anything to harm nobody.

1532
01:09:51.230 --> 01:09:54.620
These people done kidnap me and put me in torture

1533
01:09:54.620 --> 01:09:55.840
for no reason.

1534
01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:58.170
You being picked up in Afghanistan,

1535
01:09:58.170 --> 01:10:01.040
with your gun in your hand you done something wrong,

1536
01:10:01.040 --> 01:10:03.803
your enemy combating after them to do to you.

1537
01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:06.340
You broke the law broke up to you,

1538
01:10:06.340 --> 01:10:07.320
but you on him.

1539
01:10:07.320 --> 01:10:09.020
But I stood up for you.

1540
01:10:09.020 --> 01:10:11.130
And I say yes I done that

1541
01:10:11.130 --> 01:10:12.480
because and I haven't done it.

1542
01:10:12.480 --> 01:10:13.680
I don't have to do this,

1543
01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:15.070
because on the same ship,

1544
01:10:15.070 --> 01:10:16.710
I don't wanna go with this ship.

1545
01:10:16.710 --> 01:10:18.720
Let this ship go.

1546
01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:20.090
<v Interviewer>What happened to you</v>

1547
01:10:20.090 --> 01:10:21.840
when you told them that?

1548
01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:25.470
<v ->They take me back to the isolation and done finish.</v>

1549
01:10:25.470 --> 01:10:27.380
They start torture again.

1550
01:10:27.380 --> 01:10:30.160
Not allow me to sleep.

1551
01:10:30.160 --> 01:10:31.970
They move me from cell to cell.

1552
01:10:32.900 --> 01:10:34.140
I was through the hell.

1553
01:10:34.140 --> 01:10:35.970
<v Interviewer>Did you see the red cross</v>

1554
01:10:35.970 --> 01:10:36.847
while you were in Guantanamo?

1555
01:10:36.847 --> 01:10:38.140
<v ->Yes I see red cross.</v>

1556
01:10:38.140 --> 01:10:40.377
Is it corporation to the United States?

1557
01:10:41.450 --> 01:10:42.823
It's a corporation.

1558
01:10:43.970 --> 01:10:47.520
I don't believe in red cross it's rubbish.

1559
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:50.860
America doesn't give red cross permission to go in

1560
01:10:50.860 --> 01:10:52.980
until to be quiet.

1561
01:10:52.980 --> 01:10:55.170
That's the deal and this what I was taught.

1562
01:10:55.170 --> 01:10:57.380
And even the letter until today,

1563
01:10:57.380 --> 01:11:00.570
the red cross scare especially with me,

1564
01:11:00.570 --> 01:11:02.623
because I know the red cross very well.

1565
01:11:03.610 --> 01:11:07.070
Red cross even they report the lying report.

1566
01:11:07.070 --> 01:11:10.430
They say we contact the Australian council in 2000,

1567
01:11:10.430 --> 01:11:14.690
and when they pick me up when I come to Bagram,

1568
01:11:14.690 --> 01:11:15.550
it's not true.

1569
01:11:15.550 --> 01:11:17.820
If they contact the council,

1570
01:11:17.820 --> 01:11:19.660
we say who you did talk with?

1571
01:11:19.660 --> 01:11:22.130
They say no they can't say it.

1572
01:11:22.130 --> 01:11:26.050
Why not saying who you did talk with in Australian council?

1573
01:11:26.050 --> 01:11:27.490
When you're saying in Bagram,

1574
01:11:27.490 --> 01:11:29.520
the same we say in Kandahar.

1575
01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:32.703
Why council background and doesn't wanna put dates?

1576
01:11:34.740 --> 01:11:35.640
It's all corporate

1577
01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:38.280
<v Interviewer>Did the Australian government</v>

1578
01:11:38.280 --> 01:11:41.363
come in and interview you while you were in Guantanamo?

1579
01:11:41.363 --> 01:11:42.613
<v ->I'll tell you what?</v>

1580
01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:47.230
Australian government is every single thing they done

1581
01:11:47.230 --> 01:11:50.780
is lie, dishonest, they corrupt.

1582
01:11:50.780 --> 01:11:54.040
They fully lie from the prime minister,

1583
01:11:54.040 --> 01:11:58.690
to every even to the small Sergeant or officer

1584
01:11:58.690 --> 01:12:01.810
in a department of foreign affairs or federal police,

1585
01:12:01.810 --> 01:12:03.068
or as you is all lie.

1586
01:12:03.068 --> 01:12:03.901
<v Interviewer>Why do you say that?</v>

1587
01:12:03.901 --> 01:12:06.690
<v ->Because this lie, fabricated.</v>

1588
01:12:06.690 --> 01:12:09.263
Everything is been fabricated about my case.

1589
01:12:10.310 --> 01:12:11.143
<v Interviewer>Did they speak to you</v>

1590
01:12:11.143 --> 01:12:11.976
while you were in Guantanamo?

1591
01:12:11.976 --> 01:12:15.740
<v ->They say they meet with me in their own document in court.</v>

1592
01:12:15.740 --> 01:12:19.113
They say they speak to me in Pakistan intricate me.

1593
01:12:19.113 --> 01:12:23.000
I never see official in Pakistan.

1594
01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:27.830
The American came to see me but they're Australian.

1595
01:12:27.830 --> 01:12:29.380
They make a statement.

1596
01:12:29.380 --> 01:12:32.390
This one, they come in giving evidence in court.

1597
01:12:32.390 --> 01:12:35.793
They see me and the guys tell me I did see you in Pakistan.

1598
01:12:36.750 --> 01:12:39.209
I see him in Pakistan only see me

1599
01:12:39.209 --> 01:12:41.880
Let's try (indistinct) Australian ambassador

1600
01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:43.240
his name (indistinct).

1601
01:12:43.240 --> 01:12:45.810
He say no as your official official

1602
01:12:45.810 --> 01:12:49.680
give you his card but they give you card of the ambassador.

1603
01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:52.737
Why the ambassador send his business card?

1604
01:12:52.737 --> 01:12:53.910
Was is it official?

1605
01:12:53.910 --> 01:12:55.223
Why not Why?

1606
01:12:56.090 --> 01:12:58.290
Why he give it to agency?

1607
01:12:58.290 --> 01:13:01.350
Oh, what do you call it as official

1608
01:13:01.350 --> 01:13:03.460
to give me his business card?

1609
01:13:03.460 --> 01:13:06.410
Because they know in business card in here

1610
01:13:06.410 --> 01:13:08.520
and I go what's in there

1611
01:13:08.520 --> 01:13:10.640
They put electric shock and the drugs

1612
01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:14.120
to make me brainwashed and forgot his name

1613
01:13:14.120 --> 01:13:15.550
And I still until today

1614
01:13:15.550 --> 01:13:17.870
if you check up in 60 minute program,

1615
01:13:17.870 --> 01:13:22.090
the first issue I remember that come in my memory,

1616
01:13:22.090 --> 01:13:24.497
when I see Alistro Adam's photo

1617
01:13:24.497 --> 01:13:27.250
I say this the one I saw him in Pakistan

1618
01:13:27.250 --> 01:13:30.170
and this is the one he sent me in Egypt.

1619
01:13:30.170 --> 01:13:32.520
It's all a lie, it's corrupt.

1620
01:13:32.520 --> 01:13:35.323
<v Interviewer>Did you see any doctors In Guantanamo?</v>

1621
01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:38.530
<v ->No</v>

1622
01:13:38.530 --> 01:13:40.020
<v Interviewer>No?</v>

1623
01:13:40.020 --> 01:13:42.023
<v ->They didn't take me in hospitals.</v>

1624
01:13:43.300 --> 01:13:45.610
Even and their report they lie about it.

1625
01:13:45.610 --> 01:13:48.173
They said done operation for me in my tummy.

1626
01:13:49.480 --> 01:13:52.050
They been planning to do something for me,

1627
01:13:52.050 --> 01:13:53.700
but doesn't work out.

1628
01:13:53.700 --> 01:13:55.990
They say they have operation,

1629
01:13:55.990 --> 01:13:58.370
they done operation for me in my legs.

1630
01:13:58.370 --> 01:14:00.990
They give me medicine.

1631
01:14:00.990 --> 01:14:03.333
They tell me I had a cancer prostate.

1632
01:14:05.780 --> 01:14:08.100
And the Australian official,

1633
01:14:08.100 --> 01:14:10.330
he give it to me the bottle,

1634
01:14:10.330 --> 01:14:14.837
and the bottle said "A medicine of Habib."

1635
01:14:16.340 --> 01:14:19.993
In Guantanamo Bay alright?

1636
01:14:19.993 --> 01:14:23.400
Australian didn't already give me medicine for cancer,

1637
01:14:23.400 --> 01:14:26.073
and I still until now I have it in my hand.

1638
01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:28.610
And the guy is say you have a cancer.

1639
01:14:28.610 --> 01:14:31.713
They try to make me believe I had a cancer prostate.

1640
01:14:33.090 --> 01:14:34.280
<v Interviewer>Did they try to help you</v>

1641
01:14:34.280 --> 01:14:36.223
with your disability?

1642
01:14:36.223 --> 01:14:37.056
<v ->Australia?</v>

1643
01:14:37.056 --> 01:14:39.100
<v Interviewer>No, American doctors.</v>

1644
01:14:39.100 --> 01:14:42.290
<v ->They love to me to be sick.</v>

1645
01:14:42.290 --> 01:14:47.290
I used to dying at day every day they love to have me sick.

1646
01:14:47.539 --> 01:14:48.600
<v Interviewer>Why?</v>

1647
01:14:48.600 --> 01:14:51.080
<v ->Because this is part of suffering.</v>

1648
01:14:51.080 --> 01:14:52.430
I was hunger strike.

1649
01:14:52.430 --> 01:14:53.932
You know what they do to me because

1650
01:14:53.932 --> 01:14:58.932
they used to give me drugs in my food, alright?

1651
01:14:59.450 --> 01:15:01.070
And I stopped eating.

1652
01:15:01.070 --> 01:15:03.890
I done hunger strike because I feel myself,

1653
01:15:03.890 --> 01:15:05.431
I'm doing something.

1654
01:15:05.431 --> 01:15:08.940
I'm not feeling I'm normal to do it.

1655
01:15:08.940 --> 01:15:11.320
When I done hunger strike I find myself.

1656
01:15:11.320 --> 01:15:13.510
I know where I am I know who I am.

1657
01:15:13.510 --> 01:15:14.760
I wasn't know everything.

1658
01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:17.043
<v Interviewer>Did they force feed you?</v>

1659
01:15:17.043 --> 01:15:20.510
<v ->They force me feed me that's why I have ulcer.</v>

1660
01:15:20.510 --> 01:15:22.720
They used to bend the the nose,

1661
01:15:22.720 --> 01:15:26.633
they brought it through my nose a hose,

1662
01:15:27.770 --> 01:15:31.070
and the guy make it like a plumber in and out

1663
01:15:31.070 --> 01:15:34.160
until today I got ulcer.

1664
01:15:34.160 --> 01:15:37.190
I didn't think I ate as burning.

1665
01:15:37.190 --> 01:15:40.271
<v Interviewer>How long many days did you get force fed?</v>

1666
01:15:40.271 --> 01:15:45.271
<v ->Oh, I was, for some time I was sick and this time</v>

1667
01:15:45.628 --> 01:15:46.461
I was really sick.

1668
01:15:46.461 --> 01:15:47.430
<v Interviewer>Why didn't you stop?</v>

1669
01:15:47.430 --> 01:15:48.400
<v ->Stop what?</v>

1670
01:15:48.400 --> 01:15:49.510
<v Interviewer>Why didn't you start eating</v>

1671
01:15:49.510 --> 01:15:51.070
so you could stop being force fed?

1672
01:15:51.070 --> 01:15:54.423
<v ->I wasn't scared to it because they gave me drugs in food.</v>

1673
01:15:55.720 --> 01:15:57.660
Because I wasn't normal.

1674
01:15:57.660 --> 01:15:59.620
The soon I ate they gave me something.

1675
01:15:59.620 --> 01:16:02.210
Even the guy I have a witness.

1676
01:16:02.210 --> 01:16:03.950
They his name Mohammed.

1677
01:16:03.950 --> 01:16:06.420
He's now from what's it called?

1678
01:16:06.420 --> 01:16:10.853
They released him from what country is,

1679
01:16:13.220 --> 01:16:14.430
Chad.

1680
01:16:14.430 --> 01:16:17.030
He's Saudi Arabian by background his Chad.

1681
01:16:17.030 --> 01:16:20.653
He's seeing the guards because they mark my fruits.

1682
01:16:22.773 --> 01:16:25.310
Because they have a special people to give them drugs.

1683
01:16:25.310 --> 01:16:26.750
And the guard had told me

1684
01:16:26.750 --> 01:16:29.790
he told me that he used to call me Abahmed the name.

1685
01:16:29.790 --> 01:16:31.241
Faizal Abahmed.

1686
01:16:31.241 --> 01:16:33.110
Say don't eat your food, I say why?

1687
01:16:33.110 --> 01:16:37.440
He say I see the guy outside,

1688
01:16:37.440 --> 01:16:39.663
he had a Mark in your plate.

1689
01:16:40.921 --> 01:16:42.540
<v ->Interviewer] How do you know they didn't put drugs</v>

1690
01:16:42.540 --> 01:16:46.050
in the food When you were forced fed in the liquid?

1691
01:16:46.050 --> 01:16:46.883
Could they have done it?

1692
01:16:46.883 --> 01:16:49.370
<v ->Well, I can't do much about it.</v>

1693
01:16:49.370 --> 01:16:51.833
What they do is when you force him,

1694
01:16:52.732 --> 01:16:53.565
you can't do much.

1695
01:16:53.565 --> 01:16:55.670
Did you say my photo in the book?

1696
01:16:55.670 --> 01:16:56.752
<v Interviewer>I haven't opened the book.</v>

1697
01:16:56.752 --> 01:16:58.172
<v ->All right open the book show me the photo.</v>

1698
01:16:58.172 --> 01:16:59.005
<v Interviewer>I can look at the photo later.</v>

1699
01:16:59.005 --> 01:17:00.893
<v ->Yeah it's I was 50 kilo.</v>

1700
01:17:02.290 --> 01:17:03.250
<v Interviewer>You weighed 50 kilos?</v>

1701
01:17:03.250 --> 01:17:06.830
<v ->I was my weight was 50 kilo when I come in Australia.</v>

1702
01:17:06.830 --> 01:17:08.876
<v Interviewer>Because you wouldn't cause you-</v>

1703
01:17:08.876 --> 01:17:12.860
<v ->I'm not eating I can't eat.</v>

1704
01:17:12.860 --> 01:17:15.820
I'm not eating because I wanna die,

1705
01:17:15.820 --> 01:17:19.710
but I'm not eating because the drugs,

1706
01:17:19.710 --> 01:17:21.530
and I'm not trusting the food.

1707
01:17:21.530 --> 01:17:24.593
The guy give me plate he urinates in it.

1708
01:17:27.490 --> 01:17:29.190
And he told me you want it or not.

1709
01:17:31.250 --> 01:17:33.343
I don't want it I don't want this food.

1710
01:17:34.450 --> 01:17:35.908
They said they respect religion,

1711
01:17:35.908 --> 01:17:36.741
they never respected religion.

1712
01:17:37.639 --> 01:17:38.800
<v Interviewer>And where were you force fed?</v>

1713
01:17:38.800 --> 01:17:40.500
In the clinic?

1714
01:17:40.500 --> 01:17:42.880
<v ->Well they have a special people they take him.</v>

1715
01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:44.960
They have a clinic a different clinic.

1716
01:17:44.960 --> 01:17:46.930
They have their clinic outside.

1717
01:17:46.930 --> 01:17:50.760
They have they brought me in a freezing area.

1718
01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:52.500
Is air conditioned very freezing.

1719
01:17:52.500 --> 01:17:53.950
And they brought you're naked.

1720
01:17:53.950 --> 01:17:57.350
They have a level of say like I used to sleep in bed,

1721
01:17:57.350 --> 01:17:59.473
was handcuffed like this.

1722
01:18:00.890 --> 01:18:03.750
One handcuff in right one in other side,

1723
01:18:03.750 --> 01:18:06.593
my legs open as well was handcuffed as well.

1724
01:18:07.830 --> 01:18:12.830
And this one he had gone to hospital for a hunger strike.

1725
01:18:13.130 --> 01:18:14.210
<v Interviewer>When you were force fed</v>

1726
01:18:14.210 --> 01:18:16.680
where you put in that chair that they used?

1727
01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:18.240
<v ->No in bed.</v>

1728
01:18:18.240 --> 01:18:19.650
<v Interviewer>You were in bed when they force fed you?</v>

1729
01:18:19.650 --> 01:18:21.790
<v ->They give you this one that's it.</v>

1730
01:18:21.790 --> 01:18:23.460
You can't do much about it.

1731
01:18:23.460 --> 01:18:25.673
Because he had been tied up says.

1732
01:18:27.180 --> 01:18:28.970
<v Interviewer>How many times a day do they force feed you?</v>

1733
01:18:28.970 --> 01:18:31.473
<v ->Oh I don't remember they bend.</v>

1734
01:18:32.520 --> 01:18:35.750
They have like food cans,

1735
01:18:35.750 --> 01:18:38.350
they just to come and put it in this

1736
01:18:38.350 --> 01:18:40.150
this straw in and they go.

1737
01:18:40.150 --> 01:18:40.983
<v Interviewer>Did you see other people?</v>

1738
01:18:40.983 --> 01:18:42.330
<v ->There's no first food.</v>

1739
01:18:42.330 --> 01:18:44.840
Is they put you some in your nose,

1740
01:18:44.840 --> 01:18:46.520
like a cup and a tap,

1741
01:18:46.520 --> 01:18:49.940
they just to put him in and it goes that's it.

1742
01:18:49.940 --> 01:18:51.390
They go through in your body.

1743
01:18:54.570 --> 01:18:57.700
It's not forced into in Egypt they do this,

1744
01:18:57.700 --> 01:19:00.050
in Egypt they put you in the floor,

1745
01:19:00.050 --> 01:19:02.077
and the two people open your mouth,

1746
01:19:02.077 --> 01:19:04.470
and they feed you by force.

1747
01:19:04.470 --> 01:19:05.303
<v Interviewer>They do that to you?</v>

1748
01:19:05.303 --> 01:19:06.680
<v ->Yes they done it so many times.</v>

1749
01:19:06.680 --> 01:19:09.156
<v Interviewer>Did you see other people being force fed</v>

1750
01:19:09.156 --> 01:19:10.246
in Guantanamo?
<v ->Oh yeah.</v>

1751
01:19:10.246 --> 01:19:14.020
They have one guy who was Palestinian,

1752
01:19:14.020 --> 01:19:15.513
who was over two years.

1753
01:19:15.513 --> 01:19:20.500
They have Kuwaiti guy but sometimes too.

1754
01:19:20.500 --> 01:19:22.270
So many people yeah.

1755
01:19:22.270 --> 01:19:24.240
<v Interviewer>Did you get to be friendly</v>

1756
01:19:24.240 --> 01:19:26.030
with anyone in Guantanamo?

1757
01:19:26.030 --> 01:19:28.030
Were you friendly with anyone in Guantanamo?

1758
01:19:28.030 --> 01:19:28.863
<v ->Like who?</v>

1759
01:19:29.890 --> 01:19:30.860
<v Interviewer>I know did you get to-</v>

1760
01:19:30.860 --> 01:19:33.993
<v ->Guards or you talk about the detainee?</v>

1761
01:19:35.375 --> 01:19:37.710
Well detainee it depend,

1762
01:19:37.710 --> 01:19:41.890
because the detainee even America making rooms inside,

1763
01:19:41.890 --> 01:19:45.100
they make people the detainee hate each other.

1764
01:19:45.100 --> 01:19:47.317
They make rumors this they work for us,

1765
01:19:47.317 --> 01:19:50.280
and this guy work for us and people start

1766
01:19:50.280 --> 01:19:52.080
not trusting each other they stupid.

1767
01:19:52.080 --> 01:19:54.207
Even play with the peoples mind

1768
01:19:54.207 --> 01:19:57.810
and some people believe it and some people say

1769
01:19:57.810 --> 01:20:00.730
America said we have a 300 people now,

1770
01:20:00.730 --> 01:20:02.060
Well maybe 200.

1771
01:20:02.060 --> 01:20:03.110
I don't believe that.

1772
01:20:04.220 --> 01:20:08.330
To me believe now in Guantanamo Bay not less

1773
01:20:08.330 --> 01:20:10.960
in at least 900 people there.

1774
01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:12.140
<v Interviewer>You think today?</v>

1775
01:20:12.140 --> 01:20:15.110
<v ->Today not less I'm guarantee that,</v>

1776
01:20:15.110 --> 01:20:19.413
not less than 900 people there with my guarantee.

1777
01:20:20.700 --> 01:20:23.880
And I know every place see they think am stupid,

1778
01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:26.703
but I've been every single place in Guantanamo Bay.

1779
01:20:26.703 --> 01:20:29.750
They remove me every single place.

1780
01:20:29.750 --> 01:20:33.113
Before I come was the building camp called camp six.

1781
01:20:34.340 --> 01:20:36.120
I know camp six before the building

1782
01:20:36.120 --> 01:20:37.360
I see the map of it.

1783
01:20:37.360 --> 01:20:39.510
I see the plan of it because

1784
01:20:39.510 --> 01:20:41.990
what the Australian done,

1785
01:20:41.990 --> 01:20:44.793
they put me Guantanamo Bay as Egyptian.

1786
01:20:46.520 --> 01:20:48.653
No one no know I am a Australian.

1787
01:20:48.653 --> 01:20:51.970
And that's why the guard to used to talk in English

1788
01:20:51.970 --> 01:20:54.070
and no one believe I understand English

1789
01:20:54.070 --> 01:20:55.620
because they think I'm an Arab.

1790
01:20:56.483 --> 01:21:00.180
And that's what the America this Australia did.

1791
01:21:00.180 --> 01:21:02.973
They put it as I am Egyptian.

1792
01:21:04.454 --> 01:21:09.140
What they gave me for my hand that they put the names,

1793
01:21:09.140 --> 01:21:11.763
they say E and G, Egyptian.

1794
01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:14.703
<v Interviewer>And so you could listen to,</v>

1795
01:21:14.703 --> 01:21:17.463
<v ->I listened to them I say,</v>

1796
01:21:17.463 --> 01:21:22.463
I know what the world...

1797
01:21:22.670 --> 01:21:25.220
I'm saying the world doesn't know.

1798
01:21:25.220 --> 01:21:28.080
And from Egypt, from Pakistan,

1799
01:21:28.080 --> 01:21:29.900
from that's why I broke a Australian,

1800
01:21:29.900 --> 01:21:33.120
I'm saying I'm glad of it,

1801
01:21:33.120 --> 01:21:34.440
I'm proud of it,

1802
01:21:34.440 --> 01:21:36.020
I'm a strong of it.

1803
01:21:36.020 --> 01:21:41.020
I'm saying, I know what's the broke Australian government.

1804
01:21:41.410 --> 01:21:45.820
I broke the Australian government because everything

1805
01:21:45.820 --> 01:21:49.190
I know it's truth.

1806
01:21:49.190 --> 01:21:51.760
And what the government involved with

1807
01:21:52.735 --> 01:21:55.320
is the biggest corrupt in the world

1808
01:21:55.320 --> 01:21:56.720
I see people die,

1809
01:21:56.720 --> 01:21:58.070
I see people killed,

1810
01:21:58.070 --> 01:22:01.410
I see people stealing money for no reason,

1811
01:22:01.410 --> 01:22:03.130
I see innocent people,

1812
01:22:03.130 --> 01:22:08.130
people from FBI and CIA was killed American.

1813
01:22:08.540 --> 01:22:10.143
They killed them in Egypt because

1814
01:22:10.143 --> 01:22:14.180
they changed their religion to Islam

1815
01:22:14.180 --> 01:22:18.023
and they was a CIA official and he become Muslim

1816
01:22:18.023 --> 01:22:22.220
and stay in Afghanistan his name Henry,

1817
01:22:22.220 --> 01:22:24.360
he was killed in Egypt.

1818
01:22:24.360 --> 01:22:25.263
He was with me.

1819
01:22:26.670 --> 01:22:27.760
I know leaders,

1820
01:22:27.760 --> 01:22:29.520
there's been kidnapped from different country

1821
01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:32.650
are being killed in Egypt in front of my own eye.

1822
01:22:32.650 --> 01:22:35.110
I know how the agency work.

1823
01:22:35.110 --> 01:22:36.410
<v Interviewer>When you were in Guantanamo</v>

1824
01:22:36.410 --> 01:22:39.490
did psychologists ever come to talk to you?

1825
01:22:39.490 --> 01:22:40.405
A psychologist?

1826
01:22:40.405 --> 01:22:41.238
<v ->Where?</v>

1827
01:22:41.238 --> 01:22:42.243
<v Interviewer>In Guantanamo.</v>

1828
01:22:44.540 --> 01:22:45.840
<v ->That's a funny question.</v>

1829
01:22:48.170 --> 01:22:53.170
Psychology is the business is running in Guantanamo Bay.

1830
01:22:54.290 --> 01:22:58.883
America sold Guantanamo Bay for all the doctors,

1831
01:22:59.900 --> 01:23:04.460
American doctor in America or different country

1832
01:23:04.460 --> 01:23:06.810
is the biggest business.

1833
01:23:06.810 --> 01:23:10.790
Call it experiment in Guantanamo Bay.

1834
01:23:10.790 --> 01:23:13.040
In Guantanamo Bay is a doctors.

1835
01:23:13.040 --> 01:23:15.380
It's not interrogator it's the doctors.

1836
01:23:15.380 --> 01:23:20.380
The doctor have a few detainee he want a surge.

1837
01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:26.303
He wanna make his study in this few people.

1838
01:23:27.440 --> 01:23:29.140
What's Habib story?

1839
01:23:29.140 --> 01:23:31.410
What's Bini Amin story?

1840
01:23:31.410 --> 01:23:32.530
What's this guy story?

1841
01:23:32.530 --> 01:23:35.050
I'm not interested people in Afghanistan,

1842
01:23:35.050 --> 01:23:35.883
I'm not interested.

1843
01:23:35.883 --> 01:23:37.620
I want people to have a brain.

1844
01:23:37.620 --> 01:23:40.173
I wanna study good case.

1845
01:23:41.240 --> 01:23:44.243
And this guy he sent his interrogator,

1846
01:23:45.250 --> 01:23:49.800
his interrogator work for his experiment.

1847
01:23:49.800 --> 01:23:54.140
And this guy he asked me the question he's been told to ask.

1848
01:23:54.140 --> 01:23:55.640
<v Interviewer>What kind of question would he ask?</v>

1849
01:23:55.640 --> 01:23:57.850
<v ->The band what the experiment go</v>

1850
01:23:57.850 --> 01:23:59.993
what the guy the doctor wants him to do,

1851
01:23:59.993 --> 01:24:03.090
because he's got him make a say,

1852
01:24:03.090 --> 01:24:06.810
make a surge and make a course like what you're doing now.

1853
01:24:06.810 --> 01:24:11.570
Study what torture study about how to treat him.

1854
01:24:11.570 --> 01:24:14.680
Because they try to make the American,

1855
01:24:14.680 --> 01:24:16.170
when they go into the war this one,

1856
01:24:16.170 --> 01:24:17.660
some of the people I was told

1857
01:24:17.660 --> 01:24:20.180
to hear the military themselves said

1858
01:24:20.180 --> 01:24:23.757
when they try to make that Spanish people say, they said,

1859
01:24:23.757 --> 01:24:28.757
"When American get in a war and they taken for torture,

1860
01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:34.520
they have to know what way they think people can talk."

1861
01:24:36.530 --> 01:24:38.010
And this was the practiced

1862
01:24:38.930 --> 01:24:41.163
What's the worst torture to it?

1863
01:24:42.120 --> 01:24:45.530
And that's what happened it's experiment place.

1864
01:24:45.530 --> 01:24:46.500
It's not a doctor

1865
01:24:46.500 --> 01:24:48.950
the hospital for temporary business

1866
01:24:48.950 --> 01:24:50.720
They doesn't care people get killed.

1867
01:24:50.720 --> 01:24:52.120
They put him there for that.

1868
01:24:52.970 --> 01:24:53.803
What's a big deal.

1869
01:24:53.803 --> 01:24:56.270
How many people do you know how many people been,

1870
01:24:56.270 --> 01:24:59.320
how many people America admit is been killed

1871
01:24:59.320 --> 01:25:01.840
in Guantanamo Bay did you know any?

1872
01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:05.400
Is America admits of anybody being dying

1873
01:25:05.400 --> 01:25:06.820
in Guantanamo Bay?

1874
01:25:06.820 --> 01:25:07.775
<v Interviewer>Yes, they do.</v>

1875
01:25:07.775 --> 01:25:08.608
<v ->How many?</v>

1876
01:25:08.608 --> 01:25:09.441
<v Interviewer>I think six.</v>

1877
01:25:09.441 --> 01:25:12.700
<v ->Six, are you believe yourself?</v>

1878
01:25:12.700 --> 01:25:17.700
Since 2001 until today six people die in Guantanamo Bay?

1879
01:25:21.200 --> 01:25:22.570
<v Interviewer>How many do you think died?</v>

1880
01:25:22.570 --> 01:25:24.580
<v ->I believe my own eyes.</v>

1881
01:25:24.580 --> 01:25:29.010
I see no less than 10 people die in front of my own eye.

1882
01:25:29.010 --> 01:25:30.230
<v Interviewer>How did they die?</v>

1883
01:25:30.230 --> 01:25:33.800
They die by kicked and hitting

1884
01:25:33.800 --> 01:25:35.463
and someone draining the water.

1885
01:25:36.580 --> 01:25:37.640
Oh man.

1886
01:25:37.640 --> 01:25:38.740
<v Interviewer>You saw people.</v>

1887
01:25:38.740 --> 01:25:41.740
<v ->I saw a guy, I was in the cell,</v>

1888
01:25:41.740 --> 01:25:46.663
this area next to camp four ask about camp four.

1889
01:25:47.610 --> 01:25:49.853
David Hicks know came before very well.

1890
01:25:50.730 --> 01:25:53.370
Camp four is a place, they have a few...

1891
01:25:53.370 --> 01:25:56.520
I used to tell people they have a woman in Guantanamo Bay.

1892
01:25:56.520 --> 01:25:57.353
People say, "No."

1893
01:25:57.353 --> 01:25:59.410
I say, "I hear a woman."

1894
01:25:59.410 --> 01:26:02.050
I see a woman, When they remove me inside.

1895
01:26:02.050 --> 01:26:06.340
I see a woman and young shield

1896
01:26:06.340 --> 01:26:10.970
10 months old, no one believed me, until the recently.

1897
01:26:10.970 --> 01:26:15.003
America admit they have a guy now his age is nine years old.

1898
01:26:15.003 --> 01:26:18.090
Does mean how hold he was when he was in Guantanamo Bay?

1899
01:26:18.090 --> 01:26:21.327
He's a gamey guy and the woman,

1900
01:26:21.327 --> 01:26:22.873
the one what's her name?

1901
01:26:23.863 --> 01:26:25.244
Afya.

1902
01:26:25.244 --> 01:26:28.030
She was there after how long?

1903
01:26:28.030 --> 01:26:30.270
Yeah, I saw her there in Guantanamo Bay

1904
01:26:30.270 --> 01:26:31.470
and I bought him my book

1905
01:26:32.710 --> 01:26:34.240
and no one believed me,

1906
01:26:34.240 --> 01:26:36.480
but I seen it because I've been removed.

1907
01:26:36.480 --> 01:26:38.713
They remove me every hour,

1908
01:26:39.640 --> 01:26:43.343
every single place in Guantanamo Bay I've seen it.

1909
01:26:44.430 --> 01:26:47.730
I seen it in my own eyes, they think I'm gonna be crazy.

1910
01:26:47.730 --> 01:26:50.310
And this is what the Australian government tried to say.

1911
01:26:50.310 --> 01:26:52.903
When I come back to him, Mr. Habib he is gone.

1912
01:26:54.070 --> 01:26:57.180
But doesn't work because I'm not crazy, I'm normal.

1913
01:26:57.180 --> 01:26:59.820
And this mercy from our last panel, the Alla from God,

1914
01:26:59.820 --> 01:27:01.293
it's not mercy from the America,

1915
01:27:01.293 --> 01:27:02.637
it's not mercy from Australia.

1916
01:27:02.637 --> 01:27:04.763
Australia doesn't feel for me.

1917
01:27:05.620 --> 01:27:08.500
And doesn't give me money because I'm a good boy.

1918
01:27:08.500 --> 01:27:10.440
I've been punished for no reason.

1919
01:27:10.440 --> 01:27:14.570
Now they give me money to shut me up, to keep me quiet.

1920
01:27:14.570 --> 01:27:16.420
But the money they give it to me.

1921
01:27:16.420 --> 01:27:19.680
It's not even one of my rights until today.

1922
01:27:19.680 --> 01:27:22.660
Australian government haven't been apology for me.

1923
01:27:22.660 --> 01:27:24.810
I've been harassed, they try to...

1924
01:27:24.810 --> 01:27:28.180
Since I was released and I come in Australia one week,

1925
01:27:28.180 --> 01:27:31.580
they not even leave me to rest with my family.

1926
01:27:31.580 --> 01:27:33.430
They tried to arrest me for double murder.

1927
01:27:33.430 --> 01:27:34.853
I see people get killed.

1928
01:27:35.810 --> 01:27:38.480
Even people innocent or whatever it is.

1929
01:27:38.480 --> 01:27:39.313
I called the police.

1930
01:27:39.313 --> 01:27:42.600
They come and they tried to set me up for murder case.

1931
01:27:42.600 --> 01:27:45.620
<v Interviewer>When you were released can tell us how,</v>

1932
01:27:45.620 --> 01:27:48.050
how you felt when you were released court?

1933
01:27:48.050 --> 01:27:48.883
Did you expect-

1934
01:27:48.883 --> 01:27:50.293
<v ->I wasn't believe it.</v>

1935
01:27:50.293 --> 01:27:53.433
Even ask, if you go back to Joe Maguli ask him.

1936
01:27:54.310 --> 01:27:56.090
Joe Maguli, he told him, listen,

1937
01:27:56.090 --> 01:27:58.510
I don't wanna see your face anymore.

1938
01:27:58.510 --> 01:28:00.630
I don't wanna even to say listen Habib

1939
01:28:00.630 --> 01:28:05.630
maybe one year, he take him to come back to get me out.

1940
01:28:07.970 --> 01:28:10.670
I said, don't come back because I don't wanna see you.

1941
01:28:12.250 --> 01:28:14.450
Before I've been released We was planning,

1942
01:28:14.450 --> 01:28:16.560
took it out of Guantanamo Bay.

1943
01:28:16.560 --> 01:28:18.820
And my plan, maybe you hit what

1944
01:28:18.820 --> 01:28:20.780
somebody after I left,

1945
01:28:20.780 --> 01:28:22.960
they tried to run away from Guantanamo Bay.

1946
01:28:22.960 --> 01:28:24.070
This is my plan was.

1947
01:28:24.070 --> 01:28:25.040
<v Interviewer>To run away.</v>

1948
01:28:25.040 --> 01:28:25.873
<v ->Yes.</v>

1949
01:28:25.873 --> 01:28:29.613
To get out of Guantanamo Bay because we know the system,

1950
01:28:29.613 --> 01:28:31.043
I was planning to do it.

1951
01:28:32.110 --> 01:28:33.323
We don't care if somebody have to die

1952
01:28:33.323 --> 01:28:35.560
to get the people released

1953
01:28:35.560 --> 01:28:37.529
and all after I left someone done it, I think.

1954
01:28:37.529 --> 01:28:39.080
<v Interviewer>To try to break out?</v>

1955
01:28:39.080 --> 01:28:40.740
<v ->Yes we tried.</v>

1956
01:28:40.740 --> 01:28:42.020
<v Interviewer>How would you have done?</v>

1957
01:28:42.020 --> 01:28:46.103
<v ->I was in camp India, right?</v>

1958
01:28:48.950 --> 01:28:50.770
I know every single thing We're changing Guantanamo Bay.

1959
01:28:50.770 --> 01:28:55.336
As my information, they take you in the room

1960
01:28:55.336 --> 01:28:59.810
outside in the shower area sometimes.

1961
01:28:59.810 --> 01:29:02.060
In the shower area, they have a small window.

1962
01:29:04.310 --> 01:29:06.083
They only release your hands.

1963
01:29:07.150 --> 01:29:10.690
When you go inside the shower, they have a window.

1964
01:29:10.690 --> 01:29:15.170
You give him hands to take the handcuff to take the legs off

1965
01:29:16.090 --> 01:29:19.760
from the down the bottom, down the bottom in camp India

1966
01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:22.730
is very high, you can take your head out.

1967
01:29:22.730 --> 01:29:25.260
I've been trying me and another two guys.

1968
01:29:25.260 --> 01:29:27.110
I don't want to mention names.

1969
01:29:27.110 --> 01:29:32.110
And, and one of Tony's in he's very tough person.

1970
01:29:33.540 --> 01:29:38.540
And one was Arabian and two people and three of them

1971
01:29:39.440 --> 01:29:41.264
I think that they been released.

1972
01:29:41.264 --> 01:29:43.614
Another two I don't know what happened to them.

1973
01:29:45.130 --> 01:29:48.100
When he got in the shower, the two shower was the same.

1974
01:29:48.100 --> 01:29:50.170
We're done already making

1975
01:29:52.430 --> 01:29:55.293
as some plan to do it.

1976
01:29:56.490 --> 01:29:59.380
But after are done this plan,

1977
01:29:59.380 --> 01:30:00.630
I think that they hear us

1978
01:30:01.900 --> 01:30:04.623
and I've been removed to camp five.

1979
01:30:06.250 --> 01:30:09.810
All right and sometime I was hitting

1980
01:30:09.810 --> 01:30:12.140
some people was trying to get this

1981
01:30:12.140 --> 01:30:14.143
and Cambodia to get out of.

1982
01:30:15.110 --> 01:30:19.742
But I wasn't even believe I've been gonna be release

1983
01:30:19.742 --> 01:30:21.800
but I was prepared to die any time.

1984
01:30:21.800 --> 01:30:23.270
<v Interviewer>Before you were released,</v>

1985
01:30:23.270 --> 01:30:26.033
could you send letters to your wife?

1986
01:30:27.650 --> 01:30:31.130
<v ->Australian government and American government</v>

1987
01:30:31.130 --> 01:30:33.833
they were sending a letter in my behalf.

1988
01:30:35.120 --> 01:30:37.060
I never write a letter.

1989
01:30:37.060 --> 01:30:38.120
<v Interviewer>You never wrote a letter to your...</v>

1990
01:30:38.120 --> 01:30:39.090
Why not?

1991
01:30:39.090 --> 01:30:43.840
<v ->Because I don't wanna make my wife believe I'm surviving</v>

1992
01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:47.303
because I wasn't even believed my family survive.

1993
01:30:48.980 --> 01:30:51.663
I was thinking all died already.

1994
01:30:51.663 --> 01:30:52.496
<v Interviewer>Why?</v>

1995
01:30:52.496 --> 01:30:56.830
<v ->And even I wanna tell them my mind, even the survive,</v>

1996
01:30:56.830 --> 01:30:58.900
because that's what I was told.

1997
01:30:58.900 --> 01:31:01.900
That's what they show me in Egypt that my family was killed.

1998
01:31:04.026 --> 01:31:05.337
<v Interviewer>So you thought they had...</v>

1999
01:31:05.337 --> 01:31:08.410
<v ->And I want to tell myself is the truth.</v>

2000
01:31:08.410 --> 01:31:09.850
That's what they told me.

2001
01:31:09.850 --> 01:31:10.870
And I told myself,

2002
01:31:10.870 --> 01:31:13.440
I have to believe that. And it's good for me.

2003
01:31:13.440 --> 01:31:15.380
Make me keep going.

2004
01:31:15.380 --> 01:31:16.883
<v Interviewer>And you never got a letter from your wife,</v>

2005
01:31:16.883 --> 01:31:17.850
from the red cross?

2006
01:31:17.850 --> 01:31:19.270
<v ->They used to give me a letter.</v>

2007
01:31:19.270 --> 01:31:20.960
I didn't accept anything.

2008
01:31:20.960 --> 01:31:22.240
Even in the reports say,

2009
01:31:22.240 --> 01:31:24.210
Habib doesn't accept anything.

2010
01:31:24.210 --> 01:31:26.530
Even the guy come from Australia,

2011
01:31:26.530 --> 01:31:29.590
his name Taca, Australian official.

2012
01:31:29.590 --> 01:31:32.450
He's talking to me and I don't accept anything from him.

2013
01:31:32.450 --> 01:31:33.823
I know even talking to him.

2014
01:31:35.160 --> 01:31:37.710
<v Interviewer>And when you left Guantanamo</v>

2015
01:31:37.710 --> 01:31:39.023
you came home,

2016
01:31:40.010 --> 01:31:42.860
What did you feel when you saw your wife and children?

2017
01:31:42.860 --> 01:31:45.410
<v ->To be honest was for nearly one year.</v>

2018
01:31:45.410 --> 01:31:47.906
I'm not believe it's the truth.

2019
01:31:47.906 --> 01:31:51.700
I wasn't believed this is my wife and this my kids not true.

2020
01:31:51.700 --> 01:31:53.970
I was thinking I'm not drugs

2021
01:31:53.970 --> 01:31:57.343
or it's a brainwash or something not real.

2022
01:31:58.540 --> 01:32:01.653
And sometime until today, or sometime happened to me again.

2023
01:32:02.770 --> 01:32:05.310
<v Interviewer>Wait, who was on the plane with you</v>

2024
01:32:05.310 --> 01:32:06.560
When you left Guantanamo?

2025
01:32:08.840 --> 01:32:11.143
<v ->The plane with me was alternant general.</v>

2026
01:32:11.143 --> 01:32:14.910
Australian official is from the alternant general,

2027
01:32:14.910 --> 01:32:18.233
the same person he's saying never Habib,

2028
01:32:19.980 --> 01:32:22.490
he gonna have a dollar from Australia for bullshit,

2029
01:32:22.490 --> 01:32:26.903
the same person he is assigned for me now recently,

2030
01:32:27.800 --> 01:32:31.080
to pay me some amount of money for apology,

2031
01:32:31.080 --> 01:32:35.760
the same person he fly with me from Guantanamo Bay to here.

2032
01:32:35.760 --> 01:32:37.580
I had to talk with this guy,

2033
01:32:37.580 --> 01:32:39.870
and I just to try to make my wife believe

2034
01:32:39.870 --> 01:32:42.530
what I said is the truth, in front of him.

2035
01:32:42.530 --> 01:32:45.193
I said, is did Australia torture me?

2036
01:32:45.193 --> 01:32:48.730
I say, yes, but this is off record.

2037
01:32:48.730 --> 01:32:50.340
Say why off record,

2038
01:32:50.340 --> 01:32:53.410
that Mr. Habib. We settled the case with you today.

2039
01:32:53.410 --> 01:32:54.950
Send this money and give it to me.

2040
01:32:54.950 --> 01:32:58.863
It's not settling the case, but give me my dignity.

2041
01:33:00.530 --> 01:33:03.570
But I want you to tell in front of my wife,

2042
01:33:03.570 --> 01:33:06.470
did you see me, I am fear?

2043
01:33:06.470 --> 01:33:10.024
Say now, that when you was in the fly with Joe Maguli

2044
01:33:10.024 --> 01:33:12.800
was Joe Maguli next to you

2045
01:33:12.800 --> 01:33:16.740
and the fly was a private fly because that's why

2046
01:33:16.740 --> 01:33:18.880
they put me in the past because I was kidnapped.

2047
01:33:18.880 --> 01:33:21.190
They can't take me in the military ones.

2048
01:33:21.190 --> 01:33:23.603
Like David Hicks and the others.

2049
01:33:23.603 --> 01:33:27.280
All right, now he was inside the flight.

2050
01:33:27.280 --> 01:33:31.298
He even scared to come out the door of the flight.

2051
01:33:31.298 --> 01:33:35.400
I have two guard behind me and another one was sniper.

2052
01:33:35.400 --> 01:33:38.060
And one right in the back was a sniper.

2053
01:33:38.060 --> 01:33:41.530
And say, if you turn the face, we shoot you in the head.

2054
01:33:41.530 --> 01:33:44.870
And I did tell my face, he doesn't shoot me in my head.

2055
01:33:44.870 --> 01:33:48.177
And I told the, I asked him this question from my wife said,

2056
01:33:48.177 --> 01:33:50.200
"The guy told me if you turn your face,

2057
01:33:50.200 --> 01:33:51.510
you're going to shoot me in my head."

2058
01:33:51.510 --> 01:33:52.343
Say yes.

2059
01:33:52.343 --> 01:33:54.240
And I said, "Did I turn my head?"

2060
01:33:54.240 --> 01:33:55.350
He say "Yes."

2061
01:33:55.350 --> 01:33:58.270
So you say, you think I fear? I'm not fear.

2062
01:33:58.270 --> 01:34:01.910
<v Interviewer>Were you shackled on the plane going home?</v>

2063
01:34:01.910 --> 01:34:03.500
<v ->No, no way in the world.</v>

2064
01:34:03.500 --> 01:34:06.920
This is Magalia asked if I'd done any crime in shackled.

2065
01:34:06.920 --> 01:34:09.393
That's mine say, this is my dignity.

2066
01:34:10.400 --> 01:34:12.150
That's what I got a dignity for me

2067
01:34:12.150 --> 01:34:13.670
because I haven't done any crime.

2068
01:34:13.670 --> 01:34:16.300
They can shackle me because I have no case against me.

2069
01:34:16.300 --> 01:34:19.770
And this is what Australia until today suffering.

2070
01:34:19.770 --> 01:34:23.183
They was trying to say Habib done crime,

2071
01:34:24.080 --> 01:34:27.330
but I haven't, they done crime, I haven't.

2072
01:34:27.330 --> 01:34:29.220
<v Interviewer>When you landed with your wife,</v>

2073
01:34:29.220 --> 01:34:30.450
she'll be waiting for you there?

2074
01:34:30.450 --> 01:34:34.860
<v ->Yeah, it was a lot of media coverage and people white.</v>

2075
01:34:34.860 --> 01:34:37.240
But this story, because Australian say, oh,

2076
01:34:37.240 --> 01:34:39.160
it doesn't mean Mr. Habib came in

2077
01:34:39.160 --> 01:34:40.500
and having been a charge.

2078
01:34:40.500 --> 01:34:43.090
This mean he's not guilty, bare rubbish.

2079
01:34:43.090 --> 01:34:47.460
But now we find out the old corrupt from the Prime Minister

2080
01:34:47.460 --> 01:34:50.900
to everybody, they are corrupt criminal.

2081
01:34:50.900 --> 01:34:53.880
They lot of people, victim of the corruption,

2082
01:34:53.880 --> 01:34:55.840
but did there this to honest people.

2083
01:34:55.840 --> 01:34:57.170
<v Interviewer>If I was going to ask you</v>

2084
01:34:57.170 --> 01:34:58.880
if it's possible and might not be,

2085
01:34:58.880 --> 01:35:00.520
but if it's possible, we ask,

2086
01:35:00.520 --> 01:35:03.087
if we form a detainee is question,

2087
01:35:03.087 --> 01:35:06.150
what might've been the worst experience

2088
01:35:06.150 --> 01:35:07.010
you had in Guantanamo?

2089
01:35:07.010 --> 01:35:12.010
Is it possible for you to pick something that

2090
01:35:12.200 --> 01:35:15.183
shows the worst of what you experienced?

2091
01:35:16.401 --> 01:35:20.734
<v ->In Guantanamo Bay, to me it's a second experience.</v>

2092
01:35:22.839 --> 01:35:27.800
Cause the first experience was Egypt, I think was Pakistan.

2093
01:35:27.800 --> 01:35:32.350
But Pakistan as is, is a beginner.

2094
01:35:32.350 --> 01:35:35.803
And I was believing Pakistan is not gonna be longer.

2095
01:35:37.230 --> 01:35:40.089
But when I went to Egypt, this, I forgot all about itself.

2096
01:35:40.089 --> 01:35:42.380
Now I'm there and that other person,

2097
01:35:42.380 --> 01:35:43.883
and this is what I count myself,

2098
01:35:43.883 --> 01:35:48.230
I die in this time, I did die in this time.

2099
01:35:48.230 --> 01:35:53.230
Then when I finish and to tell you experience

2100
01:35:55.890 --> 01:35:58.910
is worst experience to give you

2101
01:35:58.910 --> 01:36:02.420
is playing with your mind, brainwashed.

2102
01:36:02.420 --> 01:36:03.800
It's the worst.

2103
01:36:03.800 --> 01:36:06.410
It is because there's a mentally

2104
01:36:06.410 --> 01:36:08.460
or your life stick with you.

2105
01:36:08.460 --> 01:36:10.483
Cause they did play with my mind.

2106
01:36:11.810 --> 01:36:13.230
And it's, it's a,

2107
01:36:13.230 --> 01:36:15.220
I don't know what they did with others,

2108
01:36:15.220 --> 01:36:17.320
because in Guantanamo Bay a lot of people,

2109
01:36:17.320 --> 01:36:21.350
they get distressed because with a darkness,

2110
01:36:21.350 --> 01:36:23.530
no sleep and is no sleep,

2111
01:36:23.530 --> 01:36:26.530
make you a really aggressive person.

2112
01:36:26.530 --> 01:36:28.100
It's until now I am.

2113
01:36:28.100 --> 01:36:31.270
Sometime I get angry because for no sleep

2114
01:36:31.270 --> 01:36:32.410
sometime I couldn't sleep

2115
01:36:32.410 --> 01:36:35.180
because I feel myself as it's not the same,

2116
01:36:35.180 --> 01:36:39.090
it's come back for me, but it's not the issue.

2117
01:36:39.090 --> 01:36:44.090
But the brain wash to make you different person who you are.

2118
01:36:44.360 --> 01:36:48.140
This is harder that to get your person back, it's not easy,

2119
01:36:48.140 --> 01:36:50.380
it will take you all your life.

2120
01:36:50.380 --> 01:36:51.320
And that's what they did.

2121
01:36:51.320 --> 01:36:54.030
They brainwash, brainwash is not easy

2122
01:36:55.190 --> 01:36:56.350
and they give you different.

2123
01:36:56.350 --> 01:36:59.380
They try to put you and a different person

2124
01:36:59.380 --> 01:37:00.280
than what you are.

2125
01:37:01.900 --> 01:37:02.800
<v Interviewer>I understand you have</v>

2126
01:37:02.800 --> 01:37:04.450
to leave in about five minutes.

2127
01:37:04.450 --> 01:37:05.283
<v ->Yes thank you.</v>

2128
01:37:05.283 --> 01:37:07.080
<v Interviewer>Is there something you'd like</v>

2129
01:37:07.080 --> 01:37:09.810
to say in closing or something I didn't ask you

2130
01:37:09.810 --> 01:37:11.090
that you would like to share with us.

2131
01:37:11.090 --> 01:37:12.108
<v ->Well,</v>

2132
01:37:12.108 --> 01:37:14.608
what I've tried to tell you or not tell the world,

2133
01:37:16.590 --> 01:37:20.123
is any government, as my experience,

2134
01:37:21.040 --> 01:37:22.980
they're not interested about public,

2135
01:37:22.980 --> 01:37:25.466
they're interested about themselves,

2136
01:37:25.466 --> 01:37:27.910
they're criminal, they do crime.

2137
01:37:27.910 --> 01:37:29.740
They doesn't mean the crime.

2138
01:37:29.740 --> 01:37:32.680
How much cost or how much worse, much harm,

2139
01:37:32.680 --> 01:37:34.880
main thing they make money

2140
01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:38.890
and to make it as what they wanna do

2141
01:37:38.890 --> 01:37:40.370
for their own benefit.

2142
01:37:40.370 --> 01:37:43.115
They doesn't believe in the humanity.

2143
01:37:43.115 --> 01:37:45.530
And as I said in the beginning,

2144
01:37:45.530 --> 01:37:48.760
Jack Thomas has been in a country in Afghanistan.

2145
01:37:48.760 --> 01:37:49.890
He is a fighter.

2146
01:37:49.890 --> 01:37:52.710
He was a leader of the Column Amir.

2147
01:37:52.710 --> 01:37:55.560
And the same council, Alistro Adam

2148
01:37:55.560 --> 01:37:59.530
the same one he order

2149
01:37:59.530 --> 01:38:01.440
and he had me over to the Egyptian

2150
01:38:02.310 --> 01:38:05.090
and hand me over to the Guantanamo Bay.

2151
01:38:05.090 --> 01:38:07.550
The same person he done the birthday party

2152
01:38:07.550 --> 01:38:10.830
for this guy and he was wrong.

2153
01:38:10.830 --> 01:38:13.000
He was threatened the world,

2154
01:38:13.000 --> 01:38:16.240
he make him birthday party and make him contact his lawyer

2155
01:38:16.240 --> 01:38:17.073
in Australia.

2156
01:38:17.073 --> 01:38:18.450
And they send him back in Australia,

2157
01:38:18.450 --> 01:38:23.150
not in Guantanamo Bay, say, see what the issue is?

2158
01:38:23.150 --> 01:38:25.910
A dive he takes to make them as an Australian hero.

2159
01:38:25.910 --> 01:38:28.880
It doesn't matter, are you white or black, or whatever.

2160
01:38:28.880 --> 01:38:32.420
Maybe all you have a worry about the Australian people

2161
01:38:32.420 --> 01:38:34.970
more than these people, I did not believe.

2162
01:38:34.970 --> 01:38:39.340
Or that's what I believe myself, because I ate in this hand,

2163
01:38:39.340 --> 01:38:43.754
this country, in this land, I live with these people.

2164
01:38:43.754 --> 01:38:46.640
I don't have to be do any crime, doesn't mean

2165
01:38:46.640 --> 01:38:51.200
I have nothing against you until you harm me.

2166
01:38:51.200 --> 01:38:53.100
But if you touch me, I broke your arm.

2167
01:38:54.070 --> 01:38:56.453
If you go to me, I kiss your hand.

2168
01:38:57.700 --> 01:38:59.510
That's what it is.

2169
01:38:59.510 --> 01:39:03.310
You touch my family, I'm not gonna let you go.

2170
01:39:03.310 --> 01:39:07.390
But if you go to me, whatever you want from me, I give you,

2171
01:39:07.390 --> 01:39:08.933
I don't know what religion are you.

2172
01:39:08.933 --> 01:39:13.030
They're not interested to my religion ever you believe

2173
01:39:13.030 --> 01:39:16.233
and anyone fight behind the religion is a liar.

2174
01:39:17.130 --> 01:39:20.860
Religion, till you fight for your land, for your home,

2175
01:39:20.860 --> 01:39:23.520
for your wife, for your kids.

2176
01:39:23.520 --> 01:39:26.010
Does until you fight because

2177
01:39:26.010 --> 01:39:27.853
you want something from somebody.

2178
01:39:29.020 --> 01:39:30.860
All right, respect.

2179
01:39:30.860 --> 01:39:35.860
I respect the land where I am because this land keep me,

2180
01:39:37.250 --> 01:39:40.580
and I respect the law of this land

2181
01:39:40.580 --> 01:39:42.570
because I live in this land.

2182
01:39:42.570 --> 01:39:44.970
But if this land doesn't respect me,

2183
01:39:44.970 --> 01:39:49.900
I'll have to fight back in a law what the play with.

2184
01:39:49.900 --> 01:39:52.994
I say play because it's not true, it's not law.

2185
01:39:52.994 --> 01:39:55.770
Australian country playing is a law,

2186
01:39:55.770 --> 01:39:57.960
but they don't have the law.

2187
01:39:57.960 --> 01:40:01.363
The playing game with the system, they kidnapped me.

2188
01:40:01.363 --> 01:40:03.690
They tried to accuse me.

2189
01:40:03.690 --> 01:40:06.030
But I win, in the end of the story,

2190
01:40:06.030 --> 01:40:09.230
because of you and the other people, they believe

2191
01:40:11.290 --> 01:40:13.170
I haven't done anything wrong.

2192
01:40:13.170 --> 01:40:17.473
After how long I prove myself now is over 10 years,

2193
01:40:17.473 --> 01:40:19.310
I've been fight for it.

2194
01:40:19.310 --> 01:40:21.410
The guy in Canada, only for nine months,

2195
01:40:21.410 --> 01:40:26.410
they get $10 million for just few months torture.

2196
01:40:26.670 --> 01:40:31.283
I've been for four years and God know how torture I have.

2197
01:40:32.450 --> 01:40:33.500
They know themselves.

2198
01:40:33.500 --> 01:40:35.850
They admit what I've been through.

2199
01:40:35.850 --> 01:40:37.303
They make me paralyze,

2200
01:40:38.150 --> 01:40:41.940
but I'm not about the money, about the dignity.

2201
01:40:41.940 --> 01:40:44.260
Dignity never is a waste of money.

2202
01:40:44.260 --> 01:40:46.570
They waste anything,

2203
01:40:46.570 --> 01:40:48.453
you can't get it with dignity.

2204
01:40:49.510 --> 01:40:52.040
And that's what it is, the truth.

2205
01:40:52.040 --> 01:40:54.020
And this is what we after the truth.

2206
01:40:54.020 --> 01:40:55.320
And that's why I'm saying,

2207
01:40:55.320 --> 01:40:57.930
I must stand up with a very loud voice,

2208
01:40:57.930 --> 01:40:59.280
and I tell the world,

2209
01:40:59.280 --> 01:41:02.390
I can fight any government because I'm honest

2210
01:41:02.390 --> 01:41:05.500
and I'm better on the Prime Minister even Obama himself.

2211
01:41:05.500 --> 01:41:08.560
I call him as a liar sometimes ago, we would say,

2212
01:41:08.560 --> 01:41:09.840
why not give him a chance?

2213
01:41:09.840 --> 01:41:11.690
He's the guy who started saying no,

2214
01:41:11.690 --> 01:41:14.730
because he know he is not gonna do what he say.

2215
01:41:14.730 --> 01:41:17.900
He signed agreement where soon he stepped in the government,

2216
01:41:17.900 --> 01:41:21.740
he said, "Close Guantanamo bay."

2217
01:41:21.740 --> 01:41:25.520
I said, he can't close Guantanamo Bay

2218
01:41:25.520 --> 01:41:27.470
because he can afford it,

2219
01:41:27.470 --> 01:41:30.690
because whatever, come from Guantanamo Bay the make people,

2220
01:41:30.690 --> 01:41:33.650
fight against America, all their life.

2221
01:41:33.650 --> 01:41:36.630
Because if the guy 10 months old,

2222
01:41:36.630 --> 01:41:40.223
he's taken in Guantanamo Bay accusing as a terrorist,

2223
01:41:41.250 --> 01:41:44.240
this guy, he gonna come back out of Guantanamo Bay

2224
01:41:44.240 --> 01:41:45.880
he gonna fight again for his life.

2225
01:41:45.880 --> 01:41:48.080
Cause he lost his life.

2226
01:41:48.080 --> 01:41:51.440
And he sees mom in Guantanamo Bay raped

2227
01:41:51.440 --> 01:41:54.300
for no reason because America want that

2228
01:41:54.300 --> 01:41:55.910
or the Prime Minister want that.

2229
01:41:55.910 --> 01:41:57.040
And he close his eye

2230
01:41:57.040 --> 01:41:58.730
he turn his face and say, yeah, yeah,

2231
01:41:58.730 --> 01:42:01.560
the terrorist and not truth.

2232
01:42:01.560 --> 01:42:03.640
People is not gonna let him go.

2233
01:42:03.640 --> 01:42:05.660
That's why he can't close Guantanamo Bay.

2234
01:42:05.660 --> 01:42:07.310
And I'm honest I said the truth.

2235
01:42:07.310 --> 01:42:09.250
This is why they media respect me.

2236
01:42:09.250 --> 01:42:12.253
He is a liar, did he close Guantanamo Bay?

2237
01:42:13.510 --> 01:42:16.440
Checkup in the media checkup Habib what he say about Obama.

2238
01:42:16.440 --> 01:42:19.860
When he start say Obama never gonna close Guantanamo Bay

2239
01:42:19.860 --> 01:42:22.570
because he can't afford it to close Guantanamo Bay.

2240
01:42:22.570 --> 01:42:23.720
I know better than him.

2241
01:42:25.790 --> 01:42:28.750
I know the world, I see too much,

2242
01:42:28.750 --> 01:42:30.720
but the world doesn't know much.

2243
01:42:30.720 --> 01:42:31.730
You doesn't know.

2244
01:42:31.730 --> 01:42:33.330
That's why I'm talking to you today.

2245
01:42:33.330 --> 01:42:34.830
That's why I come all the way.

2246
01:42:34.830 --> 01:42:36.030
It doesn't matter cost,

2247
01:42:36.030 --> 01:42:39.550
but how much to release for you and for us,

2248
01:42:39.550 --> 01:42:42.500
people still believe because that's me and you.

2249
01:42:42.500 --> 01:42:44.440
We not live in a jungle.

2250
01:42:44.440 --> 01:42:47.470
We call ourself a human being is different between

2251
01:42:47.470 --> 01:42:50.883
the human being and the animal, big different.

2252
01:42:52.140 --> 01:42:56.173
The animal they get his, what he wants by fighting.

2253
01:42:57.610 --> 01:43:01.910
You take what he wants by tongue,

2254
01:43:01.910 --> 01:43:05.350
because animal can't express his feeling by tongue.

2255
01:43:05.350 --> 01:43:08.283
It could express his feeling by hand.

2256
01:43:09.440 --> 01:43:13.210
We not use our hand until we need our hand.

2257
01:43:13.210 --> 01:43:15.800
And that's what I tried to tell the world is

2258
01:43:15.800 --> 01:43:17.810
it's not really, as my issue,

2259
01:43:17.810 --> 01:43:20.470
people have to decide who's right and who's wrong

2260
01:43:20.470 --> 01:43:22.470
for themselves and the end of the story,

2261
01:43:22.470 --> 01:43:25.140
America never believe any Prime Minister,

2262
01:43:25.140 --> 01:43:26.577
who try to help you out.

2263
01:43:26.577 --> 01:43:27.767
He tried to help himself.

2264
01:43:27.767 --> 01:43:31.500
He tried to help his pocket to try to get a much,

2265
01:43:31.500 --> 01:43:33.800
much good time for himself

2266
01:43:33.800 --> 01:43:37.340
the soon he stay in the parliament house

2267
01:43:37.340 --> 01:43:40.340
or in the state in a house of the government

2268
01:43:40.340 --> 01:43:42.030
under the money of the government.

2269
01:43:42.030 --> 01:43:43.300
He tried to enjoy himself.

2270
01:43:43.300 --> 01:43:46.673
He doesn't care about what anybody else they lie.

2271
01:43:47.611 --> 01:43:49.287
<v Interviewer>Wow! I wish we could go on</v>

2272
01:43:49.287 --> 01:43:51.840
but we have to end so I wanna thank you.

2273
01:43:51.840 --> 01:43:56.840
And you need to take 20 seconds of quiet for Johnny,

2274
01:43:57.130 --> 01:43:59.960
the filmmaker to just have room tone.

2275
01:43:59.960 --> 01:44:01.220
So if you wouldn't mind.

2276
01:44:01.220 --> 01:44:02.053
<v ->All right.</v>

2277
01:44:02.890 --> 01:44:04.507
<v Film maker>Picking room tone.</v>

2278
01:44:15.557 --> 01:44:17.280
(indistinct)

2279
01:44:17.280 --> 01:44:18.830
<v Interviewer>Thank you, sir.</v>