WEBVTT 1 00:00.000 --> 00:03.000 Well, you can't tell winter from summer— 2 00:03.000 --> 00:06.000 That's true. 3 00:06.000 --> 00:16.000 —now, it don't look like. Don't have no real cold weather. When you've seen an icicle? You used to see icicles on the ground. I've been wearing shoes all my life. 4 00:16.000 --> 00:21.000 Were there some students who came without shoes? 5 00:21.000 --> 00:22.000 Huh? 6 00:22.000 --> 00:23.000 Were there students who came without shoes? 7 00:23.000 --> 00:30.000 Oh, yeah. Come barefoot. Yes, some of them come barefoot. 8 00:30.000 --> 00:32.000 Was that road here? 9 00:32.000 --> 00:32.000 Huh? 10 00:32.000 --> 00:34.000 Was that road right there or was that— 11 00:34.000 --> 00:34.000 Yeah. 12 00:34.000 --> 00:35.000 —man made? 13 00:35.000 --> 00:38.000 Yeah, that's been a road ever since I've been big enough. 14 00:38.000 --> 00:38.000 Was it paved like that? 15 00:38.000 --> 00:38.000 No. 16 00:38.000 --> 00:38.000 Or gravel? 17 00:38.000 --> 00:38.000 Dirt road. 18 00:38.000 --> 00:45.000 It was a dirt road. 19 00:45.000 --> 00:54.000 Get stuck down there on it. I pulled a many of them out mud, coming up the hill from our cemetery back there we stopped at. 20 00:54.000 --> 00:57.000 How were teachers viewed in the community? How did people feel about teachers? 21 00:57.000 --> 01:33.000 Fine. They'd whoop your—tear up with—We'd go down the swamp and some of the fellows would get them hickory switches, and some of them would gather just a regular switch. And they didn't do much, no. We got our lessons. And the only thing, me and the other boy, we used to chew up balls of paper and take and throw it across and hit one another across—in the schoolhouse. And you better not go to Sunday school with chewing no chewing gum. 22 01:33.000 --> 01:35.000 Yeah? 23 01:35.000 --> 01:46.000 Didn't allow you to do that. Don't even bring none in your mouth. Because the teacher come to Sunday school too. Catch on Sunday, she'd see about you that Monday morning. 24 01:46.000 --> 01:48.000 Oh, yeah? 25 01:48.000 --> 02:30.000 Yeah. Of course, since then, children do what they want to do. These past few years there's been fighting in the school. And that's one thing, we didn't have no fighting, which when I was coming up. Running around in the sand. One thing I told them, "I'd rather fall out—I'd rather grow up, stay up in there, than go into water." I don't have nothing to do with the water. Going up in there, that's quick death. But if I'm down there in the water—Somebody said, "If you're a good swimmer and one in there and catch you, he might drown you, trying to keep from drowning." 26 02:30.000 --> 02:32.000 That's true. 27 02:32.000 --> 02:36.000 Of course, I never did—Well, I used to go to the creek over there in Jonesboro, our home creek over here. Just walk around the water after going to Sunday school. We went to Sunday school when we were coming up. What is that down by that tree there? The root of that tree. It looks like cat there. Do you see it? 28 02:36.000 --> 02:36.000 Yeah, it does look like—It's not a cat though. 29 02:36.000 --> 02:36.000 It's just a piece of wood. 30 02:36.000 --> 02:36.000 Piece of wood. 31 02:36.000 --> 02:36.000 Is it? 32 02:36.000 --> 02:36.000 Yeah. 33 02:36.000 --> 02:36.000 I looked there and saw the tail, myself. First thing I thought about, a cat. 34 02:36.000 --> 02:36.000 [indistinct 00:03:03]. 35 02:36.000 --> 02:36.000 It looks like a cat. Yeah, it looks like a cat right there. 36 02:36.000 --> 02:36.000 Now that, just under— 37 02:36.000 --> 02:36.000 The root? 38 02:36.000 --> 02:36.000 It's a—You could go under that there. 39 02:36.000 --> 02:36.000 Oh, those bricks right there? 40 02:36.000 --> 02:36.000 Yeah, there. There's a place under there that goes around under there. 41 02:36.000 --> 02:36.000 All right. 42 02:36.000 --> 03:39.000 Kept the wood under there. We kept the wood there. 43 03:39.000 --> 03:44.000 Okay. How would the people dress in the school? Would— 44 03:44.000 --> 03:53.000 Dress like you dress. We used to buy fertilizing sacks, and some of them make the dresses and things out of them cotton sacks. 45 03:53.000 --> 03:55.000 Mm-hmm. Burlap sacks? Burlap. 46 03:55.000 --> 04:09.000 Cotton sacks. Yeah. But now they got a whole paper bag. Make 50 pounds, 25 pounds. Used to be had 200 pounds fertilizer, take two or three of them sacks, three or four shirts. Make them underwear and wear it sometimes. I been walking all my life. I'm 88 years old. 47 04:09.000 --> 04:25.000 Oh, say what? 48 04:25.000 --> 04:53.000 Thirteenth of this month, I'll be three months. Eighty-eight and three months. Fourth month in 1306. When I first married my wife, I stayed with her 54 years, I used to walk [indistinct 00:04:51] from Notasulga, down home. 49 04:53.000 --> 04:54.000 Yeah? 50 04:54.000 --> 04:55.000 Oh my goodness. 51 04:55.000 --> 04:57.000 I tell them I—If I wanted to, I could walk to Tuskegee. 52 04:57.000 --> 04:57.000 From Notasulga? 53 04:57.000 --> 04:57.000 Yeah. 54 04:57.000 --> 04:57.000 Oh my gosh. 55 04:57.000 --> 04:57.000 You couldn't walk that far, could you? 56 04:57.000 --> 05:06.000 No, sir. 57 05:06.000 --> 06:09.000 Yeah, I can walk. I've been walking all my life. Ain't nobody had to help me do nothing. I get up in the morning, I have to sit up there and then my—Of course, I do a little wobbling a little bit. My blood level, poor leg circulation. And I can still holler loud. Some of them who had some meeting up here this week, this past week—If you don't feel nothing, don't say nothing when the preacher going on. If you feel something, say anything you want to say. Preach. Like it. I love that singing. I do. I love that singing. Preaching too. Good for you. 58 06:09.000 --> 06:10.000 Mm-hmm. 59 06:10.000 --> 06:42.000 Yeah. The person going along in the world, don't say nothing much. He can't enjoy his own self. You got to jump around. Like that fellow was talking up there, talk and say something. I've been far as Cheyenne, Wyoming, Colorado. I got people in Maine, back to Mexico. Had a girl stayed in Montreal, for 11 years, but she's in the northern part of California now. She was out there when they had that earthquake. 60 06:42.000 --> 06:43.000 Earthquake? 61 06:43.000 --> 06:59.000 But it was in the southern part. We had a trip out there, but I never did go out there. We went to Baltimore, Maryland about three or four weeks ago. I had been to Baltimore, Maryland, back in '51. 62 06:59.000 --> 07:01.000 '51? 63 07:01.000 --> 07:06.000 I went to Niagara Falls. 64 07:06.000 --> 07:08.000 Oh, you've been to Canada too? 65 07:08.000 --> 07:11.000 No, not—I don't mean—The one in New York there. 66 07:11.000 --> 07:17.000 Okay. You ever been to New Hampshire? 67 07:17.000 --> 07:29.000 And we went to New York, and we went on out there to Long Island, New York, where they raise strawberries and white potatoes. We carried some boys up there and left them. 68 07:29.000 --> 07:30.000 You left them? 69 07:30.000 --> 07:47.000 They worked up there. Hector Holiday, he and—He went to school up there in Connecticut, so after Tuskegee, they were staying there. That's my older sister's children, four of them. And aren't y'all from Houston, Texas? 70 07:47.000 --> 07:47.000 Uh-uh. 71 07:47.000 --> 07:47.000 But anyhow, he's the president of that school down there. 72 07:47.000 --> 07:56.000 Oh, really? 73 07:56.000 --> 08:10.000 He's got over 200,000 children, and he's the superintendent of them. When he went there, they didn't have but one old White lady teaching. Now he's the head of the school, and got 40 working under him. 74 08:10.000 --> 08:11.000 That's all right. 75 08:11.000 --> 08:17.000 Give him $100,000 a year. He comes over here pretty regular— 76 08:17.000 --> 08:21.000 Okay. 77 08:21.000 --> 08:50.000 —with my oldest sister. They stayed down there with little Tuskegee, down there with little green fork. They got a home down there. Holiday. They finished in—Well, Hector's the only one finished. He got all of his education. And Kenny, Kenny said, "Uncle Charlie, I can get a good job without going to school." He makes three or $4,000 a month. He works for the Shell Oil Company, out there on the water, there in Houston, Texas. 78 08:50.000 --> 09:29.000 They been wanting him to go over in Africa and operate, but he said he didn't want to leave his family and go over there and stay. He's going to stay there with his family. That year when we was out to—Where were we? Columbus, Ohio, I think. Out when there was an earthquake that year, and out there in—What's that place? Over the pond there? DuBois. Not—What is it? 79 09:29.000 --> 09:32.000 What place is that? 80 09:32.000 --> 10:07.000 I was trying to think of what they called them boys. I said across the pond over there, where the bridge fell in that year. Kenny used to be over there. It's out west. Montreal? No, not Montreal. But there's a place out there and they used to play. The Dodgers beat them one year, and then Tommy Lasorda went over there and beat them twice, and they come back over here and beat him. Come back from—What's that other place over there? It's— 81 10:07.000 --> 10:12.000 [indistinct 00:10:11]? 82 10:12.000 --> 10:12.000 No. Italy? No, it ain't Italy. 83 10:12.000 --> 10:12.000 [indistinct 00:10:13], I don't know. You said from— 84 10:12.000 --> 10:12.000 From Niagara Falls. 85 10:12.000 --> 10:12.000 You're talking about Albany, New York, surrounding area? 86 10:12.000 --> 10:12.000 Canada? Up in Canada? 87 10:12.000 --> 10:28.000 Well, it wasn't Canada, but it was crossing another nation. 88 10:28.000 --> 10:28.000 Alaska or—I don't know. 89 10:28.000 --> 10:38.000 England? 90 10:38.000 --> 11:05.000 But anyhow, it's a bridge across there in the year that they had a little light earthquake out there. And Kenny was working with the company, and they sent him up there, and they had a little earthquake. And in the end of that bridge, what drove that fall, it's a big lake you go across. Just like down here in Pensacola, Florida, it's over the little water right after you leave Miami. 91 11:05.000 --> 11:05.000 Yeah, that's true. 92 11:05.000 --> 11:07.000 Pensacola, Florida. Well that little place back up here, northwest. 93 11:07.000 --> 11:07.000 Oh, okay. 94 11:07.000 --> 12:16.000 Anyhow, it's back up there, northwest. They sent Kenny up there from Houston, Texas. And the bridge—And there's a ball team over there. And the daddy is the owner of them, and I think his son do the managing. Korea? No, it ain't that. Anyhow, it's somewhere between Mexico and Maine. But anyhow, I just know Tommy Lasorda. They went over there and beat them twice, and then they come back over here and beat them twice. Two years. 95 12:16.000 --> 12:16.000 Who is that? I was trying to think of it. 96 12:16.000 --> 12:16.000 Huh? 97 12:16.000 --> 12:18.000 Yeah, only thing I can think of is Japan, has a baseball team. 98 12:18.000 --> 12:24.000 This here is a little pond. Right up here in the northwest. You go across there. It's a bridge across. It's like it is down in— 99 12:24.000 --> 12:26.000 Niagara? I don't know where up there. 100 12:26.000 --> 13:13.000 Niagara Falls? No, my daughter—I've got a daughter in Niagara Falls. She's a registered nurse up there. She was down to the family reunion here in—seventh to the 10th, we were in Atlanta. Family reunion. In Columbus, Ohio, year before last. Have them every two years. Yeah, girl stays up there in Niagara Falls. And Odella down there in Brooklyn, New York. They were down with the school down there. The name of that little thing on up there, across that pond? And they had a little earthquake out there a year or two ago. 101 13:13.000 --> 13:15.000 Oh, really? 102 13:15.000 --> 13:18.000 They sent Kenny up there. 103 13:18.000 --> 13:20.000 Where, in California? 104 13:20.000 --> 13:22.000 Yes, out from California there. 105 13:22.000 --> 13:23.000 Okay. 106 13:23.000 --> 13:31.000 It's back up northwest and—And I always looked at it. I look at it all the ballgames, but this year, it's all a different story kind of, with the ballgames. 107 13:31.000 --> 13:34.000 Yeah. 108 13:34.000 --> 13:46.000 And that team over there, I love to see them play, because the boy, he always keep his hair—pulling his hat off, feeling his hair, pushing his hat back. Headed back down. 109 13:46.000 --> 13:48.000 Do you remember the old Negro teams? 110 13:48.000 --> 13:49.000 Huh? 111 13:49.000 --> 13:54.000 Do you remember the Negro teams? Baseball teams. 112 13:54.000 --> 13:55.000 Oh, yeah. 113 13:55.000 --> 13:57.000 You ever see them play? 114 13:57.000 --> 13:59.000 Yeah. At least our battalion. 115 13:59.000 --> 14:02.000 Who did you see? 116 14:02.000 --> 14:29.000 Carver Bailey, Joe Morse, Raymond Tripp, Luther Morse, Bubba Morse, Albert Robertson, and Siebert, all them were old ball players. We used to be where—We used to go way up there in Society Hill, going towards Columbus, on two of those wagons. Go up there on two of those wagons. Used to go over there to East Tullis on two of those wagons. Go right through here. 117 14:29.000 --> 14:31.000 Were the games segregated? 118 14:31.000 --> 14:32.000 Huh? 119 14:32.000 --> 14:35.000 Did you have to sit someplace else, other than the White folks? 120 14:35.000 --> 14:50.000 We didn't have no White folks in the game then. I never did play with no ball, with no White folks. I played when I'd go in the school, but I never did play no more ball. I used to catch a little fouler. This place I bought, that's where I was born, [indistinct 00:14:52]. 121 14:50.000 --> 14:50.000 [indistinct 00:14:53]? 122 14:50.000 --> 15:13.000 Hm? 123 15:13.000 --> 15:13.000 I was saying, y'all don't have church every Sunday. Y'all have it the first and third Sunday? 124 15:13.000 --> 15:13.000 Yeah. Used to have it once a month. 125 15:13.000 --> 15:13.000 Once a month? 126 15:13.000 --> 15:13.000 Yeah. Every third Sunday. But now we have it— 127 15:13.000 --> 15:13.000 Twice a month. 128 15:13.000 --> 15:13.000 Yeah, twice a month. And some of the churches have it every Sunday. 129 15:13.000 --> 15:15.000 Yeah. 130 15:15.000 --> 16:06.000 Yeah. Well you see, it used to be a heap of people around here, but you see, most of young people now, they're in town. Ain't nobody out in the country [indistinct 00:15:29] here now. And the children born now, they leave, go someplace. From my house back to the truck stop, it used to be plenty houses back in there. With farming back there then, we always made plenty money farming. You just—I made plenty money, spent a plenty of it. And back during that study, they gave me 32 and a half thousand dollars. And I bought a—I gave my wife $10,000. 131 16:06.000 --> 16:07.000 What study is that? 132 16:07.000 --> 16:11.000 Huh? That's the Tuskegee Study, syphilis study. 133 16:11.000 --> 16:12.000 Oh, what you were telling me about? 134 16:12.000 --> 16:23.000 Yeah. They gave me 32 and a half thousand dollars. Somebody asked me did I spend it. I said, "Hell yeah, that's what your money's for, spend." But you make money with money. 135 16:23.000 --> 16:23.000 Right. 136 16:23.000 --> 16:24.000 You don't— 137 16:24.000 --> 16:27.000 [indistinct 00:16:27]. 138 16:27.000 --> 17:07.000 I got a—At least my sister passed on now. He down there to the house now. He's got the old timer's disease now. Don't know—Everything is gone, old timer's. And he don't know nothing, but he goes to church every Sunday, and goes out to eat every day. He married my sister. They are—Some of them don't like for me to tell it, but he had $800 when he married my sister. They married when they were 25 or 30. And they have a daughter who was born in '39. First day of '39. 139 17:07.000 --> 17:14.000 [indistinct 00:17:13]. 140 17:14.000 --> 17:59.000 She graduated. Dot came on eight years after she came on. She's in Atlanta. She works in the big library up there. Berta and them, her husband, they teach around up there in Washington. But Laura and Melvin, that's where they are. They went to work up in Washington. They got an education, but I expect I made more money than they made. Farming. You farm, watch the market and study. Cotton, corn, anything. 141 17:59.000 --> 18:17.000 But that was my brother-in-law down there. Nobody there but him, and he's old timing. Got the old timer's. He don't know nothing. 142 18:17.000 --> 18:18.000 Do you remember— 143 18:18.000 --> 18:19.000 Never did know nothing. 144 18:19.000 --> 18:20.000 —Do you remember Marcus Garvey? 145 18:20.000 --> 18:21.000 Huh? 146 18:21.000 --> 18:33.000 Do you remember Marcus Garvey back then? With the UNIA, Marcus Garvey? Back then, a lot of places in the South were doing a lot with the UNIA back then, with Marcus Garvey. 147 18:33.000 --> 18:42.000 Marcus Garvey, from New York. United Negro Improvement Association, was—Do you remember him? 148 18:42.000 --> 18:57.000 I don't know. I've been free all my life, as far as I'm concerned. I know when everything was going on, and when King— 149 18:57.000 --> 18:57.000 Right. 150 18:57.000 --> 19:34.000 —I was raised down there at that home. I wasn't raised in that house. I was raised—I grew up three quarters, in back of my house. That's 340, and I was born on that 40 back there. But when I moved up on top of the hill from the home house down there, I was two years old. And I had a sister born, and she had some kind of scales. Dr. Giles said he didn't know nothing about that back then. He didn't know nothing to it. And he said, "Get some of her clothes and put them in the stove and burn them up, and that scale will leave her." And that worked. 151 19:34.000 --> 19:34.000 Oh, yeah? 152 19:34.000 --> 19:34.000 Yeah. 153 19:34.000 --> 19:34.000 Some of her clothes in the stove? 154 19:34.000 --> 19:34.000 Yeah. Burn them, let her smell it. That broke it up. 155 19:34.000 --> 19:35.000 Did they talk about stuff like that a lot down here? The spells and spirits? 156 19:35.000 --> 20:34.000 Some of them did, but I never did think—I used to go all through the cemetery, trying to find something. I ain't seen nothing out there. Never. I'll pass through up here, all times of the night, and I'll ride my mule. I'll go off looking for cows after school. Down in our home, we had cows would go right up here to fellow's oat field. But I'd go up there at night and get them, and bring them on back down. Railroad them on back down to the house. That's when we were turning them out, to run out everywhere. But coming home, you had to keep them off the highway. Don't get—Rest all your cows [indistinct 00:20:34]— 157 20:34.000 --> 20:35.000 Did you believe that work? The spell? 158 20:35.000 --> 20:36.000 Huh? 159 20:36.000 --> 20:37.000 The clothes, did you believe it? 160 20:37.000 --> 20:38.000 Yeah. 161 20:38.000 --> 20:38.000 Yeah? 162 20:38.000 --> 20:57.000 Yeah. I had pneumonia twice. They thought I was going to leave here, but it get walked around. The doctor waited so long, he sent me one out. And the lady worked on me, midwife they had back then, midwives. She was there with me, both of those times, '21 and '31. 163 20:57.000 --> 20:59.000 You had a Black doctor then? 164 20:59.000 --> 20:59.000 Uh-uh, White. 165 20:59.000 --> 21:06.000 Okay. 166 21:06.000 --> 21:09.000 Didn't have no Black then. I never did have no—I used to go to Dr. Hughes them, way up here then. Of course, during that study, Dr. Dilbert was giving those shots. 167 21:09.000 --> 21:09.000 Doctor who? 168 21:09.000 --> 21:09.000 Dilbert. 169 21:09.000 --> 21:19.000 Okay. 170 21:19.000 --> 21:23.000 He gave me those shots in my hip. In my backbone there. 171 21:23.000 --> 21:26.000 Mm-hmm. How did you feel after that? 172 21:26.000 --> 21:27.000 Felt good. 173 21:27.000 --> 21:27.000 Okay. 174 21:27.000 --> 22:04.000 But some of them, you have to stay still. What they had, a nurse on this side and a nurse over here, nurse on my head and one—Dr. Dilbert, back there in the chair and I had to draw up there and stay right still, and it's four or five of them doing it. But when I had in that Dr. Capa, in Montgomery, I went down there one day and got signed up. Went back the next time, and he gave me one in the same spine. He put me in the bed, told me what to do, just lay up there. 175 22:04.000 --> 22:35.000 At least lay on my side, draw up my legs, and put my hand down on my knee and sit down on my heel, and lay over on my back side. And he got back there, right there, back there, and stuck that thing. Told me, "Just be still." Just took me and him, did that. Put that back there, and I just laid still there, and drew as tight as I could. And hold it here, and he—Go in there around. See, he'd go in those joints. Go in that needle up there. 176 22:35.000 --> 22:37.000 They were giving you money for that? 177 22:37.000 --> 22:38.000 No, they weren't giving me no money. 178 22:38.000 --> 22:45.000 No? 179 22:45.000 --> 22:49.000 Uh-uh. They put a spinal in me. I had to have a spinal. Dr. Capasi already had done had another one, but he— 180 22:49.000 --> 22:55.000 I remember—Is that when you found out? You called attorney Gray? 181 22:55.000 --> 23:51.000 That was the first beginning of it, when we talked to him, 1932, '33. Yeah, right down there. She came out—Well I was at the stockyard, and that White lady came up. She was from Birmingham. She had been to [indistinct 00:23:18]. They said—I had called down home and the girl said I was gone to the stock market. And I was down to the whipper stock yard, and she came down there and found me. Took me out there and talked a little, and whooped me. Then the next morning, three or four of them—That's the day I went out and Fred—And they had to—Nurse said, "Gone over there to Fred. Gone over there to Fred." 182 23:51.000 --> 23:54.000 What did Fred say? 183 23:54.000 --> 23:56.000 He just took the case. 184 23:56.000 --> 23:57.000 Okay. 185 23:57.000 --> 23:58.000 Took the case, yep. 186 23:58.000 --> 24:03.000 Didn't the president have something to do with it too? Kennedy. 187 24:03.000 --> 25:13.000 Yeah. He's the one got everything to going back there then. Yeah. But the little money they gave us, I been doing it. I told them just pile me up from 100,000. I told them to just put up a pile out there, and give me the interest off of it every day from now on. Put up $10 billion, give me the interest off it, every day. What that make? Whenever it come through, the interest, a million dollars, be a million dollars a day, give me that from now on. Nobody know how long you're going to live. Government thought I would have been dead, but I done seen them go in. 188 25:13.000 --> 25:13.000 So how did you feel about that? Them giving you money for that? I mean, the amount of money you got. 189 25:13.000 --> 25:58.000 I told them it wasn't nothing. Shit, I borrowed more money than that. I could go anywhere. You know when you've got collateral, and I had plenty cows. Running a big farm, I used to make three or 400 a day, off of cotton. But my daddy died in '57, he farmed with mules. In '58, I bought a tractor, '61, I bought another one. '65, government took those children out the field to educate them. I bought me another tractor and a cotton picker. I went to farming then, rice. Didn't farm nothing but cotton and cattle. I had 150 heads of cows. 190 25:58.000 --> 26:00.000 Damn. Did your family work together on the farm, your children? 191 26:00.000 --> 26:01.000 I ain't had nobody to work. I hired all these people. 192 26:01.000 --> 26:09.000 Oh, you had to hire everyone? 193 26:09.000 --> 26:43.000 Yeah. Of course I didn't—And then my oldest sister, she went to Tuskegee Institute and graduated. But when those children went to school, that were picking cotton for my daddy, the government put them in school, so I bought a cotton picker. A little tractor and a cotton picker, one burned propane gas. Picked four or five—It'd take 100 hands to pick four, five bales of cotton. But we used to do that then. I could pick that in a day. See, I made money. 194 26:43.000 --> 27:24.000 One year, my daddy—I was just telling him about some of them said it didn't make no money. How in the heck he had what he had if it didn't make money? Just people ain't got good common sense. Some of they said, "How did he make it?" Worked and made it. I talk about my brother-in-law so much, they moved off the peckers. They ain't stayed nowhere but on a peckerwood place. I ain't never been on one's place. I had a place to doo-doo since I was—Most of the people didn't have that. 195 27:24.000 --> 27:24.000 Right. 196 27:24.000 --> 27:30.000 Be on the White man's place. I got a bunch where—We're going back through there. I'll carry you back through there. 197 27:30.000 --> 27:31.000 Okay. 198 27:31.000 --> 27:46.000 They've been out there on around rail town and everywhere else. Anyhow, I always liked to take the money and do something with it. Give it to somebody, help somebody. 199 27:46.000 --> 27:47.000 Can I go that way? 200 27:47.000 --> 28:06.000 Yeah, we can go look down there. You could turn around here in the yard, you have to [indistinct 00:27:56]. That's it. Whichever you want. Whichever you want, it don't matter. You could back down that hill and go down through—But anyway, it's just getting used to it. 201 28:06.000 --> 28:06.000 Right. 202 28:06.000 --> 28:28.000 Around that way, go on around the church, come on back this way. 203 28:28.000 --> 28:31.000 Would it be cold in there in the wintertime? 204 28:31.000 --> 28:46.000 Oh, no. We had coal. We brought coal in there then. Of course I didn't go to school much there. I had went around up there. Up there. I don't never [indistinct 00:28:43]. Stay over this way, because you don't want to hit that. 205 28:46.000 --> 28:47.000 I'm going down this way here, right? 206 28:47.000 --> 28:47.000 Yeah. Go on now, come on. Go ahead. [indistinct 00:28:59]. 207 28:47.000 --> 29:07.000 What are they doing? 208 29:07.000 --> 29:23.000 Huh? All of these trailers in here now. That's one of our old—Sam White's place right there. His daughter lives there. And that's where I started, right back there. 209 29:23.000 --> 29:24.000 Oh, yeah? 210 29:24.000 --> 29:41.000 Yeah. I used to own all of that. A half a mile in here. Half a mile down to my house from—I'm a mile from home. That girl stays there. Several of them stay there. We're going to turn to the right, right here. I want to go by— 211 29:41.000 --> 29:41.000 Right here? 212 29:41.000 --> 29:42.000 Yeah. 213 29:42.000 --> 29:43.000 The first one? 214 29:43.000 --> 29:53.000 Yeah. Yeah. Old right when you get a chance. 215 29:53.000 --> 29:54.000 Another right? 216 29:54.000 --> 30:30.000 Yeah. I used to own all of that. What bought that out there, he was from Mobile. Mimms. He went back to Mobile to see about his mother and father. He was a teacher. He did that too. He got kids by a girl there and he gave it to her. That girl there, one-eyed Shawnda. I finally got him a blacktop road. 217 30:30.000 --> 30:31.000 Keep straight? 218 30:31.000 --> 30:39.000 No, just turn here. That stops right there. Just one house yonder. His wife died here, last year. 219 30:39.000 --> 30:41.000 How about that old house right there? 220 30:41.000 --> 31:14.000 That's an old house. I bought it too, when I bought this place. Paid 5400 for it. That's where Jessie—She was the first one built a house there. And that was the first trailer was put there. And this girl put a trailer—She stayed down there on her place. That boy, Purdy, he bought that house there. Deola and Martin, their folks stay there. That's where Helen stayed at one month, girlfriend. That's the old— 221 31:14.000 --> 31:38.000 Go over there, round on down here. Under the hill. I sold them all of that there. That's the first house built up here. 222 31:38.000 --> 31:39.000 That one right there? 223 31:39.000 --> 31:49.000 Yeah. That boy there, old Bill Johnson, that's the one that rents the country. 224 31:49.000 --> 31:50.000 Oh, yeah? 225 31:50.000 --> 32:23.000 Old Bill Johnson fat. Tore up now. I sold them all of this in there. Alabama is noted for pine trees. Take it easy going on down there because the blacktop goes out down there. That's it. 226 32:23.000 --> 32:24.000 Down there? 227 32:24.000 --> 32:42.000 Yeah, we can go down there all right. Just take it easy, would you? I thought the blacktop was all the way, but when they came over here, they give out of blacktop, I think. Those lots and things. See how the trees done grew? 228 32:42.000 --> 32:44.000 Mm-hmm. 229 32:44.000 --> 32:55.000 I come over here. right across over there, I come over there and cut $5,000 worth of timber off it. Just went off and left it, three acres. And I come up there and cut pulp wood off. 230 32:55.000 --> 32:58.000 You cut it with—How did you cut it? 231 32:58.000 --> 32:59.000 People bought it. 232 32:59.000 --> 33:02.000 With a saw and you cut it? 233 33:02.000 --> 33:22.000 Yeah. Yeah, they saw it with power saws. To cut pulp wood—You know about the cord. They give me $20 a cord. Don't get in this here. Go around this tree. 234 33:22.000 --> 33:25.000 Which way? That way? 235 33:25.000 --> 33:30.000 Pull up this way and we'll back it up. 236 33:30.000 --> 33:32.000 We're getting ready to go back the other way now. 237 33:32.000 --> 33:34.000 I expect we better back up, of course I don't know go down that way. 238 33:34.000 --> 33:37.000 We can go out this way? 239 33:37.000 --> 33:53.000 Yeah. We can go on out this way. Not a regular thing, but—That's where I—I cut that timber out through there. They left here and went back to New York, too good. Shoot, I cut the timber off it. It's some timber out there now you can cut. You know, pines and that. But that was last year, the year before last. 240 33:53.000 --> 33:59.000 So this way? 241 33:59.000 --> 33:59.000 Yeah. Go on up this way. 242 33:59.000 --> 34:00.000 [indistinct 00:34:01]? 243 34:00.000 --> 34:13.000 Yeah. You see this little road over here. You're all right. 244 34:13.000 --> 34:19.000 [indistinct 00:34:19]. 245 34:19.000 --> 34:23.000 Huh? I'm coming down here and cut some timber, I think. 246 34:23.000 --> 34:35.000 [indistinct 00:34:30]. 247 34:35.000 --> 34:38.000 [indistinct 00:34:33]. This still your land here? 248 34:38.000 --> 34:45.000 Yeah. I own the land. Yeah, I used to own it. I had sold it. That's where—And they done left here. 249 34:45.000 --> 34:48.000 I think we're going to go on someone's property now. 250 34:48.000 --> 34:49.000 Huh? 251 34:49.000 --> 34:52.000 I think we're going to be riding on somebody's property. 252 34:52.000 --> 34:54.000 Just tell them—You're all right. We're going to go down to this house here. 253 34:54.000 --> 34:54.000 How we're going to get out of there? 254 34:54.000 --> 34:54.000 Gone up there. 255 34:54.000 --> 34:54.000 I think we better go out this way. 256 34:54.000 --> 34:54.000 No. Gone up here. That's where— 257 34:54.000 --> 34:54.000 I don't want to get in this way of the road. 258 34:54.000 --> 35:20.000 Huh? But you can't go out through here though. Turn around and go— 259 35:20.000 --> 35:20.000 [indistinct 00:35:21]. 260 35:20.000 --> 35:22.000 —What, you want to turn around and go back? 261 35:22.000 --> 35:22.000 You can [indistinct 00:35:25]. 262 35:22.000 --> 35:22.000 I think I need to cut on to this. 263 35:22.000 --> 35:22.000 But it's a ditch out there. 264 35:22.000 --> 35:22.000 I'm not going to get in a ditch. 265 35:22.000 --> 35:22.000 You're going to turn around? You can turn— 266 35:22.000 --> 35:38.000 No, you're going to go around the ditch. I mean, not around. 267 35:38.000 --> 35:38.000 You can't—You don't even know. 268 35:38.000 --> 35:43.000 Hm? Dog ain't going to move. I mean, he'll move. We can go through here on where that house stop right up there. 269 35:43.000 --> 35:44.000 Go this way? 270 35:44.000 --> 35:46.000 Yeah. He'll get out the way. 271 35:46.000 --> 35:53.000 Let me get on out of here. 272 35:53.000 --> 36:00.000 Yeah. Take it easy now. Go on over that way, where you see you're coming through these trails up here. 273 36:00.000 --> 36:01.000 I don't think we're going to make it through here. 274 36:01.000 --> 36:01.000 Yeah, you are. 275 36:01.000 --> 36:17.000 You got it. [indistinct 00:36:04]. 276 36:17.000 --> 36:18.000 I can't get through that way. 277 36:18.000 --> 36:26.000 [indistinct 00:36:18]. 278 36:26.000 --> 36:26.000 What? What you got to— 279 36:26.000 --> 36:26.000 Keep straight out that way? I think we need to turn around or something. 280 36:26.000 --> 36:26.000 On up here. 281 36:26.000 --> 36:26.000 See up there where that car is, right? 282 36:26.000 --> 36:26.000 Go up there a little bit. Go up there a little bit. 283 36:26.000 --> 36:30.000 Go up there a little bit? 284 36:30.000 --> 36:31.000 Yeah, go up there and turn up there and back up. It's leveled all out there. 285 36:31.000 --> 36:31.000 Go to the left. Go to the left. 286 36:31.000 --> 36:33.000 Huh? 287 36:33.000 --> 36:36.000 See, there's a road coming out towards us. 288 36:36.000 --> 36:37.000 That's somebody's yard. 289 36:37.000 --> 36:56.000 Well anyhow, what I'm talking about, you go out there and turn around. We go right back the way we came up here. Ain't nothing out here. Nothing but the level ground, and you can turn around out here anyway. Now pull up the hill there, but cut it short and back up. 290 36:56.000 --> 36:56.000 What's that over there? 291 36:56.000 --> 36:56.000 It's a little house right back there in the grove. 292 36:56.000 --> 37:05.000 Uh-huh. I'm talking about right there. 293 37:05.000 --> 37:06.000 That fence. 294 37:06.000 --> 37:07.000 That's a road. Yeah, it sure is. 295 37:07.000 --> 37:07.000 Yeah, that's the road. 296 37:07.000 --> 37:07.000 It is a road right there. 297 37:07.000 --> 37:07.000 That's the road to go around. You just— 298 37:07.000 --> 37:07.000 Actually, you can just keep straight up that way. 299 37:07.000 --> 37:07.000 That way? 300 37:07.000 --> 37:07.000 Yeah. Right. 301 37:07.000 --> 37:07.000 [indistinct 00:37:18]. 302 37:07.000 --> 37:07.000 Yeah, you see all of it. I know where I'm at now. 303 37:07.000 --> 37:07.000 [indistinct 00:37:24]. 304 37:07.000 --> 37:07.000 Now turn around. 305 37:07.000 --> 37:07.000 Huh? 306 37:07.000 --> 37:40.000 You ain't got to worry about it. This a brand new car, it'll be all right. 307 37:40.000 --> 37:57.000 Yeah, come on out through here. This way, you can—That boy stays back in there. I know all of them. 308 37:57.000 --> 38:06.000 Don't get out the—Don't you get out the road. Let them get out the road. Turn your glass down. Hello, Ms. Deola. 309 38:06.000 --> 38:06.000 Ooh, Lord. Hey, there. (Pollard laughs) How y'all doing? 310 38:06.000 --> 38:06.000 Fine. 311 38:06.000 --> 38:16.000 We're just riding around. 312 38:16.000 --> 38:17.000 How you doing? 313 38:17.000 --> 38:21.000 You're just riding around? 314 38:21.000 --> 38:21.000 Yeah, and— 315 38:21.000 --> 38:22.000 Well that's nice. 316 38:22.000 --> 38:33.000 —Yeah. We started to turn around down yonder where the girls were, but I told them come on up this way to get through. These some boys from down at Tuskegee Institute. We used to— 317 38:33.000 --> 38:33.000 How you doing? 318 38:33.000 --> 38:33.000 [indistinct 00:38:34]. 319 38:33.000 --> 38:33.000 I was just hollering at y'all. 320 38:33.000 --> 38:33.000 I'm trying to see if I know the people. 321 38:33.000 --> 38:33.000 No, you don't know them. 322 38:33.000 --> 38:33.000 What? I don't know them? 323 38:33.000 --> 38:33.000 No, you don't know them. 324 38:33.000 --> 38:33.000 How you doing? 325 38:33.000 --> 38:33.000 They're so friendly, I see that. 326 38:33.000 --> 38:33.000 That's it. 327 38:33.000 --> 38:33.000 Cast them a smile. 328 38:33.000 --> 38:33.000 Yeah. 329 38:33.000 --> 38:33.000 Okay. 330 38:33.000 --> 38:33.000 Delighted to meet you. 331 38:33.000 --> 38:33.000 Stacey Scales. Good to meet you. 332 38:33.000 --> 38:33.000 I saw you going—Who you say this young people? 333 38:33.000 --> 38:33.000 They're from Tuskegee Institute. 334 38:33.000 --> 38:36.000 Students. 335 38:36.000 --> 38:55.000 Oh, indeed. 336 38:55.000 --> 38:55.000 Yeah. 337 38:55.000 --> 38:55.000 That's lovely. 338 38:55.000 --> 38:59.000 You're from where, Louisiana? 339 38:59.000 --> 39:00.000 I'm originally from Indiana. 340 39:00.000 --> 39:00.000 Oh, ain't that so nice? 341 39:00.000 --> 39:00.000 Yes, ma'am. 342 39:00.000 --> 39:00.000 Tywanna. 343 39:00.000 --> 39:00.000 Oh, that is so kind— 344 39:00.000 --> 39:00.000 How you doing? 345 39:00.000 --> 39:10.000 —of you. I told my son, I said, "That looks like Mr. Pollard." 346 39:10.000 --> 39:10.000 Yeah. 347 39:10.000 --> 39:10.000 Oh, he's a nice person. He's the nicest person I ever met. 348 39:10.000 --> 39:18.000 Yeah, he's all right. 349 39:18.000 --> 39:19.000 Yeah, that's what I been telling them. 350 39:19.000 --> 39:19.000 We met him about 34 years ago. This my [indistinct 00:39:22]. 351 39:19.000 --> 39:25.000 It's been that long? 352 39:25.000 --> 39:25.000 Uh-huh, 34 years. We used to gather his cotton for him. 353 39:25.000 --> 39:25.000 That's it. 354 39:25.000 --> 39:32.000 My daughter and myself. 355 39:32.000 --> 39:32.000 That's it. They've been asking what did people do, and I told them, "We worked around down there and had a good time coming on up." 356 39:32.000 --> 39:32.000 That's right. 357 39:32.000 --> 39:32.000 It's just different people. 358 39:32.000 --> 39:32.000 Oh, that's right. 359 39:32.000 --> 39:32.000 Different people, they can't think. 360 39:32.000 --> 39:32.000 That's true. 361 39:32.000 --> 39:32.000 Everybody can't think. 362 39:32.000 --> 39:46.000 That's true. That is real true. 363 39:46.000 --> 39:48.000 Nothing but, if they tell you to do something, you won't ever do nothing. Something that the God Almighty— 364 39:48.000 --> 39:48.000 You have to. 365 39:48.000 --> 39:48.000 —you know, you get it from Him. 366 39:48.000 --> 39:48.000 You know you have to do something to accomplish something. 367 39:48.000 --> 39:48.000 That's it. That's it. 368 39:48.000 --> 39:48.000 You can't just sit in a school, looking for everything to find you. 369 39:48.000 --> 39:48.000 Fall in your mouth. 370 39:48.000 --> 39:48.000 You've got to get up and offer yourself, and do it for something. 371 39:48.000 --> 40:00.000 And do it. That's it. That's it. 372 40:00.000 --> 40:05.000 You see, I've experienced where y'all young people on your way. 373 40:05.000 --> 40:05.000 That's it. 374 40:05.000 --> 40:05.000 You're in the educated field. I wasn't, but I got common sense. 375 40:05.000 --> 40:05.000 That's it. 376 40:05.000 --> 40:05.000 You can't just sit down, just looking for everything— 377 40:05.000 --> 40:05.000 Come up here. 378 40:05.000 --> 40:05.000 —[indistinct 00:40:15]. "I can't get this. I can't—" Get up off of yourself and— 379 40:05.000 --> 40:05.000 Do something. 380 40:05.000 --> 40:05.000 —show what you want. If you want something, you can— 381 40:05.000 --> 40:05.000 You can get it. 382 40:05.000 --> 40:05.000 —get something. 383 40:05.000 --> 40:05.000 That's right. 384 40:05.000 --> 40:05.000 I'm not going to hold you, because I know you've got to go. 385 40:05.000 --> 40:05.000 That was well said. 386 40:05.000 --> 40:05.000 But I'm so glad to meet you. 387 40:05.000 --> 40:31.000 Okay, you too. 388 40:31.000 --> 40:32.000 Come on. I told them we'd come right by you, and I told them to stop here. 389 40:32.000 --> 40:32.000 Oh, I'm so glad you've done that, Mr. Parlor. 390 40:32.000 --> 40:41.000 So I could holler at you. 391 40:41.000 --> 40:43.000 —Mr. Parlor. I am so glad. Well I hope to see you all in the near future, and I hope you be successful in whatever you engage in. 392 40:43.000 --> 40:43.000 Thank you. Take care. 393 40:43.000 --> 40:43.000 All right. 394 40:43.000 --> 40:43.000 I'll be back. 395 40:43.000 --> 40:43.000 All right, Mr. Parlor. You do that now. 396 40:43.000 --> 40:43.000 All right. 397 40:43.000 --> 40:50.000 Okay. 398 40:50.000 --> 40:50.000 Don't get me now. 399 40:50.000 --> 40:51.000 All right. Okay. Take care. 400 40:51.000 --> 40:59.000 Bye now. 401 40:59.000 --> 41:02.000