- This is one of those things that you have to keep yourself in check because you can become a real, you know, bore at dinner parties, I'm sure, lecturing about these issues. But I want to pull my hair out when people say, they think, Oh, didn't, you know, didn't Guantanamo close.. And I appreciate if you're not in the news business you're not keeping up on every twist, but it's a pretty big issue. And, you know, one of the unique things that I'm really lucky to have been able to do with, with the beat because it's a foreign beat. So while I'm based in Toronto, I get to go all over the world. One of the things I have seen as is Guantanamo's power around the world and definitely in Yemen, that was, I did some work there back in 2009. So this was before there was a ban to return Yemeni detainees that the Obama administration put in place and Guantanamo, the symbol was huge there. And so I was looking at the issue of, well, what do you do with these detainees that the Pentagon says are too dangerous to be released? And what I found was for every detainee who hadn't been released, there was their immediate family, then there was the extended family, then there was the tribe, then there was the town. All these people who are enraged about the detention that I thought any debate you have about returning these detainees, you've have to include that. That Guantanamo the symbol has this amazing ripple effect that might be more damaging, you know, years to come than the release of somebody who potentially is dangerous, could be monitored. And, and that's often a debate or a point that is dismissed but it's a re..., I've really seen that on the ground. It's a, it's a really powerful symbol.