- Talking to detainees, I was not there as an interrogator. I am not an interrogator. I was not trained as an interrogator but I wanted to talk to detainees at random, to know how they became Jihadist, especially younger people. I would ask, for instance, one kid, I said, "Well, did you do Jihad in high school?" He said, excuse my French, hell no. I said, so what did you do in high school? Well, he said he chased women and he drank and he went to parties. So then I said, when did you discover God? And when did you wake up a Jihadist? Well, he got out of high school. He became unemployed. He started going to the next door mosque. And two months later he found himself in Peshawar and in Afghanistan and so, recruited. And so we began to focus on the recruitment. And then I concluded that some people, many of those who were there, really should not have been there. They were caught in the drag knit net. And frankly had the United States not paid, the Pakistanis for every guy they got, most of them would not have been there. And in fact, in the beginning, when I came back and gave a high level briefing, some of our