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<v ->I began to see just how much the people who are</v>

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in prison down there had been dehumanized,

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before I had even met them.

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And I immediately made the connection at that point in time

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with how that happens to recruits

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coming into the Navy as well.

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And so,

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I think even before it became something conscious,

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I had started acting in a different way,

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almost in a sense trying to redeem myself,

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for the the level that I had stooped to.

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Not in any specific action,

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but in my mindset, while I had been down in GTMO.

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I began to see that, you know what, thinking that,

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this detainee has a life 'cause he can get medications 24-7,

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is really missing the picture

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when he's been locked up for years without any trial

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or charges or anything else being brought against him.

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Yeah, that (laughs), those types of insights

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started sinking in.

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And, I mean, the last thing for me

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was accepting the fact that I was ultimately, you know,

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personally responsible for not having questioned things

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while I was down there.

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And that was kind of the last step of the process for me.

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And that was even after

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I had come to the conclusion that, in my mind,

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war can't be morally justified.

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The last piece of the puzzle

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was where it got really personal.

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And I had to admit that, you know,

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I personally bore responsibility for having helped to

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perpetrate what I view as rights violations.