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- When I was working with Human Rights Watch, I was doing research on human rights violations in the aftermath of the suicide bombings that happened in Casa Blanca in, in, in May of 2002. There were serious crackdowns on, on Islamists, in particular. There were people who were rounded up secretly detained, tortured, and abused. And my research at Human Rights Watch specifically looked at how the Moroccan authorities reacted to the Casa Blanca bombing. And my purpose was to show how they fail to meet their international human rights obligations. And I remember when we concluded our investigation and had a meeting with the human rights minister, the Moroccan human rights minister, and we conveyed our, our concerns, one of the things that he reacted to us, he said, well, you are coming to me from, from The United States. You are an American based organization, Human Rights Watch. This, what we are doing here, it's part of what happened after 9/11. Just like Guantanamo, he said something like, it's all like one package. It's like the whole package is like, you know this is a whole game that we were part of it. So, and I remember that we had to later on, go back as Human Rights Watch researcher and collect all these responses from different government officials around the world that use Guantanamo as a way to justify their own abuses to, to use it as a way to advocate for ending one Guantanamo abuses, ending the regime of Guantanamo. Sure, look, Guantanamo really created a new dangerous reality that all other countries will now say this is a fair game, to violate human rights, because we have a national security crisis.