WEBVTT 1 00:01.000 --> 00:23.000 It was the schedule of try to get, uh, a time after one of the first couple weeks after Thanksgiving. Um, Keisha, if you could see if you could schedule, uh, with Mary and also let Ray know, um, see if we could get them to come over and just be involved in our conversation, just 2 00:23.000 --> 00:25.000 To 3 00:25.000 --> 01:08.000 Catch him up on where we're, and get that feedback and talk to them what's going on so that, um, we'll try to do that first week or two of Thanksgiving. Yeah. Okay. Something, you know, that's, so we still want to, we want to try to have a, a sampling of our best , you know, y'all, y'all decide on me. You want half dozen somewhere, you know, somewhere, somewhere, 7, 8, 9, 10 of these that we can get to them. She probably did right before. 4 01:08.000 --> 02:07.000 Can I ask a question? That's the end of this. No. Um, I'm assuming that you can, in terms it has to do with editing question on the text that you can delete, I think, or repetition of words. Maybe. Maybe. Or kind of these Yeah. Or mm-hmm. , I think or, you know, pretty like this or, you know, things that should be in there. Just delete them without any, um, uh, ellipsis. That's, that's what I'm, that I'm assuming that's what we're doing. Am I correct? Mm-hmm. that, that the ellipsis occurs only when there's something really? Yeah. They just stopped. Okay. I, I wasn't clear because I think that when these first edits that people should, you know, really try and get rid of that kind of stuff, you know, 'cause it's not, there's no point in keeping it mm-hmm. . Yeah. So, but that's why we just suggest that because it just slows everything down. 5 02:07.000 --> 02:08.000 Okay. 6 02:08.000 --> 02:16.000 Yeah. I think, yeah, I think in the first edits that it is, you know, to structuring the material, but also getting it as getting the language and that 7 02:16.000 --> 02:23.000 Yeah. Just to get polishes some of that, of that, because that, that will move editing process 8 02:23.000 --> 02:26.000 Bit. 9 02:26.000 --> 02:51.000 And I think we're, I think everybody's getting better in their first mm-hmm. run through in terms that, so I dunno who, who's where you wanna start with Robert, uh, min this, um, tell us a little bit about 10 02:51.000 --> 02:53.000 Yeah. 11 02:53.000 --> 04:17.000 This, this excerpt that I found, I had went across it a long time ago, and I remember us talking about a few weeks ago about just this culture of violence that Stein lived in and how he was repeatedly bombarded with violent images from his childhood. And later on in the, in the interview, which I haven't brought out yet either, which I plan to, is that he, he makes the statement that, you know, all of these incidents put together are what have made me the way I am, my political activism today is a direct response to the, the way I was treated as a child. And my, if you can sense a little anger in the way I present these, um, advances and the way I've lived my life and the way I deal with White people is because of these events. So I feel it's really important for me to keep bringing out some of these events because each time I come across something, they seem to be more and more, um, imp not impressive, or they really made an impression upon Stein George's personality. You can see it coming through by the language that he uses. Like in this excerpt, how he says on page 12 04:17.000 --> 05:32.000 Three, it says, um, in the second paragraph that this has hurt so much. I've never been able to talk about it that much. I've never told, but one or two persons in my whole life. It, you know, it just, it just tells you how, how deeply this these incidents have affected this man. And I thought this inter or this excerpt was just going to the biting truths section because it seemed just like our bitter truth. Excuse me. Um, simply because you're abiding , simply because it, um, seemed that stein, even though his family was not trying to overtly, um, you know, protests against the system, just their, just in their everyday lives, they, they kept being reminded of their place within their society. And it didn't seem like there was any way around this at all. And I think that's what really comes through to me in this episode. 13 05:32.000 --> 06:10.000 Do we have any pictures from him? Yes. Picture of him or any family pictures? Um, I, I don't remember this. We have something, but I think we have about 20 signs here, really? Because that would, uh, be nice to have a visual. I mean, this is such a powerful story. Mm-hmm. Um, there'd be some, some, um, picture of him or parts of his family or the farm if they kept, I don't know, whatever, just 14 06:10.000 --> 06:15.000 Should I at some point bring those in for all us to look at or should to Robert and see if anything resonates. 15 06:15.000 --> 06:34.000 But let's start with him. Let him look at it. I dunno. I just happened when I read that, I said more. I want, I just want to, it's a great image, but I also like to see if it, I like that. Um, 16 06:34.000 --> 06:37.000 I was wondering myself if anyone had any jobs about the 17 06:37.000 --> 07:53.000 Head of Yeah, that's what I was, I, I wondered. Uh, I mean, I guess one thing is that this, this kind of, there's a little bit of a contradiction here in the sense that, um, you know, beginning to talk about the strictly ordered social structure. I mean, there seems to me to be in this story, um, at least the, um, you know, some sense of, of something that's a lot that isn't as structured as that. I mean, here's the White guy giving him, doing something that's really, um, you know, really break, really breaks an important taboo. Mm-hmm. , uh, and, and just, you know, which gives some sense of the, of the flexibility in the way in which personal relationships, um, mediate to some extent the, the, uh, mediate Jim Crow and then this the kind of pettiness of their, of the children, which echoes one of the, one of, I think Nicole's the new one, um, that you've got here. 18 07:53.000 --> 08:16.000 What strikes me about this is this remark linking to f h A, this f h a agent. Mm-hmm. , especially since we've been continuing the problems with f H A and small farmers. We are the governor. Um, that is very striking to me. Does does he talk any more about that, the agent and the whole 19 08:16.000 --> 08:28.000 No, not really. Um, he just, he only brings up one more time that the man says that, you know, we're the government basically we can control what happens. 20 08:28.000 --> 08:29.000 Who is the government? Is 21 08:29.000 --> 08:29.000 It, is 22 08:29.000 --> 08:32.000 It Morgan or is it the F h A P? 23 08:32.000 --> 08:34.000 Uh, it's Morgan. 24 08:34.000 --> 08:37.000 It's him. He's talking about, he's the governor. He's the governor. We're I'm the White man. I'm in 25 08:37.000 --> 08:38.000 Charge of governor, so I'm 26 08:38.000 --> 09:03.000 Government. That's what I thought that was. So, but it's a nice old juxtaposition. We're the government and then you go down to a government man. Right. I know, but it's juxta with this f a man who is the governor, you know? Yeah. I mean, it's like, it's a great, it's a great little term. 27 09:03.000 --> 09:31.000 Well, I thought there that there was a clear idea of structure simply because they were breaking taboo. And it was, um, Stein's father was even reluctant to take the land because he knew he was gonna be breaking the social order. And I, he knew he didn't want to go against that. So I thought that reinforced to me the idea of a social structure that he was reluctant to break with. 28 09:31.000 --> 09:40.000 Well, it doesn't, I mean, it's, you know, I mean, he does get the, he does get up on the hill. He does get the, what happens to this land, you know, even after they burn the house down, 29 09:40.000 --> 09:45.000 He doesn't mention it. He doesn't go into that at all after that point. Huh? 30 09:45.000 --> 09:56.000 It almost be worth checking them. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. Checking the tax rolls or something there would be used as to, so their dad was senile. You didn't know what he was 31 09:56.000 --> 10:07.000 Doing. Yeah. The sons, because they wanted the land themselves. They tried to paint the picture of their father against senile. So Uhhuh the decision though. 32 10:07.000 --> 10:12.000 Was there any indication in the interview why, why Morgan gave you Thelan? 33 10:12.000 --> 10:17.000 No, just that one comment at the beginning where he had been working for the man. I had 34 10:17.000 --> 10:20.000 Been, I felt that too, that he, where he'd done all the work 35 10:20.000 --> 10:22.000 On the farm. Right. 36 10:22.000 --> 10:28.000 And this was just one of his farms too. I mean, is obviously the White Morgan had, ANU had bought out a number of farms. Yeah. 37 10:28.000 --> 10:35.000 Because he was gonna move after this point to a town where he could be better taken care of, get medical attention. 38 10:35.000 --> 10:36.000 Oh, so maybe this was his farm. Mm-hmm. 39 10:36.000 --> 10:37.000 . 40 10:37.000 --> 10:41.000 Mm-hmm. . So you think it was actually the, the main, the old farm? 41 10:41.000 --> 10:52.000 I don't, I'm not sure because it was, he made it clear that his sons also had land within the vicinity. So it seemed like he had a great deal of land. I think this might have been his main farm. Yeah. By his best land. 42 10:52.000 --> 10:54.000 Right. 43 10:54.000 --> 11:25.000 But it seemed that the land was sold to times' father, simply because he had the, um, he had worked the land. And he goes into a whole list of reasons why his father was a good nigger in parentheses, because he never talked back. He had told a long story about how his father never talked back to this man, how he never rocked a boat. And that's how his father got through life. And this was kind of his reward at the end, getting this land. But this is what happened in the 44 11:25.000 --> 12:01.000 End. See, I think the, I think putting these two chapter members and this together are, you know, put 'em side by side. I don't care how we do it, but side by side because, you know, here's a guy who's got, got his land, got his, got stolen, you know, his crops stolen from him, but then he ends up getting, if not revenge, at least, you know, some satisfaction, satisfaction out of that. And then Stein father gets the land, you know, and loses his two, two baby children. Uh, in this, I mean, I don't, 45 12:01.000 --> 12:01.000 Yeah, 46 12:01.000 --> 12:05.000 It's kind of novelistic and 47 12:05.000 --> 12:06.000 Fog. 48 12:06.000 --> 12:08.000 Fog. 49 12:08.000 --> 12:43.000 Oh my God. But I somehow we ought, these two, these two things ought to go side by side with pictures and some kind of a, uh, I mean, I don't think you need much more about sharecropping and stuff that, a little introduction here about kind of land ownership and sharecropping and stuff that is, that would apply to both of these might be a way to work this. Uh, 50 12:43.000 --> 12:49.000 So Robbie, you were saying you see this as more of a separate excerpt and taken 51 12:49.000 --> 13:38.000 Away from the other excerpts or separated other. Um, for me it could serve two purposes. It could serve being separated. 'cause it's, I think it stands on its own like most of his, his excerpts. But like I was saying in the beginning, there's this long history of events in his life that tie together into his, into the fruition of his ideology later. And I think at one point, just maybe for myself, I'd like to bring all of that together and present that in another excerpt where he does at the end say, well, you have all of these examples and, um, this is how it affected my political activism and, you know, show some of this political activism. And maybe readers can relate back to that and see why you are so driven. 52 13:38.000 --> 13:38.000 Mm-hmm. 53 13:38.000 --> 14:29.000 , I wonder if we choose this to put this one just straight. Um, if you can do some of that labor in the header for the old, for the old ones, you know, introduce some of, some of this locks that's articulated here in that header to have it coupled with or augment the, the earlier articulations of locks, the rapes and all of that. So you can give a little bit of that historical background and one of the other headers, it's going to show the, the larger piece of Stein, um, give some more historical density. There's character there. And then we can still have this one appear late. And we can even have a footnote with Stein, or he'll be indexed, I'm sure to show people that they wanna read more about him. You know, see the section that we're doing on land ownership and chair property or labor mm-hmm. Is where it's gonna be. 54 14:29.000 --> 14:39.000 Could I also ask you, um, on making the selections one things we should, they also keeping notes on is the audio quality some of the things 55 14:39.000 --> 14:40.000 Excerpts 56 14:40.000 --> 14:42.000 Like is how is his audio? The audio? 57 14:42.000 --> 14:46.000 Oh, it's wonderful. Um, you, you can feel his emotion 58 14:46.000 --> 14:55.000 Uhhuh and, and sounds pretty good. That's good. Because this is what, when, when we start matching up the audio Right. 59 14:55.000 --> 15:05.000 Especially if there's more to him that we don't want to give, maybe in written form, there's another interesting moment in it. It could be an excerpt, be the audio. 60 15:05.000 --> 15:05.000 Yeah, that's true. 61 15:05.000 --> 15:12.000 To help us keep track of that. Some of the labels to stick on the outside of the 62 15:12.000 --> 15:25.000 That would be great. Yeah. Then we could, you know, have much faster access to the . 63 15:25.000 --> 15:30.000 Um, I, you know, I got the other thing that needs 64 15:30.000 --> 16:09.000 You can, I think fits in here is this whole, the way in which other Whites around reacted to this, you know, which, you know, on the one hand they didn't do anything, you know, but, but they brought some clothes and they came around and I mean, they, there was a pretense of them being concerned about it or, uh, and you know, maybe they felt ashamed of these sons who were burned this guy's house down. I, I don't know if it's a, it's a complicated story. I wonder if this, it would be interesting to get the, well, 65 16:09.000 --> 16:32.000 It sounded almost like an absolution of guilt. It sounds like they knew who had done it. Right. But they had to create some sort story to absolve him. Right. Yo, um, they deflected it back onto the, onto science family by saying that his sister Cause 66 16:32.000 --> 16:53.000 Well, we probably, the other thing here, probably don't need to let the reader get out of this what they want. Right. I think the, I think the story is interesting in the complex on the, do you have any idea what, when, what time period? It says where, uh, just stay there that this is when Black folks were going north and say, said White folks would come Lynch or something. . 67 16:53.000 --> 16:54.000 How old was his? 68 16:54.000 --> 16:56.000 When, when was he born? 69 16:56.000 --> 17:15.000 I forget when he was born, but I, I'll have to go back and check. It sounds like this story was before, slightly before the story where his sister gets raped. I know this takes place before his sister's raped. So he was only about six or seven. Seven. 70 17:15.000 --> 17:19.000 Yeah. It sounds like he's six, seven or so in here. I think I 90 say mm-hmm. . 71 17:19.000 --> 17:21.000 Yeah. Six, seven T you like the seven or eight year 72 17:21.000 --> 17:27.000 Old. Wow. 73 17:27.000 --> 17:36.000 He had a tremendous sense of responsibility on his part. I mean, somehow he failed these, these kids too. 74 17:36.000 --> 17:39.000 Mm-hmm. , 75 17:39.000 --> 17:48.000 Did you take much out of this? I mean, uh, did you cut much out of the, in telling this story or was this, is this fairly raw, or 76 17:48.000 --> 18:03.000 This is pretty fairly raw. Mm-hmm. , I just typed out what I saw. Only thing I changed were I made some the paragraph breaks. That's all I really changed about it. And I took out already some of the, 77 18:03.000 --> 18:07.000 But additional petitions. And I think 78 18:07.000 --> 18:08.000 That's pretty much it. It's 79 18:08.000 --> 18:09.000 Pretty clean. 80 18:09.000 --> 18:20.000 Mm-hmm. . And this is one of those places where I actually liked, um, the, uh, interview. Mm-hmm. Um, intrusion. At least the first one. Sometimes 81 18:20.000 --> 18:24.000 It works and sometimes it doesn't. Yeah. It really is a matter of judgment. 82 18:24.000 --> 18:39.000 Well, it's just like, it is kind of Doris, you know, just kind of incredulous in a way. Mm-hmm. , why did he get into them? I mean, that's a great lead question. It's like about for, you know, for a whole lot of things. Well 83 18:39.000 --> 18:46.000 Also reinforces the fact that he hasn't told the story time. His wife was asking the basic point of that in question. 84 18:46.000 --> 18:57.000 Oh, that's right. That's his wife. Oh, mm-hmm. . Right, right, right, right. Yeah. Right. Forgot 85 18:57.000 --> 18:58.000 There is an Sally 86 18:58.000 --> 18:59.000 The 87 18:59.000 --> 18:59.000 Interview too. 88 18:59.000 --> 19:04.000 Oh yeah. Make sure I mention that in the, in the header. What 89 19:04.000 --> 19:05.000 That Doris said, his wife. 90 19:05.000 --> 19:07.000 That Doris's wife and 91 19:07.000 --> 19:44.000 . I just remembered that. So I saw it there, but yes. Well, well, yeah, I mean, here you need to say, I mean, Doris do his wife. I mean, you need to make sure so the reader doesn't, hasn't forgotten it. Even if it's in the head. So Nicole, what do you think about putting these two together on? I think that's 92 19:44.000 --> 19:59.000 Perfect. I think they would work well. I think it exactly work. Well, these are both Georgia, what county from um, 93 19:59.000 --> 20:05.000 I think it's Multry County. I'm not sure Multry is the town name or the county. You'd have to check on 94 20:05.000 --> 20:08.000 Wonder if they were with each other. 95 20:08.000 --> 20:18.000 Yeah, they, because they were both, yeah, they're both around Albany somewhere. So that they're in south southwest Georgia. Mm-hmm. 96 20:18.000 --> 20:27.000 . 97 20:27.000 --> 21:18.000 I just got a, um, dissertation from a guy who did a lot of interviewing in Georgia in, um, Forsyth Putnam area, um, near Aton. And, uh, all these things have curated, his whole focus is, um, basically Ken's oral history to show the complexity of race relations in this rural setting. In contrast to, um, our received understanding of segregation as it's primarily in shape through settings of cities. I just started reading it that, uh, both the piece excerpts fit right in with the story trying to tell. 98 21:18.000 --> 21:37.000 I wondered in the header, um, I stumbled a little bit by these, by having both of these references to being the first Black to get a college degree and the first Black woman for Congress. I just wonder whether both of those ought to be in there. Or you might just, you might just say it a different way or something. 99 21:37.000 --> 21:40.000 Yeah. The, okay, so we're on Chapman then. Um, yeah. 100 21:40.000 --> 21:42.000 And I went about the date, but 101 21:42.000 --> 21:43.000 I would 102 21:43.000 --> 21:45.000 Love to go. 103 21:45.000 --> 21:47.000 What was that? Yeah, I would, 104 21:47.000 --> 21:51.000 The dates, I need the dates. I can't figure out how I, 105 21:51.000 --> 21:53.000 How busy it was 106 21:53.000 --> 22:10.000 And to figure out, as for this running for congresses, I had said in my, uh, document note, um, don't know if that's a county statement or if it is for the entire state, but it could be something significant to try to trace. Um, right. 107 22:10.000 --> 22:14.000 That might be easier to trace in college because I think I would 108 22:14.000 --> 22:16.000 Be, it's, yeah. I don't know how I, 109 22:16.000 --> 22:26.000 I don't think that's right. I think, I'm sure that there are people in the earlier area era that went to college from the county, but he might not have, 110 22:26.000 --> 22:31.000 But he said graduate. See that's the thing. It might be a thing about having finished Uhhuh 111 22:31.000 --> 22:32.000 . 112 22:32.000 --> 22:37.000 So you're questioning whether he's the first to graduate from Morehouse or you're questioning the congressional run? 113 22:37.000 --> 23:00.000 Um, no, the Morehouse, I mean, actually, well, because I mean, schools in the system in that area, were sending out, you know, recruiters back in turn of century. And so not that many people in that, but you know, a handful. But I'm just thinking that that might, it might be easier to trace the congressional part than it would be right 114 23:00.000 --> 23:13.000 Then to, to check on that. I didn't, I wasn't suspicious of the, the Morehouse bank. I was, I was confused about the congressional part though. Um, well, I can easily not mention anything first. 115 23:13.000 --> 23:16.000 I wonder if the alumni association could, 116 23:16.000 --> 23:19.000 Could adjust that. Yeah. Okay. Morehouse. 117 23:19.000 --> 23:24.000 Well, wait. They be, they, we won't be checking if, if he was the first 118 23:24.000 --> 23:25.000 From his 119 23:25.000 --> 23:37.000 County to graduate from Morehouse. Morehouse. Not without, he's the first person from college county to graduate from college. Yes. To just graduate from Morehouse. From Morehouse. Yeah. That's what he said, right? Mm-hmm. . That's 120 23:37.000 --> 23:41.000 Possible. First calls be is county see different. Yeah. 121 23:41.000 --> 23:41.000 There's 122 23:41.000 --> 23:44.000 A difference. Yeah. And that's, 123 23:44.000 --> 23:45.000 That's what your question. And you don't agree with 124 23:45.000 --> 24:02.000 That? Yeah, I don't agree with that. I would've to see, I would to see much more evidence because, and just simply because of how, you know, how energetic people were in, in recruiting from rural counties out of the Atlanta system, even though not that many. Uh, 125 24:02.000 --> 24:09.000 See, and that, I don't know how you could confirm either, because there's movement people leave people going to schools outside of the state. 126 24:09.000 --> 24:16.000 I I don't, it's not important. I don't think either. I mean, it would be, I think it might, it'd be more important if it was the first Black to run for Congress. 127 24:16.000 --> 24:18.000 Yeah. That I'm interested in. 128 24:18.000 --> 24:25.000 I think the other is not, I don't think the other's important. 'cause I probably agree with highly unlikely. 129 24:25.000 --> 24:28.000 I think that's his perception of himself is important. 130 24:28.000 --> 24:31.000 Well, that could be, I think 131 24:31.000 --> 24:47.000 Maybe you should just say one of the first Blacks and leave it at that. Yeah. Put like this. He must be getting this degree sometime in the late forties. Right. That's a, a harsh statement. Um, all kinds, all kinds of levels about the people that live 132 24:47.000 --> 24:51.000 In that community. About 20 different levels. simultaneously. , you know, 133 24:51.000 --> 25:09.000 I mean talk all kinds of things from aspiration, mobility to economics. Exactly. In the question. All kinds of things. So, dangerous remarks. Well, yeah. Okay. That's, yeah. Thank you. 134 25:09.000 --> 25:11.000 Um, 135 25:11.000 --> 25:20.000 I'll just say he's in Morehouse graduate and I'll find out the date he finished. 'cause that gets complicated by the fact that he goes to war. And I don't know if he actually is able to, um, 136 25:20.000 --> 25:32.000 Graduate. See, I wouldn't be surprised if, if the progressive party in 1948 ran a Black candidate for Congress and they didn't work from South Carolina. So, um, 137 25:32.000 --> 25:35.000 That party doesn't count. That part doesn't count in American history. That's 138 25:35.000 --> 25:40.000 Right. As we see as you, um, 139 25:40.000 --> 25:42.000 Oh, I think I should be in there. But 140 25:42.000 --> 25:47.000 Henry Wallace went wrong. 141 25:47.000 --> 25:56.000 I mean, we'll have to that we had a party. Okay. 142 25:56.000 --> 26:05.000 It's, it's a, I mean, what I mean, think of a Jim Crow story. This is it right here. 143 26:05.000 --> 26:55.000 . Right. And it's a very long-winded story. I was trying to use this or, because there's a point, like 20 something pages in where he comes, as you can see, he'll start the story then he'll of course get sidetracked and then come back and bring you right back to, um, he's packing up his clothes and the pillowcases. Um, and he's getting ready to leave. And the experience of seeing this, uh, individual bypasses. So I was wondering how much maybe I could delete or whether or not I could leave it the way it was. I, I left this really long 'cause I like the historical density. I, I, I think we were talking about these questions about salary issues and, and I was interested in the way that he was very, uh, explicit about what people could get. Kids were getting not too much less than adults, but still less. 144 26:55.000 --> 27:26.000 Mm-hmm. Uh, I was interested in the kinds of tools that he's talking about. The fact that they're using sacs to collect the account. Mm-hmm. I think that his mother introduces him into this kind of labor. He also talks later on about, um, watching clothing, his mother and that whole experience. He's got real, he's got all kinds of interesting twists in his excerpts. So there'll be more coming the in the weeks ahead. But I did leave it long 'cause I thought he gave a lot of interesting detail that might be important to different researchers for different kinds of reasons. 145 27:26.000 --> 27:42.000 Yeah. And I, I think, I mean, I like doing something like this about with having a person who can tell a lot of different aspects of, of kind of the rural work experience rather than breaking it up and having a lot of, I mean, you get his fathers going out doing turpentine. Yeah. You know, he's doing a lot of different stuff. They, they 146 27:42.000 --> 27:43.000 Were 147 27:43.000 --> 28:00.000 Ling Yeah. You know, to try to make ends meet and, you know, partly 'cause he's getting screwed out what he is really doing this guy. But, um, you know, the stuff on school and it's just, it's it is, it is, it's rich in a lot of different ways. Um, 148 28:00.000 --> 28:46.000 And he's also good. Uh, I think one of the excerpts that I'm gonna bring in next week, I was interested in us need to talk about, um, territorial segregation and this, the trouble of the railroad junction and how that becomes the kind of racial, residential racial divide. And he does a really great job of articulating that kind of racial, you know, mapping the topography of this community. Mm-hmm. and I'll bring that in next week, where he discusses, you know, as opposed to everybody else who lived on asphalt, when we got on the other side of the tracks, all of a sudden you end up with dirt. And when industry was on this side of the track, on our side of the track, we had churches. I mean, he does a good compare and contrast in terms of what you could get access into in this communities that I think we haven't really gotten into in any of the excerpts that I've seen yet to talk about more of the topography of these rural 149 28:46.000 --> 28:48.000 Communities. 150 28:48.000 --> 28:55.000 Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. , 151 28:55.000 --> 29:10.000 The only major comment I had about this one was I was wondering if the fact that you include after the, see the last paragraph when me and my father got back to the house, um, I was wondering if maybe page, what page you last seventh. 152 29:10.000 --> 29:12.000 Okay. 153 29:12.000 --> 29:27.000 Um, I was wondering if just that paragraph should be, um, inserted chronological folder back on page four. Someplace in here that was deliberating 154 29:27.000 --> 29:34.000 Hit that. Yeah. Because there's another moment that a sequence too. 155 29:34.000 --> 29:44.000 I can really figure out if it, if it work better to have a chronological or, or keep, you know, he is revisiting 156 29:44.000 --> 29:52.000 His time. See that's the thing I couldn't, I was having a hard time weighing it to, um, 157 29:52.000 --> 30:07.000 I think it helped. I mean I think it needs to go in chronological order 'cause it really helps you prepare for this, the last story. Mm-hmm. . Um, and that's kind of an unnecessary, you know, going back. 158 30:07.000 --> 30:13.000 Um, 159 30:13.000 --> 30:44.000 Yeah. The moment that I wondered if avoid flag, the fact that the story where he goes back to, um, was it Mr. Harper was name, um, the flag, the plaques later. I mean, I didn't have trouble understanding it, but where I started to really understand it was not until we talked about new 1963 Cadillac. It Wonderful. Yeah. It's great for locating the story. I just wondered if you wanted to do a little bit more find that or not. 160 30:44.000 --> 30:46.000 I'm losing you. Oh, 161 30:46.000 --> 31:05.000 Okay. In other words, whether you might wanna insert like a one sentence note hitter on page six, um, between before the paragraph begins with, but, and I don't know if you need to, it is just the thought that I had that I was halfway into the parent or third way into the paragraph before I realized that he was talking about something much later. 162 31:05.000 --> 31:14.000 Oh, I, I, you know, okay. I thought the cues were there because he talks about he's finished college and this guy is returning. So I thought that because I don't know how much later it really 163 31:14.000 --> 31:15.000 Is. 164 31:15.000 --> 31:29.000 Yeah. It's 1936. He has to wait a little bit longer. He goes to the school. Well, 1936, the mother dies. He works four years. It puts him in 1940. He goes to the school, he gets drafted in 43. I don't know how much. Yeah, that's 165 31:29.000 --> 31:29.000 True. How 166 31:29.000 --> 31:42.000 Much longer before he actually finished and comes back. So that's why I didn't, I didn't think they needed another queue. 'cause I thought, I thought he had actually articulated a cue by saying we finished, we came back. But yeah. I'll, I'll look into what I 167 31:42.000 --> 32:18.000 Yeah, you might want a break. I mean, I, or just edit that a little bit. I I think that maybe is a cumbersome. Anyway, um, so you had this, he had, he, he moves back to the same area, right? He does. So he finishes school, he moves back, this is 30 years later, I mean, almost 30 years later when he goes to visit this guy Uhhuh , because he got, his wife's got a 63 Cadillac 63 at least. So the man old Harper's old is an old man by that point. 168 32:18.000 --> 32:23.000 Yeah. His run in with Harper, where Harper takes his, takes the money. Is that 169 32:23.000 --> 32:27.000 It's a nine, that's a 19th. It's, I'm Kathleen zero on 19 four. Right? 170 32:27.000 --> 32:29.000 Yeah. Okay. So it's 20, 171 32:29.000 --> 32:31.000 It's not specifically 1936. 172 32:31.000 --> 32:36.000 No, no. Right. 173 32:36.000 --> 32:47.000 Yeah. I I mean I understood we were later and then I got 63 catalog. Oh wait, we're much later. But I think also I lost track of how, you know, how late it was before he did to get through college because of the war. So 174 32:47.000 --> 32:55.000 Yeah. See that's what I'm gonna have to, when we contact Marsh, or I will have to find out what his date of graduation is, that will help us to chunk this a little 175 32:55.000 --> 32:59.000 Better. Yeah. 176 32:59.000 --> 33:02.000 Who, who is Sam? I mean, I don't understand. This 177 33:02.000 --> 33:05.000 Is, that was confusing to me too because they have the same name Sam 178 33:05.000 --> 33:06.000 Logs last name. 179 33:06.000 --> 33:16.000 Yeah, exactly. And I wondered if somewhere related he's a, he's a friend of his, he's just a college class. That's what says Dennis. He's a dentist who lives in Arizona and 180 33:16.000 --> 33:19.000 He's, he's really g he's a friend 181 33:19.000 --> 33:25.000 G they both call each other g I guess it's like a pet name G. Yeah. People have all kinds of names. 182 33:25.000 --> 33:27.000 That was a recent name. 183 33:27.000 --> 33:28.000 They both, 184 33:28.000 --> 33:33.000 That's a nickname. I thought that was G But I didn't realize Thomas Harvey. I promise 185 33:33.000 --> 33:37.000 Both. I think they both called, I think it's a pet name that she would say, you know, Hey, 186 33:37.000 --> 33:39.000 You, hey, 187 33:39.000 --> 33:43.000 Late. What's up? 188 33:43.000 --> 33:49.000 Gee, . 189 33:49.000 --> 34:20.000 I mean, I'd break this paragraph up too to do it. I mean, I, I don't the the story about him going to the house, uh, I would break that up in a way so that it's almost like novelistic so that you move, I mean, yeah, these, there's a scene, you know, it's like this and then there this just, it's too, I don't know how almost 'cause it's di there's a lot of, it's almost dialogue here so that you need, you know, I came, came to the front door and looked up and said yes. I said then maybe, 190 34:20.000 --> 34:23.000 So you want the, the fiction on the, the breaks the way they do dialogue. 191 34:23.000 --> 34:24.000 Yeah. That's what 192 34:24.000 --> 34:25.000 I, that's I was thinking about, but I didn't 193 34:25.000 --> 34:49.000 Know. Yeah. Yeah. I would do space. We had, it doesn't, you know, it's up to you. It's up to us. So, but I, I just think this, it works 'cause it otherwise gets a little Yeah. Looked up and said yes. Yes, Mr. Harper. This is, but, and that's a little confusing. 'cause I, you know, I keep thinking he's introducing this other guy that was, this is, I know this is, but I understand. The first time I read I got home. 194 34:49.000 --> 34:52.000 Yeah. The other guy never gets out of the car. Right. Right. He assist stay with the gun. 195 34:52.000 --> 34:53.000 Yeah. I, I didn't, 196 34:53.000 --> 34:56.000 Which is, 197 34:56.000 --> 35:04.000 I didn't have a problem with that, but I 198 35:04.000 --> 35:05.000 Back, 199 35:05.000 --> 35:07.000 Yeah, I was thinking 200 35:07.000 --> 35:09.000 Question because it really 201 35:09.000 --> 35:14.000 To think about, but this is chance in bad shape. So it's just hard even to get this much. No, 202 35:14.000 --> 35:17.000 It's great. It's fantastic. 203 35:17.000 --> 35:31.000 Amazing. No, I don't want to come in. I appreciate it. I looked at, I, I just wanted to thank you for taking my farm. What, what is that? What, do you have any idea, have you listened to the tape there? What that is? 204 35:31.000 --> 35:32.000 Take Frank, 205 35:32.000 --> 35:42.000 Uh, at the end of that page, Mr. Harper. The reason I came out here, I just wanted to thank you for taking my farm parenthesis so hard. 206 35:42.000 --> 35:50.000 That was the, that was my even best hearing of it. To get it that much out of it. There was nothing else you could, you couldn't hear anything else. 207 35:50.000 --> 35:59.000 So what do you think? I mean, that's not what it says. What does you think it, what do you think you'd say? The reason I came out? I just wanted to thank you for taking 208 35:59.000 --> 36:00.000 That is what he said. 209 36:00.000 --> 36:03.000 Yeah. I think he grabbed his body so hard that he Yeah. You 210 36:03.000 --> 36:06.000 Worked me, you worked me so hard. 211 36:06.000 --> 36:06.000 Yeah. 212 36:06.000 --> 36:08.000 Um, amen. That is what, that is what it 213 36:08.000 --> 36:11.000 Sounds like. How many words do you think are missing in the purposes while 214 36:11.000 --> 36:23.000 You I have to listen again, my speculation. 'cause I mean I was cutting it close. I'm like the, the first transcriber. I mean, there was so much of this missing. It was, it was crazy. I don't think I'm really missing too much. There. 215 36:23.000 --> 36:23.000 Just a couple words. 216 36:23.000 --> 36:27.000 Yeah. And knowing the way he talks, I don't think that's far from how he 217 36:27.000 --> 36:31.000 Said it. Yeah. That, that doesn't bother me out. It seems. 218 36:31.000 --> 36:34.000 See it's characteristic of his, of his speaking manner. 219 36:34.000 --> 36:42.000 Would it be good just to thank him for taking my farm period ellipsis or something got so hard that, or I mean, I'm just wondering 220 36:42.000 --> 36:45.000 How that , but he didn't take his farm. 221 36:45.000 --> 36:47.000 Oh, you're right. He didn't take his land because 222 36:47.000 --> 36:50.000 No, he just didn't pay him to the right for Well, 223 36:50.000 --> 37:02.000 You could, you could speculate with the in a, in in a bracket. Right. A speculative insertion for me would be for taking my farm labor work crops. I mean, you know, so hard. I 224 37:02.000 --> 37:23.000 Don't know. How about the reason I'm out here. I just wanted to say thank you because if you had to taken all my hat, I probably would've stay out here. In other words, cutting of the substantial chunk. I mean half a sense there just to, just to avoid the mm-hmm. . I don't know. It might be too much, but thank you. Because if you hadn't taken Right. 225 37:23.000 --> 37:27.000 I'd like to take an opportunity to actually, to try to listen to this and see if we can 226 37:27.000 --> 37:34.000 Yeah, I'll try. But I, I, I for each line that's missing a thing. I listen to it about five times. 227 37:34.000 --> 37:35.000 I know. 228 37:35.000 --> 37:39.000 And it's rough. But yeah. We have some better, I don't know if we have better, 229 37:39.000 --> 37:40.000 We're using 230 37:40.000 --> 37:43.000 Yeah. Maybe we can have, well we have those data machines now. I just don't 231 37:43.000 --> 37:45.000 Yeah. Something else to enhance the 232 37:45.000 --> 37:48.000 Sound. The D machines we had the center that we were. 233 37:48.000 --> 37:58.000 Yeah. Alana has the D machines up in the office and Invis, there are five or six of them. Jewelry, you know, they, they're back from the field. So Uhhuh 234 37:58.000 --> 38:00.000 Because if we have so many to enhance 235 38:00.000 --> 38:04.000 To digitally to remaster, we might be able to pick that up. Mm-hmm. 236 38:04.000 --> 38:17.000 And in fact, she might even be able to put it on that radio, um, editing unit and pick up some more sound if you, you could ask her. She could help do that. But I do think that Jennifer, your suggestion would, 237 38:17.000 --> 38:19.000 Would work. It works. Yeah. 238 38:19.000 --> 38:35.000 I think, I just think there might be something in there. I mean, I actually like that phrase, taking my farm something in. There's so hard. Yeah, me too. Um, uh, I, I think there's something in there. I think it, he does have a distinctive way of, of saying or saying these 239 38:35.000 --> 38:36.000 You 240 38:36.000 --> 38:36.000 Or relating 241 38:36.000 --> 38:39.000 His stories. I know. I'm scared that he would never just stop with, thank you 242 38:39.000 --> 39:02.000 . . There's gotta be something. He's long-winded. Expletives to . What about the one I said better brief? Can't hear, 243 39:02.000 --> 39:02.000 Have no idea 244 39:02.000 --> 39:03.000 How. 245 39:03.000 --> 39:05.000 It'd be great to know 246 39:05.000 --> 39:06.000 That's what the, 247 39:06.000 --> 39:12.000 That needs to be. That needs to be. But 248 39:12.000 --> 39:16.000 I wonder if one of us should learn how to, you know, become more comfortable, better 249 39:16.000 --> 39:17.000 Equipment so that we don't have to keep 250 39:17.000 --> 39:23.000 Cutting. I'll definitely, because I dunno if I'm just introduce myself to her. I'll ask her for help with that. 251 39:23.000 --> 39:26.000 I live, yeah. The library took one of that was 252 39:26.000 --> 39:28.000 A strange thing. I to the library 253 39:28.000 --> 39:30.000 Took one of her interviews and had a tremendous amount of 254 39:30.000 --> 39:31.000 To me. But that's exactly, 255 39:31.000 --> 39:32.000 And they 256 39:32.000 --> 39:35.000 Remastered it ly and they 257 39:35.000 --> 39:36.000 Usually exhibit 258 39:36.000 --> 39:36.000 Was a 259 39:36.000 --> 39:37.000 Big moment. 260 39:37.000 --> 39:44.000 I was like, it was amazing. I'm assuming something with massive columns and 261 39:44.000 --> 39:47.000 I won't you to come visit. 262 39:47.000 --> 39:50.000 No, I don't think that's, I don't think that's gonna really pan 263 39:50.000 --> 39:51.000 Out. Oh, I do. 264 39:51.000 --> 39:54.000 Really? Arty was saying that he just didn't seem 265 39:54.000 --> 39:55.000 Who 266 39:55.000 --> 39:56.000 Arty. 267 39:56.000 --> 39:57.000 Why did do, why did he 268 39:57.000 --> 39:57.000 Sign him? 269 39:57.000 --> 40:00.000 Well, he just didn't, he said he just didn't seem 270 40:00.000 --> 40:03.000 Oh, I think it would happen. That's why we have the money Uhhuh 271 40:03.000 --> 40:16.000 It would happen just somewhere else. But I'll, I though it tied into all this network radio document to do the conference and everything. I can't see what 272 40:16.000 --> 40:17.000 Mm-hmm. 273 40:17.000 --> 40:23.000 The schedule would change much. 274 40:23.000 --> 40:29.000 Okay. 275 40:29.000 --> 41:16.000 Um, for the Marie, um, listen to the suggestions. I think last week there was a kind of a call for a little bit more on her. It's also construct a little bit more back than the header that could suggest the ways in, um, I was reading it. You also understood these excerpts to, to be speaking to her later political activism and the ways in which, um, the interracial, interracial racism she experienced growing up affected the kinds of political activism that she was engaged in. Um, and the ways in which she later interacts with people. I did include as new this time, this, um, 276 41:16.000 --> 42:25.000 I felt like I wasn't talking at all about the kinds of little factors and she, so I wasn't sure if I should introduce something small and discreet. So I wanted to talk about the fact that she, I think it's a page down, um, word. I'm not right. The fact that she's, um, definitely affected the, the local political life. She was interested in helping people who, who were willing to participate in the political processing in her community, um, acquire political positions. So I tried to address that on page 13 briefly. And then maybe she's also involved with just one of Jesse Jackson's numerous presidential campaigns. Um, but there's a lot in there. She's a person who's, um, deeply involved in police activity and tends people, one the sheriff comes to when someone is getting arrested and they want her to identify their credibility. Did this person do it or not? Which is always curious to me because it doesn't seem to matter whether or not she witnessed the event. They just want to know whether she should, could vouch for the character. If Ms. Port could vouch for a person's character. They were released right there. Yeah. 277 42:25.000 --> 42:47.000 This is how the Jim Crow justice system worked. I mean, she's, she's exceptional in the same way that, um, Dr. Patton in Birmingham is accepted as a person who can vouch for Black voter registrants. Uh, but up to this point, yeah. I mean this is how, this is how it works. Can you, do you have somebody vouch for you? , 278 42:47.000 --> 42:48.000 Right? 279 42:48.000 --> 42:55.000 Does she mark a point in her life when she changes her, her self perception of herself? 280 42:55.000 --> 42:56.000 12. 281 42:56.000 --> 42:56.000 12? 282 42:56.000 --> 43:10.000 And she doesn't identify necessarily why 12, but she says, I remember there's one sense of the person, the interview wraps her. So when you feel like, you know, no one outright ever says, well, you clearly hated yourself. Right, 283 43:10.000 --> 43:10.000 Right. 284 43:10.000 --> 43:53.000 the interview, the past interview was very, uh, craft or sophisticated in her asking that something to the effect, well, when did you feel, um, 'cause she must've made a remark that she became more involved in the community and being interested in Black rights or something. And person said, well, when did your attitude kind of change? Or when did you feel whatever? And she says, 12. And then she goes off into something else. 'cause I wanted to know why that becomes a benchmark, um, moment for her. And I think that might've been the moment when she segues into the story about Aunt Jane. Mm. Because Aunt Jane represents a different kind of anecdote. The other ones are always about self abnegation. And this is a moment where she feels redeemed in Blackness. Right. So 285 43:53.000 --> 44:08.000 Yeah, I just felt, I just, something about her is just lacking to me for the fact that you see later on that she is so involved politically, but you don't see really the beginning of that. What's the genesis of that? 286 44:08.000 --> 44:50.000 She doesn't, it's a such a short, unfortunately it's a short interview. I wish it was she somebody wish they had stayed me for like a week. Because there's a, and I also get the sense part of what happens too, she gets interrupt a lot by other people in the household coming in. Like, you have to catch yourself because you think she's talking to the interview and you realize as you're reading, she must be talking to her daughter who's talking her ice cream. But the way she's speaking, you think she's, you know, making a comment on something else. So she gets interrupted and loses critical trains of thought and interviewer doesn't, you know, also gets lost too. Doesn't make a note to carry her back to the earlier training. So there are things that definitely get lost. Um, and it is unfortunate 'cause she doesn't really talk about it. 287 44:50.000 --> 45:37.000 You know, she'll talk about her, um, activity with the polls as if it was just happenstance. I had been walking, there's some guidance, some papers. And so I took one, I read it. I said, okay, you have any more? And I just stood there and started distributing her. Yeah. And that's exactly how she describes getting involved with things In terms of the Polio Foundation. With the Polio Foundation. It was like she was getting to these seem like Black a steady campaigns. Because part of what she would do is try to make advertisements, pictures of Black children these illnesses, unlike traditional kinds of representations of the disease. She planned some big batch show. I mean, she was always trying to some her other cultivate a kind of Black aesthetic in her political activism. Mm-hmm. . But a lot of it unfortunately is left. 288 45:37.000 --> 45:44.000 How long is this? No, I'm, I'm just looking, am I missing something here? Oh, out of the Marie for, yeah. 289 45:44.000 --> 45:51.000 What do you have? Um, it is seven. I'm running on a bus.