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<v Instructor>Welcome once again as MIT professor,</v>

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Paul Samuelson discusses the current economic scene.

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This biweekly series is produced by

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Instructional Dynamics Incorporated.

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This program was reported February 8th.

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Professor Samuelson.

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<v Paul Samuelson>Now we have the budget message.</v>

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We have the state of the union message.

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We have the economic report of the president.

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As I predicted in my last tape,

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one could pretty much know in advance

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exactly what would be in these documents

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and there were no surprises.

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The president having determined to give up phase two

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to move directly into phase three.

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To rely on voluntary price end wage controls

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except in the limited areas of building

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food processing health care

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had no choice in my opinion,

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but to come in with a very contractionary

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set of recommendations.

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These he has made, they have I think somewhat the supplies.

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The Congress, they certainly have irritated the Congressmen.

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But let's first before trying

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to make guesses about the politics of the situation

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look into what seems to be needed

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by the economics of the situation.

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We must begin with the observation

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that the economy is still overstrung.

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The fashionable forecasts which we discussed a month ago

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were higher than the fashionable forecasts

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that we discussed a couple of months ago

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and the present forecasts are higher still.

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I would guess that the majority

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of the forecasting fraternity now

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look for at least a 10 percent increase in money GNP.

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That's something like 115 billion increase in money GNP

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uncorrected for a price change.

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As against what they were expecting a month or two ago

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which was 105 billion.

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Even Ray (inaudible) of Princeton,

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who I told you does not ever get influenced

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by the current enthusiasms

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because has a completely mechanical

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computer method of forecasting.

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I looked at his most recent forecast

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and that seems to be up by, unless I've made a mistake,

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something like at least 10 billion dollars.

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So we have been growing at a rate of 8 percent in mil terms.

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Now it's possible to do that for a quarter or so.

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It's possible to do it for two or three quarters.

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But it's not healthy a healthy thing.

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Most economists would gladly trade

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to have lots of six percent quarters

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as against just a few eight percent quarters.

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So the time was ripe,

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if not overripe for moderation in terms of macroeconomics.

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Otherwise we will run too quickly

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into old fashioned demand-pull inflation.

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And remember, we're not yet out of the woods

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from the last cost-push inflation

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induced by the post Vietnam demand-pull inflation.

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I suppose from this point of view

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we should be thankful that the Federal Reserve

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was over-contractionary from the view of monetarists

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back from the middle of the year until November

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because with long and variable lags

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there should now be an element working

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for moderation in the picture.

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However, most people are apprehensive

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with respect to monetary analysis.

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Probably unduly so.

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At years end the money supply continued to grow.

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My information is that in January,

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the money supply did not grow at the rapid rates

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of the last part of November and December.

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It had slowed down

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to something like a four percent rate of growth.

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that in the first half of this year,

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we will find reason to complain

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that the Federal Reserve is not being tight enough.

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Then in the last half of the year,

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and no doubt there will be reason to complain

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that the Federal reserve is being too tight.

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This is inevitable if the Federal Reserve

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applies a policy of gradualism.

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If the Federal Reserve has some concern

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for what's happening in the interest rate markets

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of the country and if the Federal Reserve,

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therefore permits interest rates too rise,

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but will not tolerate interest rates leaping upward

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then nobody is going to be satisfied

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with the behavior of the Federal reserve.

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On the other hand,

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the major topic of the day is a fiscal policy.

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The president,

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if he wanted to have contractionary fiscal policy

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might have introduced recommendations for tax increases.

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He made promises during the campaign period,

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that he would not, in 1973 ask for a tax increase.

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I don't know whether he will someday regret that promise.

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But there's certainly no sign that he

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or his team at this moment

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have any intention on going back on that promise.

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That leaves them only with the policy on cutting down hard

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on government expenditures.

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This (inaudible).

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For philosophical reasons,

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the Nixon Republic and administration,

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particularly in it's second term,

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well it needn't be directed concerned with re-election

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has a predilection on philosophical grounds

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for limited role for government

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and a limited role for government at the center.

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So that what spending they will be forced to do

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in the field of welfare.

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They will prefer to do out of a revenue sharing basis.

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We've had the comical spectacle

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of the mayors of this country lobbying,

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pressuring the federal government.

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Pressuring the president into a program of revenue sharing.

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Apparently the mayors in this country

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believe in Santa Claus.

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get something extra for nothing,

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but of course they've discovered

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to their concern that the revenue sharing

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which they got was not always adequate.

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But in any case there was a hook, there was a catch.

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The programs that are directly involved problems

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in the urban environment have been cut back

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by the president and now he tells the mayors

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if you have an asset out of the money

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that I've given you and let's make no mistake about it,

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these programs are now hurting.

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a massive rethinking of social priorities,

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we could have cut down

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which no economists approve of actually

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for gratuitous reasons connected

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with the Russian crop failure and with the food shortage,

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the farm programs at long last

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look to be on the way to be liquidated.

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of military security expenditures.

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And there might have been a determination

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to purchase what some people would regard

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as the same security at a much lower cost.

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I'm thinking of phasing out plans for land bombers.

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on submarine deterrent missiles, things like that.

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And have a really thorough going shakedown

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in the military establishment.

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That could include, by the way,

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now that we've gone on to a voluntary army basis,

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voluntary arms services basis,

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that could include a much smaller amount

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of better trained in the arm services of the United States.

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So to put pressure on the developing overheating

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of the american economy,

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we could have maintained those social welfare programs

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which are most desperately needed.

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Those which the proof of experience have shown

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to be the most adequate.

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Of course it's too much to ask for optimality

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our political process very often discover

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the very best program that the man

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or commissions might devise.

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But we still could have maintained these programs

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of humanitarian import

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of the excessive amount of inequality

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which men of goodwill are deploying in the American economy.

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But of course you know that that would not have been likely

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and of course that didn't come to pass.

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I said that we've had the comical spectacle of mayors

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where we've had the comical spectacle of congress.

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And if a country gets what it deserves

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and if we deserve the present congress

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then we should perhaps feel less unhappy

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about our present plight.

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Many of my listeners will have seen on the TV news shows

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the testimony of the president's economic team.

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George Shultz, the domestic economic (inaudible)

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so to speak, secretary of the treasury.

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But more than that some of them call him the super

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(inaudible) in Washington, was on hand.

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Herbert Stein, the chairman

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of the Council of Economic Advisers

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man who presumably used to be the number one economist

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in the government and now number two,

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if not three or four was on hand

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the designated new head of the

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Office of Management and Budget.

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(indistinct) Industries was on hand

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and it's quite obvious that the team had briefed itself

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for a rough going over from congress

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and they were prepared as best they could

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to defend the budgetary cuts

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which the president was urging upon congress

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and the refusal to spend which the president

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unilaterally by his own executive self orders

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was imposing on that spending the money

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which congress had already voted for many programs

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due to the heart of the Congressmen.

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But if that's what they expected

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in the hands of the committee,

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they were disappointed,

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but of course pleasantly disappointed.

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Because Senator Man, a democrat, went into a tiraid

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about the huge size of the president's deficit.

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George Sultz was so taken aback

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that he took this to be an indication of a desire

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in the party congress to have a tax increase.

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And he said that into the television cameras

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directed towards the Senator,

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but obviously directed towards the American people.

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I don't understand why the congress is so bent upon

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forcing upon the American people a tax increase

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when in administration,

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president Nixon are not at all in favor of that.

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Well the last thing in the world Senator Man,

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with his upside down fiscal finance in this occasion

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willing to settle with

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was that he was in favor of a tax increase.

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And so he said,

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but you're coming in with a larger budget than last time.

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Now that employment is down to a five percent

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and we should take note of the fact

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that it is down to five percent.

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How can you justify running this huge deficit?

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the less will be the deficit

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and the more contractionary tax policy

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or contractionary fiscal policy

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and contractionary monetary policy eluded.

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Congressman thinks that when a lot of revenues come in,

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you don't need taxes.

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Economists know the opposite is the case.

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The only point in increasing taxes in a situation like this,

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is for the purpose of cutting down on spending.

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In other words it must be a tax that hurts,

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it can't be a tax which isn't felt.

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So, we haven't had on the part of the opposition in Congress

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as yet any regrouping,

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any very intelligent action to react to the president.

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In the meantime, there's some very important programs

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which are languishing.

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You can go down the list of those who are in universities

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I know that pure science,

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for some time has been out of favor

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and that there has been a move towards the applied science.

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The scientific advisor,

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the president never got to see the president.

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The president finally formalized that arrangement

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by having the new scientific advisor not even report to him,

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but report only through George Shultz.

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So it goes, there's a lot of money.

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Too much money I'm told for jazzy subjects like cancer.

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But there's not money for fundamental research

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which nobody can predict in detail

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will give rise to higher productivity

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in the future to a better environment,

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to less pollution to more copious

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and safer energy sources and so forth.

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Well I don't see anything that can stop this

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in the two years before the election.

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No doubt congress will be accumulating grievances

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and irritations and in some future date,

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somebody may pay for these humiliations

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and their insults.

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But until the next elections,

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we're pretty much on the same course

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that you find in parliamentary systems of administerial

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responsibility to a majority party in parliament.

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Keith or Palmer in Sweden,

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Keith in UK maybe unpopular with the electorate now.

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But until the next election they can put through

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their parliaments any legislation

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that they set their minds to

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because of members of their own party

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would have to jeopardize their own jobs

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by joining in a vote of no confidence.

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Let's turn to the general business situation.

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Is this (indistinct) budget,

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is there such a decline in spending

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that the over exuberance in the economy

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which I've just spoken of will be eliminated

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and indeed is there a danger that it will be followed

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by a period of too little

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purchasing power steam in the economy.

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I don't think so.

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In the first place, the budget spending will go up

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by something like seven percent in real terms.

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That is a reduction because,

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no that's not a reduction in real terms.

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In the sense that the prices haven't risen by seven percent.

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But most of that,

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much of that is an increase in transfer expenditures

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by the expanded social security program.

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And so if you subtract that out

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and look at the resulting increase

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or change in the money value of goods

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and services purchased by the government.

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And then if you deflate that by the increase in prices

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of those goods and services bought by the government.

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You will then end up with an estimate of the real

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GNP goods and services purchased by the government.

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And that I think would prove to be a negative number,

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but it would not be a huge gaping hole

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in the circular flow of purchasing power.

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And I see no reason to believe that

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the first quarter of this year will not be a very strong one

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and the second quarter also.

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This leaves us with the question of whether by the third

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or fourth quarter the rate of increase in real GNP

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will be down to the normal level,

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the trend level for the American economy

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which is perhaps four and a quarter percent

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or as a few people think, but still only a few,

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down to below that so that the unemployment situation

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which has been generally improving will go into reverse.

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That could happen but I think on the basis

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of the current leads and lags

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and the inertia in the system

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and the best estimates that I've been able to see

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of what's going to happen to inventory spending

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in the next four or five quarters to housing

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to plant the equipment expenditures.

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I think it's premature to blow the whistle

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and say that the period of expansion is over

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and now we're entering into the period of stagnation

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or of stagflation.

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A word or two on the unemployment situation.

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I believe that the administration has won its bet

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that by the end of the year the unemployment

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of the United States will be in the neighborhood

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of five percent.

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You know that on the evidence available

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in the beginning of the year

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I didn't think that the best scientific judgment

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would be that that would be a correct statement.

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I said that something like five or quarter percent,

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but it was explained nicely to me by one of the members of

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the Nixon Council of Economic Advisors

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that by the end of the year

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they didn't mean the first quarter,

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they meant literally New Years midnight

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which means halfway between the fourth quarter

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and the first quarter

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and that alone would almost make their debt worthwhile.

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But many a case,

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the drop in November to 5.2 percent from 5.5 percent,

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which being a full three tenths of a percent

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looked suspicious.

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And now that they've revised the data it seems it stands up.

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And the continuance in December

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of another 5.2 percent month,

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now that they've revised the data,

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it turns out to be an overstatement of unemployment.

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It was now with new seasonal corrections, 5.1 percent.

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And then in January,

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which I guess we can say is around the end of the year,

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we had 5.0 percent.

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So there isn't any reason at this time,

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not to think that in the months ahead,

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the number may well work it's way below a five percent,

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more or less steadily.

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The major doubt in this regard, I think,

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would be the fact that the improvement

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in the unemployment numbers.

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Which could come about either

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because the job situation was exceptionally strong

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or because the labor force growth was weaker than expected.

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Either of those two could have been possibilities

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was turned out in the last few months

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that it's been weakness in the labor force.

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Seems to me that that's fair enough.

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After all, there was excessive strength in the labor force

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for month after month after month back early in 1972

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and indeed in 1971 and so the rosy expectations

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of the administration were rewarded for that reason.

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Well you can't get it coming and going

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and since they got it earlier,

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we got to let them get some relief

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from a relaxation in the labor force.

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A relaxation, by the way although it wasn't predicted.

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The magnitude is not at all out of the ball park

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for what seems reasonable

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at this stage of the business cycle.

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I don't know that the productivity

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has been doing anything noteworthy.

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As you know, early in the business cycle expansion,

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productivity does very well

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and that has turned out to be true.

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In this expansion,

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once we got into a period of real expansion,

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got behind the 1971 very weak endemic expansion,

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productivity did improve

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and although we can't expect to maintain that pace

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there is no reason to think that it will go away,

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the productivity and pace will go away overnight.

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I return to what must be the key question

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and preoccupation for anyone who wants to understand

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the developing business cycle situation in the Unites States

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in 1973 and in 1974.

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The key must be found in the behavior

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of prices and of wages.

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If phase three works,

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if the moderating of inflation which had been going

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on before phase one

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and which when I'm very strongly in phase one

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and continue but with less strength

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(that is the degree of moderation in phase two).

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If that continues nicely

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and if the administration wins its bets

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that by the end of the year prices will be growing

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at less than three percent

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and that's the beginning of 1973.

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And then I think we can look to a strong 1974.

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I think its fruitless to try to look beyond then.

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But remember this,

427
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almost none of the experts,

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those who are for administration

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or those who are against administration

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are really that optimistic.

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Almost all the forecasts before phase two was abandoned,

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looked for prices to be increasing in 1973 itself.

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Somewhere around the three and a half percent rate.

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Less than three and a half if you compare '72 with '73.

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But three and a half in '73 itself.

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After phase two was removed,

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I think representative of what we've seen happening

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for example in fuel and oil in the number of other lines

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that relevant price increases

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frowned on by the administration,

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but they have yet pulled a big stick out of the closet.

442
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They've I guess pulled it out of the closet

443
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and now put it on the table,

444
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but they have yet beat anybody with it.

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After phase three was introduced,

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most of these estimates went up to three and a quarter

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through three quarters, four percent.

448
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Since I though the estimates previously

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were a little bit on the overly optimistic side

450
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and I'm not alone in thinking this.

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Many monetarists have also thought this

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and then I had to take their new numbers

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and still add something on.

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And so although I have to reserve judgment

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until we see how the wage settlements break.

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How the Arabic Workers' Affair

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or whether the team stirs later in the spring.

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(indistinct) with the general guidelines.

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I think there is reason,

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as a betting man to have some apprehension on this score.

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The result is that there will be increasing anxiety

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00:27:16.260 --> 00:27:18.720
in the country about inflation.

463
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:21.710
There will be increasing apprehension

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and anxiety in Washington.

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And the forces that urge upon the Federal Reserve

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sharply contractionary policy will grow in strength.

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00:27:36.620 --> 00:27:40.486
The forces that urge upon the budget

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sharply contractionary policy will grow in strength.

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And it's out of the working's out,

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I think of such forces that the next period of stagnation,

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the next period of recession will be bred.

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This process can be helped of course

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by the natural forces of over exuberance in the system.

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If inventory accumulation moves up to

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a 12 billion annual rate in some quarters

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then onto 15 then onto 18.

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You have very many of those and you will naturally

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get an overstocking in the economy

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and there will be natural forces working for stagnation

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and recession reinforcing

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the contractionary forces of rushing.

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Now all of this is not inevitable.

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There is something that can be done about it.

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It seems to me that the proper policy

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is not at all times study as you go.

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Just agree upon what kind of a budget you want

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00:28:44.560 --> 00:28:47.750
on the social philosophical grounds agreed upon

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what rate of growth of money supply you want.

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That's not the council which I would urge.

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It seems to me that the best council

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is lean against the wind that your best judgment tells you

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is gonna prevail in the next six months.

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Unless that wind is blowing in exactly the right direction

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for a healthy American economy.

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And that's why I have been supporting the movement

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for moderation on the credit front

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for five or six months now.

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Including the period when the Federal Reserve

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had a slow growth in the money supply.

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And that is why on budgetary grounds

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I think that the case is strong for restraint.

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<v Instructor>If you have any comments or questions</v>

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for Professor Samuelson, address them to

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