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<v ->Once we knew that we would attack the training centers,</v>

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but that it would be more than just a missile attack,

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we were actually gonna put boots on the ground

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and we would take any kind of

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captives that we could, and try and exploit them

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for intelligence purposes, find out as much as we could.

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One day, and I can't really pin it down,

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but I got a call from Jim Haynes,

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who was the DOD General Counsel,

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and he said, "We're gonna be picking some people up,

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and we need a place to take them

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where we'll be able to spend a lot of time,

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a significant amount of time interrogating them,

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finding out what we can and we want to be able to do that,

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not be interfered with, and we don't want it to be someplace

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where our interrogators are subject to any kind of

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attack either, we wanna keep them safe,

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and we wanna be able to do this

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for some period of time."

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And he said, "I wanna know what your thoughts are on that."

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And I said, "Well, what are you thinking?"

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And he said, he mentioned ships at sea,

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he mentioned Diego Garcia.

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And I said, "Well, you know, ships at sea,

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how many are you talking about picking up?"

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And I say, "Are you talking about a few? A dozen?"

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He said, "Oh no, it'll be dozens, could be hundreds."

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And I said, "Well, you can't put 'em at ships at sea.

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And he said, "Well, don't we have brigs?"

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And I explained, "Yeah, we do but only on a few ships

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and it's only a few people.

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I mean, and it's not for that, it's for tall people too

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that might've done something really bad.

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You hardly ever use them. I said that won't work.

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And he said, "All right, what about Diego as well?"

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You were going to have those negotiations.

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That's not.

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<v ->There's a naval base in Diego?</v>

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<v ->Diego Garcia? Yeah. There's a Naval base, but you know</v>

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the islands British, I mean, and so I said,

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well we'd have to figure that out

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but I'm not sure that that's the place you want either.

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And I realized that what he was, I told people later

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I said, it was very interesting the way he sort

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of guided the conversation until I finally said, well

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you're talking about Guantanamo Bay.

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He said, well, that's a good idea.

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So it wasn't my idea, but it, but it came out of my mouth.

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I said, do you want someplace where there's no jurisdiction?

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He said, yeah, that would be good

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because I could tell, ships at sea, Diego Garcia.

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And it just evolved to that.

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And he said, that would be good.

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And I said, well, I said

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because at that point no court had ever

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said they were going to take jurisdiction over

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what was going over on Guantanamo.

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<v ->Do you think he had Guantanamo in his mind?</v>

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<v ->I absolutely do, I absolutely do,</v>

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and everybody, the way I look at it is pretty much everybody

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in the Navy knows it's about Guantanamo

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but I think he did too.