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- So when we talk about meaningful social contact, we exclude contact with guard. Many states, including the United States, can come back and say, what do you mean solitary confinement? There's somebody brings them their food. They also have medical doctors come and examine them. The guards are, you know, keeping track on them all the time. And what the Nelson Mandela rules say is, you know, the contact has to be with other inmates with, you know, people who they relate to and not in an adversarial way. So prison personnel don't count for this purposes. And this question of being able to yell through some slit in the door, you know, it's a ridiculous argument. I mean, you're still isolated, in fact, because you yell because you're isolated, so. And there's also, and I think this was used in Guantanamo, the military rules on interrogation, not on detention, allow for what the rules call separation of an inmate. And they allow for up to 30 days, but renewable, and it's a technique to soften up the prisoner so he will talk. And that I firmly believe that's a form of coercion and it's impermissible. Even if it's not waterboarding, it's not electric shock, it's not beating somebody to a pulp, it's still coercion. And it's impermissible in international law.