WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.948 --> 00:00:03.680 (pencil scratches) 2 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:08.680 Bush, Cheney, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, 3 00:00:09.314 --> 00:00:12.920 Rumsfeld, and countless others. 4 00:00:12.920 --> 00:00:16.700 Oh, well, most recently, this guy Rodriguez from the CIA, 5 00:00:16.700 --> 00:00:20.070 and Tenet, from the CIA, have all written books talking 6 00:00:20.070 --> 00:00:22.730 about my client's torture. 7 00:00:22.730 --> 00:00:24.820 They all admitted that he's been waterboarded. 8 00:00:24.820 --> 00:00:28.400 Hayden admitted it, admitted that they 9 00:00:28.400 --> 00:00:30.440 destroyed 90 videotapes. 10 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:32.460 Everybody has conceded it was legal. 11 00:00:32.460 --> 00:00:35.310 We've got these memoranda right here from John Yoo. 12 00:00:35.310 --> 00:00:37.073 We know all this information. 13 00:00:38.220 --> 00:00:43.080 Can my client, through me, tell people 14 00:00:43.080 --> 00:00:44.950 what it was like to be waterboarded? 15 00:00:44.950 --> 00:00:47.300 Well, what his, what the other enhanced 16 00:00:47.300 --> 00:00:48.820 interrogation techniques were like? 17 00:00:48.820 --> 00:00:50.480 Nah. 18 00:00:50.480 --> 00:00:52.070 And why is that? 19 00:00:52.070 --> 00:00:55.700 Well, because everything that he says is presumably 20 00:00:55.700 --> 00:00:57.870 classified at the top secret level. 21 00:00:57.870 --> 00:00:58.780 It's ridiculous. 22 00:00:58.780 --> 00:01:01.080 Under Obama, it's become much more difficult to 23 00:01:01.080 --> 00:01:03.090 get any information out. 24 00:01:03.090 --> 00:01:06.340 If I've signed a dec-- get my client to sign a declaration, 25 00:01:06.340 --> 00:01:07.173 they won't clear it. 26 00:01:07.173 --> 00:01:09.700 They're telling me now that I have to tell them 27 00:01:09.700 --> 00:01:12.200 the reason why I want to use the declaration. 28 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:14.790 But I couldn't do that, even if I wanted to, 29 00:01:14.790 --> 00:01:19.790 because to divulge my thoughts and strategies 30 00:01:20.710 --> 00:01:24.870 would be to violate the work product doctrine. 31 00:01:24.870 --> 00:01:27.050 And I can't give up my work product. 32 00:01:27.050 --> 00:01:28.820 I mean, that's not something I'm going to do. 33 00:01:28.820 --> 00:01:31.635 And I'm certainly not going to tell my opponents 34 00:01:31.635 --> 00:01:35.240 the very line attorneys who are handling the case 35 00:01:35.240 --> 00:01:38.650 against Abu Zubaydah, and let them make the determination 36 00:01:38.650 --> 00:01:41.250 as to whether it's a good use or not, that's ridiculous! 37 00:01:41.250 --> 00:01:44.810 I mean, but this is what, this is where the law has gone 38 00:01:44.810 --> 00:01:46.290 with regard to these detainees. 39 00:01:46.290 --> 00:01:47.800 There is no law. 40 00:01:47.800 --> 00:01:49.300 They can get away with it, 41 00:01:49.300 --> 00:01:52.100 and they know they can get away with it. 42 00:01:52.100 --> 00:01:55.040 And unless and until we can get some judges 43 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:57.800 who really have got some balls 44 00:01:59.087 --> 00:02:03.317 to step in and say "I don't care whether the 45 00:02:03.317 --> 00:02:06.168 "DC circuit reverses me, this is wrong, 46 00:02:06.168 --> 00:02:07.957 "and this is my decision, 47 00:02:07.957 --> 00:02:10.107 "and I'm ordering this guy released."