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<v ->Talking to detainees,</v>

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I was not there as an interrogator.

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I am not an interrogator.

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I was not trained as an interrogator

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but I wanted to talk to detainees at random,

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to know how they became Jihadist,

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especially younger people.

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I would ask, for instance, one kid,

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I said, "Well, did you do Jihad in high school?"

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He said, excuse my French, hell no.

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I said, so what did you do in high school?

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Well, he said he chased women

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and he drank and he went to parties.

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So then I said, when did you discover God?

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And when did you wake up a Jihadist?

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Well, he got out of high school.

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He became unemployed.

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He started going to the next door mosque.

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And two months later he found himself

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in Peshawar and in Afghanistan

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and so,

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recruited.

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And so we began to focus on the recruitment.

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And then I concluded that some people,

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many of those who were there,

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really should not have been there.

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They were caught in the drag knit net.

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And frankly had the United States not paid,

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the Pakistanis for every guy they got,

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most of them would not have been there.

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And in fact, in the beginning,

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when I came back

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and gave a high level briefing,

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some of our