- Under the Laws of War and under the Geneva conventions we treat prisoners humanely. That's what we do. It's not just the law. It's the way we are as people. And I had this great assurance of the sense of assurance that good, Johns now with people like my father, you know who are American soldiers and he'll be okay now. He'll be treated well and humanely. And even if the government's going to prosecute them and come after him with these accusations at least they'll get humane treatment and his wounds will be treated and so forth. And then as, as now we know, later we learned later he was treated very inhumanely by the Americans. He was allowed to send that initial letter, but then they packed him on a plane and they flew him down to Southern Afghanistan, to a place called Camp Rhino, a Marine Corps base in Southern Afghanistan. And they stripped off his clothes in the nighttime, in the desert there and bound him. His wounds were untreated. He had an AK 47 bullet in his leg, shrapnel wounds, hypothermia. He, he was in very bad shape from this situation he'd been rescued from the massacre. And instead of giving him medical treatment, they bound him hand and foot naked on a stretcher with these extremely painful plastic restraints and put him in an, in a shipping container out in the unheated desert in the winter in Afghanistan, he said, they say, later they said he was shivering uncontrollably. And they kept him that way for like a night and two days or two days and two nights, some long period of time strapped to a stretcher naked, the American Marines. And they were Marines. And there's photographs of all this. There's photographs of John's condition that were taken. And while they were kept them that way they were shouting to inside from the outside, shouting into the shipping container, we're going to kill you. We're going to kill you. He was in terrible condition and ne was psychologically in horrible, horrible fear of being killed by his own people. The American troops there at Camp Rhino. It was really disgraceful. John is labeled as the government as the, by the Pentagon as detainee 001 in the War on Terror. This has come out later. He's the first detainee and this practice of stripping them naked, stripping prisoners naked and torturing them physical, putting them through physical torture is something that was not unique to my son. It was practiced on a wide scale basis in Afghanistan. And then later in Iraq. In John's case, that we can trace literally to an order from the secretary. Take the gloves off, and I think had a particular meaning to the soldiers at that Marine base at Camp Rhino and to their commanders. It meant you could do anything you want to this boy. And it meant that that, like my father used to say, your name, rank, and serial number, and treat them humanely, that those rules were off. We're under different rules. He was, he was very clear. I think Rumsfeld was clear that we're now going to have different rules. There's something different now. We're not having the Geneva conventions. This is, for whatever reason, we're going to do a different approach here. We're going to abuse the hell out of these people. And so, yeah, I believe it's a policy.